[Trisquel-users] Just a friendly reminder that Trisquel 7.0 is not outdated
Hello :) I know most of you are really excited about Trisquel 8.0 and so happy with the new Alfa (I am really happy too). But it seems important to me to remind you that Free Software is not about technology or progress (something I've heard Richard Stallman say several times). Free Software is about ethics and respect freedom of the user. Free Software is more important than convenience or shiny. Sadly a few users seem to have forgotten this, and have decided to stop using Trisquel because they seem to care more about how new and shiny the software is, more than the ethics on the software. This is really surprising considering that Trisquel 7 is only 2 years old. "Yeah", some say, "that is really old". Well if we consider the majority of people that have a computer, then Trisquel 7 is not outdated at all: Windows 10 is already 1 year old, and is not the most used OS, it is windows 7 which is -wait for it- 7 years old. I know right?? Mind blow!!!. Most people on earth have a computer with a 7 years old OS!!!. So if people who use one of the worsts operating systems can live with a 7 years old, maybe we can be a little patient and wait a few months. FAQ: 1.- "But Ubuntu 16.04 is already a few months old". As I already say Trisquel cares more about freedom, than it does about new technology. Remember, we are here because of freedom not progress. I think we all know that Trisquel comes out months after the curruent LTS of Ubuntu. So no reason to be desperate. 2.- "But there are little news about Trisquel" This does not have effect on how good or bad is Trisquel, neither on freedom, neither makes it outdated. I agree it would be nice to have more news about development, but is not necessary either. 3.- "But the Free Software Foundation should care more about Trisquel!" The Free Software Foundation already does as much as it can with the little resources it has. Please stop asking the Free Software Foundation to do more and start helping it to do more. Do not ask what Trisquel can do for you, ask what can you do for Trisquel. Anyway most of you are really cool and already know all this, but most of us (yeah me included) have to remember this from time to time :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Installation shortcuts in Trisquel 8 instead of pre-installed apps?
I've written before on this forum about how confusing the Add/Remove Applications user experience is. It is *not* limited only to user-friendly, mature apps. It's not even limited to only graphical applications. It's just a GUI for every piece of randomware that happens to be under a license that makes it suitable for inclusion in the repos. Many of the apps that can be installed from Add/ Remove programs are not endorsed by *anyone*, many are not even usable, and many are not even in active development. You significantly misunderstand my proposal if you think that... >> What you suggest basically is to make a menu from the current "Add/Remove Applications" (or whatever it is called), where a choice already exists (only graphical applications) and where applications already are categorized. > showing all possible options in the main menu
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 Desktop Environment.
AFAIK the decision has been made to use Mate. I think this is a good decision, and I might start recommending Trisquel 8 to new users switching from Windows/MacOSX (I currently recommend Mint as a stepping stone from proprietary OS to fully libre GNU/Linux). GNOME 3 is great, but in most metrics I've seen it's the third most resource-hungry DE after Unity and KDE. Even in Fallback, it probably still uses more resources than XFCE, and definitely uses much more resources than Mate. There's a good blog piece from 2013 on memory usage of DEs here, complete with a bar graph: https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Internet
meet.jit.si is OK, but unreliable: It worked fine once, and not at all another one. That was a fine way to make free software unattractive to the person I was trying to reach. The first time made an impression though, but the second impression was more impactful. As for Jitsi itself, when it works, it's great. The problem is, at first you have to dig through the multiple choice window and figure out you need an xmpp account after a long while (There's the possibility of SIP, Facebook and some other stuff... It's great to have options, but it's better to keep it simple and make one option more obvious than others. (And explaining the process should be done there, it takes only one line of text). Even creating account isn't an easy task. I recently tried to create two adresses (I think it was on the Jappix website: one worked, the other didn't. Great... But it's not supposed to be stable yet (I think).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 Desktop Environment.
I'm not into telling anyone what to do or not to do, but I think it's worth asking you to consider what impression that picture and SuperTramp83's comment would give a women browsing these forums to see if she was welcome and respected in the Trisquel community. Not judging, just inviting reflection and awareness.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
I see that the functionality is listed in the specs, but even after installing unar (an extra step one has to be aware of?), I can't make it work :/ I'll look further into it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 Desktop Environment.
>> Then in the process of changing distros (I'm a distro hopper) I accidentally deleted the configuration file. I didn't have the heart to go back and go through the process of getting it back the way I wanted it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could a Lutris fork be used to create a libre replacement for SteamOS?
I largely agree with the point you aim to make, Onpon, but there are a few claims you have made above with which I beg to differ. Firstly, although I'm not a fortune teller, there do seem to be several 'work' applications for VR, some of which are already emerging. I recall reading about its use in training for employees in some occupation (medicine?), acting as a kind of simulator. It could also be a major frontier in 'blind testing' for hiring employees, allowing the concept to be expanded to professions where a document/image/etc. isn't enough to allow skill to be evaluated. Secondly, although I have no doubts you have never seen a video call done with a phone, it does happen reasonably often. At least among teenagers in my corner of the world, many individuals use Apple's "FaceTime" software to do exactly that, though using an iPad is admittedly more common (understandably). I doubt any similar practice will be possible in the free-software world for a long time (why anybody would want to use small screens and keys anyway still eludes me), but it does happen. Just as a point of note, too, I believe I read in the same article as the 'use in occupation' statement came from that there were plans to develop some sort of 'OpenGL-like thing for VR'. Not sure if it's true/likely/etc., but that should at least provide a foot in the door for free software. That's assuming, of course, that VR takes off, climate change is managed, resource production stabilises, and that nobody decides nuclear warfare is a good idea. If all that happens, I suspect free software will be valued more as an ideal inherently.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could a Lutris fork be used to create a libre replacement for SteamOS?
> flatscreens don't offer anything significantly more useful than CRTs for desktops and TVs This is completely untrue. There are two major reasons LCD screens became the norm rather than CRTs: they're much more power-efficient, and they're much more lightweight. In fact, CRT screens are better than LCD screens in terms of how the picture looks (LCDs look worse if you look at them from the wrong angle), but we collectively decided that the added weight and power usage wasn't worth that benefit, and that the cost of plasma displays wasn't worth that benefit either. > touchscreens are gradually replacing non-touch flatscreens on laptops, and will eventually do the same on desktops (assuming they continue to exist at all). Touchscreens are useful because they're cheap and versatile. That makes them a perfect choice on a small phone if you want to cut down the cost. They are also marginally useful on laptops because the traditional alternative (the touchpad) is unweildly, and you don't always have space for a real mouse. If they ever start getting made for desktop computers, I would expect this to be as an afterthought. I doubt this or extinction is where desktop computers are going; it seems to me more likely that they will become media centers attached to a TV and mostly controlled by a remote, game controller, or wireless keyboard. > Another example, even though there are still plenty of uses for cheap 1-2GB USB drives, the smallest size you can buy continues to go up. This is a quantitative improvement. Higher amounts of RAM are not novel, they're just better. > Eventually, it will seem as silly to buy a flatscreen (touch or otherwise) as it is now to buy a CRT. This is nonsense. There are plenty of applications where you would want more than one person looking at a screen, or where you would want to be able to see things other than the screen. There are very few applications (i.e. VR games) where you would want the opposite.
Re: [Trisquel-users] "fork" trisquel
I think it's mostly a lack of volunteers. Beyond that making it work like a wiki where where anyone can come along and do anything is an absolutely horrible and dangerous idea. No distro works like that. Not even Debian does. It's not as if, in Debianland, absolutely anyone can walk up upload anything they want into the Debian repos. They have a process established. You have to work with them for a while. Prove that you are trustworthy. Have other already-existing Debian developer(s) advocate for you. etc. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer There is a whole process. An example in Trisquelland might be people sending in patches for Helpers to the mailing list of making pull requests through the GitLab instance. Let that go on for a while. Other people should absolutely have to review things done by other people. Especially so if that person has a new account. Trust is earned, not bestowed.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could a Lutris fork be used to create a libre replacement for SteamOS?
> I remember being told in the 90s that because those were "specialized equipment that not everyone has", I was wasting my time with teaching activists to use websites and email lists. There's a big difference between something that is only useful for particular kinds of games and something that is useful for real work. The Internet is and always has been a long-distance communication system with real-world applications. It also wasn't novel in any sense until the dot-com boom, which happened long after its establishment. PCs were also always useful for real work. Traditionally that work was typing up and printing documents. This wasn't exciting or novel, either; it was just a better, albeit more expensive tool than e.g. a typewriter. > Dance Dance Revolution, SingStar, GuitarHero, implemented in VR I don't think you understand how difficult it would be to program any of these. Just using buttons is far easier, and the VR version is not so much better that the extra effort is worth it (if it's even better at all; how would Guitar Hero benefit from VR?). > Everyone else I know uses them *lots*. I have never seen anyone take out their phone and hold it out in front of their face to video call someone. I have seen lots of people take out their phone and do a plain old phone call. You seem to be missing the point: science fiction writers imagined that video calls would replace audio calls because they make it more like talking to someone in person, but they haven't, and for good reason: they're more inconvenient than they're worth in most situations. People use Skype at their computers while doing things like playing multiplayer games, or for video hangouts, or other occasions like that. Standard phone calls are still used for everything else. Heck, a lot of people don't even stream video when they do Skype calls. They just use it like a traditional phone in those cases. > I see no reason to think VR conferencing will be any different I see a reason: there isn't a demand to "conference" with a bunch of cartoon avatars that move. If you want to see the people you're talking to, you want to see the actual people. VR can't do that any better than plain old video streams. > a group of people using VR could play any tabletop game together over the net Surely you must be joking. That doesn't require VR at all; there are plenty of examples of computer board game programs with net connectivity. VR would just make the programming substantially more difficult. Also, this is first-person, as is the painting example you described. The character is you, controlling the board game pieces. To say that it's not first-person because the first-person view and virtual reality experience is an entirely pointless layer on top of the actual game you're playing is kind of silly.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could a Lutris fork be used to create a libre replacement for SteamOS?
One more point; flatscreens don't offer anything significantly more useful than CRTs for desktops and TVs, but who still uses a CRT? Similarly, touchscreens are gradually replacing non-touch flatscreens on laptops, and will eventually do the same on desktops (assuming they continue to exist at all). Another example, even though there are still plenty of uses for cheap 1-2GB USB drives, the smallest size you can buy continues to go up. The reason is economies of scale; once enough units of the newer technology are being produced, the cost of producing them is lowered to the point where it's the same or even cheaper than producing the old technology, at which point there's no reason to keep producing the older technology if the newer one does the same things and more. Initially, only early adopters will buy VR headsets. As a wider range of applications are developed for them, making them more and more general purpose, more hardware startups will try to bootstrap themselves using this new market, and the technology will become smaller and cheaper. Eventually, it will seem as silly to buy a flatscreen (touch or otherwise) as it is now to buy a CRT. Of course, all of this assumes of course that we solve the energy crisis precipitated by peak oil, mitigate climate change sufficiently to prevent human extinction (or at least the end of technological civilization), and learn to recycle electronics efficiently enough to make them sustainable at all. But if we don't do these things, software freedom will become irrelevant anyway, because there will be no computers to run software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could a Lutris fork be used to create a libre replacement for SteamOS?
Not only do I disagree with your interpretations, we don't even seem to be looking at the same reality. I'm not sure where in the world you live, and I can only based my comments on what I observe going on here in Aotearoa, which tends to be a weird mix of the stubbornly backwards and the techno-utopian. >> plus it requires specialized equipment that not everyone has. > Exactly the same as the Wii, in other words. they aren't generally more useful than simple audio calls Right now, we're at the height of the popularity of VR. It, too, will end. Heck, I wouldn't put it past VR to end with a big market crash.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Could a Lutris fork be used to create a libre replacement for SteamOS?
> You turn your head to the left and see whatever is to your left in the VR environment without having to do it with your hands. Yes, and this is not generally useful for game design. It's a novelty, and it's much more complex than the more traditional alternatives, plus it requires specialized equipment that not everyone has. Exactly the same as the Wii, in other words. > immersive gaming experience that was only recently the stuff of sci fi (think HoloDeck). Of course they are more useful for game design! I honestly don't understand why you would say that they are not. Another thing that was the stuff of science fiction was video phone calls. We don't do those very much even though we easily could, because they aren't generally more useful than simple audio calls. Just because something is cool doesn't mean it's going to really be useful enough for people to keep doing it when it becomes possible. Immersion is really not that useful for games as a general rule, beyond a certain point. Games are by their very nature escapist, and the more you immerse the player into the game, the more you make their human limitations factor into the game experience. Additionally, VR can only be used for first-person games, by its very nature, or it's not VR anymore. So there aren't anywhere near as many different kinds of VR games you can develop as non-VR games. > light guns and motion control aren't really good examples of the point you are trying to make. Current consoles support equivalents of both Sure, they still exist, but today they're just gimmicks that no one really cares about. The most common controls today (excluding touchscreen-based games, which are a different market) are still keyboard and mouse, and a dual-analog gamepad. The height of the popularity of light guns ended decades ago, and the height of the popularity of motion controls ended years ago. Consoles still push them to some extent because they're obsolete and have been for over a decade; they need gimmicks to stay relevant. Right now, we're at the height of the popularity of VR. It, too, will end. Heck, I wouldn't put it past VR to end with a big market crash.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
File-Roller supports using unar now and has for quite some time. I don't know about Engrampa, though.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Multimedia
Picard
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
That was a response to Magic Banana, not you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Internet
> There's got to be an alternative to closed-source Skype and WhatsApp. Yes... it's called Jitsi. Or you can use Pidgin. Either through any XMPP server, or in the case of Jitsi, through meet.jit.si (I gather that the latter is easier, but haven't tried it yet).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
I do have one, with one line being "Retirer le volume sans risque". Oh, wait, not on a file, but on the disk name in the sidebar on the left. My mistake. Well, It does unmount, but doesn't go all the way (the disk is still on), because I'm " not authorized to perform operation"... Well, keep in mind that I messed with my install a whole lot, So it's to be expected. But I'm pretty sure It goes fine on my Debian netinstall (fairly untweaked). And since I don't install the dependencies by default, I shouldn't have nautilus-wipe either, though I'll have to confirm.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
The option of opening a .rar without the CLI would be nice indeed. Some other options (didn't try any of these): https://superuser.com/questions/110681/is-there-a-free-ubuntu-unrar-gui By the way, it's getting hard to read. Is there a way to make an online poll somehow? I enjoy it nonetheless, I'm discovering tons of cool programs.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8 Desktop Environment.
This sounds like microsoft in a nutshell... A screaming kicking spoiled child. ;)
Re: [Trisquel-users] gnuzilla filters down
Yep I noticed this as well...
Re: [Trisquel-users] First development alpha iso images of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas"
Hibernate sometimes doesn't work but suspend works on trisquel 7 so i don't see why it would be a problem... I really hope it doesn't have to come to that with hibernate, as for suspend it shouldn't need to happen at all.
Re: [Trisquel-users] First development alpha iso images of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas"
I have used Banshee in the past, and use Rhythmbox at present by way of not bothering to try something different. So after reading your messages I installed both Banshee and Exaile, and I found that I had to rule out Exaile because of these two things: -Intelligent library classification: Banshee and Rhythmbox classify the library by tracks. Exaile classifies the library by albums. So if I got an compilation album such as "Songs for Japan" with 37 tracks, each one by somebody different, in Banshee and Rhythmbox the 37 performers will show up in the library whereas in Exaile the 37 tracks will be attributed to a single one performer, 36 of then mistakenly, whilst the other 36 performers will be ignored. -"Playback error encountered! no suitable plugins found". Exaile can't play my music collection. Amongst Banshee and Rhythmbox I found that both allow for internet radio and Last.fm, but Banshee interface is visually better. So in spite of having said in the thread "Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Multimedia" that "I have beek OK so far with Rhythmbox.", Banshee is the one that I like the most and will be using from now on.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Graphics
Your comment has made me to open it and search throughtout the menus of gThumb viewer... nothing. Then, I noticed two icons at the right, that opened additional menus with tools, and sure, Red Eye Removal is there. So, I agree on gThumb over Shotwell or F-Spot.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Internet
We have a small disagreement I think is worth a bit of discussion...: -Ekiga: since, like, 2009, everytime I install a new system I look for Ekiga, install it if absent, and try to make it work... and fail. Still, I am willing to give it more chances. There's got to be an alternative to closed-source Skype and WhatsApp. -I suppose not much people use FileZilla, so it might not need to be present in the beginners' set. -An email client is the only way I know of getting guaranteed encrypted-e-mail extreme-to-extreme (now I have run out of hyphens). Yes, very few of my correspondants use encryption, and most of my mail goes unencrypted, but I want to keep the door open for that to change, and that door is offering everybody Icedove+Enigmail so they can start using encryption any moment they feel like doing it. -I take advantage of this post to say that any of Abrowser/IceCat are good for me, I forgot to mention them on my original post.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Graphics
Are you sure about that? I was a gThumb user a couple of years ago and remember the red eyes fix feature very well, as it was very easy to use and worked like a charm.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
I forgot about PeaZip - I had it in Ubuntu, but lost in when I moved in to Trisquel because it is not in the Trisquel repositories. I really like PeaZip. It may not open as many formats as File Roller (or Archive Manager) can, but I think that its cleanliness of interface make it better for beginners.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
We all know its a fork, so there is no need to have Caja and Nautilus installed when only Caja is needed for desktop rendering and file management. It is the default file manager for MATE and the Ubuntu MATE distro after all. If you haven't been aware of the Nautilus project the past few years, people actually like Caja and Nemo better as newer Nautilus releases have removed features. Caja and Nemo have retained the previous features and added some of their own. You can even install the newest Nemo (v3) from http://www.webupd8.org/2016/11/nemo-320-with-unity-patches-and-without.html for Ubuntu 16.04/Trisquel 8. I can see a point in using this if you are using Nautilus on Ubuntu, but MATE's Caja is more than enough.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Accessories
I already mentioned Evince, Okular and Cups in the Office section. Agree on Pfd Shuffler, and like Scribus too though get too idea it is of big size and don't know how widely it is used.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Graphics
Yes, of course Inkscape and GIMP are excellent, though I don't how widely used they are. I agree gThumb is good, as a matter of fact I have it installed. Hoever, gThumb lacks a feature which I find essential in a photo manager - red eyes fix. Both Shotwell and F-Spot have it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
I wasn't recommending it as the archive manager, I was just answering this part, as I like it for dem rars and for other few features. Peazip is great. >Unless it has changed since Trisquel, 'unrar-free' only supports old versions of RAR, whereas 'unar' supports later versions.
[Trisquel-users] Full list of Trisquel ISO (image) mirrors/servers
I've recently found http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/ from OMG Ubuntu article. I was staring eyes on http://mirror.fsf.org/trisquel-images/ for possible aplha,beta version of Trisquel 8.0, though I can understand that only final version can be found there. I've visited https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/mirroring-trisquel but haven't find mentioned mirror in the list. So, Can I've full list of mirrors where Trisquel ISO images including development (alpha,beta) versions can be found?
[Trisquel-users] gnuzilla filters down
It had been many days that the gnuzilla filters are down, what's wrong? http://gnuzilla.gnu.org/filters/blacklist.txt
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
I don't see a graphical archive manager there. Perhaps you misunderstand what p7zip-full is? Archive managers such as File-Roller use this to open encrypted 7z archives.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
The only thing I've seen of Peazip is that it isn't able to open the ReTux archives because it forbids including "|" as part of an entered password. I have nothing against Peazip, but I don't see why you would exchange a more capable archive manager for a less capable one.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
Peazip is great and supports everything AFAIK, but AFAIK it is not in the Bunnunntu repo. http://www.peazip.org/peazip-linux.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] First development alpha iso images of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas"
>Anything over Rhythmbox, which is notoriously buggy. I quite like Banshee, You may want to try Exaile.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Installation shortcuts in Trisquel 8 instead of pre-installed apps?
What you suggest basically is to make a menu from the current "Add/Remove Applications" (or whatever it is called), where a choice already exists (only graphical applications) and where applications already are categorized. In my opinion, showing all possible options in the main menu would be overwhelming. Some users would immediately give up on Trisquel (many users barely install anything by fear of wrong doing). Other users would start installing many applications (newbies have neither heard of Abrowser nor of IceCat, etc.), some of the randomly installed applications would not be user-friendly at all, many dependencies would get installed (e.g., GNOME libraries + KDE libraries + Mono + ...) and the system will end up being quite a mess: no integration between the different applications as in Trisquel 7 (between the different system tools, between the file manager and the archive manager and the backup system and ...), graphically different interfaces (Frankenstein monster's syndrome) and, of course, the system would not be minimal at all (including heavier on Trisquel's server: more updates to download).
[Trisquel-users] Re : Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
Unless it has changed since Trisquel, 'unrar-free' only supports old versions of RAR, whereas 'unar' supports later versions. Also, I see no need to substitute GNOME's archive manager, FileRoller. It is good.
[Trisquel-users] My five cents to the "Trisquel 8 Software Proposal" matter..
Hi these are my software proposal for Trisquel 8 PREFACE I'm far too lazy to divide my suggestions between all the topics already opened that's why I put them all in one post. I don't use the same groups all the topics already opened use. I refer to Debian's package name (exception made for Abrowser) but I am confident you are able to find Ubuntu one by yourself :-) BASIC SET (to keep the iso as small as possible) mate-desktop-environment-extras task-english task-laptop task-print-server Group "System Tools" bleachbit gdebi gnome-disk-utility gprename keepassx synaptic Group "Network Tools" gnome-bluetooth network-manager-gnome Group "Peripherals Tools" brasero cheese simple-scan system-config-printer Group "Multimedia -> Players/Viewers audacious vlc Group "Office" glabels libreoffice-calc libreoffice-writer Group "Internet" ABROWSER icedove pidgin EXTENDED SET Group "Home" homebank sweethome3d sweethome3d-furniture Group "Internet" liferea qbittorrent Group "Multimedia -> Collections" calibre griffith guayadeque shotwell Group "Multimedia -> Dvd Authoring" imagination devede Group "Multimedia -> Editors" audacity gimp openshot Group "Multimedia -> Rippers" asunder handbrake Group "Multimedia -> Tools" easytag Group "Software Development" geany geany-plugins git
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Graphics
For the photo manager, I'd like to mention gThumb. I only used it briefly a long while back, but I remember it being pretty nice and working with images in already existing directory structure. It also seems to be more actively developed than F-spot.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Graphics
From my experience, it doesn't. MyPaint is a painting program aimed at graphic tablet users, resembling a traditional drawing experience in many ways. While it does offer advanced functions, it's image manipulation abilities are very limited from what I can remember. I don't think a selection tool is even present. I don't think the average user would utilize MyPaint a lot. GIMP is aimed at image manipulation and while complex, I don't remember seeing any program that would be notably simpler yet offer advanced enough features.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Please contritube to Trisquel 8!
Can some of you please help Salman (who is working on the installer) & update the page with users proposals https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/flidas-release-issues I personnaly have no time actually ( i just spent 6 month working on the french wiki) and it's no longer possible for me to spend x hours per day on this project..
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Graphics
**GIMP** AND **ImageMagic**
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Accessories
Evince, qpdfview or Okular, Pdf Chain or Pdf Shuffler
[Trisquel-users] Installation shortcuts in Trisquel 8 instead of pre-installed apps?
It just occurs to me that there might be a way to completely sidestep the debates about the default application set in Trisquel 8. What if we don't install any apps by default that aren't essential to the running of the base OS and the desktop environment? Instead, we fill the application menu with installation shortcuts to all the mature GNU/Linux apps we think people might want to use. This might require a second layer of categories. For example, when I mouse-over 'internet' it brings up a list of application *types*, eg browser, email, download manager. When I mouse-over 'browser', it brings up a list of browsers, eg ABrowser, IceCat etc When a user clicks on the shortcut, the app installs from the repos. Once it's installed, it either replaces the secondary category altogether (eg when I install IceCat it replaces 'web browser' in the 'Internet' menu), or there is a visual change in it's menu item to indicate that it's installed and ready to use. The second option might be better, as it allows people to test multiple apps in the same subcategory to see which they prefer. Pros: * the default installation is super-minimal * we don't have to haggle over mutually exclusive options * we can offer users trivially easy access to a wide range of user apps without having to install them all by default * users aren't installing a set of apps they may never use with their OS, just because there are other users that do use them * users migrating from Windows or MacOSX are likely to see cross-platform apps they are familar with, and can choose to use those without having to learn how to install non-default apps from repos using existing methods (Synaptic, Apt-get etc). This will help them feel more at home on Trisquel. Cons: * good chance of confusing people who are used to the traditional approach of a default app set * there are probably others but I can't think of them right now
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : System Tools
Sybaptic, Hardinfo, Modem Manager GUI. Packages: randr, gworldclock, cups-pdf, dpkg-dev, gksu, libnotify-bin, p7zip-full, unrar-free, wmctr, xdotool
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Internet
Lynx
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Internet
* Ekiga? I vote no. I've never managed to get it to work, and WebRTC systems like Meet.jit.si and Palava.tv make a local app for voice/ video chat obselete. Put Ekiga in the repos for anyone who knows how to use it and wants to. * I vote for Transmission. It's always worked fine for me and it's cross-platform, which means there's a better chance someone migrating to Trisquel from Windows or MacOSX will have used it. Does anyone even use eMule anymore? * Filezilla? I vote no. I haven't used an FTP client for at least a decade, CMS have made them mostly obselete. Put it in the repos for those who want to use it. * I abstain on the question of email client. I mostly use webmail, but I can see an argument for encouraging people to keep their own mail on their local drive, managed via a local client. If I had to choose I would prefer IceDove to Evolution. * Does anyone other than ubergeeks like us actually use RSS? Confession: I don't :P * Does anyone use local IM clients? If we need it, Pidgin is a good choice, as it's cross-platform (see my point on Transmission).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Multimedia
WinFF
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Office
Seconded.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Internet
I know very few people who use offline email clients at all. IceDove would be a better choice than Thunderbird, and also provides support XMPP and IRC. A client for GNU Social and other free code social media apps would be great, but I can't suggest one.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Office
Document editor: LibreOffice - yes! Dictionary: Mate Dictionary - ok. PDF viewer? Text Editor: MousePad or LeafPad? I know this is usually in Accessories but I think it would be easier for new users to find under Office. I often want to quickly tap out some text without risking a web-based text field losing my work, and without loading the bulk of a full document editor just to type plain text. User-friendly support for printers/ faxes/ scanners would be great too.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Development of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas" Software proposal by category : Office
I'm not sure how necessary a desktop email client is these days, but an address book and a calendar are definitely useful things to have, as contact and information information is sensitive, and should be stored on and accessed from a local drive with a local app, even if there is some secure integration with online apps. I like the way I can pop up a month view from the desktop toolbar, but it would be even better if whatever backend program supports this could also support other calendar functions like adding events/ appointments, synchronizing with online calendar apps (eg CozyCloud, NextCloud, Hubzilla) etc. It would be great if I could access my local address book from a webmail client like RoundCube (used by RiseUp and OpenMailBox), with appropriate authentication. Does Zimbra do these sorts of things?
Re: [Trisquel-users] First development alpha iso images of Trisquel 8.0 "Flidas"
Thanks so much to Reuben and everyone else who has worked on this alpha release. I look forward to testing whatever is the latest test version when I get back home after summer.
