Re: [translate-pootle] new to this list
On Ma, 2008-09-29 at 02:49 -0500, Steve Herrick wrote: > Hello! I'm very interested in Pootle, for both logistical and > philosophical reasons. I've gotten it running locally, though not on a > live webserver. > > I take it this list is primarily for developers, but is it OK to bring > user questions/comments here as well? Hallo Steve and welcome to the list You are free to ask questions or to make comments about Pootle features here. Although some development issues are discussed here, the translate-devel is the primary meeting grounds for developers of Pootle and other software of the Translate project. Welcome again Friedel -- Recently on my blog: http://translate.org.za/blogs/friedel/en/content/vrot-mango - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Translate-pootle mailing list Translate-pootle@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle
Re: [translate-pootle] new to this list
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 13:45 -0500, Steve Herrick wrote: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Dwayne Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Its a mixed bag of people on this list. All your questions are welcome. > > Great! Well, let me start with a doozy. Has there been any talk of > somehow tying Pootle in with any of the better-known CMSs, like Drupal > or Zope? Nope. But there are definite plans to port it to a better Python web framework. This will get you most of the benefits you are thinking of. > I know you're all working hard, including on the interface, but when I > tried to install and use Pootle locally (and thinking about installing > it remotely), I kept thinking that the parts I had a hard time with > are things that Drupal, for example, makes really easy. Let me be > more specific: > > First, I installed using apt-get. That made it incredibly easy, of > course, and even the prefs files only threw me off for a few minutes. > The problem is, I don't have root access to my web space, which means > that getting the dependencies in place will certainly be harder. Not sure how we'll ever get around this one but we can currently run as non-root. Although I haven't tested that for a while. > Second, getting files out of Pootle is very easy, but getting them > *in* is spectacularly difficult. In fact, I never did succeed at it, > despite trying for over an hour, all the while scouring multiple > sources of documentation. Half-and-half. You can upload any file into a project. The problem though is that you can't upload POT or template files. In most of our servers we want people to make direct checkins to a version control system so we need command line access. > My third issue is something you're already working on, which is > getting ODF working. I'd be happy to help test this. I got the itools > script to work, but ultimately, I'd love to see upload and conversion > be a single step. Please check out: svn co https://translate.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/translate/src/branches/translate/odf-xliff-first-try/ translate But you might want a packaged version, you'll need to wait a bit for that. The converter is actually separate from Pootle. Upload and convert built in would indeed be a cool feature. Probably more evident by you uploading an ODF and downloading the translated version. > It wouldn't surprise me to hear you've considered CMS-ifying Pootle, > and decided against it, but I'd be curious to hear why. Either way, I > look forward to getting Pootle to work, and then watching it improve. I guess I wouldn't use those words. Making it easier to admin without touching the server is definitely a goal though. But there are some less sexy underpinnings that we need to sort out mor urgently. This includes: * Merging Mozilla work (which is quite sexy actually) * Migrating to a new web framework (not much visually, but sexy to programmers) At the end of those two steps Pootle will have rocket boosters attached and I expect that it will be easier for others to contribute and help. -- Dwayne Bailey Associate +27 12 460 1095 (w) Translate.org.za +27 83 443 7114 (c) Recent blog posts: * Spelling Rulz http://www.translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/spelling-rulz * The birth of the GNU generation * Firefox users experience discrimination - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Translate-pootle mailing list Translate-pootle@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle
Re: [translate-pootle] new to this list
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:30 PM, Samuel Murray (Groenkloof) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, Pootle is not just a database with a web-based interface (like > Drupal or any of those systems). It contains custom applications that > run in the background, so you'd need to have those installed as well. > The solution is to get a more expensive web host. Damn. I was afraid you'd say that. > What kinds of files have you gotten out of Pootle? What kinds of files > are you trying to get in? I haven't gotten anything out, I've only read the documentation, which makes it look really easy. I haven't gotten anything in, despite repeatedly following the directions I found at Willing Wheels. > If by CMS-ifying you mean use only backend systems that are available on > the cheap web hosts, then the answer is "no" because Pootle is more > powerful than that. It would be an interesting exercise to rewrite the > Translate Toolkit using only PHP, truly, but it is not on the current > todo list AFAIK. Fair enough -- I see your to-do list is pretty long already. If by CMS-ifying you mean create an easy installer > that is web-based, well, I guess it can be done, but it may be cheaper > (if you count programmer's salaries etc) to simply get a slightly more > expensive web host yourself :-) Well, that might have to happen anyway, because my web host also can't run ]Project Open[, another app I'm very interested in. -- Steve Herrick Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. - Hobbes the tiger - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Translate-pootle mailing list Translate-pootle@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle
Re: [translate-pootle] new to this list
Steve Herrick wrote: > The problem is, I don't have root access to my web space, which means > that getting the dependencies in place will certainly be harder. Yes, Pootle is not just a database with a web-based interface (like Drupal or any of those systems). It contains custom applications that run in the background, so you'd need to have those installed as well. The solution is to get a more expensive web host. > Second, getting files out of Pootle is very easy, but getting them > *in* is spectacularly difficult. What kinds of files have you gotten out of Pootle? What kinds of files are you trying to get in? > It wouldn't surprise me to hear you've considered CMS-ifying Pootle, > and decided against it, but I'd be curious to hear why. If by CMS-ifying you mean use only backend systems that are available on the cheap web hosts, then the answer is "no" because Pootle is more powerful than that. It would be an interesting exercise to rewrite the Translate Toolkit using only PHP, truly, but it is not on the current todo list AFAIK. If by CMS-ifying you mean create an easy installer that is web-based, well, I guess it can be done, but it may be cheaper (if you count programmer's salaries etc) to simply get a slightly more expensive web host yourself :-) Samuel -- Samuel Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Decathlon, for volunteer opensource translations http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/decathlon/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Translate-pootle mailing list Translate-pootle@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle
Re: [translate-pootle] new to this list
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 8:08 AM, Dwayne Bailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its a mixed bag of people on this list. All your questions are welcome. Great! Well, let me start with a doozy. Has there been any talk of somehow tying Pootle in with any of the better-known CMSs, like Drupal or Zope? I know you're all working hard, including on the interface, but when I tried to install and use Pootle locally (and thinking about installing it remotely), I kept thinking that the parts I had a hard time with are things that Drupal, for example, makes really easy. Let me be more specific: First, I installed using apt-get. That made it incredibly easy, of course, and even the prefs files only threw me off for a few minutes. The problem is, I don't have root access to my web space, which means that getting the dependencies in place will certainly be harder. Second, getting files out of Pootle is very easy, but getting them *in* is spectacularly difficult. In fact, I never did succeed at it, despite trying for over an hour, all the while scouring multiple sources of documentation. My third issue is something you're already working on, which is getting ODF working. I'd be happy to help test this. I got the itools script to work, but ultimately, I'd love to see upload and conversion be a single step. It wouldn't surprise me to hear you've considered CMS-ifying Pootle, and decided against it, but I'd be curious to hear why. Either way, I look forward to getting Pootle to work, and then watching it improve. -- Steve Herrick Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. - Hobbes the tiger - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Translate-pootle mailing list Translate-pootle@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle
Re: [translate-pootle] new to this list
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 02:49 -0500, Steve Herrick wrote: > Hello! I'm very interested in Pootle, for both logistical and > philosophical reasons. I've gotten it running locally, though not on a > live webserver. > > I take it this list is primarily for developers, but is it OK to bring > user questions/comments here as well? Its a mixed bag of people on this list. All your questions are welcome. -- Dwayne Bailey Associate +27 12 460 1095 (w) Translate.org.za +27 83 443 7114 (c) Recent blog posts: * Spelling Rulz http://www.translate.org.za/blogs/dwayne/en/content/spelling-rulz * The birth of the GNU generation * Firefox users experience discrimination - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Translate-pootle mailing list Translate-pootle@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle
Re: [translate-pootle] new to this list
Steve Herrick wrote: > I take it this list is primarily for developers, but is it OK to bring > user questions/comments here as well? Users and developers both. Ask! :-) Samuel -- Samuel Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Decathlon, for volunteer opensource translations http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/decathlon/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Translate-pootle mailing list Translate-pootle@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle
[translate-pootle] new to this list
Hello! I'm very interested in Pootle, for both logistical and philosophical reasons. I've gotten it running locally, though not on a live webserver. I take it this list is primarily for developers, but is it OK to bring user questions/comments here as well? -- Steve Herrick Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. - Hobbes the tiger - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Translate-pootle mailing list Translate-pootle@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/translate-pootle
