Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-20 Thread nux
A problem with this is that whilst it's relatively easy to get all the  
proprietary software for free from torrent sites, there is no motive to try  
libre software other than from a moral point of view. So you could try to get  
youngsters to try Ardour and free synths, but if they can get Reason and  
Cubase and all those fabulous VST plugins, for free, they'll not see any  
reason to change.


Awakening a sense of overriding morality is what seems to me to be the need.  
When people think along the lines of so what if I can get proprietary  
software for free, that just taints me and all I produce we might start to  
get somewhere, but awakening that in people who live in a world where  
morality is regarded as a quaint affectation for weak people will be a  
Herculean task. A good proportion of Linux users don't care about proprietary  
vs libre - I know, I've argued with lots of them. They just don't want to  
know and get aggressive if you press the point.
A few months back I came across a review for yet another Debian Testing based  
distro (people seem to have forgotten what Testing means) stuffed with all  
the proprietary drivers and libraries and plugins. The creator became most  
aggressive when I suggested that he had added nothing to Linux but had, in  
fact, only made things worse, as he hadn't even bothered to leave a note  
explaining the differences and offering his users a chance to make an  
informed choice. All he had done is compact the idea that Linux means  
avoiding paying Microsoft and nothing else.

Convenience trumps morality in this day and age.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I want to share this interview with RMS

2014-08-20 Thread debianlinux

arielenter, I second what you said.


[Trisquel-users] Network issue with Trisquel 6.01

2014-08-20 Thread beginner56
Hi everyone, i'm having a big issue with trisquel 6 with my Aspire E1-522 A6  
5200. Trisquel doesn't recognize my network card, it doesn't allow me to  
connect my pc on the internet. Anyone knows how to solve it?


Re: [Trisquel-users] I want to share this interview with RMS

2014-08-20 Thread nux
Interesting point of view expressed in that last link. I've not heard him  
speak before.
To my mind there's a minor problem with his point of view. He says that the  
behaviour of large software based Corporations is froth rather than substance  
and that to focus on that is to waste time.
It reminds me of one of Chomsky's talks where he says, when asked about the  
Boycott Israel Campaign (that seeks to force Israel economically to change  
its policy towards the Palestinians), that such campaigns are a waste of time  
and would probably, if anything, make things worse. He then cites the end of  
apartheid in South Africa as only having occurred when Governments began to  
put South Africa under sanctions. The point being avoided here is that it was  
individuals campaigning for an end to apartheid and individually boycotting  
South African products, that grew into a movement big enough to gain  
Government attention, that caused Governments to start applying real  
sanctions. Prior to individuals calling for an end to apartheid the British  
Government, nor the US Government for that matter, cared in the slightest  
about the plight of those on the rough end of apartheid. On the contrary,  
South Africa was subject to the British crown for some time; their legal  
system subject to the UK's. Much money was made in gold and diamonds and you  
can bet the British Establishment got a hefty slice of that cake.
So, to bring it back to the point in hand, there is a spreading consciousness  
about Corporate behaviour - tax evasion, little if any accountability before  
the law, perversion of the political and media systems, privacy and  
surveillance, etc, and were that to be derailed into a political debate about  
rights then those Corporations would get to carry on with less attention and  
that is to their benefit. Any political debate, if it doesn't end up as an  
intellectual knife fight, which is what it almost certainly would do, would  
lead to Charters and Bills of Rights, that won't have any legal force and  
would, even if they did, take decades to get through the court cases and the  
appeals and the waiting for the legislature to define certain concepts and  
the retrials and the final rulings, before any of us knew where we stood.
So I'm extremely suspicious of intellectuals who seem to me to be saying  
look elsewhere, this is not the answer when history shows that it is indeed  
the answer, or at least, the first step towards a good answer.
He's right to say there needs to be a political/moral debate but, to my mind,  
diverting attention away from the currently coalescing centers of information  
control and economic power is misdirection. And that makes my alarm bells  
ring.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Laser Printer compatible with Trisquel or totally free distributions ?

2014-08-20 Thread ashok . biollay

For example, if I buy, on ThinkPenguin.Com :

- this computer (with Trisquel 6 / 7 / ...) and
- this printer,

will it (be possible to make them) work together ?

The idea is to use one computer with Trisquel (without any proprietary  
software) and any peripheral (printer, mouse, external hard discs, usb keys,  
etc.).


If I buy this printer, can I print only black-white when the yellow is empty  
?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-20 Thread ashok . biollay
I hope they will keep using GNU/Linux and not come back to proprietary  
operating systems.


Would be good that others towns and cities adopt Trisquel. ^^


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-20 Thread zatroch

All of you, read this: http://techrights.org/2014/08/19/munich-astroturf/


Re: [Trisquel-users] Laser Printer compatible with Trisquel or totally free distributions ?

2014-08-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
The printer will not work in Trisquel 6 (at least out of the box) because it  
requires a newer hplip version than what coms with Trisquel 6.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Shell on Trisquel 7 I18N 64-bit.

2014-08-20 Thread mampir

I'm using gnome-shell Trisquel 7 I18N 64-bit, so I know it should work.

Try updating you packages before installing:
sudo aptitude update

I'm more familiar with the output of aptitude, so try installing with it:

sudo aptitude install gnome-shell

You don't need to install the Mutter package.  It's useful only, if you want  
to use Mutter without GNOME Shell.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Laser Printer compatible with Trisquel or totally free distributions ?

2014-08-20 Thread ashok . biollay
Ah !?! isn't there a way to make them (laser printer and trisquel) work  
together ? I don't want to come back to inkjet printers.


[Trisquel-users] numeric keypad

2014-08-20 Thread obscurite
Hi, I would like to fix my numeric keypad because it does not display numbers  
for user loggin session in trisquel 6 .

Could anyone lend me a hand , please? Thx.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Laser Printer compatible with Trisquel or totally free distributions ?

2014-08-20 Thread onpon4
Like Chris said, it will work at a basic level out-of-the-box, just not with  
all of its features. To get full support, you can either do the thing he  
mentioned to get full support on Trisquel 6, wait for Trisquel 7 to be  
released, or update to the Trisquel 7 pre-release.


Re: [Trisquel-users] numeric keypad

2014-08-20 Thread mikko . viinamaki
Does it work if you enable Numlock? This can be done automatically by  
installing the package numlockx.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Network issue with Trisquel 6.01

2014-08-20 Thread beginner56
HI, thanks for responding, i had to unistall trisquel (wich was indual boot  
with ubuntu) because i had problems with the UEFI bios, so, i reinstalled  
ubuntu. This is the output from ubuntu 14.04 LTS. But i want to use trisquel  
too.

root@alessio-Aspire-E1-522:~# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Root Complex
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]  
Kabini [Radeon HD 8400]

00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Device 9840
00:02.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Function 0
00:02.2 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Functions 5:1
00:02.3 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Functions 5:1
00:10.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB XHCI  
Controller (rev 01)
00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA  
Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 40)
00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB OHCI  
Controller (rev 39)
00:12.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB EHCI  
Controller (rev 39)
00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB OHCI  
Controller (rev 39)
00:13.2 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB EHCI  
Controller (rev 39)
00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller (rev  
3a)
00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH Azalia  
Controller (rev 02)
00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge (rev  
11)
00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Function 0
00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Function 1
00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Function 2
00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Function 3
00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Function 4
00:18.5 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor  
Function 5
01:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA8171 Gigabit Ethernet (rev  
13)

01:00.1 SD Host controller: Qualcomm Atheros Device 3010 (rev 13)
05:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless  
Network Adapter (rev 01)




Re: [Trisquel-users] Network issue with Trisquel 6.01

2014-08-20 Thread beginner56
If there isn't a a solution, could you consult me for some hardware  
compatible with Trisquel and GnewSense? I'm assembling a Pc for my home and i  
want to install on it Trisquel and GnewSense in Dualboot. I want that PC to  
be Free as in Fredoom! :D


Re: [Trisquel-users] Network issue with Trisquel 6.01

2014-08-20 Thread onpon4
The easiest way to get hardware compatible with free/libre software is Think  
Penguin:


https://libre.thinkpenguin.com

That store only sells hardware that works with entirely free/libre systems.


Re: [Trisquel-users] numeric keypad

2014-08-20 Thread magicbanana
obscurité has first tried to get some help on the French-speaking forum:  
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/paver-numerique-d%C3%A9faillant-pour-login-session


He is actually talking about the numeric keypad of a virtual keyboard:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_keyboard


Re: [Trisquel-users] numeric keypad

2014-08-20 Thread onpon4
Hm... I did some testing with Onboard (not in the login screen, I don't know  
how to get the on-screen keyboard to pop up there), and what I found was kind  
of weird: I found that I was able to type numbers with the numpad, but only  
if before that I pressed the Num Lock key each time. Otherwise, it treated  
them like their corresponding non-number equivalents (e.g. left arrow for 4  
and right arrow for 6). Could that be the problem?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Laser Printer compatible with Trisquel or totally free distributions ?

2014-08-20 Thread nux
I have a Samsung ML-1610 (monochrome) - it's worked perfectly with every  
distro since the day I acquired it, about 10 years ago. Samsung used to  
provide Linux drivers (they still might), but it works 'out of the box' these  
days.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Munich gives up on GNU/Linux and free/open source software

2014-08-20 Thread nux

Yes. Echoed here also..
.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Munich-Switching-to-Windows-from-Linux-Is-Proof-that-Microsoft-Is-Still-an-Evil-Company-455510.shtml



Re: [Trisquel-users] Network issue with Trisquel 6.01

2014-08-20 Thread magicbanana
That is terrible hardware when it comes to free software support. You will  
not get any 3D acceleration from the Radeon card and your Wifi chipset is not  
among the ones Linux-libre can drive (it requires a proprietary firmware):  
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/searching-open-wifi#comment-54590


See this post as for more information on acquiring a Wifi card/adapter that  
would perfectly work with Trisquel:  
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/request-wlan-card-support#comment-55424


As for the graphics, you can get an nVidia card. The support for those cards  
is far from perfect though. The most recent models may be even less supported  
than your current Radeon card (fallback on the vesa driver). You can also  
settle for your current 2D display and remember than, in the future, you want  
to buy Intel processors. Linux-libre perfectly handles their integrated  
graphical chipsets.


[Trisquel-users] Re : numeric keypad

2014-08-20 Thread obscurite

I have numlockx package already installed and password is not recognized.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Network issue with Trisquel 6.01

2014-08-20 Thread legimet . calc
Actually, your wireless will work with only free software. It's just that you  
need a newer kernel which has the driver. You can get a libre kernel from  
Trusty by running:

$ sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-trusty


Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Shell on Trisquel 7 I18N 64-bit.

2014-08-20 Thread garsmith
I tried this and it didn't work. I get to choose GNOME at login but only  
loads background and shows network notifications up right corner.

sudo apt-get upgrade
sudo apt-get install gnome-session gnome-shell

I then tested this because my thinking was that Trisquel 7 is based on Ubuntu  
14.04 and it will probably work. And it did, after the commands above.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2014/05/upgrade-gnome-3-12-ubuntu-14-04

Quoting omgubuntu command:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging
sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade


I have done some testing on a fresh install and this works for me.
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging
sudo apt-get install gnome-session gnome-shell
(Tested logout and choose Gnome. Same as above. Rebooting)
sudo apt-get update  sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
(Log out, choosing Gnome and it works)

Trisquel 7 20140807 i18 amd64 is running Gnome 3.12.2 here.



Re: [Trisquel-users] Network issue with Trisquel 6.01

2014-08-20 Thread garsmith
Here is a database of hardware if it supports freedom or not. Not much  
hardware is in that database but choose laptops and choose A premium. Don't  
forget to read the comments and search a bit more on that machine.

http://h-node.org

The big things with freedom supporting hardware is graphics card (AMD and  
Nvidia) and wireless. On laptops the track pad seems to also be a problem  
some times.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I want to share this interview with RMS

2014-08-20 Thread tegskywalker
If you don't like cookies:  
https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/uFMMXRoSxnA?rel=0


[Trisquel-users] New (first) libre planet in UK

2014-08-20 Thread Andrés Muñiz Piniella
After asking myself why there was not a libreplanet in UK for better
part of a year I just created one. 

I am basically learning as I go along but in case anyone from UK happens
to be in the area: please say hi. 

http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:LibrePlanet_Ham



Re: [Trisquel-users] Network issue with Trisquel 6.01

2014-08-20 Thread chris
There are actually a lot of other problems besides non-free graphics and  
wireless dependencies. HP, Lenovo/IBM, Toshiba, Sony, Apple, and Dell all use  
digital restrictions for example. This does happen to mostly impact wireless,  
but is a distinctly separate issue. What it means is that you can't buy a  
laptop from one of these companies an expect to be able to replace the wifi  
card in it with one that is compatible with free software.


I highly encourage people to boycott these companies. It goes beyond  
incompetence or not caring. They are actively working against the user.


There are lots of other issues that can impact support that have less to do  
with proprietary software and more to do with design. For instance  
software-based switches for turning on/off wifi cards (ie you may have a card  
that works, but if it's always off, and you can't turn it back on, then the  
laptop won't work terribly well with GNU/Linux), support for special function  
keys (adjusting volume/screen brightness), and power management.


This is a short list of problems people frequently experience. There are some  
other older issues that have purportedly cropped up again too relating to DRM  
that I had thought were permanently solved. However I haven't had time to  
confirm the claims or look into solving the problem so I'll refrain from  
going into it. It won't impact most people in either event.


You may also run into issues related to restricted boot, but I can't really  
speak too much about it. I'm not sure how common of a problem it is with  
off-the-shelf x86 hardware in the worst case situation. At its worst you can  
brick systems and/or simply not be able to install GNU/Linux. I believe it  
would also include lesser problems with x86 that simply make loading  
GNU/Linux more difficult.


There are also issues with CPUs related to digital restrictions. While it  
won't work in Trisquel or any free system today anyway the more systems that  
ship with the technology in the CPU the easier it becomes for sites to use /  
arguments to be made for adopting/requiring it. Today you can watch most  
content on YouTube, but tomorrow that may not be possible if Google  
implements code that utilizes this technology in the CPU. Avoid Intel CPUs  
with 'Trusted Computing Technology'. I'm unsure what AMD calls this  
technology, but a version of it is also present in modern AMD CPUs.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Laser Printer compatible with Trisquel or totally free distributions ?

2014-08-20 Thread chris
Let me make a small correction about support in Trisquel 6 for this printer.  
The printer itself will work 'out of the box' in some sense of the meaning.  
While Trisquel's printing wizard won't auto-detect the right driver the stock  
postscript driver included in Trisquel 6 will work with it, and as such there  
is nothing to install. Simply manually selecting the right postscript driver  
should be all there is to it. I'm pretty sure we've added documentation on  
this for Trisquel 6 to the support section of our web site. If not send us an  
email and we'll add it and/or link you to the documentation.


* If I said otherwise somewhere let this be a correction. I probably did  
imply Trisquel 6 wasn't supported, but that would be at least in part wrong.  
It isn't fully supported out of the box is what I should have said.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Laser Printer compatible with Trisquel or totally free distributions ?

2014-08-20 Thread chris
I've had some bad experiences with Samsung printers. It was with one of the  
early low end laser printers in fact. It's the same with HP I believe. In any  
event despite Samsung clearly advertising support for Linux, they only  
provided proprietary drivers for a few distributions. I believe it was Redhat  
and maybe SUSE. These low end laser printers aren't a good choice for  
GNU/Linux users. They're generally not postscript compliant, and dependent on  
some non-free driver.


That said if you bought a higher end laser printer years ago there is a much  
better chance it'll work fairly seamlessly as most of the higher end laser  
printers traditionally have been postscript compliant making supporting them  
easy. It is less true today than ever before though. However that said I  
believe there are still a lot of higher end laser printers with postscript  
support on the market.


[Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7: Memory leak?

2014-08-20 Thread Perseo
I'm currently testing Trisquel 7 (trisquel_7.0-20140807-i18n_amd64.iso)
on VirtualBox 4.3.14 and at times when I occupy the terminal feel a
little slow (lag) when working on the same. At other times get me the
following message:

no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory

I have reviewed the bug track in search of a similar problem but I
haven't found anything like that.

Does anyone else? Is there any way to check if this is a bug? If this
were the case, could someone tell me the procedure to follow to obtain
the description of the same?





Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 7: Memory leak?

2014-08-20 Thread icaro . perseo
D'oh! I did not see the answer to my problem until you send my email.  
Sorry!!! My fault ;)


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