Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[calmstorm]

I don't know if that's true, but you probably know more than I do, I only  
started using GNU in 2014.  

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[calmstorm]

That does seem very suspicious to me. Unless Cinnamon has been revamped in  
some way to maximize battery life with less or more efficient code... etc,


Dunno though. XFCE is my choice of desktop environment now that lxqt is going  
to become the norm...


I am still curious why the makers of lxde are switching to qt...

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[greatgnu]

>except maybe for Xfce and Cinnamon, whose additional requirements will make  
a difference on an old computer, say with less than 512 MB of RAM).


I am running Debian with Xfce (full environment, xfwm included, no openbox)  
and when I freshly boot my OS the RAM usage is around 270 mb. Now, my VPN  
client takes some 140 mb, I can open irssi, profanity (jabber client), cmus  
and cmus-lyrics (those 4 is stick in tmux for my pseudo-nerdy satisfaction),  
then I open Firefox Quantum and also the TorBB and the memory usage still  
does not get to a full 1 gb of RAM, it stays around 900/950 mb. Without the  
VPN client that would be around 800 mb of RAM.


Xfce is simply amazing as far as resource consumption goes, especially if you  
consider how complete a DE it is and how modern it looks with just 5 minutes  
of tweaking.
I used to run MATE in the past. The two are give or take the same as RAM  
consumption goes, or at least it was in the past, say a couple of years ago,  
when I ran it.
LXDE is faster for sure, but a rather incomplete experience compared to say  
XFCE or MATE.


Cinnamon is way, way slower than both Xfce and MATE, really not comparable -  
try Xfce and Cinnamon on a 12 years old laptop. Install first Cinnamon and  
use it for a day and then do the same with Xfce: night and day, Xfce is twice  
smoother.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[fbits]

Yes, you're right about the histogram, I didn't notice! It's also true that  
the choice of window manager alone will make little difference unless the  
computer is very antique. I do find that certain window managers lend  
themselves better to a minimalist approach than others.


For an old computer especially, I would leave out the desktop environment and  
pick components carefully. Install only a WM and cherry pick other necessary  
programs as needed (maybe wicd for WiFi, pulseaudio with volume icon, and  
others as needed). Try to keep things simple and few unneccesary processes,  
units/modules running.


And yes, modern web browsing may not be an option if the system is too old. I  
find libreoffice to be resource heavy as well.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[fbits]

I agree with both of maestro SuperTramp's responses. As to LFS, why not  
follow SuperTramp's suggestion of any netintall with lightweight WM (no DE  
needed) first and then build LFS on a VM for fun. You didn't mention how much  
RAM you have.


For WM if you like tiling you're in luck, many can run on just a few MB of  
RAM. I like i3wm which takes maybe 3MB. There's a comparison graph at the  
bottom of this post:  
https://l3net.wordpress.com/2013/03/17/a-memory-comparison-of-light-linux-desktops/


If you want a particular distro recommendation, I would recommend Parabola,  
as you then have the excellent Arch Wiki to teach and guide you (as long as  
you keep away from proprietary recommendations). Particularly as you mention  
you're not yet so comfortable setting things up without a gui.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[fredo]

Though maybe a bit outdated, there is also Librepup based on trisquel7  
packages and linux-libre. With that you can wake up any old computer.



iso here https://archive.org/details/librepup-6.0.2.0

forul thread http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=101106

librepup.info is now a dead link

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[leestrobel]

I've been going through Linux From Scratch myself and I highly recommend it.  
It gives a great level of insight into how GNU/Linux is constructed; how to  
configure and compile source code; and how to build your own custom Linux  
kernel. I found it also brings a level of appreciation for the package  
managers and how much easier they make things :)


I probably won't end up using it for my day-to-day computing, but it's a  
great learning tool. Could also be useful for playing around with new  
applications/code, before they make it into the Trisquel repository.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[greatgnu]

GUI apps won't slow down anything when they are not in use.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[David Philipe Gil]

Im fine with no gui package manager, however, as of yet I am not comfortable 
with installing without a gui. Maybe it's time for me to get comfortable? I 
think first I want to finally work through "Linux from Scratch" so I finally 
get a fundamental understanding of how to custom build my OS. I can pile that 
onto my goals for some point in the future.

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 
> 32-bit Laptop?
> Local Time: December 31, 2017 3:45 PM
> UTC Time: December 31, 2017 8:45 PM
> From: calmst...@posteo.de
> To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info
>
> If anyone wants a lightweight distro, it will likely have no package manager
> in gui form and be arch based in some way... thus, if that's what you would
> want I would recommend Hyperbola. But its not newbie friendly yet as it
> doesn't have a gui installer calamares... not yet anyways.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[Caleb Herbert]

> I do  
> most of my writing in Plain Text first, then I just run it through Abiword  
> for spelling/grammar check purposes. 

You can do spell checking in many text-based programs.  You don't need
to use AbiWord for that.


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Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[calmstorm]

If anyone wants a lightweight distro, it will likely have no package manager  
in gui form and be arch based in some way... thus, if that's what you would  
want I would recommend Hyperbola. But its not newbie friendly yet as it  
doesn't have a gui installer calamares... not yet anyways.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[calmstorm]

I dunno, I prefer sysvinit + openrc.

But to each his own.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[David Philipe Gil]

You make a good point. I think for now, im going to just remove LXDE and use 
Blackbox while keeping the Trisquel Mini install. Alternately, I may just keep 
it as a CLI only laptop. Maybe it will get me to improve my meager bash skills.

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On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 12:17 PM,  wrote:

> In my experience, there is no such thing as the fastest distribution, rather 
> a minimal net install of any gnuxino with as few crap installed as possible, 
> a decent DE or window manager.. It's all gahnuu and it's all fast but you 
> need to set it right. Using lightweight software is really what makes all the 
> difference in the world..

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[greatgnu]

In my experience, there is no such thing as the fastest distribution, rather  
a minimal net install of any gnuxino with as few crap installed as possible,  
a decent DE or window manager..
It's all gahnuu and it's all fast but you need to set it right. Using  
lightweight software is really what makes all the difference in the world..

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[vitacell]

"100 GHz..." lol.

Very interesting that GNU-Linux distro!! maybe this one is more suitable for  
my netbook with 32bits atom n270 than Devuan. (Devuan is too outdated).


Does ConnochaetOS have ShitstemD?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[calmstorm]

I would say an x200 with libreboot and hyperbola if you experienced enough,  
otherwise I would go with FreeSlack or ConnochaetOS.


IF you want something very easy but don't have an issue with systemd, I would  
go for uruk or trisquel.


Some people care, some don't. That's about it.

That's my thoughts.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[David Philipe Gil]

Haha, I think it would be fun to have a good reason to try to use Guix SD 
actually...

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 
> 32-bit Laptop?
> Local Time: December 28, 2017 4:24 PM
> UTC Time: December 28, 2017 9:24 PM
> From: iwakura.l...@riseup.net
> To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info
>
> In my experience, the "fastest" Libre GNU/Linux distributions were (in this
> order) GuixSD, dragora, Parabola OpenRC.
>
> Openbox, twm, i3, windowmaker, are all great window managers that should keep
> your ram usage really low.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[elr]

It is not necessary install these window managers, SliTaz(LXDE) + Linux-Libre  
50 MB on ram and 2% CPU normal usage on a i486.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[elr]

SliTaz + Linux-Libre.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[iwakura . lain]

In my experience, the "fastest" Libre GNU/Linux distributions were (in this  
order) GuixSD, dragora, Parabola OpenRC.


Openbox, twm, i3, windowmaker, are all great window managers that should keep  
your ram usage really low.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[dhood]

There really shouldn't be a difference between Mini and LXDE since they are  
the same thing...but for whatever reason Mini uses more ram and take longer  
to come up after login. I have no idea why. Its probably not a lot more ram,  
but on an old system it is very noticeable since you don't have the ram to  
spare.


Openbox is faster than LXDE, LXDE uses Openbox actually. The difference in  
marginal though.


I use the terminal a lot and I can say that that works very well. Another  
window manager I have used is DWM, which is made by the same people behind  
Surf (suckless.org check them out if your into minimalist computing). It is a  
tiling window manager. That is very snappy.


Surf is really just the most minimal UI built around the Webkit engine, that  
what takes much of the overhead away. The trade-off is that it is a literal  
window to the internet with no options. It doesn't have an ad-blocker (but  
you can kill javascript which gets most of them), no tabs, no bookmarks, etc.  
I have found it has made me more productive though because I have to fully  
engage with whatever I am looking at and don't have the option to run a game  
or a stupid news site in another tab. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[David Philipe Gil]

Thanks. I'll give it a shot!

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 
> 32-bit Laptop?
> Local Time: December 28, 2017 2:51 PM
> UTC Time: December 28, 2017 7:51 PM
> From: gde...@op.pl
> To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info
>
> Maybe Dragora with openbox? Latest stable release i old but for very old
> machines it should work great.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[gderok]

Maybe Dragora with openbox? Latest stable release i old but for very old  
machines it should work great.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[David Philipe Gil]

Interesting. I thought Trisquel Mini was just a rebranded LXDE. Are you 
suggesting I install LXDE or Openbox and get rid of Trisquel Mini DE? Which is 
faster between LXDE and Openbox?

Thanks for the suggestion of using Surf. I was using Midori and was not too 
impressed with it. Lots of pages I visit just wouldn't load.

I'm wondering if I should be using this computer as a terminal-only laptop... 
Hrm...

>  Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 
> 32-bit Laptop?
> Local Time: December 28, 2017 2:31 PM
> UTC Time: December 28, 2017 7:31 PM
> From: dh...@fastmail.com
> To: trisquel-users@listas.trisquel.info
>
> I use Mini on an X20, which is from the same era. The big thing to make sure
> you do is not use the Mini session, use either LXDE proper or Openbox. Both
> are already installed on Mini so it is just a matter of switching sessions at
> log-in. For web browsing I use Surf and Abiword for spell checking, but I do
> most of my writing in Plain Text first, then I just run it through Abiword
> for spelling/grammar check purposes. Icecat and Libre Office simply suck too
> much ram to be useful.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[dhood]

I use Mini on an X20, which is from the same era. The big thing to make sure  
you do is not use the Mini session, use either LXDE proper or Openbox. Both  
are already installed on Mini so it is just a matter of switching sessions at  
log-in. For web browsing I use Surf and Abiword for spell checking, but I do  
most of my writing in Plain Text first, then I just run it through Abiword  
for spelling/grammar check purposes. Icecat and Libre Office simply suck too  
much ram to be useful. 

[Trisquel-users] Fastest Libre GNU/Linux Distro for 800mhz 32-bit Laptop?

[David Philipe Gil]

I have an old Thinkpad T21 that I want to get more use out of but it's so darn 
slow with Trisquel 7 Mini.

Would you suggest a good Libre Distro and/orDesktop environment for this laptop?