[Trac] What is a unique tag?
Hello I asked this a while back, but no one seemed to have any information to add. So I will ask again. I have installed the TagsPlugin. Specifically, I have been looking at the TagCloud macro. The macro does indeed make the usual tag cloud. However, it seems to miss a couple of important distinctions: 1) Punctuation is included in tags: so, these are considered different tags: here here; here, here: You get the idea. Obviously these are the same tag. 2) Simple words, like 'the, 'it', 'if' and the like are included in the cloud. I guess one could make the argument that all valid words are potential tags. But I really do not think anyone is interested in the strength of occurrence of such words. Have I missed some obvious setting. I do not see anything on the TagsPlugin web page that addresses this. Anyone else using the TagCloud? -- Roger Oberholtzer --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Coupling trac and symfony framework
Hi! I'd like to integrate trac into a greater web project. Of course I could just present trac in a frame. But I would like to integrate trac much tighter into the webpage. Is it possible, or better, what would be the best way to use trac in the background and get the data for a new ticket from the user by a custom form maybe even using ajax enhanced forms, and pass that data to trac. And on the other side ask for example for all open tickets and present the user than a custom list with the result from trac. The cause is that I don't want just present trac to the user and let him find out how to use trac after he just learned how to use my page which has a complete different look and feel. I think the page would be using the symfony php framework or maybe I will even have an app server with Java in the background. I've tried to find a plugin which builds me an interface to trac. I found the XML-RPC Plugin but I'm not shure that it's what I'm looking for. Thx for your help bye --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Custom tickets manipulation
Hi everyone, I want Trac to manage different kinds of tickets with specific rules. At first I need to create a special kind (type) of ticket called Feature. A feature ticket should have a different set of fields and permissions (FEATURE_VIEW, FEATURE_CREATE, etc) if compared to a normal defect ticket. If possible I want it to be accessed throgh a different tipe of link macro (FT#10 http://# instead of #10 http://#) Thanks in advance. Daniel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: How to change the default sorting of the Available Reports page.
I'm afraid you will have to update, then. 0.11.1 is pretty old, and no doubt the issue you are seeing has been fixed in a later version. -- Remy OK, I will update and report the results of that. (This will take some time, I have to request an update, can't do it myself.) Andre Steenveld sr. The update to 0.11.5 did solve my problem. Thanks again. -- Andre Steenveld sr. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] trac commercial support for tunning, on proprietary?
Hi, No rapid link on the web site to buy support http://www.edgewall.org/ ? We are looking for dedicated support, on our private trac instance. The goal is to tune trac / DB in order to have insanely fast performance. I work on trac all the day and buying a new dedicated web server for trac, seem not to fix our poor performance problem. Commercial offer are welcome. Regards, Sylvain. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: What is a unique tag?
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Roger Oberholtzer roger.oberholt...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I asked this a while back, but no one seemed to have any information to add. So I will ask again. 2) Simple words, like 'the, 'it', 'if' and the like are included in the cloud. I guess one could make the argument that all valid words are potential tags. But I really do not think anyone is interested in the strength of occurrence of such words. Seems to be related with the fact that whitespaces are not allowed in keywords, so they get splitted ... Have I missed some obvious setting. I do not see anything on the TagsPlugin web page that addresses this. ... IMO not a TagsPlugin issue ... -- Regards, Olemis. Blog ES: http://simelo-es.blogspot.com/ Blog EN: http://simelo-en.blogspot.com/ Featured article: Introducción a la API de Google Analytics - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/simelo-es/~3/iRzT5_lZg4c/introduccion-la-api-de-google-analytics.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Coupling trac and symfony framework
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:10 PM, weisswurst weisswur...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi! I'd like to integrate trac into a greater web project. Of course I could just present trac in a frame. But I would like to integrate trac much tighter into the webpage. Is it possible, or better, what would be the best way to use trac in the background and get the data for a new ticket from the user by a custom form maybe even using ajax enhanced forms, and pass that data to trac. Perhaps using ( JSON | XML ) RPC ? jQuery has a plugin for that . And on the other side ask for example for all open tickets and present the user than a custom list with the result from trac. TracGViz [1]_ plugin offers an RPC handler to access data about Trac reports ... so similar answer ;o) I think the page would be using the symfony php framework or maybe I will even have an app server with Java in the background. About look feel , you couls also try to customize Trac interface by writing a custom theme (ThemeEngine plugin AFAICR), and thus you wont need to reinvent the wheel (... unless you really want to reinvent the wheel ;o) I've tried to find a plugin which builds me an interface to trac. I found the XML-RPC Plugin but I'm not shure that it's what I'm looking for. ahhh ! you already knew ! :P .. [1] TracGViz home (https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/swlcu/wiki/En/Devel/TracGViz) .. [2] TracGViz download (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/TracGViz) -- Regards, Olemis. Blog ES: http://simelo-es.blogspot.com/ Blog EN: http://simelo-en.blogspot.com/ Featured article: Lo que es seguro es que Windows no es seguro - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/simelo-es/~3/8oe4xFzOvRo/lo-que-es-seguro-es-que-windows-no-es.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: What is a unique tag?
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Roger Oberholtzer roger.oberholt...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 07:47 -0500, Olemis Lang wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Roger Oberholtzer roger.oberholt...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I asked this a while back, but no one seemed to have any information to add. So I will ask again. 2) Simple words, like 'the, 'it', 'if' and the like are included in the cloud. I guess one could make the argument that all valid words are potential tags. But I really do not think anyone is interested in the strength of occurrence of such words. Seems to be related with the fact that whitespaces are not allowed in keywords, so they get splitted ... Firstly I experience the same issues . Um, are punctuation white space? No but if you specify `the it is in the here; but is it, here, the is in the it; here` Then Trac splits that text (by discarding whitespaces ;o) and takes the individual words as keywords; so you'll get back `here;` and `it;` and, and ... If they were, No, so I dont follow this ;o) Where do the tags that the TagsPlugin uses (especially for the TagCloud) come from? Some people say that some aliens have introduced them inside eggs so that they be born at the right time thus ensuring their total domination of Trac-land ... ... but I've discovered (Nobel-prize is on the way ;o) that tags are contributed by extensions, and in the specific case of Wiki pages and tickets, they are exactly the keywords . So, if keywords are splitted and parsed just like I mentionned before then the same results will be propagated to the labels of the different tags. Have I missed some obvious setting. I do not see anything on the TagsPlugin web page that addresses this. ... IMO not a TagsPlugin issue ... OK. Where might the problem be? IMO ... keywords parser in Trac core -- Regards, Olemis. Blog ES: http://simelo-es.blogspot.com/ Blog EN: http://simelo-en.blogspot.com/ Featured article: Lo que es seguro es que Windows no es seguro - http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/simelo-es/~3/8oe4xFzOvRo/lo-que-es-seguro-es-que-windows-no-es.html --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: What is a unique tag?
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 10:25 -0500, Olemis Lang wrote:
Firstly I experience the same issues .
That is some sort of consolation. Glad to heat this, if you know what I
mean.
Um, are punctuation white space?
No but if you specify `the it is in the here; but is it, here, the
is in the it; here`
Then Trac splits that text (by discarding whitespaces ;o) and takes
the individual words as keywords; so you'll get back `here;` and `it;`
and, and ...
If they were,
No, so I dont follow this ;o)
For the purpose of tags, whitespace should be extended (surely not a
complete list) to include ':;.,()[]{}!?
I know of no words that contain these characters. Sentences and phrases,
yes. Words, no. And tags refer to words, not sentences or phrases.
Since whitespace are the points at which items are split, and whitespace
is discarded:
here here;
would both evaluate to the tag:
here
I am guessing some of my whitespace list is already used for the purpose
of tags. Like the period and the comma. Or so it seems.
Where do the tags that the TagsPlugin uses (especially for the TagCloud)
come from?
Some people say that some aliens have introduced them inside eggs so
that they be born at the right time thus ensuring their total
domination of Trac-land ...
... but I've discovered (Nobel-prize is on the way ;o) that tags are
contributed by extensions, and in the specific case of Wiki pages and
tickets, they are exactly the keywords . So, if keywords are splitted
and parsed just like I mentionned before then the same results will be
propagated to the labels of the different tags.
Have I missed some obvious setting. I do not see anything on the
TagsPlugin web page that addresses this.
... IMO not a TagsPlugin issue ...
OK. Where might the problem be?
IMO ... keywords parser in Trac core
OK. So I guess the current behavior is integral to Trac's sanity and
functionality, and thus cannot be changed without destroying life as we
now know it. Too bad. A tag cloud would have been a nice thing.
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[Trac] Re: What is a unique tag?
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 07:47 -0500, Olemis Lang wrote: On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Roger Oberholtzer roger.oberholt...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I asked this a while back, but no one seemed to have any information to add. So I will ask again. 2) Simple words, like 'the, 'it', 'if' and the like are included in the cloud. I guess one could make the argument that all valid words are potential tags. But I really do not think anyone is interested in the strength of occurrence of such words. Seems to be related with the fact that whitespaces are not allowed in keywords, so they get splitted ... Um, are punctuation white space? If they were, then this would not be a problem. To me, it looks like punctuation is not white space, and so is made part of the word.̈́ I truly cannot see how that would ever work with tags. Or, more specifically, with anything that generates tags automatically. Where do the tags that the TagsPlugin uses (especially for the TagCloud) come from? Have I missed some obvious setting. I do not see anything on the TagsPlugin web page that addresses this. ... IMO not a TagsPlugin issue ... OK. Where might the problem be? -- Roger Oberholtzer --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: What is a unique tag?
On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
For the purpose of tags, whitespace should be extended (surely not a
complete list) to include ':;.,()[]{}!?
I know of no words that contain these characters. Sentences and
phrases,
yes. Words, no. And tags refer to words, not sentences or phrases.
Perhaps, but where have you configured TagsPlugin to get its tags
from? By default, tags come from the ticket's keywords field;
assuming you've left it at the default, the question is why are you
putting punctuation in the keywords field if you don't want them in
the tags. If you're not using the default setting, the question is if
the field you're getting the tags from is really the right place.
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[Trac] Re: What is a unique tag?
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:26 PM, David Huang k...@azeotrope.org wrote:
On Sep 14, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
For the purpose of tags, whitespace should be extended (surely not a
complete list) to include ':;.,()[]{}!?
I know of no words that contain these characters. Sentences and
phrases,
yes. Words, no. And tags refer to words, not sentences or phrases.
Perhaps, but where have you configured TagsPlugin to get its tags
from? By default, tags come from the ticket's keywords field;
assuming you've left it at the default, the question is why are you
putting punctuation in the keywords field if you don't want them in
the tags.
Well basicly because people expects tags containing whitespace and
delimited by punctuation marks (e.g. like Blogger ;o)
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[Trac] Re: Custom tickets manipulation
On Sep 12, 9:31 am, Daniel Camargo danielsu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I want Trac to manage different kinds of tickets with specific rules. At first I need to create a special kind (type) of ticket called Feature. A feature ticket should have a different set of fields and permissions (FEATURE_VIEW, FEATURE_CREATE, etc) if compared to a normal defect ticket. If possible I want it to be accessed throgh a different tipe of link macro (FT#10 http://# instead of #10 http://#) Thanks in advance. Daniel I think you could do most of what you want fairly easily with a combination of TypedTicketWorkflow, custom permissions, and probably Master Tickets plugin. Combined with trac's current worflfow/ permission configuration features. the exception being the custom link type. What we do here, we use feature tickets with Master tickets and the TypedTicketWorkflow plugin. All our feature tickets happen to begin with Feature Ticket - for the summary which makes it a bit easier (when you mouse-over #12345 link, you see Feature ticket) and provides the inten of your special link type for our purposes. We don't use custom tickets, I required TICKET_ADMIN to do specific workflow steps to Feature Ticket type tickets, using the TypedTicketWorkflow capablilites. We add all sub tickets of a feature as blocking with master tickets. I personally also choose to give each feature ticket a milestone, so I can use the progressmetermacro right in the ticket description, and also do some roadmap level stuff, but that is a bit retentive. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: What is a unique tag?
On Sep 14, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Olemis Lang wrote: Well basicly because people expects tags containing whitespace and delimited by punctuation marks (e.g. like Blogger ;o) Yes, but it doesn't seem like a huge deal to tell people to just use spaces. But I agree that filtering out punctuation would be nice... However, one of the other complaints was that the tag cloud included common words like the, it, and if, which makes it sound like he's set a general description field (one that contains full sentences) as a tag source—which doesn't sound right to me. At least from my understanding, tags should be explicitly set by someone. If you don't want the as a tag, don't include it in the tag list :) -- Name: Dave Huang | Mammal, mammal / their names are called / INet: k...@azeotrope.org | they raise a paw / the bat, the cat / FurryMUCK: Dahan | dolphin and dog / koala bear and hog -- TMBG Dahan: Hani G Y+C 33 Y++ L+++ W- C++ T++ A+ E+ S++ V++ F- Q+++ P+ B+ PA + PL++ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Custom tickets manipulation
On Sep 14, 1:25 pm, yoheeb yoh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 12, 9:31 am, Daniel Camargo danielsu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I want Trac to manage different kinds of tickets with specific rules. At first I need to create a special kind (type) of ticket called Feature. A feature ticket should have a different set of fields and permissions (FEATURE_VIEW, FEATURE_CREATE, etc) if compared to a normal defect ticket. If possible I want it to be accessed throgh a different tipe of link macro (FT#10 http://# instead of #10 http://#) Thanks in advance. Daniel I think you could do most of what you want fairly easily with a combination of TypedTicketWorkflow, custom permissions, and probably MasterTicketsPlugin. Combined with trac's current worKfLow/ permission configuration features. the exception being the custom link type. What we do here, we use feature tickets with Master tickets and the TypedTicketWorkflow plugin. All our feature tickets happen to begin with Feature Ticket - for the summary which makes it a bit easier (when you mouse-over #12345 link, you see Feature ticket) and provides the intenT of your special link type for our purposes. We don't use custom PERMISSIONS, I required TICKET_ADMIN to do specific workflow steps to Feature Ticket type tickets, using the TypedTicketWorkflow capabilities. We add all sub tickets of a feature as blocking with master tickets. I personally also choose to give each feature ticket a milestone, so I can use the progressmetermacro right in the ticket description, and also do some roadmap level stuff, but that is a bit retentive. wow, my typing was horrible there, sorry for those of you still getting the typo's out of your burning eyes... some corrections in- lined above! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[Trac] Re: Custom tickets manipulation
That was a nice idea yoheeb, I will take a look at those plugins you suggested. I find a way to do what I want but it'll require a lot of coding. I think your suggestion will be enought for now. Thank you! 2009/9/14 yoheeb yoh...@gmail.com On Sep 14, 1:25 pm, yoheeb yoh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 12, 9:31 am, Daniel Camargo danielsu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I want Trac to manage different kinds of tickets with specific rules. At first I need to create a special kind (type) of ticket called Feature. A feature ticket should have a different set of fields and permissions (FEATURE_VIEW, FEATURE_CREATE, etc) if compared to a normal defect ticket. If possible I want it to be accessed throgh a different tipe of link macro (FT#10 http://# instead of #10 http://#) Thanks in advance. Daniel I think you could do most of what you want fairly easily with a combination of TypedTicketWorkflow, custom permissions, and probably MasterTicketsPlugin. Combined with trac's current worKfLow/ permission configuration features. the exception being the custom link type. What we do here, we use feature tickets with Master tickets and the TypedTicketWorkflow plugin. All our feature tickets happen to begin with Feature Ticket - for the summary which makes it a bit easier (when you mouse-over #12345 link, you see Feature ticket) and provides the intenT of your special link type for our purposes. We don't use custom PERMISSIONS, I required TICKET_ADMIN to do specific workflow steps to Feature Ticket type tickets, using the TypedTicketWorkflow capabilities. We add all sub tickets of a feature as blocking with master tickets. I personally also choose to give each feature ticket a milestone, so I can use the progressmetermacro right in the ticket description, and also do some roadmap level stuff, but that is a bit retentive. wow, my typing was horrible there, sorry for those of you still getting the typo's out of your burning eyes... some corrections in- lined above! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Users group. To post to this group, send email to trac-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to trac-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
