Re: [Trisquel-users] JMP-compatible Gajim

2018-07-20 Thread lovexdrew
I had this same problem. Only flatpak fixed it. I'd rather it work as a read  
install from the Trisquel repos.


Re: [Trisquel-users] No suspend or hibernate options in GnomeShell

2018-07-20 Thread xliang9550
I use almost exclusively hibernation (vs. suspending or shutting down). I can  
pause the computing process and then dump the memory to internal disk (when I  
have to leave my current location). When I arrive at my new location, I can  
resume my mobile workstation and commence the computing.


(For this reason, I don't use SSD. The massive writing may wear out the SSD  
quickly.)


Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Server

2018-07-20 Thread xliang9550
I still manage several workstations in my lab. I plan to replace the  
originally installed Mint with Trisquel 8.


The standard Trisquel installer with MATE should be good. Though I don't  
actually need a DE, some students may have difficulties with the terminal.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software

2018-07-20 Thread xliang9550

Snap is a bug, not a feature. So is Ubuntu (or Canonical)...

And I was extremely disappointed when I upgraded my (manually liberated) Mint  
18.3 to 19. The updater program automatically re-installed many non-free  
software, firmware and even codecs without my consent. It also re-enabled the  
non-free repositories of Ubuntu which I disabled as soon as I initially  
installed the system. I backed up my files and then trashed the entire  
system.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software

2018-07-20 Thread intheforest
:) This should be a beautiful process. 


Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software

2018-07-20 Thread Caleb Herbert
Paper is indeed more durable.  I already clone my disk to a paper file
system.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software

2018-07-20 Thread Mason Hock
It looks like Debian testing introduces a plugin[1] for Snap integration, which 
Ubuntu has included[2] since 17.10. If this means that Ubuntu has removed Snap 
integration from gnome-software itself, then p
erhaps this will not be an issue in Ubuntu 18.04/Trisquel 9.

In the meantime, I was interested to see what would happen if I installed 
gnome-software without libsnapd-glib1, so I modified the deb package to no 
longer require libsnapd-glib1 and installed.

$ apt download gnome-software
$ tar x gnome-software_3.20.5-0ubuntu0.16.04.11_amd64.deb
$ tar -xzf control.tar.gz
$ sed -e s/"libsnapd-glib1 (>= 0.9), "//g -i control
$ tar -cvzf control.tar.gz control
$ ar rcs newpackage.deb debian-binary control.tar.gz data.tar.xz
$ sudo apt install libappstream-glib8 libfwupd1 libgtkspell3-3-0
$ sudo dpkg -i newpackage.deb

gnome-software was successfully installed. Upon launching it, I found that it 
no longer recommends proprietary software as it did before libsnapd-glib1 was 
removed from the repo. However, it also does not display any software that has 
not already been installed.

This bug has also appeared in Fedora[3] and Ubuntu[4]. If I recall correctly, 
prior to the removal of
 libsnapd-glib1 gnome-software only showed installed packages and Snap 
packages, so it could also be
related to this[5].

None of the workarounds suggested in these threads worked for me. After messing 
around with packagekitd for a while I gave up. I also found many threads about 
gnome-software not displaying any programs at all, which is the problem I ran 
into with gnome-software when I tried Fedora. I tried some of those 
workarounds, even though it's a slightly different issue, and had no luck.

TL;DR: If libsnapd-glib1 were removed as a dependency of gnome-software, then 
gnome-software would be installable again and no longer recommend proprietary 
software, but it would still not work do to another bug that seems to be from 
upstream.

[1] https://packages.debian.org/buster/gnome-software-plugin-snap
[2] https://packages.ubuntu.com/artful/gnome-software-plugin-snap
[3] 
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/307983/gnome-software-packagekit-lists-only-installed-packages
[4] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1548933
[5] 
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1050694/the-gnome-software-center-shows-few-apps/1050938



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Re: [Trisquel-users] Trisquel Server

2018-07-20 Thread joshaspinall269

Thanks again both.

I have a few more questions on the Server front:

I currently have a ZFS pool running in another server-type machine that I  
would ideally move over as-is.  Is it possible to run ZFS (OpenZFS) under  
Trisquel?


Secondly, what is the preferred/recommended means to run Virtual  
Instances/Machines/Containers in this regard?  It is again intended to run  
multiple instances of whatever method is used, including a website, 'cloud',  
VoIP, Media Serving etc.


From my time here I only tend to see requests or advice requested on  
standalone machines, usually Laptops.  I hope any discussions here are useful  
to anyone in a similar situation as myself!


Thanks.



Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software

2018-07-20 Thread onpon4
Yeah, I know. I'm sure it can help to work together with the Debian and  
Fedora communities, though. They've been really helpful when it comes to this  
sort of thing in the past (especially Fedora).


The point is, if we only have a downstream solution, we'll be constantly  
patching the upstream code, and that should be avoided if possible.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software

2018-07-20 Thread Mason Hock
> Modifying Software to fix this problem would be a very nice thing indeed.
> Until then, it's probably easiest to just stick to other tools. Do
> contribute to a solution, though, preferably as far upstream as possible.

Unfortunately, upstream probably sees it as a feature rather than a problem.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software

2018-07-20 Thread onpon4
I haven't stopped using computers, but I've progressively been removing my  
dependency on them.


Not for freedom's sake, mind, but just because paper is much more durable  
than magnetic hard drives. Who knows? I might even go so far as to print my  
passwords and GnuPG keys on paper and then shove that in a lockbox.


Re: [Trisquel-users] Cannot install GNOME Software

2018-07-20 Thread onpon4
I used Ubuntu 16.04 before switching back to Trisquel 7 recently, and it was  
a nightmare specifically because of the problem with Snap packages. I simply  
could not search for libre software in GNOME Software; every time I did a  
search, I would get all these Snap packages, completely unmarked, and  
scarcely any results from the actual software repository. So even though I'd  
disabled the "Multiverse" and "Restricted" repositories, it was completely  
useless; it was like Linux Mint all over again, with a jumbled mess of libre  
software I might want to install and proprietary software that I definitely  
don't. I ended up abandoning Software entirely and using the command-line  
tools exclusively.


Modifying Software to fix this problem would be a very nice thing indeed.  
Until then, it's probably easiest to just stick to other tools. Do contribute  
to a solution, though, preferably as far upstream as possible.