Re: [Trisquel-users] Other GNU/Linux-libre distro?

2017-10-12 Thread hd-scania
[code]deb tor+http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh  
main

deb tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian testing main contrib
deb tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security testing/updates main  
contrib

deb tor+http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib

deb tor+http://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/deb/r4.0/vm stretch main
deb tor+http://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/deb/r4.0/vm stretch-securitytesting main
deb tor+http://devrepo.subgraph.com/subgraph aaron main

deb tor+http://packages.linuxmint.com betsy main upstream import
deb tor+http://extra.linuxmint.com betsy main
deb tor+http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main

deb-src tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian testing main contrib
deb-src tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian-security testing/updates  
main contrib

deb-src tor+http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib

deb-src tor+http://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/deb/r4.0/vm stretch main
deb-src tor+http://ftp.qubes-os.org/repo/deb/r4.0/vm stretch-securitytesting  
main

deb-src tor+http://devrepo.subgraph.com/subgraph aaron main

deb-src tor+http://packages.linuxmint.com betsy main upstream import
deb-src tor+http://extra.linuxmint.com betsy main
deb-src tor+http://www.deb-multimedia.org testing main[/code]
My EVERY software sources of my current Mint is here, nothing Ubuntu, instead  
my Mint is a compound between Mint × Qubes × subgraph, with the common  
Debian codebase, so my Mint is LMDE. Below is my software sources for  
Lubuntu,
[code]deb tor+http://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/ freesh  
main

deb tor+http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful main universe
deb tor+http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful-updates main universe
deb tor+http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu artful partner
deb tor+http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-security main universe

deb-src tor+http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful main universe
deb-src tor+http://tw.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ artful-updates main universe
deb-src tor+http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu artful partner
deb-src tor+http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu artful-security main  
universe[/code]
With appending Linux-libre over this Ubuntu and disable EVERY  
‘‘restricted’’ and ‘‘multiverse’’ (nonfree) components, will  
Ubuntu be still a treachery against our security and privacy?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Other GNU/Linux-libre distro?

2017-10-12 Thread hd-scania
Of course Ubuntu is NOT looked to be good, this is why I stand Mint here for  
LMDE (and NOT Ubuntu Mint).
For Debian, Mint, Devuan, nonfree is obviously evil which I NEVER probe  
nonfree but what are problems from contrib?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Other GNU/Linux-libre distro?

2017-10-12 Thread masonhock
Parabola is a great alternative. I'm using it on one of my machines and love  
it. Assuming that the only difference between Devuan and Debian is not using  
systemd, then that is also a good option as long as you don't use the  
non-free and contrib repositories. However, Ubuntu and Mint are not good  
alternatives as they do not respect your freedom. If you are happy with  
Parabola, I suggest you continue using that.


[Trisquel-users] Other GNU/Linux-libre distro?

2017-10-12 Thread hd-scania
I was a Trisquel user but now using pacman-based Parabola GNU/Linux-libre,  
and appending Linux-libre into Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Devuan (all 3 Deb-based  
like Trisquel), and are they good alternatives with Trisquel, which you  
think?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread i_write_words
He's been here even longer than I have; there are similar threads for  
Trisquel 7 and Trisquel 6, at least.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Disconnection from network after waking computer from sleep

2017-10-12 Thread aaric
This computer uses Libreboot as installed by Libiquity, which apparently  
comes with its own bootloader . There seems to be an option to use the  
operating systems boot loader, but it errors something about not having  
unicode font file or whatever. It seems to have something in  
/boot/grub/fonts/unicode.pf2


There is no /etc/grub.d/01_PASSWORD on my computer.

Thanks for the help.


Re: [Trisquel-users] GPD Pocket

2017-10-12 Thread masonhock
Thanks for the links. Gearbest seems to only be selling the device with  
Windows 10, not Ubuntu. Do you know if the bootloader supports booting into  
and installing another OS from a USB drive?


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread ivan . baldinotti
Yep the ME deactivation comes from the project of Nicola Corna  
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner


I used it as well in the latest version to deactivate the ME and remove  
almost all the partitions in the ME region in my laptop.


Regarding the Purism, I actually found citation in their blog of the sources.  
For example here  
https://puri.sm/posts/reverse-engineering-the-intel-management-engine-romp-module/

They cite the russian developer and as well the me_cleaner project.

I also noticed in the last pull I did from the coreboot git repo a huge  
amount of push from them in the coreboot project.






Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread ivan . baldinotti
I am using the 8 downloaded from the jenkis repo since a while. I didn't have  
any problem so far. I daily receive new updates. I am running it in a pretty  
modern hardware, a quad core i7 Haswell laptop and it is very fast and  
stable. Everything works even the sleep and so on. I truly don't understand  
why people complain constantly.

@t3g just download it and install it :)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread dhood
The issue with Purism is several fold. The first issue is that Purism  
conflates the terms Open Source with Free Software when they are clearly  
different. The second issue is that Purism upsells its products as if they  
are going to be free as in free software on day one or shortly there after  
when it is clear that this is simply not possible based on their hardware  
choices. The third issue is that the main person behind Purism has conducted  
himself in a pretty ugly manner here on this forum, which rightfully rubbed  
many people the wrong way. Purism continues to hitch its wagon to Trisquel  
when no relationship exists, nor is any Trisquel software used in their  
systems. When you buy Purism products you are not getting a free as in  
freedom product and it is unlikely it will ever be free.


Purism seems to make a pretty nice, albeit very over priced open source  
product. They are comparable to System76 or ZaReason with Coreboot added for  
some models. PureOS is Debian testing (optionally free software), Coreboot  
(not free software, but open source), and I would expect other products by  
them to be in the same ilk. The "work" Purism claims to have done releated to  
Intel ME and Coreboot is just that, a claim of other project's work without  
giving credit. Purism is a confidence man operation, but if you look into it  
at all it becomes clear most of their claims are either exaggerated or false.


A Distro is a tool and there are many options for which distro one can  
choose. The notion that Trisquel has to have the latest and greatest or  
totally not exist is very flawed. For people like myself who want an LTS  
system and will ride that system out until its support life ends Trisquel is  
a great free as in freedom option. That of course is the whole point of an  
LTS system in the first place. If you want latest and greatest you want a  
rolling release distro like Parabola. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread 0d54770d
I think  tg3 has a valid point with this, as well as all of his other posts  
on this topic. If we're lucky, Trisquel 8 will be released at the same time  
as Ubuntu 18.04, which makes its packages outdated by two years. I know that  
Trisquel 7 still gets security updates, etc., but I have not found it to be  
reliable (it constantly freezes, and only a hard reset will allow me to  
continue; also, some of the applications also crash/freeze, like deja-dup,  
which is unacceptable for a backup solution, and there is no way to get a  
newer version of it on Trisquel 7).


I also understand that Ruben is working a full-time job, and that he can't  
put as much time into Trisquel 8 as we would like, so I'm not blaming him; I  
think that an honest approach for him would be to either reallocate his  
resources to help out another libre OS, and retire Trisquel for good, or else  
find a way to get enough developers to help him put out releases in a  
reasonable amount of time. I would personally love to help with Trisquel 8,  
but I'm not a developer, so I don't believe any contributions that I could  
make would help it to be released substantially sooner.


I know that people on this forum seem to hate Purism (for reasons that are,  
to me, unclear; in reading both the forums here, as well as everything that  
Purism has put out that I can find, there was no outright deception on their  
part, but a few instances where they misjudged what they could do, and made  
promises that they later couldn't fulfill), but they have been making a lot  
of progress on the free software front, even having their own libre  
distribution that not only up-to-date, it is also a rolling release, so there  
is much less concern that it would go the way of Trisquel 8.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Posteo vs Tutanota vs OpenMailbox

2017-10-12 Thread ryanpcmcquen

I ended up going with Tutanota, it is working quite well!


Re: [Trisquel-users] Posteo vs Tutanota vs OpenMailbox

2017-10-12 Thread ryanpcmcquen

Not quite, but thanks for looking into it!


Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I change the boot order so that my libreboot boots first from the USB drive?

2017-10-12 Thread masonhock
If you start a thread about your booting issue (what does the red "failed"  
message appear next to), I'm sure someone here can help you with it.


If you are frustrated the menu bar and other interface features, then your  
problem is not with Trisquel but with the desktop environment, GNOME. (Ubuntu  
now uses GNOME as its default too, by the way.) You can use a different  
desktop environment by installing it, clicking on the little Trisquel logo  
near your name at the login screen, and selecting it. If you want to use  
Ubuntu's previous default, for example, run $ sudo apt-get install unityand  
select Unity when you log in.


It will probably be easier to change the details in Trisquel that you are  
unhappy with than switching to a new distro. However, if you do want to stop  
using Trisquel, Debian or Parabola would both be viable options.


I'm using Parabola on my second laptop and love it, but it is not very  
beginner friendly. It does not have a graphical installer, and by default it  
has no desktop environment, so you'll have to already know which desktop  
environment you want and install it from the command line.


Debian would be much easier to get started with, as it has a graphical  
installer. Just make sure that after installing you edit  
\etc\apt\sources.list$ sudo nano \etc\apt\sources.list and delete the words  
"non-free" and "contrib" wherever they appear. This will remove the non-free  
repositories from the package manager, so you won't have to worry about  
accidentally installing non-free software.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread Ignacio Agulló
On 12/10/17 16:19, wrote:
> t3g, you are tiresome:

 On the contrary, he's not active enough.  We all have come to
passively accept as normal for Trisquel not to be updated.  Don't you
have a calendar? This month makes the third anniversary of the last
Trisquel release.  Count them: three years since the last release.

-- 
Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es



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Re: [Trisquel-users] Who of this community honestly runs Trisquel GNU/Linux?

2017-10-12 Thread leoo
No need to use MacOS to do Skype or Amazon.  Another GNU/Linux distro will do  
fine - not as free as a truly free OS, but freer than OSX.  If you like the  
Mac look and feel, try Ubuntu MATE or PCLinuxOS MATE and use the built in  
MATE Tweak tool to switch to the Cupertino look.


Of course the upcoming Trisquel 8 will also use the MATE desktop, but it  
won't support Skype or DRM'd content like Amazon.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Who of this community honestly runs Trisquel GNU/Linux?

2017-10-12 Thread leoo
ThinkPenguin doesn't offer old machines.  They offer current hardware.  The  
price you pay for that is you use the stock BIOS instead of LibreBoot, but if  
you're willing to do that, you can take advantage of modern CPUs and video  
cards.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Software-update arrives at a brick wall

2017-10-12 Thread greatgnu

bleachbit is good at freeing space (read the man first)


Re: [Trisquel-users] How do I change the boot order so that my libreboot boots first from the USB drive?

2017-10-12 Thread justinorthrop
Which do you recommend? The most crippling problem I had with my Triskell  
setup was that, gradually over time, Abrowser began to become slower and  
slower, and crash frequently. Other things I've noticed are that the boot  
time has increased, and there is a little red "failed" thing that started  
showing up occasionally and now always shows up. Bugs aside, I also found  
that, however free Triskell is in theory, in practice, I was stuck with a  
crappy stock menu bar and other things as well that I had no idea how to  
change.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Mouse double-clicks on screen even though I'm only single-clicking

2017-10-12 Thread elkingrey

Hah! It *is* a Logitech.

Will get a new mouse now.

Thanks you two!


Re: [Trisquel-users] apps

2017-10-12 Thread peter . kovac
I have my own prosody server running at home. I use Conversations client in  
Replicant and Pidgin on desktop.


[Trisquel-users] jdk 9 install

2017-10-12 Thread aggeliszotis

How to install jdk 9 to trisquel ?


Re: [Trisquel-users] apps

2017-10-12 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira
Rescently, I found out that the best strategy we have so far is actually
to recommend descentralized/federated communications/networks such as
XMPP/Jabber to the general public, and develop distributed ones "in the
background" for use when they are mature, friendly, easy and
"power-saving" enough. ;)

This goes in line with what Moglen suggested ([1]).

Prior to 2000 we *could* use the excuse that our recommendations weren't
"good enough" and still have patient people using it. Now, the good
enough excuse doesn't really serve us very well if the thing doesn't
even work in a minimum level.

I wrote a similar reply in Brazilian Portuguese to another
mailing/discussion list ([2]):

[1] 
https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/the-free-software-movement-in-the-age-of-trump/
 (under CC BY-SA 4.0)

[2] 
http://lists.libreplanet.org/archive/html/libreplanet-br/2017-10/msg00021.html

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Mouse double-clicks on screen even though I'm only single-clicking

2017-10-12 Thread enduzzer
I bet it's a Logitech. They have lousy micro switches that get worn out in a  
few years time. I had the exact same issue -- couldn't click on anything  
without opening all kinds of menus and dialogs.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread enduzzer

It's the official development Alpha version endorsed by Quidam (Ruben).

https://trisquel.info/en/forum/first-development-alpha-iso-images-trisquel-80-flidas


[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread lcerf

It is official... but alpha.


[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread lcerf

t3g, you are tiresome:

https://trisquel.info/forum/trisquel-8-almost-6-months-late-do-something-anything
https://trisquel.info/forum/trisquel-8-still-not-out-yet
https://trisquel.info/forum/reminder-current-version-trisquel-has-software-over-3-years-old



[Trisquel-users] Re : Mouse double-clicks on screen even though I'm only single-clicking

2017-10-12 Thread lcerf
It is almost certainly a hardware issue.  Borrow a mouse from somebody else  
and see.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread ellard99

Hi,

Is that an official download link? What is jenkins and what is the reason  
it's not just on the download page.
Sorry, I'm not so familiar with Trisquel. But I'm looking to use this as my  
main distro.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Free Software solutions for LabView

2017-10-12 Thread elr

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow-based_programming


[Trisquel-users] Mouse double-clicks on screen even though I'm only single-clicking

2017-10-12 Thread elkingrey

Hi all,

I've been suffering with this problem for months now. I've long thought it  
was just a software bug that would get fixed with an update. But it hasn't.


Now I'm not sure if it's a software bug or I just need to get a new mouse.

I've checked my settings to make sure everything is normal.

I'm not sure what's causing it, but it's a real pain to have it double click  
when you only want it to single click. Just imagine all of the troubles an  
unwanted double-click brings!


Any help is much appreciated.

Thanks.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

2017-10-12 Thread enduzzer

http://jenkins.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso/