Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
On Tue, 2017-12-26 at 08:01 +0100, enduz...@riseup.net wrote: > RMS on PureOS giving a slide show. Is it conceivable or likely? > pt! xD AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That would be crazy. -- Caleb Herbert OpenPGP public key: http://bluehome.net/csh/pubkey
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
So Purism is a step up from System76. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Parabola: Unknown X server error
Yeah, Riot helps me be more present on IRC than I used to be. Sadly, I can't read and respond to IRC offline with Riot, with the way it loads messages as I PgUp/PgDn. But overall, it's an improvement. I once thought of modifying RMS's wget email script to work with avideo/youube-dl, and modifying it to work with Suckless's ii IRC client so I could use IRC through email. I love email. I can do everything while riding to work. No Wi-Fi needed. (Which means I also don't need to consider running nonfree JavaScript to connect to Wi-Fi, as most require.)
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
> This would include Heads, Liberty BSD, CloverOS, and ConnochaetOS. > This doesn't even include Uruk and Hyperbola since I assume they can't be > listed as they are derivatives of already listed distro's. > Equally important > is why so many dead and un-maintained distros remain listed. Because people keep making all these distros instead of making compromises and focusing on the goal... >_> Trisquel doesn't even have enough labor, so it's no surprise that BLAG is B'LAGging and you can't even DL an ISO of it. (Me and one of my free software friends trolled this one guy on which distro he should put on a spare PC, and we recommended BLAG because of how bad it was.)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Maybe its time to rethink Mozilla products
> See [1] for a possibly (already) outdated evaluation, and if you want to > make this evaluation happen, talk to jxself, he has a FOSSOlogy instance > running specifically for Chromium jxself is helping to eval Cr? THANK YOU!!! :D :D :D :D signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] Minifree's Libreboot X200 laptop comes with Trisquel pre-installed. Now with other keyboard layouts available, and free stickers
On Wed, 2017-12-27 at 13:53 +0100, i...@minifree.org wrote: > Yes, this is a level of miscommunication: I probably meant X200 laptops, so > "X200s" probably meant "more than a single X200 thinkpad". For clarity, I > always say X200S (uppercase S) when referring to the singular ThinkPad X200S > product. People get confused when I say X60s. Damn you, Lenovo!... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
Debian was actually the last major GNU/Linux to adopt a modern init system by default. There has to be a default. And it is a lot of work to maintain init scripts or several init systems, especially sysvinit's horrible Shell scripts. Debian's technical committee *decided* through vote (their usual procedure) after a (very) long debate that this default should be systemd. Nobody forced them. The debate was mostly about systemd vs. Upstart, which is now unmaintained and unused (Ubuntu abandoned it in favor of systemd). The other init systems that were proposed, sysvinit and OpenRC, were deemed inferior. See https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem for the (technical) defenses that the proponents of each init system wrote and https://bugs.debian.org/727708 for the final discussion, technical as well. Whether you like it or not, all major distributions chose systemd for *technical* reasons. You ignore those reasons and that is fine. If you are not a sysadmin, a developer or a package maintainer, you will probably not even see any difference! Yet you are against systemd. And you propagate FUD. Like any major low-level piece of software, systemd is audited. https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=systemd lists 23 CVE. As far as I can tell, they are all either already fixed or about local exploits (who cares?) or do not depend on changes in systemd (but on solving bugs in AppArmor). I will not install Debian just to try to change the init. Not looking at the documentation, I would simply try to install the package corresponding to the desired init. I imagine APT would then propose me to change it. Doesn't it? Now removing "libsystemd0" obviously removes all packages that depend on it. If there are many of them, then that only means developers like systemd's new features. It is their decision to depend on "libsystemd0" so that their program is better (nobody adds useless dependencies!), not Debian's.
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
> I just want to ask if you know of ANYONE, who has completely audited systemd in its entirety at all. To my knowledge, there has never been a single person who has audited the entirety of Linux. It just doesn't work that way. With a large project like Linux or systemd, everyone works on a particular part (or particular parts) they are interested in. If you think that's a problem, then by all means, trove through the entire systemd codebase and check all of it. While you're at it, do the same for Linux. No one is stopping you, because it's libre. > OR if anyone has successfully forked systemd for any reason. I don't think anyone has ever wanted to. All the systemd haters hate it because it's systemd, not for actual technical reasons. It's just another form of identity politics nonsense. But if someone wanted to, of course they could do so. All of systemd is under GPLv3+, a libre license. > Although, this is the fault of the distributions forcing systemd more than systemd devs themselves. Nobody is "forcing" anything. You don't have to use Debian, or if you're currently using an old version of Debian and don't like the update that's coming, you don't have to upgrade. What you're actually talking about is having a default program installed to do a job and not going to lengths to make sure that other possible programs can be used. So by that logic, Linux (the kernel) is being "forced" onto the users of almost every GNU/Linux distro. Many distros don't even offer an option for kernels other than Linux. The only ones I can think of right now that do are Debian and Arch. Regarding init systems, the current setup with systemd on Debian is exactly the same as its previous setup with SysV-init, or Guix's setup with GNU Shepherd, or Ubuntu 14.04's setup with Upstart, just to name a few. No distro goes to lengths to give options for different init systems in a particular distro because that's not a productive thing to do. > try and remove all systemd components from a debian install. I doubt you will succeed without a lot of irritations, and some sort of guide. If so many programs depend on systemd (which, I might add, has nothing to do with the actions of either Debian or the systemd developers), then perhaps it was right for Debian to switch to systemd by default. > This of course includes libsystemd0. Why are you opposed to such a tiny library being installed on your system? It's not even the init system systemd provides, just an API for everything in systemd other software might want to use. Not having it installed means that any program with even optional interfaces to systemd has to be rejected, and that's a lot of useful software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Minifree's Libreboot X200 laptop comes with Trisquel pre-installed. Now with other keyboard layouts available, and free stickers
I am curious about this as well, if you get any upgrades for such a purpose, please by all means make it freely available.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
I would say an x200 with libreboot and hyperbola if you experienced enough, otherwise I would go with FreeSlack or ConnochaetOS. IF you want something very easy but don't have an issue with systemd, I would go for uruk or trisquel. Some people care, some don't. That's about it. That's my thoughts.
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
Okay, I wasn't planning to respond again, but I apologize if I said you were having a temper tantrum, but that being said, I just want to ask if you know of ANYONE, who has completely audited systemd in its entirety at all. OR if anyone has successfully forked systemd for any reason. But yeah, I admit I was really angry. I don't like something being forced on me. Although, this is the fault of the distributions forcing systemd more than systemd devs themselves. aka debian for example... But yeah, you sound like your enraged too. Let us put this aside before this thread goes to the troll lounge. And also, I have an experiment for you if you really want to know if debian has forced systemd into adoption, try and remove all systemd components from a debian install. I doubt you will succeed without a lot of irritations, and some sort of guide. This of course includes libsystemd0.I have tried and not been successful. So yeah... that's why I am against systemd more than anything, that and potential security risks and other things. Also know this: I only became against systemd 1 year ago. The controversy started in 2014. So yeah... I am not the best person to take out your anger on. I guess in essence, I am saying, I don't know enough to debate you. Good day. or night as the case may be.
Re: [Trisquel-users] youtube-viewer won't play videos
I don't seem to be able to stream vids with mps-youtube and I'm not quite sure what the problem is. Downloading and playing videos separately with mpv works fine. When I try to stream, I get a bunch of Python errors. I've tried re-installing the Python packages that seem relevant, but it didn't help.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
You can go with Trisquel NetInstall too: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/using-netinstall-image-bootable-usb-drive After installing the console environment (nothing more) that way, you need to know the light programs you want (the window manager, the Web browser, etc.) and install them with 'sudo apt install'.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
Here is the ISO image of ConnochaetOS 14.2: https://connochaetos.org/slack-n-free/iso/connochaetos-14.2.iso
Re: [Trisquel-users] youtube-viewer won't play videos
An easy and efficient way to search, browse, download and view youtube vids is you use mps-youtube. https://github.com/mps-youtube/mps-youtube
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
Haha, I think it would be fun to have a good reason to try to use Guix SD actually... > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz > 32-bit Laptop? > Local Time: December 28, 2017 4:24 PM > UTC Time: December 28, 2017 9:24 PM > From: iwakura.l...@riseup.net > To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info > > In my experience, the "fastest" Libre GNU/Linux distributions were (in this > order) GuixSD, dragora, Parabola OpenRC. > > Openbox, twm, i3, windowmaker, are all great window managers that should keep > your ram usage really low.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
It is not necessary install these window managers, SliTaz(LXDE) + Linux-Libre 50 MB on ram and 2% CPU normal usage on a i486.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
SliTaz + Linux-Libre.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Re : Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
Wow. Interesting. How does one install it though? I'm used to ISOs ... Ive never done anything other than an ISO install. > Original Message > Subject: [Trisquel-users] Re : Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz > 32-bit Laptop? > Local Time: December 28, 2017 3:59 PM > UTC Time: December 28, 2017 8:59 PM > From: lc...@dcc.ufmg.br > To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info > > I would install ConnochaetOS 14.2: https://connochaetos.org > > 128 Mb of RAM is considered a minimum and 256 MB are recommended: > https://connochaetos.org/wiki/docs/requirements > > If you can find two modules of SDRAM - non-ECC @100 GHz...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
In my experience, the "fastest" Libre GNU/Linux distributions were (in this order) GuixSD, dragora, Parabola OpenRC. Openbox, twm, i3, windowmaker, are all great window managers that should keep your ram usage really low.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
Allright, I think I'll maybe a little bit with this :P Thanks anyway. I'll have a look at this when I am ready.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to edit .xml files and configuring openbox in Trisquel Mini
Cheers!:)
[Trisquel-users] Re : How to edit .xml files and configuring openbox in Trisquel Mini
You can read (and try by yourself!) the first sections ("INTRODUCTION",
"BASICS" and "COMMANDS") of http://flossmanuals.net/command-line/ too.
Just skip the "STANDARD FILES" subsection of "COMMANDS": it is definitely
advanced material.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Minifree's Libreboot X200 laptop comes with Trisquel pre-installed. Now with other keyboard layouts available, and free stickers
Hi Pyraman, I am uncertain as to the progress on that, though this is something that I believe damo22 and paulk both have worked on. You can contact them on Freenode IRC. The latter is in #libreboot, and damo22 hangs out in both #coreboot and #librecore The above comment of mine refers to development of libre EC firmware on the Lenovo G505S laptop.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
You can read (and try by yourself!) the first sections ("INTRODUCTION",
"BASICS" and "COMMANDS") of http://flossmanuals.net/command-line/ which is
free as in freedom. All text books should be free...
Just skip the "STANDARD FILES" subsection of "COMMANDS": it is definitely
advanced material.
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
Okay, run the UI from a terminal$ gtk-youtube-viewerattempt to play a video, and copy/paste any errors you get here.
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
Gotcha! Okay, so I installed VLC and made VLC the "video-player-selected". I was able to download a youtube-film and play it VLC, if that helps. Also, I tried your other strategy in the other comment and I didn't get an error message per se it just gave me a lot of information about the film I selected and then asked me to type a number again from the same list of search results.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
I would install ConnochaetOS 14.2: https://connochaetos.org 128 Mb of RAM is considered a minimum and 256 MB are recommended: https://connochaetos.org/wiki/docs/requirements If you can find two modules of SDRAM - non-ECC @100 GHz...
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
There really shouldn't be a difference between Mini and LXDE since they are the same thing...but for whatever reason Mini uses more ram and take longer to come up after login. I have no idea why. Its probably not a lot more ram, but on an old system it is very noticeable since you don't have the ram to spare. Openbox is faster than LXDE, LXDE uses Openbox actually. The difference in marginal though. I use the terminal a lot and I can say that that works very well. Another window manager I have used is DWM, which is made by the same people behind Surf (suckless.org check them out if your into minimalist computing). It is a tiling window manager. That is very snappy. Surf is really just the most minimal UI built around the Webkit engine, that what takes much of the overhead away. The trade-off is that it is a literal window to the internet with no options. It doesn't have an ad-blocker (but you can kill javascript which gets most of them), no tabs, no bookmarks, etc. I have found it has made me more productive though because I have to fully engage with whatever I am looking at and don't have the option to run a game or a stupid news site in another tab.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
Cheers! :) I think I'll maybe try this another time :) But thank you very much!
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
Here's something else to try if you've determined that your video player isn't the issue. Run the cli (command line interface) for youtube-viewer with$ youtube-viewer Type a keyword and press enter to search for videos, and then type 1 and press enter to play the first search result. See if that gives you an error message.
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
This is related enough that it can probably stay in the same thread. Since it's not really a Trisquel issue let's not have too many separate threads. Which video player do you have under 'video_player_selected'? Make sure that this video player is definitely installed, and then try to play another video with that player (not through youtube-viewer).
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to edit .xml files and configuring openbox in Trisquel Mini
Thanks! I'll have a read!:)
[Trisquel-users] youtube-viewer won't play videos
So I installed the gtk-youtube-viewer, some of you might remember from previous posts. It won't play videos, either when I double click, right click down to "video" and then "play" nor when I "play in terminal".
[Trisquel-users] Re : Synapse alternative?
Using the NetInstall: https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/using-netinstall-image-bootable-usb-drive I do not remember if the NetInstall lists you sets of programs to choose from. If so, select "Trisquel desktop environment" (probably the only thing you want in the list) and, once the installation over, you have Trisquel's default desktop environment. If not, the installation will be fast and the reboot will present you a text session... where you can execute this command (for instance: there are other ways) to install Trisquel's default desktop environment: $ sudo apt install trisquel trisquel-recommended To start the graphical session (the next reboots will automatically start it): $ sudo start lightdm But the live system with the graphical installer should work...
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
Gotcha! So now it worked. youtube-viewer successfully installed. Was not able to play videos. I changed the text in the "video players field" like you suggested in the other thread, and that did not help.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
Cheers:)
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
youtube-viewer is probably included in "and others"
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
No problem. Press [Enter] to continue like it says and install youtube-viewer. Just don't install anything else from this PPA without checking the license first to make sure it's free software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
Here you go. https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/the-linux-command-line_william-e-shotts-jr/599264/#isbn=1593273894 I've explained how I found it here, since it's more relevant to that thread: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-do-you-get-your-books-2#comment-125294
Re: [Trisquel-users] How do you get your books? 2
For buying a specific physical book, I will sometimes search for the book on Amazon through Tor without JavaScript, click on "Other Sellers," find the website for one of the other sellers, and buy it from them directly. I like Powell's, but their search engine requires JavaScript, so I search their site via DuckDuckGo with 'site:powells.com'
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
When I do the add-apt-repository command I get this I get a message (screenshot). Interesting thing I note here is that I can't seem to find youtube-viewer among the given packages. But that didn't seem to stop me the other time I installed youtube-viewer using this method though..
Re: [Trisquel-users] How to edit .xml files and configuring openbox in Trisquel Mini
I think you need a primer on UNIX commands. If you don't understand the basics of what you are doing, then you need a foundation. Please take some time to do some basic tutorials on this stuff. I quickly searched for this one. Seems promising. http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
Thanks for the tip! Do you know if the same book is available from any other vendor than Amazon?:)
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
I assume that have added youtube-viewer https://github.com/trizen/youtube-viewer via the PPA with$ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nilarimogard/webupd8 Now update the repository with$ sudo apt updateand install with$ sudo apt install youtube-viewer
Re: [Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
NB! I am on Trisquel Mini
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
I have all the same issues with Purisms branding and outreach others have posted, and I have had posted before. I'm not going to dive down that rabbit hole again here. That said, Librem crushes crowd funding based on their questionable branding/outreach. A few promising RISC V projects have failed at crowd funding, I believe in part because they were up at the same time as Librem. Unlike Arm which is under powered and POWER which is exorbitantly expensive RISC V has some real potential in the consumer space. Chips and boards are being made, they can be libre today. That's where I put my money.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
Thanks. I'll give it a shot! > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz > 32-bit Laptop? > Local Time: December 28, 2017 2:51 PM > UTC Time: December 28, 2017 7:51 PM > From: gde...@op.pl > To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info > > Maybe Dragora with openbox? Latest stable release i old but for very old > machines it should work great.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free world?
New thread is up and running:)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
Maybe Dragora with openbox? Latest stable release i old but for very old machines it should work great.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free world?
Allright Chief, thank you sincerely for everything this far! :)
[Trisquel-users] "E: Unable to locate package youtube/viewer" when trying to install youtube/viewer through terminal
I have added the package to the repository.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free world?
Try running$ sudo apt updatefirst. If that doesn't work, start a new thread. David is right that there should be one topic per thread. No one is going to look for information about YouTube in a thread about water cooling.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
...So, here is a great book to get you started on understanding all of these things. https://www.amazon.com/Linux-Command-Line-Complete-Introduction/dp/1593273894/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1514490500=8-1=linux+command+line > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent? > Local Time: December 28, 2017 2:41 PM > UTC Time: December 28, 2017 7:41 PM > From: svenerik...@protonmail.com > To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info > > Okay, but what am I supposed to open in regard to editing keyboard shortcuts? > > In the link that you guys linked it says: > > "rc.xml > Tip: Custom keyboard shortcuts (keybindings) must be added to the section of > this file, and underneath the heading. > ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml is the main configuration file, responsible for > determining the behaviour and settings of the overall session, including: > > Keyboard shortcuts (e.g. starting applications; controlling the volume) > Theming > Desktop and Virtual desktop settings, and > Application Window settings > This file is also pre-configured, meaning that it will only be necessary to > amend existing content in order to customise behaviour to suit personal > preference." > > So I tried to enter all kinds of different commands in the terminal but I > either get "No such file in the directory" or "command not found" or > "permission denied".
[Trisquel-users] How to edit .xml files and configuring openbox in Trisquel Mini
In another thread I was link to this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Openbox#Configuration But I couldn't make any sense of it. I have tried typing in "rc.xml", "~/.config/openbox/rc.xml", "cp -R /etc/xdg/openbox ~/.config/" amongst other things and sometimes I get "permission denied", sometimes I get nothing at all etc.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free world?
No. Don't worry. It's a good question. Some one else may reference this thread and learn from it. Thank you for your questions. > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free > world? > Local Time: December 28, 2017 2:43 PM > UTC Time: December 28, 2017 7:43 PM > From: svenerik...@protonmail.com > To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info > > Aye! I'll do that!:) Are there any way I can "mark" this thread "solved" or > something?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free world?
Aye! I'll do that!:) Are there any way I can "mark" this thread "solved" or something?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
Okay, but what am I supposed to open in regard to editing keyboard shortcuts? In the link that you guys linked it says: "rc.xml Tip: Custom keyboard shortcuts (keybindings) must be added to the section of this file, and underneath the heading. ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml is the main configuration file, responsible for determining the behaviour and settings of the overall session, including: Keyboard shortcuts (e.g. starting applications; controlling the volume) Theming Desktop and Virtual desktop settings, and Application Window settings This file is also pre-configured, meaning that it will only be necessary to amend existing content in order to customise behaviour to suit personal preference." So I tried to enter all kinds of different commands in the terminal but I either get "No such file in the directory" or "command not found" or "permission denied".
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
Interesting. I thought Trisquel Mini was just a rebranded LXDE. Are you suggesting I install LXDE or Openbox and get rid of Trisquel Mini DE? Which is faster between LXDE and Openbox? Thanks for the suggestion of using Surf. I was using Midori and was not too impressed with it. Lots of pages I visit just wouldn't load. I'm wondering if I should be using this computer as a terminal-only laptop... Hrm... > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz > 32-bit Laptop? > Local Time: December 28, 2017 2:31 PM > UTC Time: December 28, 2017 7:31 PM > From: dh...@fastmail.com > To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info > > I use Mini on an X20, which is from the same era. The big thing to make sure > you do is not use the Mini session, use either LXDE proper or Openbox. Both > are already installed on Mini so it is just a matter of switching sessions at > log-in. For web browsing I use Surf and Abiword for spell checking, but I do > most of my writing in Plain Text first, then I just run it through Abiword > for spelling/grammar check purposes. Icecat and Libre Office simply suck too > much ram to be useful.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
I use Mini on an X20, which is from the same era. The big thing to make sure you do is not use the Mini session, use either LXDE proper or Openbox. Both are already installed on Mini so it is just a matter of switching sessions at log-in. For web browsing I use Surf and Abiword for spell checking, but I do most of my writing in Plain Text first, then I just run it through Abiword for spelling/grammar check purposes. Icecat and Libre Office simply suck too much ram to be useful.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
I don't understand where the .xml files are and how I change them. Do I get to the files by typing something in the Terminal or do I locate them somewhere. Fire up your terminal ls -- show files and folders nano file.name -- edit ctrl+x y enter -- save & exit
Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free world?
Would you open a new topic when you have new issues? This helps keep each thread more focused. This thread should be predominanntly about custom water-cooling in the free world :) > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free > world? > Local Time: December 28, 2017 2:22 PM > UTC Time: December 28, 2017 7:22 PM > From: svenerik...@protonmail.com > To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info > > For several reasons I wiped the hard disk and reinstllaed Trisquel Mini, and > I was following the description you gave earlier with first adding > youtube-viewer to repository from the terminal and then installing it, but > this time it doesn't work. I get this message in the last line: > > "E: Unable to locate package youtube-viewer" > > Any idea what I might have done wrong here? :/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free world?
For several reasons I wiped the hard disk and reinstllaed Trisquel Mini, and I was following the description you gave earlier with first adding youtube-viewer to repository from the terminal and then installing it, but this time it doesn't work. I get this message in the last line: "E: Unable to locate package youtube-viewer" Any idea what I might have done wrong here? :/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
I have only ever used Mini. It really just boils down to preference, but I spend most of my time in command-line, so I don't have much need for GUI. Back before Trisquel I would just do a net install with X and used TWM when I wanted a GUI. I've grown a bit more attached to X since Mini came out and appreciate some of the niceties of LXDE. I am very slow to upgrade and I appreciate that Mini works exactly the same on my new X200 and on my old x20.
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
Yep you see perfectly the point. Maybe there is even a market for this. And it would be a perfect competitor to Purism. I ignore the numbers that would make this business profitable.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
... I think you may be trying to tackle too many things at once... Solve one then go to the next. That being said there are two ways to edit a text file. The graphical way which is opening a text editing program and the terminal way where you would type " ... For example, "vim foo.xml" opens an xml file and allows you to edit it. Editing via Terminal may be too advanced for you right now, so I would just use a graphical method. On Trisquel Mini the default text editor I think is LeafPad. > Original Message > Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent? > Local Time: December 28, 2017 2:01 PM > UTC Time: December 28, 2017 7:01 PM > From: svenerik...@protonmail.com > To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info > > I see, but how do I actually change the text files then? > > I don't understand where the .xml files are and how I change them. > > Do I get to the files by typing something in the Terminal or do I locate them > somewhere. > > I also noticed in the login-screen I can change different "desktops". > > I can choose default trisquel mini, LXDE and Openbox. Does that have anything > to do with this?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
Aye! I'll keep that tab open to remember where to report stuff, thanks! :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
I see, but how do I actually change the text files then? I don't understand where the .xml files are and how I change them. Do I get to the files by typing something in the Terminal or do I locate them somewhere. I also noticed in the login-screen I can change different "desktops". I can choose default trisquel mini, LXDE and Openbox. Does that have anything to do with this?
[Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?
I have an old Thinkpad T21 that I want to get more use out of but it's so darn slow with Trisquel 7 Mini. Would you suggest a good Libre Distro and/orDesktop environment for this laptop?
[Trisquel-users] Alternative To WallCh Desktop Wallpaper Changer?
For a long time I have been using "WallCh" to cycle threw a folder of wallpaper images, but recently I have had issues with it in Trisquel 7 -- Not sure why. In any case, I have always disliked the app and am open to alternatives. Any ideas? P.S. - Happy holidays everyone! Its a testament to how great the Trisquel community is when people from other FOSS communities come here to ask questions -- Not to compliment myself since I am a Trisquel user. :D
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
Yeah sure, I can try that! How do I do that?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
I don't recommend using Rekonq anyway because it has been discontinued, but when you spot things like that you can report it here: https://trisquel.info/en/project/issues
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
When I used Trisquel 7 I found that the text installer worked better than the graphical installer. It may look intimidating, but if you accept the defaults and select the 'Trisquel' desktop environment (not 'Triskel' as I accidentally did my first time and ended up with a very ugly configuration of KDE) you should be able to install Trisquel more easily than with the graphical installer.
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
> But pragmatically speaking, it also provide the possibility for some people to achieve partial freedom with modern hardware. This is a value. I agree with you here. If I understand correctly, your view is that the service Purism provides is important and beneficial enough that in spite of their dishonestly, they do more good than harm, and since there isn't a similar company to support, we should support them. You might be right. The reason I'm hesitant to reach that conclusion is that, while getting people to use as much free software as possible is important, I think that in the long term it is also important for people to be informed, and I worry that if Purism becomes a dominant voice they will continue to spread ignorance. Neither the Librem approach nor the libreboot approach is a good long term solution for the same reason: post-2010 Intel chip sets will probably never be liberated. This means that the Librem will always be non-free and librebootable machines will stop being manufactured. (Librebootable machines will continue to become dated, although I disagree that they are to old for normal desktop use now. Even my X60+SSD works fine for everything except games and demanding audio-editing setups that no non-musician would need. I'm sure that an X200+SSD+16G RAM will be more than sufficient for my needs, although newer hardware would be a nice convenience.) This is why initiatives to become independent of Intel, such as EOMA68, are important. Libreboot and Librem are fine compromises for now, but people need to understand why alternatives are worth investing in. Libreboot is open about the fact that they will probably never support post-2010 chip sets, but Purism spreads a misconception that it is already possible to have freedom with modern hardware. Perhaps I'm overestimating the potential effect of Purism's marketing tactics, but I generally feel that it is important for people to understand their own computing if they are to take control of it, and I'm skeptical of efforts to prevent this for personal gain. That said, maybe you're right that Purism is the best we have right now when it comes to as-free-as-possible-with-modern-hardware computing, and that until we do we should not be undermining Purism. I'm not sure, but you've gotten me to reconsider. > People here should discuss why other companies here don't invest on the same field. That is a good question. They wouldn't even need to manufacture their own laptops like Purism chooses to. They could have a comparable but less expensive product by doing exactly what you said: > I would check on the coreboot website the compatibility with newer laptops, and I would choose a well compatible one. Then I would buy it and install coreboot and use the me_cleaner by myself. This would save me a lot of money. Even a ME cleaning service would be valuable, but selling corebooted, ME-cleaned laptops seems manageable. You know way more about this than I do, though, so I'd like to hear your thoughts. Does anyone know of somebody who does this?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
Okay, thanks! :) It's actually because I first tried to install regular Trisquel, but for some reason it didn't work :/ I have no clue why, and checksummed .iso file also. Trisquel Mini worked though. I should get some rewriteable DVDs though, for trial and error purposes.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
That's a feature. If you need to see files copied, use switch -v for "verbose". Most commands, when successful, output nothing on the screen.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
I see, thanks for helping me :) So I tried now with the space between openbox and the "~", and nothing at all happened. Nothing. Not an error message, not a warning. It just jumped to the next line ready to receive another command like nothing had happened. :/
[Trisquel-users] Re : Synapse alternative?
The description of "synapse-dbg" is "semantic file launcher - debug package". You are not debugging "synapse", therefore you do not need "synapse-dbg". Why have you installed Trisquel Mini and not Trisquel? 1GB of RAM (2GB for comfort) are enough to run the edition most of us know (i.e., more people here can help you) and that includes more utilities by default (there is basically no need to ever use the terminal... although people will usually give command-line instructions because it is easier, as I explained you in th other thread).
Re: [Trisquel-users] Custom building and water cooling in the free world?
My 'video_players' field looks a little different, even though we are using
the same version of youtube-viewer (3.3.1). Copy/paste that field to a text
document so that you can undo this if it doesn't work, and then replace that
field with this:
{
mplayer => {
arg => "-prefer-ipv4
-really-quiet -title *TITLE*",
audio => "-audiofile *AUDIO*",
cmd => "mplayer",
fs=> "-fs",
srt => "-sub *SUB*",
},
mpv => {
arg => "--really-quiet --title
*TITLE* --no-ytdl",
audio => "--audio-file *AUDIO*",
cmd => "/usr/bin/mpv",
fs=> "--fullscreen",
srt => "--sub-file *SUB*",
},
smplayer => {
arg => "-close-at-end
-media-title *TITLE* *URL*",
cmd => "smplayer",
fs => "-fullscreen",
srt => "-sub *SUB*",
},
vlc => {
arg => "--quiet
--play-and-exit --no-video-title-show --input-title-format *TITLE*",
audio => "--input-slave
*AUDIO*",
cmd => "vlc",
fs=> "--fullscreen",
srt => "--sub-file *SUB*",
},
},
[Trisquel-users] Re : Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
This time you forgot the space before "~". You can copy-paste in a terminal emulator. Or you can use a graphical file manager to copy (that is what 'cp' does) /etc/xdg/openbox (the "openbox" file/folder in the "xdg" folder in the "etc" folder at the root of the file hierarchy "/") into ~/.config/ (the ".config" folder, an hidden folder since its name starts with a dot, in your home folder, "~"). People often prefer to give commands to type in a terminal because explaining how to achieve the same thing through graphical interfaces is much harder. Moreover, the instructions depend on the graphical application you use. For example, Ctrl+Shift+V pastes in GNOME Terminal but the shortcut may be different in your terminal emulator, Ctrl+H shows the hidden files in the Nautilus file browser but the shortcut may be different in your file manager, the same can be achieved from a menu with a down arrow icon in Nautilus but the icon certainly is different in another file manager, etc.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
There's actually several web browsers in the repo with Google as a default (which I find alarming and dissapointing tbh), including the "Rekonq" browser which also recommends Facebook, Amazon etc etc. But I spoke to some other people here and it seems as though some of these things have slipped through and will (hopefully) not be present in Trisquel 8. But yes, I will try to reinstall the Synapse :)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
Thanks for the clarification. The way I read your original post was that you had some piece of proprietary software you wanted to substitute for. Check out the other respondents post, I think he is likely on the right track. No software in the repo would have Google as default, it must be some kind of settings issue.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 XFCE Edition Released
Thanks ever so much, i'm really glad you made a Xfce version ! ;-) It's more of a pit stop : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_stop Be back in 2018.. Best regards to both of you.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
Allright! cool tip! :) I can't remember changing the default browser, but I have indeed installed all of the available browser and tried them out because of various reasons. But I wiped my hard disk once again and freshly installed Trisquel Mini once again because strange things started to happen. So now I am back to basics anyway. And I guess Midori is set at default, which uses duckduckgo.com. So I think I'll try to istall it once again. When I enter package manager and search for Synapse, I get both "synapse" and "synapse-dbg". Do I need to install both of them and what do they represent? I see this phenomena often when I search for applications using the package manager.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
Indeed I did. But now I get this though: "cp missing destination file operand after '/etc/xdg/openbox~/.config/' Try 'cp --help' for more information."
Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One
There is no *maintained* documentation anymore, the old documentation, which for you is still valid still exists. The build page for the Nexus One is here: https://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/NexusOneBuild A search in the forum brought several old threads that would likely be helpful. Thats the joy of working with old hardware, all the questions you could possible have were already answered years ago. It is just a matter of finding those posts via archival search.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
For me Synapse uses DuckDuckGo as its search engine, and I don't see a place to change it. Perhaps it uses the search engine of your default browser. What is your default browser? In general, this is a good resource for finding alternatives to a program. https://alternativeto.net/software/synapse-launcher/?license=opensource If you have JavaScript disabled (which I advise) you won't be able to filter by license from within the page. Instead just append '?license=opensource' to the URL.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 XFCE Edition Released
Welcome back :)
[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
I will budge if you show me examples of obfuscation in systemd's code. On the contrary, if your accusation are groundless, then I will not budge. That is apparently the case, what makes you a lier who is happy (since you will not budge) to live in a post-truth world where facts do not matter.
[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
I already gave you my links and they are indeed accurate. Where is the link showing obfuscated code in systemd's source? I have presented enough evidence. No, you have not. When someone writes "Obfuscated code is why I don't trust [systemd]. They intentionally make it hard to read.", he must show examples of obfuscated code to ground his grave accusation. Since systemd's code is public, that should be easy. Well, unless the accusation is groundless. You are the one spreading false information. Sorry, but its true. You can repeat as much as you want that your accusations are "true", that they are "reality". Those affirmations are no evidence. Please be serious: either show us obfuscated functions in systemd's code or do not reply (especially not with more bullshit). I doubt you will listen no matter what links I find on the internet to prove my point. First you accuse and then you search the Internet for a proof of your accusation?! Interesting methodology! I am not skilled enough to know how to explain the obfuscated functions in systemd's code. Lol. Is it your lack of skills and your inability to ground your accusations that turn them "true", the "reality"? If you call me a lier, then I know I am doing something right otherwise you wouldn't be persecuting me for my truth. Lol. So, if I claim, with no evidence whatsoever, that there are elephants on the moon and someone call me a lier, then I am right! And, I imagine that if nobody calls me a lier, then I am right too. That is a convenient logic! I am not saying you cannot believe what you want, just that you have opinions and so do I. Accusing systemd of being obfuscated is not a matter of opinions. It is a matter of having evidence to ground the accusation or to be a lier propagating FUD. In my experience, everything adds up to systemd being horrible as a fact. "Everything", sure. Yet, you cannot show us one single example of an obfuscated function in systemd's code. Your facts are what journalists call "alternative facts", i.e., not facts at all. Your "true reality" is what they call the "post-truth". And yet, you pretend onpon4 and I are the "trumpists"! I will not surrender to someone who doesn't give a rats ass about the truth. Until you show us obfuscation in systemd's code, your "truth" is bullshit.
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
I am serious so stop lying. Please for the love of god. STOP! We both disagree with each other, clearly. I am not your enemy. You are your own enemy.
[Trisquel-users] Re : FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
Please be serious: either show us obfuscated functions in systemd's code or do not reply (especially not with more bullshit).
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
No, they have not. I repeat: "Please be serious: either show us obfuscated functions in systemd's code or do not reply (especially not with more bullshit)". I already gave you my links and they are indeed accurate. There is a good reason Fedora, Arch, openSUSE, Mageia, Manjaro, Mint, Red Hat, CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu, ... (want more?) have been using systemd by default for several years. Nope, it is the lazy developer's init system. They use it because they are freakin lazy and because they think there will be more better features when it reality this is false. What evidence have you presented? "Please be serious: either show us obfuscated functions in systemd's code or do not reply (especially not with more bullshit)". By the way, here is what you are looking for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obfuscation_(software) I have presented enough evidence. and I repeat, it is not your job to tell me what to do. FUD does not benefit anyone. You do FUD. I do not. You are the one spreading false information. Sorry, but its true. Unless you can show us obfuscated functions in systemd's code, the "reality" is "systemd's code is not obfuscated, your accusations are groundless, you are a lier". I doubt you will listen no matter what links I find on the internet to prove my point. I am sick of people denying reality whether it is people like trump supporters or systemd supporters. It is all the same And I kindly ask you to either show us obfuscated functions in systemd's code or to stop replying. It is indeed a kind request: I do not expect you to admit that you made that accusation up (although it may be another ignorant hater who made it up and you are just repeating it: systemd's haters do that a lot). Correction, I don't hate systemd, I dislike and do not trust it. I am not skilled enough to know how to explain the obfuscated functions in systemd's code. If you want more information, ask hyperbola or devuan people to explain this truth. There is a reason hyperbola doesn't support systemd. same with Devuan. Ask them they know more than me. You are just full of hate I fear for anyone who disagrees with you. Thus, this is a mood point to explain anything. If you call me a lier, then I know I am doing something right otherwise you wouldn't be persecuting me for my truth. I kindly ask you and onpon to stop replying because this is not beneficial and I will not cave into your demands or your lies. I am not saying you cannot believe what you want, just that you have opinions and so do I. In my experience, everything adds up to systemd being horrible as a fact. Last point though, just drop it. I will not surrender to someone who doesn't give a rats ass about the truth.
[Trisquel-users] Re : Ctrl+alt+del equivalent?
"cp: invalid option -- '/' You probably wrote "-" instead of "~".
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
I am not spreading weasel words, systemd is crap. No one has freakin audited all the code in systemd which therefore means it is dangerous. geez... systemd lovers are so crazy.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One
As I explain in the original post, Replicant on the N1 is not supported anymore, so there is no documentation for it available. Given that it's unmaintained, it's unlikely that I'll get a response about it in the forums. Plus, the forums there, regrettably, aren't particularly active.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Synapse alternative?
I see. As far as I'm aware, it's the only application in the Trisquel Mini repository with this name. I can't seem to find a website and I am not able to take a screenshot of the application in use, but you can see it's logo down in the right corner of my screenshot. Basically what it does is searching through my pc, and that's what I'd like an application for. Good ol' searching my own pc.
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
I agree with you. The alternatives at the moment are: - to buy and use old hardware with libreboot for web browsing, some text editing (this could be good for a big percentage of people) - to use the me_cleaner (https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner) on newer hardware and having a full working modern device to do everything from programming to video editing.. but this require some technical skills that not everybody has. This solution if using a OEM BIOS is a trade off. The BIOS is still from the manufacturer and not opensource. - to use the me_cleaner together with the coreboot BIOS. This solution is very close to the first one but it requires again a lot of technical skills - to buy hardware provided with coreboot and with the intel ME neutralized with the me_cleaner. This solution is at the grasp of all (not considering the costs) In my opinion if I would look for a new laptop now, since I want to use it for everything and not just for web browsing and text editing, I would check on the coreboot website the compatibility with newer laptops, and I would choose a well compatible one. Then I would buy it and install coreboot and use the me_cleaner by myself. This would save me a lot of money. But I have the technical skills to do this. Since not everybody has the technical skills to do this, I would not demonize a company that is the only one providing this service. Not everybody wants an old hardware only because on the paper it looks better in terms of freedom but functionally is exactly the same as the newer one with coreboot and the intel ME deactivated. I think that Purism is doing his business and using marketing to do that. We can like or dislike the way they do marketing. But pragmatically speaking, it also provide the possibility for some people to achieve partial freedom with modern hardware. This is a value. People here should discuss why other companies here don't invest on the same field. My answer is that this requires money, in particular to place one or two people full time to port coreboot to the mainboard and so on.
Re: [Trisquel-users] FSF adds PureOS to list of endorsed GNU/Linux distributions
The real slap in the face is going to be PureOS users coming here for support because none exists on the the site where they got the software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Replicant on Nexus One
Replicant is a mobile operating system based on android that has nothing to do with Trisquel. Replicant has its own forums and documentation that will likely be far more helpful.
