Re: [Trisquel-users] [Poll] Should Trisquel 9 be Based on Debian?

[jodiendo]

I vote "stay" in Ubuntu for know.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [Poll] Should Trisquel 9 be Based on Debian?

[jodiendo]

Supertramp
Remember my first libre gnu linux distro was trisquel 5. Of course I have  
migrated to other Gnu-Linux distros based on Debian, Because I have growth,  
becoming more understandable and knowledgeable in the matter.  Before I was  
reading and absorbing tons of information,just plain and simply learning.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [Poll] Should Trisquel 9 be Based on Debian?

[jodiendo]

Super tramp

Yes it is stable, but to learn debian it was not an easy one. But to be able  
to learn trisquel. it has been my fundamental curb for me.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [Poll] Should Trisquel 9 be Based on Debian?

[jodiendo]

I agree with you on this one.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Sparse file issue w/KVM

[marioxcc . MT]

Hello.

I have never used Whonix, and I have some experience with KVM, but I use it  
without libvirt.


How are you checking “the size” of the file? What is the output of the  
command (copy and paste it here or upload it as an attachment)?


If you use “ls -l”, this will tell you the logical file size. This is not  
necessarily the same as the space it uses on the file system. In particular,  
sparse files can use much less space than the size reported by “ls -l”.


Use “du --si FILE” (where “FILE” is the path to the file you want to  
examine) to know the approximate amount of space it is using on the file  
system; if this command gives around 100 GB then you know that the file is  
not being created as sparse; the next step would be to investigate further  
this problem; else you will have to continue looking for the source of the  
problem elsewhere.


Are you sure that you have enough space in the filesystem to extract those  
files? Use “du --si” to check that.

Re: [Trisquel-users] It's over, Bill Gates switches to Android :D

[marioxcc . MT]

There is nothing noteworthy here.

Microsoft is more than Bill Gates, and it will continue producing proprietary  
software.


Moreover, there is not anything noteworthy with Android. It makes no  
difference that it uses Linux (the kernel). It just yet another proprietary  
system. People pay for computer-phones with Android but they do not have any  
control over them, the developer company does. It is effectively, as if they  
were rented.

Re: [Trisquel-users] I met RMS yesterday. We talked about Trisquel 8, this is what he said...

[marioxcc . MT]

“He looked at me and said...

"I want Trisquel 8 too.."”

As is typical of Stallman, he complains and says what he wants to be done,  
but does not do anything about it. Although he has done real work in the  
past, now he is lazy and unwilling to move a finger (think about it: what has  
he personally contributed in the last year to free software?).

Re: [Trisquel-users] Who of this community honestly runs Trisquel GNU/Linux?

[marioxcc . MT]

I use Debian 9. Although Trisquel has a nice ideology, it is technologically  
deficient. For example, there is neither the will nor the manpower to  
generate new releases in reasonable time.

Re: [Trisquel-users] [Poll] Should Trisquel 9 be Based on Debian?

[marioxcc . MT]

An additional difference from the ones mentioned by other users:

Debian accepts the Artistic License 1.0 as free software while the FSF does  
not.


Thus Debian contains Simutrans in the “free” section, while a  
distribution that follows the FSF guidelines would not include it at all.


I once asked the Simutrans developers to release it as free software. At my  
surprise, they took offense and banned me from their forum.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?

[masonhock]

You might want to start a new thread about the specific issue you ran into.  
The people who will give you technical advice are more likely to click on a  
thread asking for such advice than a 3-week old thread with an unrelated  
subject line.

Re: [Trisquel-users] entries in "Add/Remove Applications"

[masonhock]

"Add/Remove Applications" is gnome-app-install, which depends on  
app-install-data, which includes a bunch of files in  
/usr/share/app-install/desktop named "[package]:[name].desktop". For example,  
there is "3dchess:3dchess.desktop" which contains[Desktop Entry]

X-AppInstall-Package=3dchess
X-AppInstall-Popcon=20
X-AppInstall-Section=main
Type=Application
Version=1.0
Name=3D Chess
Comment=3D chess for X11
Comment[de]=3D-Schach für X11
Exec=3Dc
Icon=3dchess
Terminal=false
Categories=Game;BoardGame;
Keywords=chess;board;3D;X11;
X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=app-install-dataLooking at the selection of desktop  
files in this directory, I see a lot of Ubuntu-sounding crap like  
"unity-webapps-amazoncloudreader:AmazonCloudReaderreadamazoncom.desktop" so  
perhaps the app-install-data package has not been modified from the upstream  
version. That would explain why non-Ubuntu apps like IceCat and Abrowser do  
not show up in Add/Remove Applications.


Does that sound right? If so, how would one go about updating  
app-install-data to reflect the differences between Ubuntu and Trisquel? As  
an experiment I tried copying 3dchess:3dchess.desktop to  
icecat:icecat.desktop and changing a few of the fields to see if I could get  
a new entry to appear in Add/Remove Applications, but it didn't work.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Emacs Users: Neotree integration with git or, some other tree package?

[happy_gnu]

Projectile

https://github.com/bbatsov/projectile

But if you can, I recommend helm-projectile (needs helm of course)

https://github.com/bbatsov/helm-projectile

You should also check Magit

https://magit.vc/

Re: [Trisquel-users] GNU Ring on Trisquel

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Currently I didn't test this yet. I would like to do so now, but I'm in
the process of updating the related recipe for GNU Guix, which will also
allow other people to install it. ;)

So right now I'm unable to use it right.

da...@qq.com writes:

> Can we make grups for chatting in this app ?
>

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Re: [Trisquel-users] It's over, Bill Gates switches to Android :D

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

If they ever publish an entire system distribution that is free/libre,
and evaluated for compliance with the GNU Free System Distribution
Guidelines (GNU FSDG) and so get's listed in the page about free/libre
distros at gnu.org, then I don't see this a bad thing.

However, currently this is unlickely to happen.

It's also important to note that the GNU FSDG goes beyond the released
product.

yuval.leven...@edu.esiee.fr writes:

> https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/26/16365424/bill-gates-android-phone-switch
>
> Next, Microsoft will be based on Linux and will be fully free.
>

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?

[masonhock]

Gnewb stands for "Gnewb's Not Even Worth the Bother."

olatriruk is just the kernel.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Virtualbox on Libreboot w/Trisquel?

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Essentially they don't seem to value enough the freedom of the software
in question (or the lack of it). ;)

pinmari...@riseup.net writes:

> Good point ! your link gives some answer though :
>
> We have invested some time looking for a solution to this, but did not
> find anything which could be done with the development resources
> available. Just now it is not a priority for us, which I trust you
> will understand if you look at the big picture, but if anyone can make
> this work to our satisfaction using a different compiler (that is, in
> a way which doesn't need lots of additional work on our part but still
> meets our standards) and provides the required build system patches we
> might well include them.
> https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12011

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?

[i_write_words]

As am I. I've got older hardware that can be put to use, a bit of time to  
spare, and enough experience with frustrated windows users who "just want it  
to work" to care.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?

[i_write_words]

That was probably all it was. I used unetbootin just out of laziness and bad  
habits.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Open source: What are missing?

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Also, the "open source"-side is literally a mess.

If you know the concept of "greenwashing", then I would like to
introduce you to "openwashing". What it means depends on your position
here. I'll detail this in future paragraphs.

Just for a start: it's important to note that Open Source Initiative's
Open Source Definition ([1][2]) doesn't address Restricted Boot and other
digital handcuffs.

Besides, some people in "open source" will:

- favor weak copyleft or even lax/permissive licenses;

- consider strong copyleft licenses just as lax/permissive --- by not
  enforcing them in their projects;

- offer alternative "editions" of the project's product --- one
  "community" and other "enterprise";

- enforce the license too aggressively againts the derivative projects
  --- by going directly to litigations in courts, using the "community"
  + "enterprise" combination to influence users of the "community"
  edition to use the other or other bad things.

All of the points given above are based on [3][4][5].

Furthermore, if I'm not mistaken, the Open Source Definition only
addressess functional data. Other things such as non-functional data,
service as a software substitute, computers for voting, the need for
fostering and providing free/libre software to the public (which is
beyond "usage"), all of these are not addressed by that.

For the sake of clarity, it's important to note that the free/libre
software movement has three distinct ways to address non-functional
data. In the "individual software" level, it's considered enough if they
are at least unlimitedly shareable (which can be assumed from the
numerous documentatio in gnu.org and also considering [2]); in the
"free/libre distributions", they must be at least unlimitedly shareable
and sellable --- so the software that don't fit in are left out ---
(this is defined in [6]); and third: there is also a related effort
called free/libre culture movement, which applies and requires the same
set of freedoms to non-functional data, this also includes complete
corresponding source files, according to the Definition of Free Cultural
Works ([7]). The third approach is optional, it only complements the
other two and is left for each software or distribution project to
decide on which one to follow.

Finally, for those in favor of free/libre software, "openwashing"
extends to the entire "open source"; while for those in favor of "open
source" would consider "openwashing" as a distortion of requirements set
forth by the Open Source Initiative's Open Source Definition.

[1] https://opensource.org/docs/osd (under CC BY 4.0).

[2] 
http://audio-video.gnu.org/video/2015-10-24--rms--free-software-and-your-freedom--seagl--speech.ogv
 (under CC BY-SA 4.0).

[3] 
https://sfconservancy.org/videos/2015-01-15_Bradley-Kuhn_Future-of-Copyleft_LCA-2015.webm
 (under CC BY-SA 4.0).

[4] 
https://media.libreplanet.org/u/libreplanet/m/copyleft-for-the-next-decade-a-comprehensive-plan/
 (under CC BY-SA 4.0).

[5] https://video.fosdem.org/2017/Janson/copyleft_defense.vp8.webm (under CC 
BY-SA 4.0).

[6] https://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html (under 
CC BY-ND 4.0).

[7] https://freedomdefined.org/Definition (under CC BY 2.5).

hd-sca...@users.sourceforge.net writes:

> Like Richard Stallman and his GNU and FSF heavy works, I have also
> researched for what are missing from the keyword "open source", i can
> tell here first, we will have only freedom of developments like
> derivatives and packaging, and freedoms hacking and testing what else
> are missing, but honestly our security "might" be most likely incurred
> and our privacy needs to be almost always broken, for the daily
> practice esp you are not a developer, a hacker, or a tester "nonfree"
> Linux and BSD distro are very often not a good idea.
> What will be your furthermore views for what are missing in "open
> source" in an operating system which is not under an 100% free kernel?
>

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[Trisquel-users] Antwort: help needed to hardware flash Gigabyte GA-G41M-ESL2

[ollonois]

I finally got some time to flash. I followed your instructions together with  
information on the libreboot site.


I get an Error while verification everytime I try to flash

root@beaglebone:~/libreboot_r20160907_util/flashrom/armv7l# ./flashrom -p  
linux_spi:dev=/dev/spidev1.0,spispeed=512 -w  
/root/libreboot_r20160902_grub_ga-g41m-es2l/ga-g41m-es2l_deqwertz_txtmode.rom

flashrom v0.9.9-unknown on Linux 3.8.13-bone79 (armv7l)
flashrom is free software, get the source code at https://flashrom.org

Calibrating delay loop... OK.
Found Macronix flash chip "MX25L8005/MX25L8006E/MX25L8008E/MX25V8005" (1024  
kB, SPI) on linux_spi.

Reading old flash chip contents... done.
Erasing and writing flash chip... Erase/write done.
Verifying flash... FAILED at 0x! Expected=0x5f, Found=0x00, failed  
byte count from 0x-0x000f: 0x9d

Your flash chip is in an unknown state.
Please report this on IRC at chat.freenode.net (channel #flashrom) or
mail flash...@flashrom.org, thanks!

The hint with connectin pin 3 & 7 to 3V was useful. Without this the flash  
chip is not found.

Re: [Trisquel-users] apps

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

To support onpon4's argumentation, see WhatsApp as an example.

WhatsApp implemented a XMPP-uncompliant communication based on XMPP
standard.

On the other hand, XMPP can be used to provide "bridges" to other
instant communications. JMP ([1]) --- an instance of jmp-register ([2]),
which is part of the Soprani.ca collection of projects ([3]) --- allows
using XMPP for sending SMS messages and using SIP for voice calling both
to the normal telephone network (I don't know if one can *receive*
messages and calls to these, please check with those involved).

I don't have an account in JMP because I can't afford it right now and I
don't live in US nor in Canada, but it's an interesting concept,
specially if one implements jmp-register and everything else needed to
make a JMP-like service in your country. Right now, it seems that JMP
covers most places in US and Canada (I don't know which other places it
covers).

[1] .

[2] .

[3] .

onp...@riseup.net writes:

> I don't know the answer to that, but remember that the developers of
> these proprietary programs can change the protocol at any time in a
> manner which breaks libre implementations, and they may have an
> incentive to do that.

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Re: [Trisquel-users] apps

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Nice one, if you want to: don't forget to add me to your list of
contacts! ;)

peter.ko...@posteo.net writes:

> I have my own prosody server running at home. I use Conversations
> client in Replicant and Pidgin on desktop.
>

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Free Software solutions for LabView

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

Perhaps there needs to be a project to start this?

I have found a possible replacemnt, but it seems to be very disorganized
and seems to have licensing issues, besides it seems to still depend on
LabVIEW. For now I prefer not to recommend it to the general public.

However, if someone is a developer that can help change the problematic
situation, and also if you want to help out in any way, then we could
get in touch privately or in a development-specific mailing list, IRC
channel or XMPP chat or group/channel.

e...@openmailbox.org writes:

> Something?
>
> - Requirements:
>
>   - Programming paradigms:
>
> - Flow-based
> - Graphical
> - Declarative or imperative
>
>   - Compiled
>   - Abandonware with compatible source code (actual compilers) or
> active project
>   - UNIX-like support

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Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?

[jodiendo]

quidam, CalmStorm, Magic Banana, onpon4, jxself, SuperTramp83

what will be your recommendation. I'm open for any advise.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?

[jodiendo]

HEATHER

i STAND BY YOUR EXPERIENCE. it is a disappointment I was not able to give the  
community completely a final positive report. Ill wait for the final Trisquel  
8. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?

[jodiendo]

mason ask?

 How did you burn the ISO? I had the same issue (Uruk 2.0 Beta worked on my  
Thinkpad x60 but Flidas wouldn't) when I used Startup Disc Creator, but it  
worked after using


Mason I use an old windows program called burncdcc

Re: [Trisquel-users] Where is and when trisquel 8 will be released?

[jodiendo]

mason ask?

 How did you burn the ISO? I had the same issue (Uruk 2.0 Beta worked on my  
Thinkpad x60 but Flidas wouldn't) when I used Startup Disc Creator, but it  
worked after using


Mason I use an old windows program called burncdcc