Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-03 Thread chris

Free Talk Live Interview with Luke (lkcl):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjgxGd2eSn8=youtu.be=6m6s

* I'm also in the background


Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-08-03 Thread jason
VLC and Westnoth may not be the best examples because they do get security  
updates (An example being VLC version 2.1.6-0ubuntu14.04.2 and Westnoth  
1:1.10.7-1ubuntu0.14.04.1, both of are available from security despite living  
in Universe.) Keep in mind security doesn't mean the latest available  
version. Similar to Debian if a security issue is found in VLC or Westnoth  
that fix can be backported, assuming that the fix even impacts that specific  
version in the first place (it may not, and if so renders the issue moot over  
that particular security issue.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-03 Thread onpon4

Just want to point out that I posted another thread:

http://forum.freegamedev.net/viewtopic.php?t=7094=70214


Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-03 Thread onpon4

> Firefox has been a monster since the beginning and has only got bigger.

Not quite. I think it was Firefox 9 when there were massive performance  
improvements; before the release I'm thinking of, it required so much RAM  
that it was flat-out unusable on the OpenPandora with its 256 MB of RAM, and  
not to mention agonizingly slow. Then it suddenly got better than Midori, to  
my recollection. I don't know whether or not it's gotten back to its old  
bloated self since then, but in any case, it hasn't only gotten bigger. :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-03 Thread luke . leighton
blender would likely be too much.  i'm using openscad to develop the laptop  
casework and my dual-core dual-hyperthreaded 2.4ghz modern pentium with 8gb  
RAM is barely able to cope: i'm looking at SECONDS per frame to render.   
that's with a standard intel graphics, with the shared memory bus  
architecture, you know the thing. so it's not surprising... but just don't be  
surprised when certain computational tasks mash machines into the ground,  
regardless of OS :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-03 Thread luke . leighton
https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates# just got printing  
tested and confirmed, and the next update in the queue is 1080p60  
hardware-assisted *LIBRE* video playback... :)




[Trisquel-users] Re : I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-08-03 Thread lcerf
As far as I understand, Canonical at least propagates Debian's updates  
(whatever the section) and so does Trisquel. In the "Synaptic Package  
Manager", you can click the "Origin" button and, then,  
"belos-security/universe" or "belenos-updates/universe" to list the related  
packages that received such updates (respectively relating to 1238 and 2724  
distinct packages).


Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-08-03 Thread mcz
I see, so this weakness is supposed to be counterbalanced with the updates  
(so non LTS versions).


Well, I guess taking into account how few GNU/Linux users exist, a few  
obscure security breaches isn't as problematic as more juicy targets like  
Windows and Mac. I mean Trisquel as-is is still ok.


Personally, I don't see enough positive difference between Debian and Ubuntu  
though.
Well, that's one more argument for Debian as the direct base of Trisquel in  
the future.

Unless Debian is affected as well.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-03 Thread mcz
I see your point, but most GNU/Linux programs and OS run better on older  
machines (I think). But I don't know, Blender most likely needs as much power  
as its proprietary counterparts for heavy duty stuff.


Again, not too sure about what I affirm here.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Free software alternative to Foxit Reader / Adobe for writing on PDFs?

2016-08-03 Thread isaac

Thanks, both. Installing as we speak and will give them both a go.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-08-03 Thread dguthrie
Maybe it is because Canonical don't make this clear at download, and at any  
rate a typical first-time user is just going to get on with it and not  
complain as they might not understand how repositories work or the importance  
of security updates.
I have seen it mentioned a couple of times, especially on various computer  
security-focuesed forums. One forum topic was about some person's outrage at  
the 'betrayal' by Canonical. Whatever...
The experienced users more likely to know about this generally use the latest  
Ubuntu release, which is updated every six months, but the people who are  
more likely to use LTS are less likely to know or care or understand.
Also Canonical can't be bothered; so that is the biggest reason why they  
don't publicise this as it would give them bad press and might alarm  
potential customers to data-mine in Unity desktop (o.k., they don't do this  
anymore "by default" (although they could if they were evil) but whatever)).


Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-03 Thread dguthrie
> Plus we're talking about free software, the encremental need for more power  
isn't as steep, if I'm not mistaken (probably though, I don't know what I'm  
talking about here).


I don't think whether a program is free software affects whether it is  
bloated. For example, Firefox has been a monster since the beginning and has  
only got bigger. Similarly Android's build process is horrific. And GNOME and  
KDE are monstrous, and keep growing.
Certainly some proprietary programs are bloated because the developers can  
often get away with sloppy code. Windows is bloated partly due to Microsoft  
maintaining compatibility as much as possible with old APIs (I think Windows  
might be quite sloppy and full of crusty code but I think the maintenance of  
compatibility is a major factor in making it the absolute giant it is today.  
it requires around 20G to run on a typical PC, and that is before all the  
crapware manufacturers install).
Although what you are using is generally probably less beefy than a typical  
Mac or Windows OS, this is not a general rule. The Linux kernel for instance,  
is gigantic! It won't scale down to really small embedded devices (4k ram  
etc) because it doesn't need to. The same goes for other bloated programs.


Re: [Trisquel-users] The future of Libre Computing: Crowd Funding Campaign Starts Now

2016-08-03 Thread mcz

This looks like a super small resolution. Disclaimer: I'm not a math person.

I'd describe the product this way:
* 100% free hardware
* long-lived hardware

Hopefully I don't miss anything essential, but I feel any of the other  
qualities come from those 2 ideas.
When I think performance, I think heavy image editing, heavy video and 3D  
editing, heavy music making (not necessarily heavy metal), things like that.


For the most part, those are the needs of pros.
16GB of RAM would completely cover those needs, 8 would be more than fine.  
Plus we're talking about free software, the encremental need for more power  
isn't as steep, if I'm not mistaken (probably though, I don't know what I'm  
talking about here).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Printing in color

2016-08-03 Thread mcz

Beautiful, thank you :) !


Re: [Trisquel-users] FCC Threat: TP-Link bullied and lock down situation worsening...

2016-08-03 Thread mcz

Sorry, I didn't meant tiny as a way to minimize the issue.
And I see your point with those further examples.

Well, bottom line is: that definitely sucks. What can be done, in your  
opinion?




Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-08-03 Thread mcz
I see. So basically it's the same as Ubuntu, minus clarification in  
/etc/apt/sources.list.


That means VLC doesn't have updates on Ubuntu either?
How come nobody cares on Ubuntu's side?

Thanks for the info.


Re: [Trisquel-users] I'm leaving Trisquel

2016-08-03 Thread dguthrie
> Oh, I see. But how can you be sure that it's not only the main repo, and  
instead a mix of main and universe?


Because they are distinct sections in Synaptic package manager. Packages like  
Wesnoth and VLC are under "universe" (same as in Ubuntu) while packages like  
GNU Coreutils are under "main". Check yourself and you will see.

Yet in /etc/apt/sources.list, no mention of "universe" is made as you saw.


Re: [Trisquel-users] FCC Threat: TP-Link bullied and lock down situation worsening...

2016-08-03 Thread dguthrie
Maybe some no-brand companies in China sell noncompliant devices that won't  
be sold in the U.S.? Unlikely, but nonetheless a possibility?
Maybe they would base them on old designs which have free firmware and  
drivers? 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Development updates

2016-08-03 Thread dguthrie
You should use Tor Browser Bundle for most of your general browsing, keeping  
in mind to use Tor the right way (as instructed by their website). The Tor  
Browser gets extremely prompt security updates and is the best way to browse  
with as much security and privacy as possible.
For logging into accounts etc use a different browser such as Midori, or  
Firefox from Mozilla's website. For email don't use webmail, use an email  
client (such as Icedove or Claws Mail).


Re: [Trisquel-users] Any of you use Ring?

2016-08-03 Thread dguthrie

> PRISM Break isn't about software freedom, it's about security, and
that's a secondary goal for free/libre software.
I think libre software is necessary but not sufficient for security. The  
Prism Break website is a good resource for privacy, and I think that they do  
care about freedom. One thing that I am happy to see is their acknowledgement  
of free software's importance in avoiding mass surveillance. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Any of you use Ring?

2016-08-03 Thread dguthrie

If I recall, the prism-break website people also made privacy-tools.io


Re: [Trisquel-users] Any of you use Ring?

2016-08-03 Thread dahunt
I just built and installed the Ring Gnome client onto my Parabola setup. No  
calls yet, so I dont' know how that part works, but startup was as easy as  
would be with skype. My machine-generated number is:


ring:50ba038c8b3f0f1faa10a5ff6fbb379decc489f9





Re: [Trisquel-users] Development updates

2016-08-03 Thread mve1

Thanks. I guess I will avoid for now then. :|


Re: [Trisquel-users] Development updates

2016-08-03 Thread dguthrie

38.x ESR is end of life and icecat gets no security updates now,