Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-15 Thread Adonay Felipe Nogueira 
+1 archive.org. ;)

Also, found out that YouTube seems to make the webpage refresh and
revert the copy-paste stack of your operating system if you happen to
copy some text from inside the videos' webpages. So I do agree: Avoid
YouTube all-together, and also avoid sharing YouTube links. ;)

"J.B. Nicholson"  writes:

> a...@ncf.ca wrote:
>> Is there a reason that Google/YouTube won't do full-screen video in
>> Internet Explorer?
>
> We're not Google or YouTube's tech support.
>
>> I wondered whether Youtube/Google was diminishing compatibility with
>> their competitors' web browsers to give their own web browser an
>> advantage in the market.
> Perhaps so; you should try asking them since it's their webpage. As
> far as any free software distro mailing list ought to be concerned,
> this might be a fight between software proprietors and you'd be better
> off finding the videos you seek elsewhere, or using a free program
> such as youtube-dl to download the videos (which I understand doesn't
> execute the non-free JS code YouTube serves), or skipping them in
> favor of videos that favor free software. archive.org hosts many such
> videos and doesn't require non-free software to work with at all.
>
> I certainly recommend avoiding non-free software such as Windows,
> Google Chrome, and the non-free code in YouTube altogether.
>

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Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-06 Thread adel 

Thanks Onpon

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-05 Thread onpon4 
It has nothing to do with net neutrality. Net neutrality is about companies  
which provide the service of routing traffic. YouTube does much more than  
that, including storing the videos and indexing them for search. It's their  
servers, so they have a right to take down videos from them. The same goes  
for MediaGoblin instance owners.

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-05 Thread onpon4 
The latest version of IE that can run on Windows Vista is version 9. That  
version was released in 2011, when HTML5 was in its infancy. Vista itself was  
released when YouTube itself (using the old Flash video player) was new. So  
yeah, the fact that it even works with YouTube's HTML+JavaScript player at  
all is kind of miraculous.

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-04 Thread adel 
IE would have to support full screen for the JavaScript video player to take  
advantage of it?  I know almost nothing about coding so I'll defer to your  
guess.  It also seems most likely because it would be pretty bold of  
YouTube/Google to cut out Microsoft, right?

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-04 Thread adel 
If you're right, is YouTube's decision contrary to net neutrality?  They're  
not throttling by speed; they're throttling features.  This is assuming that  
there isn't some other explanation, of course.


Net Neutrality:

"the idea, principle, or requirement that Internet service providers should  
or must treat all Internet data as the same regardless of its kind, source,  
or destination"


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/net%20neutrality

By the way thanks for the link

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-04 Thread adel 

I think that it's worth having this kind of discussion.

I didn't ask for help to use YouTube, IE, etc.  I just wanted to talk about  
whether Youtube/Google might give its web browser preferential treatment via  
YouTube.  And what the boundaries are, if there are any here.

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-03 Thread onpon4 
It could just be that IE doesn't support fullscreen. It wouldn't surprise me  
considering how old it is. I do remember in the early experimental days that  
YouTube's HTML5 player didn't support fullscreen at all and I got the  
impression that was a technical limitation.

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-03 Thread J.B. Nicholson 

a...@ncf.ca wrote:
Is there a reason that Google/YouTube won't do full-screen video in 
Internet Explorer?


We're not Google or YouTube's tech support.


I wondered whether Youtube/Google was diminishing compatibility with
their competitors' web browsers to give their own web browser an
advantage in the market.
Perhaps so; you should try asking them since it's their webpage. As far as 
any free software distro mailing list ought to be concerned, this might be 
a fight between software proprietors and you'd be better off finding the 
videos you seek elsewhere, or using a free program such as youtube-dl to 
download the videos (which I understand doesn't execute the non-free JS 
code YouTube serves), or skipping them in favor of videos that favor free 
software. archive.org hosts many such videos and doesn't require non-free 
software to work with at all.


I certainly recommend avoiding non-free software such as Windows, Google 
Chrome, and the non-free code in YouTube altogether.

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-03 Thread i_write_words 
FYI, you don't have to worry about this if you use Belenos or Flidas, but  
YouTube is completely silent on Firefox without pulseaudio now.


Of course you can always download the video and watch it on a media player,  
but that is legally confusing language that actually means attacking a ship,  
killing its crew, and stealing its cargo in some countries.


Google is so not your friend.

Re: [Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-03 Thread yuval . levental 
Pretty much, they want to have as much dominance over our browsing as  
possible.


You would be interested in this critique of Google & Co. by Richard Stallman:  
https://stallman.org/google.html


"Youtube requires nonfree software (Javascript code) for normal use of the  
site; after changes Google made in August 2017, nothing is visible in a  
typical Youtube page without running its nonfree Javascript code."

[Trisquel-users] an observation about YouTube

2017-10-03 Thread adel 
Today I opened YouTube in Internet Explorer on a Microsoft Windows Vista  
computer.  The "full screen" button in YouTube's JavaScript (?) video player  
was greyed out, and I couldn't watch videos in full screen mode.  At the top  
of the website, a narrow banner recommended Google Chrome.


Is there a reason that Google/YouTube won't do full-screen video in Internet  
Explorer?  I wondered whether Youtube/Google was diminishing compatibility  
with their competitors' web browsers to give their own web browser an  
advantage in the market.  Maybe the full-screen button was greyed out because  
I did something wrong, maybe something to do with Vista not being supported  
any more (is it?), or maybe there's some other reason for YouTube's lesser  
functionality on Internet Explorer.


Any thoughts?  Has this happend with others' Internet Explorer, Safari,  
Firefox, etc?  Are there laws (which countries/etc?) that restrict or  
prohibit preferential treatment like this might be?


Although not exactly the same, it reminds me of Microsoft's HTML situation:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/17/opera_ceo_microsoft/