Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
And what about the Libreboot X60 laptop? It may provide more security in case of hardware backdoors (related to firmware), doesn't it? However I do not understand very much about these kind of issues...
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
Interesting video. But - why are the laptop lids closed? The detected typing is done very slowly and deliberately - does that mean that normal typing would overwhelm the system? On the face of it, it does look like worst fears may be true. But it could just as easily be faked to appear that way.
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This alleges that it's possible to focus on a particular house/room, from outside, and be able to tell what's being typed - without any physical connection. Ok, for the last time: this is NOT possible. It's against the laws of physics, and every physicist on the whole world can tell you this. The NSA can't move faster than the speed of light, can't create energy out of nothing, and clearly can't transmit information without any physical connection. The articles you're probably talking about use the term physical connection referring to some kind of wire or internet access, no one ever doubted that the information has to be transmitted somehow. I hope this non-sense is now clarified once and for all. For further reading, I recommend any physics textbook.
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2014-08-28 13:42:54, oshirowa...@gmail.com: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/ Is it possible to detect if your computer has been infected by such surveillance? I'm not sure if this helps or turns the situation worse... And also, sorry for sharing a YouTube URI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v�WgIAgMtiA I'm also not sure if this has a proven scientific explanation, but I decided to share the resource anyway. Best regards, ADFENO. Have a nice day. -- Assinatura automática – português brasileiro: – Blogue: http://adfeno.wordpress.com/ – Favor não enviar-me documentos do Microsoft Office ou Apple iWork. Ao invés disso, envie documentos em OpenDocument! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/ – Se eu não te desejar um bom dia em meus e-mails, minhas postagens, ou meus comentários; isto significa que estes foram enviados por terceiros. Automatic signature – North American English: – Blog: http://adfeno.wordpress.com/ – Please do not send me Microsoft Office or Apple iWork documents. Instead, send OpenDocument documents! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/ – If I don't wish you a nice day in my emails, my posts, or my comments; this means that these were sent by third parties. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
Same clip = a lot of wires and equipment that doesn't prove a shit.
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
So basically, trisquel is useless when it comes to privacy? As all the technology exists to spy on people at the hardware level which bypasses the software altogether...
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
They have the technology to read every single keystroke you make, through a solid wall, with no physical connection required. Please don't spread FUD. Without any physical connection would be some kind of magic, and we're not in hogwarths. What you probably meant is some kind of internet or lan connection. In that case, after everything I read, you're right.
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
Well, that's like saying: We can't immunize people against _every_ disease, so Immunization is useless. It's one part of the puzzle - if we work on the other parts as well, then one day we might achieve a decent digital society.
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No. Libre Software defends (together with encryption and common sence) you from mass survelliance, which is mostly software-related. Hardware holes make you vulnerable to personal spying only. On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 10:45 +0200, oshirowa...@gmail.com wrote: So basically, trisquel is useless when it comes to privacy? As all the technology exists to spy on people at the hardware level which bypasses the software altogether... -- Happy hacking! akifo www: https://blog.akifo.pw xmpp: ak...@member.fsf.org GNU social: https://quitter.se/akifo BitMessage: BM-2cUBB2sXo7yKRU1GkjT3ToznBMy5Sj9PCi signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
Well, wifi is basically high frequency radio waves.
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Yeah, electromagnetic waves - defintely a physical connection.
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That's non-sense. How do you come to this conclusion?
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It's not FUD. The method works by detecting the differences in voltage that pass down the keyboard wire. The technology has existed for a while now. It works through solid walls and from up to 20 feet away. It is a specifically targeted method rather than a broad keyword search, but exists none the less. It's mentioned in one of the other threads on this subject, on this site.
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The method works by detecting the differences in voltage that pass down the keyboard wire. Yeah, it's based on measuring electromagnetic fields, so of course there is a physical connection. I may be picky on the terms, but nobody can spy on anyone without a physical connection. Just because there is a wall, no wire and no wlan around doesn't mean your isolated. Please trust the laws of physics: without any physical connection, there is no spying. So yeah, it's FUD, but I guess you mean something different.
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Tests have shown that the data can be read through walls and up to 65 feet away. From... http://hackaday.com/2008/10/20/eavesdrop-on-keyboards-wirelessly/
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
Hopefully projects like Libreboot can help with this, but there is a lack hardware to install it on. Even if you can, its really really hard to install.
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The fact that they were able to spy _means_ that there was _some kind_ of physical connection... Don't know how I could explain it any better... photons, other particle transfer - something!
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Yes, it needs some kind of physical connection between the computer and the NSA, some kind of bridge needs to be established to spy, and bridges can be detected.
[Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
The average person probably won't be targeted for this attack. I think you would only need to worry about it if you are a whistleblower, political activist, etc. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
[Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
Sorry, I didn't mean to reply specifically to your message, quantumgravity. I meant to reply to the whole list. (Either me or my e-mail program is kind of wonky.) -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
This alleges that it's possible to focus on a particular house/room, from outside, and be able to tell what's being typed - without any physical connection. Though it has the smack of James Bond about it I do confess. That was PS2 connections though and USB apparently is different. It was also in the days prior to widespread use of wireless routers so there's now a lot more noise around. Besides, if you really wanted to watch what everyone was typing you'd pass a law stating that ISP's have to keep records of everything that goes through their networks. Oh...
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It's called VPro / VT. There is no way around it as far as I know. Even if you disable it it can be re-enabled remotely You are a user, They are your system admin. Better not believe or profess beliefs against the current system. Example: Men get life in prison for the fact that they like young girls (something totally fine in the old testament, in islam, in vedic religion, any religion more than 200 years old). That is the system we live under. And they can check your RAM at any time via VPro to see if you disobeyed their commands. If your mind is rebellious. If you are not one of them. They own us. We do not own ourselves. If we disobey them we are put in prison. If we resist we are executed on the spot. That's how it is, That is how it always was. Perhaps someone into hardware integration can shed more light. Like the ThinkPenguin guys? I really wish VPro/VT could be removed because AMD laptops just run so damn hot on linux (from my experiance). Now what can I buy? Nothing? Secure. Doesn't Burn Pants Off. Pick one?
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
Projects like that have to start somehwere, that said it will probably be a few years before it will really be viable and easy to run for the majority of users.
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Please point out the untrue statements of my previous post then. Let me tell you something, Magic Banana, if I came to you and I said some things, some true but some lies, just to get a rise out of you, that would be trolling. If I came to you and gave my honest opinion or relay some facts and you, Magic Banana, do not like my opinion or do not believe the facts, that is not trolling. That is just us as enemies who don't want the same things in life. Enemies (of, perhaps, the ideological kind), Not Trolls. Do you understand the difference. Mr Banana?
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
So basically, trisquel is useless when it comes to privacy? Not at all. But neither should it be viewed as a one size fits all solution for all your privacy/security problems. It's a step in the right direction. But there are still the issues of ISP's mandated by law to keep records of what you do online and paranoid, dishonest Governments and their barely controllable 'alphabet agencies'. Not to mention that which represents our biggest threat - the Corporations. If we don't bring the Corporations to heel and soon, the future is going to be a lot less pleasant than it could be.
[Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/ Is it possible to detect if your computer has been infected by such surveillance?
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Since we're under Free software, I guess we're out of risk group. But maybe there is a good idea to start smth like Great Audit Project for all of the network-related Free software on Kickstarter or so ;) On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 13:42 +0200, oshirowa...@gmail.com wrote: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-radio-wave-cyberattack-607/ Is it possible to detect if your computer has been infected by such surveillance? -- Happy hacking! Ivan Antipenko aka akfio www: http://blog.akifo.pw xmpp: ak...@member.fsf.org social net: http://social.feder8.ru/profile/akifo signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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The NSA isn't stupid. They probably use hardware backdoors (although I don't know if this is one) which would mean it doesn't matter which OS you use. Free software also has security flaws, which is why security updates are important. Don't think they don't know about flaws in GNU/Linux systems.
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They probably use hardware backdoors Ain't no probably about it. The only real question, to my mind, is how much hardware is compromised?
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lol http://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1yma58/intel_ceo_dodges_nsa_questions_in_reddit_ama/cflx4ul Don't trust anything from Intel.
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These are terrible news, and rises so much questions: Is this really possible? How can governments let these things happen?Can we escape from that control by using free software friendly hardware components? What else needs to happen to rise people awareness?
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After what was said in topic: the only hope is Open Hardware, but it requires decades to make it possible to create something usable at home. Now I'm really confused - what can we do right now? signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Trisquel-users] NSA able to target offline computers using radio-waves for surveillance
They have the technology to read every single keystroke you make, through a solid wall, with no physical connection required. They build backdoors into hardware and standalone OS's into processors. There is no realistic expectation of privacy, regardless of what software you use. It comes down to being wise about what you share and to patiently enlightening people. A groundswell of consumers, angry about their loss of privacy, will get things changed faster than anything else. When the profits get eaten into because of spying, the spying will be reigned in and not until.
