Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

[hd-scania]

When I was on Trisquel for 0.5 years I was disappointed to its aging  
packages, so have started using Parabola which is rolling, but fortunately  
our Trisquel forum is still active and I have occasionally found our Flidas  
alpha these days, which Trisquel is still active and alive. If possible I  
need to work for the Trisquel service packs every 0.5 years, with liberating  
every non-LTS Ubuntu releases and their every LTS service packs, finally to  
be our own service pack.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

[hd-scania]

To t3g,
  If you are impatient anymore you should want Flidas alpha first, but you  
must accept ‘‘that’’ fate, I am also backing to Trisquel thru Flidas  
alpha.

  Regards,
HD Scania, an Eastern free software theorist and activist, want to be  
candidated to lead our GNU and FSF

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

[onpon4]

You can't relicense code you don't hold the copyright to.

What does "licenses suspectedly written to us" mean?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

[hd-scania]

Of course I WONT quit our Parabola anymore, but also I am backing to Trisquel  
tonight.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

[onpon4]

"freeware" and "free software" are not the same thing. "Freeware" typically  
refers to software which is available at no charge.


I don't know what you mean by "take denials against Torvalds".

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

[hd-scania]

Do you mean that, nonfreeware packages those aren’t blobs should be mostly  
‘‘nonfree’’ due to their licenses suspectedly written to us? If so we  
should need to re-license these nonfreeware sources under GPL to be free  
software?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Flidas beta × Parabola PCR × Rolling post-Flidas Trisquel?

[hd-scania]

There is not yet an GNUinOS.Openbox.amd64.iso, but anyway I have been on on  
Parabola, Hyperbola, Trisquel, Devuan, GNUstep OS, FreeSH, Uruk, LibertyBSD,  
these free systems projects are up to now enough to me, but I am still open  
to newer free systems projects and thanks.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Flidas beta × Parabola PCR × Rolling post-Flidas Trisquel?

[hd-scania]

For Debian and hence also Devuan, their testing is like a sense of rolling  
systems (but of course and in contrary their stable is LTS), and I mean  
making Parabola PCR to be a build system for every free software systems.  
Anyway and in my honesty I wont quit Parabola anymore, which I need to try  
the most free systems.

[Trisquel-users] Nouveau and Blobs

[ivan . baldinotti]

It seems that to be able to use nouveau with a recent mobile GPU proprietary  
blobs are needed:  
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/393357/is-nouveau-completely-free-of-non-free-code


In fact trying to use nouveau in my laptop I end up with the message at boot  
that some firmware was required...

So no support for modern GPU in a free system

Re: [Trisquel-users] Flidas beta × Parabola PCR × Rolling post-Flidas Trisquel?

[calmstorm]

I have a better idea, make a devuan fork like gnuinos only, make it have two  
different stages, experimental and rolling release.


And make it free software in every way. make it the reverse of hyperbola  
gnu/linux is to parabola gnu/linux.


look up hyperbola.info to get an idea...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

[ivan . baldinotti]

Ah ok, but I completely uninstalled it. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wiki page, disclaimer, does it make sense at all

[ivan . baldinotti]

I think that the wiki of Sakaki is very good.
If you have an external way to flash the firmware then you are quite safe,  
unless you make mistake on the connection. But it is quite difficult.
I reflashed the firmware many many times with incremental changes and I had  
always a backup ready. One of the flash end up also in a brick but flashing  
back the prior version solved the problem.
For the x230 you can even flash coreboot (lucky you)  
https://www.coreboot.org/Board:lenovo/x230

It is written that the only way to flash the ME is externally.
You can use this guide as well:  
https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner/wiki/External-flashing
I think you could get a pretty close to freedom laptop even more than I  
achieved.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wiki page, disclaimer, does it make sense at all

[masonhock]

Thanks for the information. If you ever change your mind about sharing the  
howto, I think having the information consolidated in a clear guide would be  
very valuable as well. I have wanted to deactivate the ME on my x230 for a  
while but haven't had the courage yet.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Purism working on libre phone

[svhaab]

The librem 5 is funded.
It shows insterest in libre software phones.

https://www.crowdsupply.com/purism/librem-15
It was unfortunate, Stallman was mentioned in an seeming supportive context.

https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/the-apple-is-still-rotten-why-you-should-avoid-the-new-iphone
Likewise mentioning it without referring to the librem 15 controversy and not  
detailing which devices on the phone cannot be libre software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Flidas beta × Parabola PCR × Rolling post-Flidas Trisquel?

[masonhock]

You can't use Parabola's repository with Trisquel, and there is no reason to  
because you can use Parabola's repository with Parabola. The Ubuntu->Trisquel  
migration scripts will only work  for the intended version of Ubuntu. If you  
want to use Debian or Devuan you can just remove "non-free" and "contrib"  
from \etc\apt\sources.list, but Debian and Devuan are not rolling either.  
Assuming that you have been sincere in your recent posts and aren't trolling,  
you will probably be happiest if you simply continue to use Parabola.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Trisquel 8... where are you?

[lcerf]

After the live system boots, if you wait enough (30s?) without touching the  
keyboard/mouse, the screen reader starts (Trisquel assumes you are blind).   
Ca, you disable it from the "Seeing" tab of "Universal Access" in the "System  
Settings"?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware?

[vitacell]

Maybe a dockstation, it costs about 20€, and CPU Intel T9600.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Hardware?

[ivan . baldinotti]

https://h-node.org/hardware/catalogue/en

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

[masonhock]

You won't find a silver bullet that that magically removes all non-free  
packages and leaves you with a working system. Even if you used deblob-check  
to test all source code for blobs and found that everything flagged is either  
unnecessary or can be rebuilt with the blobs removed, you would still have to  
research the licenses, as they can't be automatically detected from the  
source code. I'm sure that there are other challenges I'm unaware of. If an  
arbitrary OS could be liberated in a day there would be a Trisquel release  
immediately after each Ubuntu release.

[Trisquel-users] Hardware?

[davidh888]

Hello, I recently acquired a Thinkpad T400 with Libreboot and Trisquel 7  
installed. It also has an Atheros AR5B95 wireless card. Basically my question  
is this: I want to have this machine be fully dedicated to Linux and FSF  
approved software. In general, I would like to add any additional hardware to  
it that will help it run better, and be as secure as possible. I know this is  
a wide question, but what are some hardware options I can add to it to help  
it be more secure and just plain run better and be fully dedicated to FSF and  
Linux? Go easy on me, I'm new to Linux so I apologize if this question is too  
general. Any help is appreciated.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

[dhood]

Trisquel is not a rolling release distro, niether is the distro it is based  
on. If you want cutting edge use Parabola, it doesn't mean there is something  
wrong with  Trisquel. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

[onpon4]

vrms doesn't work on Linux Mint. Mint uses its own packages which are jumbled  
in sections with no regard to whether they're libre or not, and those  
sections are what vrms depends on to work.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

[ivan . baldinotti]

PS on here a nice discussion:  
https://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/6xvdii/libreboot_vs_librem/

Re: [Trisquel-users] Wiki page, disclaimer, does it make sense at all

[ivan . baldinotti]

Here a good wiki about the topic:  
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Sakaki%27s_EFI_Install_Guide/Disabling_the_Intel_Management_Engine#imt_check

Re: [Trisquel-users] libreboot flashing t400, raspberry pi to soic wiring?

[svhaab]

Thank you. I am not sure, I would have found the download link myself. I  
installed the bios update utility. An update was installed.

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

+1 archive.org. ;)

Also, found out that YouTube seems to make the webpage refresh and
revert the copy-paste stack of your operating system if you happen to
copy some text from inside the videos' webpages. So I do agree: Avoid
YouTube all-together, and also avoid sharing YouTube links. ;)

"J.B. Nicholson"  writes:

> a...@ncf.ca wrote:
>> Is there a reason that Google/YouTube won't do full-screen video in
>> Internet Explorer?
>
> We're not Google or YouTube's tech support.
>
>> I wondered whether Youtube/Google was diminishing compatibility with
>> their competitors' web browsers to give their own web browser an
>> advantage in the market.
> Perhaps so; you should try asking them since it's their webpage. As
> far as any free software distro mailing list ought to be concerned,
> this might be a fight between software proprietors and you'd be better
> off finding the videos you seek elsewhere, or using a free program
> such as youtube-dl to download the videos (which I understand doesn't
> execute the non-free JS code YouTube serves), or skipping them in
> favor of videos that favor free software. archive.org hosts many such
> videos and doesn't require non-free software to work with at all.
>
> I certainly recommend avoiding non-free software such as Windows,
> Google Chrome, and the non-free code in YouTube altogether.
>

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[Trisquel-users] Re : Uruk GNU/Linux 2.0 (Alpha)

[pinmaritim]

what does the Guix-install.sh
It's an executable script, run it and it will install Guix for you ;-)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk GNU/Linux 2.0 (Alpha)

[strypey]

As mentioned in a thread about waiting for Trisquel 8, I just put a new SSD  
disk in my old Aspire One, and I'm trying Uruk 2.0 alpha as a live disk.  
Based on what I've read here, and my experiences using Cinammon and Mate with  
Mint, I'm definitely going to try an install to the new drive.


One question; what does the Guix-install.sh do? Do I need to run it, and if  
so, at what stage of the install? If there is any reference to this on the  
project website I can't see it.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk GNU/Linux 2.0 (Alpha)

[strypey]

There are both 32-bit and 64-bit versions available to download on the  
project page.

[Trisquel-users] Flidas beta × Parabola PCR × Rolling post-Flidas Trisquel?

[hd-scania]

http://devel.trisquel.info/makeiso/iso
Your alpha was out this June with LXQt mini ISO missing, but your beta is not  
yet ready, so before beta is aired I also want Parabola PCR to be available  
for Trisquel since Flidas beta, with surely mini is available with LXQt.
Parabola is rolling, whose broken things are soon got fixed, though being a  
few less unstable. So will Trisquel also work for liberating a rolling Debian  
derivative (best is Devuan testing or Kali), instead of Ubuntu?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

[hd-scania]

LXQt mini missing, but is Flidas now gone beta? No reasons to let LXQt mini  
missing since beta.
I have just quit Trisquel and have been afterwards staying in Parabola, this  
is my dissatisfaction to years ago Trisquel software. Unlikely Parabola ships  
cutting edged free software using rolling, Trisquel is needed too.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

[hd-scania]

The vrms program will analyze the set of currently-installed packages on a  
Debian system, and report all of the packages from the non-free tree (and,  
optionally, from contrib) which are currently installed.
The vrms package is however somewhat misleading since its name suggests it  
has to do with RMS while it in facts follows the Debian definition of free.  
For example things under the GFDL are considered non-free by Debian and free  
by RMS.
Said the FSF directories. But what are mistaken not approving vrms under GNU  
or FSF? This directory has not explicitly told what are mistaken, what are  
the (possible) conflicts between GPL and DFSG?
Because of the nonfree Debian kernels Debian has no policies against nonfree  
drivers and firmware, but yes against nonfree front ends outside DFSG. Why  
vrms still cant be approved under GNU and FSF?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Other GNU/Linux-libre distro?

[hd-scania]

Honestly Parabola is NOW the best free system to me, even over Trisquel,  
limited to LTS the old Belenos is quite aging and I need to back to Trisquel  
thru Flidas alpha.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

[lap4fsf]

Hi gd_scania,

FYI, vrms follows Debian's definitions of free software rather than that of  
the GNU project.[1]


Richard M Stallman ** DOES NOT ** agree with many of the views expressed by  
the program's output. Free Software Foundation lists vrms among packages that  
don't respect its Free System Distribution Guidelines.[2]


In my earlier days with Debian GNU/Linux, I too had installed the package,  
thinking it was a tool to liberate my computer. Later I understood my mistake  
and promptly removed it from my installation.


DON'T think that simply removing those packages proposed by vrms will make  
your Linux Mint free/liberated like a magic!


References:
[1] http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/gnewsense-users/2007-02/msg00027.html
[2]  
http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/List_of_software_that_does_not_respect_the_Free_System_Distribution_Guidelines#vrms

Re: [Trisquel-users] Other GNU/Linux-libre distro?

[hd-scania]

GNU GuixSD is NOT YET productional and not recommended to you unless you  
accept this fate, but I am willing to get help porting the GNU Guix package  
manager to Parabola, Trisquel, Devuan, Uruk and will be a project under my  
FreeGit.

[Trisquel-users] Linux Mint liberated!

[hd-scania]

hd-sca...@users.sf.net, [15.10.17 14:12]
[Forwarded from hd-sca...@users.sf.net]
hd_scania@hardened ~ $ aptitude search vrms
p   vrms   
   - virtual Richard M. Stallman

hd_scania@hardened ~ $ sudo apt install -y vrms && sudo vrms
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  vrms
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 302 not upgraded.
Need to get 12.5 kB of archives.
After this operation, 39.9 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 tor+http://cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org/debian testing/main amd64 vrms all  
1.18 [12.5 kB]

Fetched 12.5 kB in 1s (9,020 B/s)
Selecting previously unselected package vrms.
(Reading database ... 235533 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../apt/archives/vrms_1.18_all.deb ...
Unpacking vrms (1.18) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.6.1-2) ...
Setting up vrms (1.18) ...
   Non-free packages installed on hardened.mint

atmel-firmware  Firmware for Atmel at76c50x wireless  
networking chips.

bluez-firmware  Firmware for Bluetooth devices
firmware-atherosBinary firmware for Atheros wireless  
cards

firmware-bnx2   Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtremeII
firmware-bnx2x  Binary firmware for Broadcom NetXtreme II  
10Gb
firmware-brcm80211  Binary firmware for Broadcom 802.11  
wireless cards
firmware-intelwimax Binary firmware for Intel WiMAX  
Connection
firmware-ipw2x00Binary firmware for Intel Pro Wireless  
2100, 2200 and
firmware-ivtv   Binary firmware for iTVC15-family MPEG  
codecs (ivtv an

firmware-iwlwifiBinary firmware for Intel Wireless cards
firmware-libertas   Binary firmware for Marvell Libertas 8xxx  
wireless car
firmware-linux  Binary firmware for various drivers in  
the Linux kerne
firmware-linux-nonfree  Binary firmware for various drivers in  
the Linux kerne
firmware-qlogic Binary firmware for QLogic IBA7220,  
QLA1xxx, ISP2xxx a

firmware-ralink Binary firmware for Ralink wireless cards
firmware-realtekBinary firmware for Realtek wired and  
wireless network


Contrib packages installed on hardened.mint

virtualbox-guest-dkms   x86 virtualization solution - guest  
addition module so
virtualbox-guest-utils  x86 virtualization solution - non-X11  
guest utilities
virtualbox-guest-x11x86 virtualization solution - X11 guest  
utilities


hd-sca...@users.sf.net, [15.10.17 14:12]
[Forwarded from hd-sca...@users.sf.net]
16 non-free packages, 0.7% of 2166 installed packages.
  3 contrib packages, 0.1% of 2166 installed packages.
hd_scania@hardened ~ $ sudo apt purge -sy atmel-firmware bluez-firmware  
firmware-atheros firmware-bnx2 firmware-bnx2x firmware-brcm80211  
firmware-intelwimax firmware-ipw2x00 firmware-ivtv firmware-iwlwifi  
firmware-libertas firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-qlogic  
firmware-ralink firmware-realtek virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils  
virtualbox-guest-x11

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  atmel-firmware* bluez-firmware* firmware-atheros* firmware-bnx2*  
firmware-bnx2x* firmware-brcm80211* firmware-intelwimax* firmware-ipw2x00*  
firmware-ivtv* firmware-iwlwifi*
  firmware-libertas* firmware-linux* firmware-linux-nonfree* firmware-qlogic*  
firmware-ralink* firmware-realtek* virtualbox-guest-dkms*  
virtualbox-guest-utils* virtualbox-guest-x11*

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 19 to remove and 299 not upgraded.
Purg atmel-firmware [1.3-4]
Purg bluez-firmware [1.2-3]
Purg firmware-atheros [0.43]
Purg firmware-bnx2 [0.43]
Purg firmware-bnx2x [0.43]
Purg firmware-brcm80211 [0.43]
Purg firmware-intelwimax [0.43]
Purg firmware-ipw2x00 [0.43]
Purg firmware-ivtv [0.43]
Purg firmware-iwlwifi [0.43]
Purg firmware-libertas [0.43]
Purg firmware-linux [0.43]
Purg firmware-linux-nonfree [0.43]
Purg firmware-qlogic [0.43]
Purg firmware-ralink [0.43]
Purg firmware-realtek [0.43]
Purg virtualbox-guest-dkms [4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1]
Purg virtualbox-guest-x11 [4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1]
Purg virtualbox-guest-utils [4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1]
hd_scania@hardened ~ $ sudo apt purge -y atmel-firmware bluez-firmware  
firmware-atheros firmware-bnx2 firmware-bnx2x firmware-brcm80211  
firmware-intelwimax firmware-ipw2x00 firmware-ivtv firmware-iwlwifi  
firmware-libertas firmware-linux firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-qlogic  
firmware-ralink firmware-realtek virtualbox-guest-dkms virtualbox-guest-utils  
virtualbox-guest-x11 && vrms

Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel 8... where are you?

[ivan . baldinotti]

This is a good idea