Re: [Trisquel-users] Auto-repeat doesn't work in one of my installations after screen-blanking
xset -r off didn't work You mean xset -r on?
Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU IceCat vs Abrowser
I just installed Trisquel 7 on my Acer Aspire One, and I'm having a few issues. I installed IceCat using 'apt-get install'. It seemed to install fine, but seems to crash an awful lot, possibly something to do with LibreJS, which is a useful tool, but at this point in the 'Free Your JS' campaign, still tends to make most websites unusable. ABrowser is working better, but still seems to have a few weird issues. One website I opened made the ABrowser flicker and jerk. I remember from another thread on this forum that the ABrowser project is in the process of being retired, or merged with IctCat. Is this still the case?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
Unethical or not, it's clear that you have way more independence and control over your computing running the software on your own than using a service. And since the whole point of the free software movement is to have control over your computing then SaaSS should be avoided. SaaSS is even worse than off-line proprietary software in some aspects: * If you have a computer with proprietary software that works without Internet and you don't connect. Then you know your data is safe in terms of privacy. With SaaSS you always have to send all the data to the server in order to get the result, clearly not the best in terms of privacy. * You can at least try to reverse engineer the software and change it. With SaaSS you can't, unless the source code from the server is public. But if you want to make changes to the software you obviously have to run it on your computer, but then it's not SaaSS anymore. But I don't think that SaaSS is bad always. If you only use SaaSS sporadically for reasons like I need to do a translation but my brother's computer don't have GNU translator then it's okay, because you don't depend on SaaSS, you only used it because it was more convenient at that temporal situation. But when you depend on SaaSS then in my opinion it can be as bad as any addiction.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Private Browsing Tor Proxy not working anymore in Abrowser
Follow-up: a brand new ~/.mozilla/abrowser profile fixes the problem, so I guess I have a setting somewhere that conflicts with the addon (now what could that be, I have no idea!). Maybe some modification in about:config?
Re: [Trisquel-users] GRUB issues
Can you please link to a set of newbie-friendly instructions for updating GRUB that will work reliably in Trisquel 7? Speaking of GRUB, I find that I need to run boot-repair every time I install Trisquel. Is there a reason why it isn't in the Trisquel repos, or even installed by default?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Creating a license that switches between two external licenses
...what if you don't have someone who is also a programmer to take it over? Someone else may. And I mean some random person on the internet who cares to do so. This is not guaranteed of course. Unless the software is well-like by other people, it may very well just die. As an example, I picked up two programs that originally came out in the 1980s. They were licensed under the GPLv2 or any later version (see Beyond The Titanic and Supernova at http://jxself.org/git/.) They were first upgraded to GPLv3 and then the modifications to them are under the AGPLv3, all thanks to the or any later version clause as well as the GPL/AGPL compatibility language in each license. This shows that is isn't necessary to first put the software into the public domain in order for this hypothetical person to come along and continue working on it under the GPL. It's out there, it's free, and it'll continue to be regardless of who is or isn't alive but you can't really force anyone to take it over. And hey - you're dead anyway, so you probably don't care if they do or not. :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
That really doesn't matter; you still depend on the software on the other player's computer to communicate with them. The only difference you're talking about is whether the communication job is centralized or distributed. If centralized communication jobs were no good, that would extend to the entirety of the World Wide Web, too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
Personally, I'm of the opinion that SaaSS is not necessarily unethical. I can't see a way to justify calling services substituting for software unethical which wouldn't also justify calling all services to do something you could do yourself unethical. However, I do think RMS is right that we should avoid SaaSS, because it's still dangerous for the users even if it's an ethical activity (for the reasons he outlines).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Auto-repeat doesn't work in one of my installations after screen-blanking
I'm on LXDE. LXinput isn't like that (changing repeat delay and interval, which you can do with it, didn;t help). (Otherwise I wouldn't be posting it here since my search of the WWW mostly net answer like Open GNOME Control Centre's Keyboard-setting utility :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
moxalt wrote: In the same way that the issue with proprietary software is not necessarily that it is directly abusing the user (in many cases it is not) but a matter of principle. Then this is where you differ with the free software movement. Proprietary software mistreats each of its users by not granting users the 4 freedoms of free software. For free software activists, the lack of these freedoms are the principle by which proprietary software is dismissed out of hand. There's no way to defend your assertion that proprietary software is not mistreating its users because one cannot study, alter, distribute, or sometimes even run a proprietary program. If you believe that proprietary software is not directly abusing the user then it would seem you don't actually agree with the free software movement. The free software movement posits (with remarkable evidence) that proprietary software is ethically wrong. The issue at stake here is not what the operator could potentially do or not, but whether the practice of using someone else's server for communicating between instances of a game is actually SaaSS or not, and whether it should thus be rejected on principle. I don't think it is. There's nothing clarifying about a program being a game; we need to understand what a specific program actually does in order to comment on whether that program is Service as a Software Substitute. Therefore one shouldn't make broad generalizations such as what you've written above. Determining what the operator could do is determining the scope of what harm the user could suffer. I believe that is the basis of Stallman's analysis of when SaaSS is inconsequential and can be dismissed, versus when SaaSS is dangerous and ethically wrong.
[Trisquel-users] Re : MonoGame - is it free software ?
There are plenty of competing engines, like
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
right..
Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless Problem
To ansser the original question re: tradition vs functional requirement, it's a convention that helps to maintain order by keeping binaries, taken from repository packages, from binaries resulting from compilation of sources not in the repos, and from scripts for use only by one user. For instance, if I build something for testing in a 'sandbox', I do the build such that the program has ~/builds/ as its base directory. This way, I cannot accidentally clobber something needed for the production system.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
There are peer-to-peer games around like Stunt Rally, which do not have any central server, aside of the master server which handles the list of games.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SpyBlock doesn't work - IceCat 31.8
Well, I realized that it doesn't block specific ads: It blocks Urban's Terror adds on its website but it does not block ads on google, startpage, ixquick... But it blocks the majority of them and blocks most of the third party trackers (I've checked the list).
[Trisquel-users] Re : Any Trisquel users on the Libreboot X60 have their keyboards turn off randomly?
You could take a look at the end dmesg's output right after the problem occurs (using your USB keyboard). There might be useful information.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Creating a license that switches between two external licenses
That way, the copyright isn't tied to a dead entity and the software gets ignored. You can also write down who should manage the copyrighted on your works in case of death (like Aaron Swartz did).
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
heartbleed would probably have been discovered sooner. any the nsa would release this info and not abuse it...?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Any Trisquel users on the Libreboot X60 have their keyboards turn off randomly?
Yes, I don't believe this is a Libreboot issue. You mention you use your machine for terminal use, web and email. Does your symptoms only affect your terminal session by any chance? That is when it occurs can you still input via the keyboard to your browser etc. If it only affects your terminal session perhaps you inadvertently hit C-s (that is the CTRL key plus s). This is a bash command to suspend the output. If you then hit C-q this will resume output again to your terminal and you should see anything you may have typed while the output was suspended suddenly re-appear. I too have a Libreboot X60s and do recall a similar issue when I first got the machine. I can't recall now if it was me inadvertently suspending bash or another cause. Suffice to say I no longer experience this issue. So if it is not a suspension of bash output perhaps you are running an older version of Libreboot. What version of Libreboot are you running out of curiosity? I'm on the 20150208 release as I still run Trisquel 6. The latest release 20150518 removes the powertop scripts for Trisquel 6 as it is considered now obsolete. I intend to upgrade to Trisquel 7 at some point and then this latest libreboot release. Hope this helps.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Wireless Problem
Well, it is cleaner to have your homemade programs (for all users of the system) in a separate directory. Nothing prevents your program in /usr/bin from being overwritten if you install a package that happen to have picked the same name as yours for one of its binaries. See what http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#USRLOCALLOCALHIERARCHY (the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard) specifies: The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when the system software is updated. It may be used for programs and data that are shareable amongst a group of hosts, but not found in /usr. Locally installed software must be placed within /usr/local rather than /usr unless it is being installed to replace or upgrade software in /usr. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#FTN.AEN1450 (a note) additionally says: Software placed in / or /usr may be overwritten by system upgrades (though we recommend that distributions do not overwrite data in /etc under these circumstances). For this reason, local software must not be placed outside of /usr/local without good reason.
[Trisquel-users] Re : SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
I do not think there can be any executable code embedded in SVG. The picture is scalable because objects are mathematically defined. A circle, for instance, is defined as a center and a radius. In this way, whatever the zoom, the application (for instance the Web browser) draws a perfect circle. On the contrary, raster images (such as BMPs, PNGs, JPEGs, etc.) basically are matrices of pixels and zooming just makes the pixels larger.
[Trisquel-users] Open Semantic Search Engine
Quote:Free software for your own search engine, data explorer and research tools based on Apache Lucene / Solr or Elastic Search open-source enterprise-search and open standards for Linked Data and Semantic Web. Looks a bit complicated, but very interesting ! Downloads have VMs, .deb file, there's even a live-system (iso) ! http://www.opensemanticsearch.org/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
Games are for fun, so you don't need to care if they're SaaSS I know that Games aren't exactly computing/work/tool. But still, cloud gaming means depending on someone's else server for doing something that you're perfectly capable of doing on your computer. It also means that you never have the possibility to modify or copy the game. So, I care if a game is SaaSS.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
I thought they were just mere XML. I wonder if this JS gets executed on IceCat even with JS disabled.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
So, it isn't SVG can be dangerous but the browser can hold exploits while rendering SVG or PNG files, so disable it if you don't want to leave any clue (like in TBB).
Re: [Trisquel-users] SpyBlock doesn't work - IceCat 31.8
what exactly do you mean by doesn't work? Icecat's spyblock addon function is not to block ads but the trackers and thus only those adds that track the user will be blocked. If you want it to block all adds you need to add a filter to its filters list. If I may recommend a filter: fanboy ultimate list.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
Looks like SVGs can contain scripts, e.g. JavaScript. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SVG#Scripting_and_animation
[Trisquel-users] Auto-repeat doesn't work in one of my installations after screen-blanking
When I press f for a few seconds on one of the Trisquel installations on my laptop (as usual made by debootstrapping and continuing from there), I expect to get . This is what I get upon login. But if the screen blanks (i.e. because I close it) and I use the computer after that, if I press f I only get f. I've got Trisquel 6 on which LXDE, Lightdm, XFCE4 Power Manager, Compton but not xscreensaver are used. On the same laptop, there's a Trisquel 7 and Parabola installation as well that don't seem to have the same problem I've described above. Any ideas? (xset -r off didn't work, neither did setting).
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
what are you talking about man? lembda actually gave you a link? and just ignore everything I said? I wasn't theorizing...lol Try searching online sometimes for information, its useful. https://technet.microsoft.com/library/security/ms09-062#section2 https://threatpost.com/png-image-metadata-leading-to-iframe-injections/104047 http://www.tenable.com/pvs-plugins/4610 https://www.debian.org/security/2004/dsa-536
Re: [Trisquel-users] MonoGame - is it free software ?
also theres all the quake and doom engines and LÖVE and pygame and sdl, allegro, gosu, rubygame, corange, Blender, HAFF's Game engine, castle engine, panda3d, pearengine3d etc etc etc you definitely don’t have to worry about choice!
Re: [Trisquel-users] SpyBlock doesn't work - IceCat 31.8
if you want to block adds use Ublock
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
https://www.blackhat.com/docs/us-14/materials/us-14-DeGraaf-SVG-Exploiting-Browsers-Without-Image-Parsing-Bugs.pdf
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
it can potentially exploit any program that renders it. media players, email clients...etc...
Re: [Trisquel-users] SpyBlock doesn't work - IceCat 31.8
So spyblock don't block adds that don't spy? Excellent because I have no problem with ads that don't track.
[Trisquel-users] SpyBlock doesn't work - IceCat 31.8
It happens to you too?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Open Semantic Search Engine
A few concerns: 1. The intermixing of the terms free software and open source is always a red flag. It could be just confusion in the messaging, but its still a red flag. 2. Based on a multi-page quick walk through of the website I could not find any licensing information. My assumption is that since this seems to be a derivative work it simply uses the original license of the software it is based on. 3. Its based on Apache Solr, which is licensed under the Apache 2.0. This is a GPL compatible Free Software License. This is good news :) The problems I see with it is that the licensing is ambiguous, but likely ok. Hopefully they will update the available information. Looks like a neat project!
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
*misspelled and as any
Re: [Trisquel-users] Any Trisquel users on the Libreboot X60 have their keyboards turn off randomly?
interesting you say that, your post is making me feel like I'm in the twilight zone now. Because it happened to me in windows yesterday, for the first time ever... keyboard just stopped working, I rebooted and it worked again. It totally baffled my mind. And last night I couldn’t wake my trisquel monitor from suspend. and the kb became unresponsive. I unplugged it, the light went off and wouldn't come back on when plugged back in. I see now in the logs today, it logged when i kept unplugging it and plugging it back in, but it just wasn't working. I could hear the blog i was listening to still playing so the computer didn't crash, just the keyboard became unresponsive. The mouse wasn't waking the monitor either, but i could unplug and plug it back in. and it wasn't shutting off. so weird. I had to wait for my pc timer to automatically shut off the pc and I was wondering if that was my issue. The fact i had used the shutdown command to power off after a certain time period. Because that has happened to me in other distros, where i use the shutdown command but then manually go to shutdown the pc without cancelling, and the shutdown process halts on me. I dunno, i'm just taking wild guesses. Monitor is waking from suspend today np. I'm a little in shock you posted this today, cause i was dreaming last night wondering if my kb is having problem sor something lol here is my paste. http://dpaste.com/2GWXK6X
[Trisquel-users] How do I downgrade kernel
I'm getting x problems trying to wake monitor from a long suspend, i want to revert back to a previous kernel to see if thats the issue? How can I do this? I tried these directions https://blog.okturtles.com/2014/06/how-to-downgrade-a-linux-kernel-on-debian/ it didn't work.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I downgrade kernel
I figured it out, I had to remove the 01_PASSWORD file. it just didn't work no matter what username and passwd i used. Ty Quidam.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Auto-repeat doesn't work in one of my installations after screen-blanking
Check out the Keyboard utility in the System settings. There is a checkbox to control that.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
No. That's a communication job, a joint activity. It's impossible to play a multiplayer game with someone else using only software on your computer. If the game was single-player, and the server only existed to provide the game world... that still probably wouldn't be SaaSS, because in that case you're accessing the server to get the particular game world. Really, the only case of SaaSS in games is things like the OnLive; so-called cloud gaming, where the game runs on someone else's computer and you send input to the server while the server sends you a video feed.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
Nothing, I was just mentioning that yes, SVG pics can be dangerous maybe the warning is there because the same might apply to PNG pics. Not sure though (Lembas seems to have a proof there)
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
SVG are not pictures in the way you would consider a picture. See, you can zoom inside of them infinitely without losing detail, so you know there is code involved. It is considered (though I am not sure it has been proven) that this code could be used to attack the browser. (doing more than just showing a pic I mean) And also, the code in firefox that handles SVG pics is not that great in terms of functionality or security.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Creating a license that switches between two external licenses
Yeah, but what if you don't have someone who is also a programmer to take it over? Can't burden a wife or child that has no interest and/or skill to maintain the code. What about if I'm a corporation or organization? Do I simply assign to another entity (like a software conservatory) even if they may not want it? Obviously we cannot predict our death, but it can just happen and maybe we want our software to enter the public domain (or in a more lax license) even if it was copyleft and we were able to enforce it while alive.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless Problem
That's the point. From a system administration standpoint, there is no real difference between an executable someone compiled themselves and put in /usr/local/bin and a shell script someone chmodded themselves. They are both local user-created executables outside of the package management system, and as such belong in /usr/local/bin. * Proceeds to move all scripts to /usr/local/bin *
Re: [Trisquel-users] Wireless Problem
Shouldn't such scripts be placed in /home//bin/? I thought /usr/local/bin/ is reserved for applications you compile and install manually as in not from the repositories. For example I am running emacs 24.5 as only 24.3 (and not even that) is available in the repositories and it was installed to /usr/local/bin/. I guess if it needs to be available to all users of a system then it should go in /usr/local/bin.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
Probably not, because PNG and SVG pictures are composed with a completely different mechanism. PNG (and all other bitmap image formats) are essentially a matrix of bits representing pixels at a set resolution. SVG (scalable vector graphics) are instead a set of instructions for drawing said image- shapes are defined as sets of lines to be drawn, colours to be filled, etc. Thus the potential for malicious functionality to exist is vastly different.
Re: [Trisquel-users] SELinux and an interesting Warning on Blag
Although the classic 'chmod +x cat.png' always holds true.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
I agree. Seeing that paragraph in the original version of the article had me somewhat confused as to how that qualified as SaaSS, and got me asking this question here. I held, and still hold, the opinion that multiplayer gaming is not SaaSS. It's impossible to play a multiplayer game with someone else using only software on your computer. Consider: a chess program which does not follow the client-server model, but simply updates its own internal state of play according to the information sent to it over the network. It would thus be hypothetically possible to conduct a game of chess over two networked computers using only local software, and having the programs communicate directly, updating each other's stored state of play and sending each other relevant information (such as moves, etc.) in turn. It is possible to have a multiplayer experience without the client-server model. I believe that this is in fact the manner in which some early two-player games functioned- much like playing chess by post.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
You clearly don't understand the distinction between SaaSS and connecting to
servers in general. Browsing the web is not SaaSS, but under your definition
('anything that involves connecting to a server you do not directly control')
it would be. The difference is that in the case of, say, Google Drive word
processing, you are using a service hosted on a server to do your own computing
for you, instead of simply running a free word processor of your own. The
ethical issue here is that, as with proprietary software, the user is not in
control of her own computing- those who run the server are. Requesting files
from a server, however, is not SaaSS because those files are simply being
retrieved and then viewed in a program on the user's own computer. Sure,
potential abuses exist, as they always do, but this does not make the practice
of browsing the web unethical. It is important to note that in both these cases
the user is connecting to servers running software they have no direct control
over- yet there is a clear difference in how both practices (browsing the web
and SaaSS) actually function, and the ethical consequences therein.
My case is that I do not consider playing, say, Nexuiz online over someone
else's server a case of SaaSS- and I don't think Stallman does either. A game of
Nexuiz usually requires both a client and a server. Usually (in single-player)
these are both hosted on the same machine; one client, one server. In the case
of online play, however, multiple users have decided to share one server
between their many clients, communicating over a network.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Are multiplayer games SaaSS?
I believe he was probably referring to things like AdventureQuest, BattleDawn, and the like- all multiplayer games, yet hosted entirely online.
