FW: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
Let me add a big Amen to JDs comments. I not only understood it. I learned from it and agree with it. Thank you brother. The best approach, many times, is to just tell people how Jesus changed your life. (From what you was, to what you is ) Terry Thanks for these words. Much to think on - between the lines. jd -- Original message -- From: Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine writes Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. NKJ Mark 5:1 Then they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when He had come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, ... 18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did not permit him, but said to him, Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you. 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him; and all marveled. You might want to ruminate on this passage a while, Blaine. Only one of the ten citieswhich together made up the Decapolis was located to the west of the River Jordan (it was called Scythopolis, a.k.a. Bethshaen). The rest weresituated beyond the banks ofthe promised land, in what could only be classified Gentile territory (the other nine cities were Hippos, Gadara, Pella, Philadelphia, Gerasa [home of the Garasenes, a.k.a. Gadarenes], Dion, Canatha, Raphana, and Damascus).Indeed Jesus sent this duly impressed Gentile into the far country to publish (GR. karussein) his story until throughout Decapolis all kept on marveling(imperfect tense) at what Jesus had done. And, Blaine, I find it quite noteworthy that Jesus did this without first proselytizing himin thedoctrines and duties of the Jewish people. IF I had a complaint, it would be that many Christians get bogged done in the minutiae of their peculiar forms of legalism and fail to realize this subtle but profound point. To their shame, the astonishing truthremains that Jesus sent this brand new Gentile convert out withoutany discipling at all,not permitting him tostay on with them and learn through the traditions of his peoplethe proper way of holiness.The truth is he sent him out without so much as a whisper from the lawand prophets, offwithout a word on thedo's and don'ts of godly living. No law. No commandments. No holy days. No feasts orordinances -- justa simple request: Tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you. In your post you claim that Peter was the first to introduce the Gospel to the Gentiles. In fact,Blaine,he was not. A caveman from Gerasa gets credit for that one. What Peter was was the first JEW to go to the Gentiles. Ah yes, but before he was fit to go, he had to come to grips with the fact that what Jesus had done under law for the Jews, he had accomplished as well for the Gentiles -- and this he did for them apart from the law! Indeed before he could go, Peter had to grasp the fact that he dare not foist upon Greeks his Jewish customs: for who washe tocall unholy what God in Christhad cleansed? Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep The Gentiles first received the gospel by way of the Apostles--Peter first received the command to carry the message to those whom God had cleansed as he saw the sheet lowered with the unclean animals on it, and was commanded to Rise, Peter, Kill and eat. This was the introduction of any Gentile to a gospel message. Paul was then commissioned to carry the message to Gentiles, and was deemed the apostle to the Gentiles. Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. They never heard his voice, yet he says, Other sheep I have which are not of this fold, and they too must Hear My Voice! His personal appearances were ALWAYS reserved for the House of Israel, ONLY!! In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:33:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/3/2006 7:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep What about this? Matthew 15:22-26 And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to the dogs. Do you not believe your
Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
- Original Message - From: Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/5/2006 1:50:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep Blaine writes Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. NKJ Mark 5:1 Then they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when He had come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, ... 18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did not permit him, but said to him, "Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him; and all marveled. You might want to ruminate on this passage a while, Blaine. Only one of the "ten cities"which together made up the Decapolis was located to the west of the River Jordan (it was called Scythopolis, a.k.a. Bethshaen). The rest weresituated beyond the banks ofthe "promised land," in what could only be classified Gentile territory (the other nine cities were Hippos, Gadara, Pella, Philadelphia, Gerasa [home of the "Garasenes," a.k.a. "Gadarenes"], Dion, Canatha, Raphana, and Damascus).Indeed Jesus sent this duly impressed Gentile into the far country to "publish" (GR. karussein) his story until throughout Decapolis "all kept on marveling(imperfect tense) at what Jesus had done." And, Blaine, I find it quite noteworthy that Jesus did this without first proselytizing himin thedoctrines and duties of the Jewish people. IF I had a complaint, it would be that many Christians get bogged done in the minutiae of their peculiar forms of legalism and fail to realize this subtle but profound point. To their shame, the astonishing truthremains that Jesus sent this brand new Gentile convert out withoutany discipling at all,not permitting him tostay on with them and learn through the traditions of his peoplethe proper way of holiness.The truth is he sent him out without so much as a whisper from the lawand prophets, offwithout a word on thedo's and don'ts of godly living. No law. No commandments. No holy days. No feasts orordinances -- justa simple request: "Tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." In your post you claim that Peter was the first to introduce the Gospel to the Gentiles. In fact,Blaine,he was not. A caveman from Gerasa gets credit for that one. What Peter was was the first JEW to go to the Gentiles. Ah yes, but before he was fit to go, he had to come to grips with the fact that what Jesus had done under law for the Jews, he had accomplished as well for the Gentiles -- and this he did for them apart from the law! Indeed before he could go, Peter had to grasp the fact that he dare not foist upon Greeks his Jewish customs: for who washe tocall unholy what God in Christhad cleansed? Bill cd: Well stated Taylor-The Samaritan women also preached of Jesus and did not consider herself a Jew-for she said" How is it that thou,being a Jew askest drink of me,which am a Samarian"? And went her way into the city, and saith to the men. Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: Is not this the Christ?I believe God gives us simple understanding first and then later deeper understanding of the law. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep The Gentiles first received the gospel by way of the Apostles--Peter first received the command to carry the message to those whom God had cleansed as he saw the sheet lowered with the unclean animals on it, and was commanded to "Rise, Peter, Kill and eat." This was the introduction of any Gentile to a gospel message. Paul was then commissioned to carry the message to Gentiles, and was deemed the apostle to the Gentiles. Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. They never heard his voice, yet he says, "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold, and they too must Hear My Voice!" His personal appearances were ALWAYS reserved for the House of Israel, ONLY!! In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:33:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/3/2006 7:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep What about this? Matthew 15:22-26 "And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the Ho
Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
Blainerb: There were many Jews throughout the Roman Empire. It doesn't really say whether this fellow with the unclean spirit was a Gentile or a Jew. More than likely he was considered by the Lord to be an Israelite, however, consideringHe had already explicitly stated his ministry was "but to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel." Regards the caveman from Geresa?? I would need a source for that one. In a message dated 1/4/2006 11:50:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine writes Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. NKJ Mark 5:1 Then they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when He had come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, ... 18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did not permit him, but said to him, "Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him; and all marveled. You might want to ruminate on this passage a while, Blaine. Only one of the "ten cities"which together made up the Decapolis was located to the west of the River Jordan (it was called Scythopolis, a.k.a. Bethshaen). The rest weresituated beyond the banks ofthe "promised land," in what could only be classified Gentile territory (the other nine cities were Hippos, Gadara, Pella, Philadelphia, Gerasa [home of the "Garasenes," a.k.a. "Gadarenes"], Dion, Canatha, Raphana, and Damascus).Indeed Jesus sent this duly impressed Gentile into the far country to "publish" (GR. karussein) his story until throughout Decapolis "all kept on marveling(imperfect tense) at what Jesus had done." And, Blaine, I find it quite noteworthy that Jesus did this without first proselytizing himin thedoctrines and duties of the Jewish people. IF I had a complaint, it would be that many Christians get bogged done in the minutiae of their peculiar forms of legalism and fail to realize this subtle but profound point. To their shame, the astonishing truthremains that Jesus sent this brand new Gentile convert out withoutany discipling at all,not permitting him tostay on with them and learn through the traditions of his peoplethe proper way of holiness.The truth is he sent him out without so much as a whisper from the lawand prophets, offwithout a word on thedo's and don'ts of godly living. No law. No commandments. No holy days. No feasts orordinances -- justa simple request: "Tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." In your post you claim that Peter was the first to introduce the Gospel to the Gentiles. In fact,Blaine,he was not. A caveman from Gerasa gets credit for that one. What Peter was was the first JEW to go to the Gentiles. Ah yes, but before he was fit to go, he had to come to grips with the fact that what Jesus had done under law for the Jews, he had accomplished as well for the Gentiles -- and this he did for them apart from the law! Indeed before he could go, Peter had to grasp the fact that he dare not foist upon Greeks his Jewish customs: for who washe tocall unholy what God in Christhad cleansed? Bill
Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
Blaine writes More than likely he wasconsidered by the Lord to be an Israelite . . ." A tomb-dwelling Israelite: that's a good one! Are you familiar with the thousands of graves which line the eastern wall of old Jerusalem, which block the gate and stretch to and throughthe Valley Kidron? Do you know why they're there?It would take more than a legion to cause a Jew to lie with the dead. _ Blaine writes Regards the caveman from Geresa?? I would need a source for that one. Mark 5:1 "They went across the lake to the region of the Gerasenes[and] there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit," Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep Blainerb: There were many Jews throughout the Roman Empire. It doesn't really say whether this fellow with the unclean spirit was a Gentile or a Jew. More than likely he was considered by the Lord to be an Israelite, however, consideringHe had already explicitly stated his ministry was "but to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel." Regards the caveman from Geresa?? I would need a source for that one. In a message dated 1/4/2006 11:50:33 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blaine writes Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. NKJ Mark 5:1 Then they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when He had come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, ... 18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did not permit him, but said to him, "Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him; and all marveled. You might want to ruminate on this passage a while, Blaine. Only one of the "ten cities"which together made up the Decapolis was located to the west of the River Jordan (it was called Scythopolis, a.k.a. Bethshaen). The rest weresituated beyond the banks ofthe "promised land," in what could only be classified Gentile territory (the other nine cities were Hippos, Gadara, Pella, Philadelphia, Gerasa [home of the "Garasenes," a.k.a. "Gadarenes"], Dion, Canatha, Raphana, and Damascus).Indeed Jesus sent this duly impressed Gentile into the far country to "publish" (GR. karussein) his story until throughout Decapolis "all kept on marveling(imperfect tense) at what Jesus had done." And, Blaine, I find it quite noteworthy that Jesus did this without first proselytizing himin thedoctrines and duties of the Jewish people. IF I had a complaint, it would be that many Christians get bogged done in the minutiae of their peculiar forms of legalism and fail to realize this subtle but profound point. To their shame, the astonishing truthremains that Jesus sent this brand new Gentile convert out withoutany discipling at all,not permitting him tostay on with them and learn through the traditions of his peoplethe proper way of holiness.The truth is he sent him out without so much as a whisper from the lawand prophets, offwithout a word on thedo's and don'ts of godly living. No law. No commandments. No holy days. No feasts orordinances -- justa simple request: "Tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." In your post you claim that Peter was the first to introduce the Gospel to the Gentiles. In fact,Blaine,he was not. A caveman from Gerasa gets credit for that one. What Peter was was the first JEW to go to the Gentiles. Ah yes, but before he was fit to go, he had to come to grips with the fact that what Jesus had done under law for the Jews, he had accomplished as well for the Gentiles -- and this he did for them apart from the law! Indeed before he could go, Peter had to grasp the fact that he dare not foist upon Greeks his Jewish customs: for who washe tocall unholy what God in Christhad cleansed? Bill -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.
Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/3/2006 7:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep What about this? Matthew 15:22-26 "And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to the dogs." Do you not believe your Bible? Here He actually stated in so many words his mission was to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL only. The woman from Caanan, although a Gentile, was an exception because of her great faith. cd: Then does that mean that gentiles cannot be saved? If his words were for the "House of Israel" only then why are we told to live by those same words that Jesus spoke to the Jews? If so then the message that Jesus carried were for all men-this was foretold as the Jews had to first be offered the truth with the understanding that they would reject that truth-it was also foretold that Jesus would die for the sins of the whole world-so he was also here for the whole world not just the Jews. We then are grafted intothe tribes-and in a sense become a part of the promise given to Abraham and are actually grafted into Israel (ie. Romans 11:17) His mission to the Samaritans was due to the largeamount of the bloodof Israel in that group of people. The Samaritans were a mixture of Israelite bloodlines and Babylonian bloodlines--they were descendants ofthose Jews who were not taken captive in the Babylonian Captivity, and who intermarried with the Babylonians who were sent from Babylon to occupy the land. Because the Jews would not recognize their Israelite heritage, they even had a separate temple, alter, priests, etc. But Jesus, knowing all things, knewmany of themwere also Israelites. This was not a contradiction to his stance that he was sent "but to the House of Israel." cd: The Samaritans were more correctly termed half-Jews (ie mixture of gentile and Jewish blood) as such they were outcasts to which the Jews would have no part of-nor any dealing with-as a half Jew is regarded as a gentiles-It is my view that Jesus helped those whom asked for help-Jew or Gentile.After the Babylonian captivityEzra separated those that inner married with those Gentiles mentioned and the Jewish blood line remained pure (ie. see Ezra 10: 6-17). Not only that, but if his mission was "but to the House of Israel," what about those Israelites--ten tribes of them--who had already been taken captive many years earlier into the "Northlands" by Assyria? How was he to minister to them? The Jews were basically two tribes only--Judah and Benjamin--and parts of a third tribe, Levi. The other ten tribes had been takencaptive years earlier and were never heard from again. They are even today referred to as the "Lost Ten tribes." So what about them? Did THE SAVIOR NOT CARE ABOUT THEM? cd: In Bible prophecy we are told to look for Israel to become a nation again as a sign of the last days of the Gentile world rule-to wit the Messianic Jews and the converted Gentiles will rule the worldunder the leadership of Jesus Christ (ie. King of Kings) at this same time there is a seven year time of testing and the outpouring of Gods wrath-within this same time period God seals 12,000 from each tribe of Israel equaling 144,000 and each tribe is mentioned as being present in Israel (ie. Rev.7,14). The nation of Israel came into existence May 14,1947 and was ratified in 1969-This has never happened in the history of the world-no nation has ever ceased to exist for 2,000 years and returned-yet Israel has done so. The Jews have returned and all the tribes are present-so therefore logic would dictate there are no "lost tribes".The sheep of another fold was the Gentiles. In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:48:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: I see no contradictions of my original statement Blain-The Gospel was first preached to the Jews and later given to the sheep of another fold(gentiles). You also failed to explain the gospel being given to the Samaritan women-please do so?? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/24/2005 4:14:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:18:51 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: Jesus didn't stay he wasn't here for the Gentiles-He said that he was here first for the Jews-and later the gentiles upon the Jews rejection. Jew spoke to and healed many gentiles. The Samaritan woman at the well was one of those he preached to-there were many others.The other sheep mentioned were gentiles Your total lack of understanding of the NT record is showing Deano, buddy. Jesus sent ONLY to the House of Israel-- see Matthew 15:22-26 "And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he an
Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
The Gentiles first received the gospel by way of the Apostles--Peter
first received the command to carry the message to those whom God had cleansed
as he saw the sheet lowered with the unclean animals on it, and was commanded to
"Rise, Peter, Kill and eat."
This was the introduction of any Gentile to a gospel message.
Paul was then commissioned to carry the message to Gentiles, and was deemed the
apostle to the Gentiles.
Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them
except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. They
never heard his voice, yet he says, "Other sheep I have which are not of this
fold, and they too must Hear My
Voice!" His personal appearances were
ALWAYS reserved for the House of Israel, ONLY!!
In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:33:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/3/2006 7:39:32 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday
Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
What about
this?
Matthew 15:22-26
"And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and
said, I am not sent but to the lost
sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the
children's bread, and cast it to the dogs."
Do you not believe your Bible? Here He
actually stated in so many words his mission was to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL
only. The woman from Caanan,
although a Gentile, was an exception because of
her great faith.
cd: Then does that mean that gentiles cannot
be saved? If his words were for the "House of Israel" only then why are we
told to live by those same words that Jesus spoke to the Jews? If so then
the message that Jesus carried were for all men-this was foretold as the
Jews had to first be offered the truth with the understanding that they
would reject that truth-it was also foretold that Jesus would die for the
sins of the whole world-so he was also here for the whole world not just the
Jews. We then are grafted intothe tribes-and in a sense become a
part of the promise given to Abraham and are actually grafted into Israel
(ie. Romans 11:17)
His mission to the Samaritans was due to the
largeamount of the bloodof Israel in that group of people.
The Samaritans were a mixture of Israelite bloodlines and Babylonian
bloodlines--they were descendants ofthose Jews who were not taken
captive in the Babylonian Captivity, and who intermarried with the
Babylonians who were sent from Babylon to occupy the land. Because the
Jews would not recognize their Israelite heritage, they even had a separate
temple, alter, priests, etc. But Jesus, knowing all things,
knewmany of themwere also Israelites. This
was not a contradiction to his stance that he was sent "but to the House of
Israel."
cd: The Samaritans were more
correctly termed half-Jews (ie mixture of gentile and Jewish blood) as such
they were outcasts to which the Jews would have no part of-nor any dealing
with-as a half Jew is regarded as a gentiles-It is my view that Jesus helped
those whom asked for help-Jew or Gentile.After the Babylonian
captivityEzra separated those that inner married with those Gentiles
mentioned and the Jewish blood line remained pure (ie. see Ezra 10: 6-17).
Not only that, but if his mission was
"but to the House of Israel," what about those Israelites--ten tribes of
them--who had already been taken captive many years earlier into the
"Northlands" by Assyria? How was he to minister to
them? The Jews were basically two tribes only--Judah and Benjamin--and
parts of a third tribe, Levi. The other ten tribes had been
takencaptive years earlier and were never heard from again. They
are even today referred to as the "Lost Ten tribes." So what
about them? Did THE SAVIOR NOT CARE ABOUT THEM?
cd: In Bible prophecy we are told to look
for Israel to become a nation again as a sign of the last days of the
Gentile world rule-to wit the Messianic Jews and the converted Gentiles will
rule the worldunder the leadership of Jesus Christ (ie. King of Kings)
at this same time there is a seven year time of testing and the outpouring
of Gods wrath-within this same time period God seals 12,000 from each tribe
of Israel equaling 144,000 and each tribe is mentioned as being present in
Israel (ie. Rev.7,14). The nation of Israel came into existence May 14,1947
and was ratified in 1969-This has never happened in the history of the
world-no nation has ever ceased to exist for 2,000 years and returned-yet
Israel has done so. The Jews have returned and all the tribes are pr
Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
Blaine writes Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. NKJ Mark 5:1 Then they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when He had come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, ... 18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did not permit him, but said to him, "Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him; and all marveled. You might want to ruminate on this passage a while, Blaine. Only one of the "ten cities"which together made up the Decapolis was located to the west of the River Jordan (it was called Scythopolis, a.k.a. Bethshaen). The rest weresituated beyond the banks ofthe "promised land," in what could only be classified Gentile territory (the other nine cities were Hippos, Gadara, Pella, Philadelphia, Gerasa [home of the "Garasenes," a.k.a. "Gadarenes"], Dion, Canatha, Raphana, and Damascus).Indeed Jesus sent this duly impressed Gentile into the far country to "publish" (GR. karussein) his story until throughout Decapolis "all kept on marveling(imperfect tense) at what Jesus had done." And, Blaine, I find it quite noteworthy that Jesus did this without first proselytizing himin thedoctrines and duties of the Jewish people. IF I had a complaint, it would be that many Christians get bogged done in the minutiae of their peculiar forms of legalism and fail to realize this subtle but profound point. To their shame, the astonishing truthremains that Jesus sent this brand new Gentile convert out withoutany discipling at all,not permitting him tostay on with them and learn through the traditions of his peoplethe proper way of holiness.The truth is he sent him out without so much as a whisper from the lawand prophets, offwithout a word on thedo's and don'ts of godly living. No law. No commandments. No holy days. No feasts orordinances -- justa simple request: "Tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." In your post you claim that Peter was the first to introduce the Gospel to the Gentiles. In fact,Blaine,he was not. A caveman from Gerasa gets credit for that one. What Peter was was the first JEW to go to the Gentiles. Ah yes, but before he was fit to go, he had to come to grips with the fact that what Jesus had done under law for the Jews, he had accomplished as well for the Gentiles -- and this he did for them apart from the law! Indeed before he could go, Peter had to grasp the fact that he dare not foist upon Greeks his Jewish customs: for who washe tocall unholy what God in Christhad cleansed? Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep The Gentiles first received the gospel by way of the Apostles--Peter first received the command to carry the message to those whom God had cleansed as he saw the sheet lowered with the unclean animals on it, and was commanded to "Rise, Peter, Kill and eat." This was the introduction of any Gentile to a gospel message. Paul was then commissioned to carry the message to Gentiles, and was deemed the apostle to the Gentiles. Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. They never heard his voice, yet he says, "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold, and they too must Hear My Voice!" His personal appearances were ALWAYS reserved for the House of Israel, ONLY!! In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:33:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/3/2006 7:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep What about this? Matthew 15:22-26 "And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to the dogs." Do you not believe your Bible? Here He actually stated in so many words his mission was to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL only. The woman from Caanan, although a Gentile, was an exception because of her grea
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I like it when I read a post and actually learn something, don't you guys ?? Some great thoughts. I would review but you just wrote the post !! So, like the man said, "Don't just do someting, stand there!!" Thanks for these words. Much to think on - between the lines. jd -- Original message -- From: "Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Blaine writes Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. NKJ Mark 5:1 Then they came to the other side of the sea, to the country of the Gadarenes. 2 And when He had come out of the boat, immediately there met Him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit, ... 18 And when He got into the boat, he who had been demon-possessed begged Him that he might be with Him. 19 However, Jesus did not permit him, but said to him, "Go home to your friends, and tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." 20 And he departed and began to proclaim in Decapolis all that Jesus had done for him; and all marveled. You might want to ruminate on this passage a while, Blaine. Only one of the "ten cities"which together made up the Decapolis was located to the west of the River Jordan (it was called Scythopolis, a.k.a. Bethshaen). The rest weresituated beyond the banks ofthe "promised land," in what could only be classified Gentile territory (the other nine cities were Hippos, Gadara, Pella, Philadelphia, Gerasa [home of the "Garasenes," a.k.a. "Gadarenes"], Dion, Canatha, Raphana, and Damascus).Indeed Jesus sent this duly impressed Gentile into the far country to "publish" (GR. karussein) his story until throughout Decapolis "all kept on marveling(imperfect tense) at what Jesus had done." And, Blaine, I find it quite noteworthy that Jesus did this without first proselytizing himin thedoctrines and duties of the Jewish people. IF I had a complaint, it would be that many Christians get bogged done in the minutiae of their peculiar forms of legalism and fail to realize this subtle but profound point. To their shame, the astonishing truthremains that Jesus sent this brand new Gentile convert out withoutany discipling at all,not permitting him tostay on with them and learn through the traditions of his peoplethe proper way of holiness.The truth is he sent him out without so much as a whisper from the lawand prophets, offwithout a word on thedo's and don'ts of godly living. No law. No commandments. No holy days. No feasts orordinances -- justa simple request: "Tell them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He has had compassion on you." In your post you claim that Peter was the first to introduce the Gospel to the Gentiles. In fact,Blaine,he was not. A caveman from Gerasa gets credit for that one. What Peter was was the first JEW to go to the Gentiles. Ah yes, but before he was fit to go, he had to come to grips with the fact that what Jesus had done under law for the Jews, he had accomplished as well for the Gentiles -- and this he did for them apart from the law! Indeed before he could go, Peter had to grasp the fact that he dare not foist upon Greeks his Jewish customs: for who washe tocall unholy what God in Christhad cleansed? Bill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep The Gentiles first received the gospel by way of the Apostles--Peter first received the command to carry the message to those whom God had cleansed as he saw the sheet lowered with the unclean animals on it, and was commanded to "Rise, Peter, Kill and eat." This was the introduction of any Gentile to a gospel message. Paul was then commissioned to carry the message to Gentiles, and was deemed the apostle to the Gentiles. Jesus himself never went to the Gentiles. He never spoke to them except on one occasion thatwas an exception to his rule. They never heard his voice, yet he says, "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold, and they too must Hear My Voice!" His personal appearances were ALWAYS reserved for the House of Israel, ONLY!! In a message dated 1/4/2006 6:33:16 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/3/2006 7:39:32 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep What about this? Matthew 15:22-26 "And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to the dogs." Do you not believe your Bible? Here He actually stated in so many words his mission was to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL only. The woman fr
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What about this?
Matthew 15:22-26
"And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and
said, I am not sent but to the lost
sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's
bread, and cast it to the dogs."
Do you not believe your Bible? Here He
actually stated in so many words his mission was to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL
only. The woman from Caanan, although a
Gentile, was an exception because of her great
faith.
His mission to the Samaritans was due to the
largeamount of the bloodof Israel in that group of people. The
Samaritans were a mixture of Israelite bloodlines and Babylonian
bloodlines--they were descendants ofthose Jews who were not taken captive
in the Babylonian Captivity, and who intermarried with the Babylonians who were
sent from Babylon to occupy the land. Because the Jews would not recognize
their Israelite heritage, they even had a separate temple, alter, priests,
etc. But Jesus, knowing all things, knewmany of themwere also
Israelites. This was not a contradiction to his stance that
he was sent "but to the House of Israel."
Not only that, but if his mission was "but
to the House of Israel," what about those Israelites--ten tribes of them--who
had already been taken captive many years earlier into the "Northlands" by
Assyria? How was he to minister to them? The Jews were
basically two tribes only--Judah and Benjamin--and parts of a third tribe,
Levi. The other ten tribes had been takencaptive years earlier and
were never heard from again. They are even today referred to as the "Lost
Ten tribes." So what about them? Did THE SAVIOR NOT CARE ABOUT
THEM?
In a message dated 1/1/2006 8:48:23 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cd: I see no contradictions of my original
statement Blain-The Gospel was first preached to the Jews and later given to
the sheep of another fold(gentiles). You also failed to explain the gospel
being given to the Samaritan women-please do so??
- Original Message -
From:
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/24/2005 4:14:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday
Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep
In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:18:51 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
cd: Jesus didn't stay he wasn't here for the Gentiles-He
said that he was here first for the Jews-and later the gentiles upon the
Jews rejection. Jew spoke to and healed many gentiles. The Samaritan woman
at the well was one of those he preached to-there were many others.The
other sheep mentioned were gentiles
Your total lack of understanding of the NT record is showing Deano,
buddy.
Jesus sent ONLY to the House
of Israel-- see Matthew 15:22-26
"And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and
said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the House
of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the
children's bread, and cast it to the dogs."
Gentiles given the
gospel
Peter receivesa visionto preach to the Gentiles:(Read
entire chapter 11 in Acts) "
When they heard these things, they held their peace, , and glorified
god, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted
repentance unto life." Acts
11:18
The Jews were to actually hear his voice, but the Gentiles were to
receive the gospel via the Holy ghost and the preaching of the
Apostles--
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cd: I see no contradictions of my original statement Blain-The Gospel was first preached to the Jews and later given to the sheep of another fold(gentiles). You also failed to explain the gospel being given to the Samaritan women-please do so?? - Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/24/2005 4:14:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:18:51 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: Jesus didn't stay he wasn't here for the Gentiles-He said that he was here first for the Jews-and later the gentiles upon the Jews rejection. Jew spoke to and healed many gentiles. The Samaritan woman at the well was one of those he preached to-there were many others.The other sheep mentioned were gentiles Your total lack of understanding of the NT record is showing Deano, buddy. Jesus sent ONLY to the House of Israel-- see Matthew 15:22-26 "And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to the dogs." Gentiles given the gospel Peter receivesa visionto preach to the Gentiles:(Read entire chapter 11 in Acts) " When they heard these things, they held their peace, , and glorified god, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18 The Jews were to actually hear his voice, but the Gentiles were to receive the gospel via the Holy ghost and the preaching of the Apostles--
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In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:18:51 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: cd: Jesus didn't stay he wasn't here for the Gentiles-He said that he was here first for the Jews-and later the gentiles upon the Jews rejection. Jew spoke to and healed many gentiles. The Samaritan woman at the well was one of those he preached to-there were many others.The other sheep mentioned were gentiles Your total lack of understanding of the NT record is showing Deano, buddy. Jesus sent ONLY to the House of Israel-- see Matthew 15:22-26 "And behold a woman of Canaan came . . . but he answered and said, I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the House of Israel . . . It is not meet to take the children's bread, and cast it to the dogs." Gentiles given the gospel Peter receivesa visionto preach to the Gentiles:(Read entire chapter 11 in Acts) " When they heard these things, they held their peace, , and glorified god, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18 The Jews were to actually hear his voice, but the Gentiles were to receive the gospel via the Holy ghost and the preaching of the Apostles--
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- Original Message - From: To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 12/19/2005 10:13:45 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Saturday Sabbath/Other lost Israelite sheep JD was just stating a biblical truth, Dean. Jesus said several times he was sent to the house of Israel ONLY!!! He never went to the Gentiles. His apostles did that. But he did visit the Israelite branches in the Americas and the isles of the sea--these werehis "other sheep." And because the visit was in person, they heard his voice. Blainerb cd: Jesus didn't stay he wasn't here for the Gentiles-He said that he was here first for the Jews-and later the gentiles upon the Jews rejection. Jew spoke to and healed many gentiles. The Samaritan woman at the well was one of those he preached to-there were many others.The other sheep mentioned were gentiles-there were no Jews in early Americas only Indians which migrated from the south eastern part of Asia-DNA has proved this to be true. Also the lack of artifacts and language singularizes proves this did not happen. You have be deceived Blaine. In a message dated 12/19/2005 4:42:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainerb: VERY GOOD, jd!! Jesus said several times he was sentonly to the House of Israel, which is why he even went to the Samaritans, many of whom had Jewish bloodlines. That being concluded, what do you think when he said, "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold, and they too I must visit, and they too must Hear My Voice!" cd: Is John and the LDS in agreement now? In a message dated 12/17/2005 3:25:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ's physical ministry was to the Jew, only. He lived under the law and was the fulfillment of that law. In Him is the end of the law.
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JD was just stating a biblical truth, Dean. Jesus said several times he was sent to the house of Israel ONLY!!! He never went to the Gentiles. His apostles did that. But he did visit the Israelite branches in the Americas and the isles of the sea--these werehis "other sheep." And because the visit was in person, they heard his voice. Blainerb In a message dated 12/19/2005 4:42:06 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainerb: VERY GOOD, jd!! Jesus said several times he was sentonly to the House of Israel, which is why he even went to the Samaritans, many of whom had Jewish bloodlines. That being concluded, what do you think when he said, "Other sheep I have which are not of this fold, and they too I must visit, and they too must Hear My Voice!" cd: Is John and the LDS in agreement now? In a message dated 12/17/2005 3:25:29 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christ's physical ministry was to the Jew, only. He lived under the law and was the fulfillment of that law. In Him is the end of the law.
