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Of course it is; JC is the Word of God isn't He? Everytime God speaks - He speaks Truth - and every time it is God the Word - JC Let God be true and every man a liar On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:10:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: then Truth ain't JC put yet another way, the notionmouthedisbeyond falseness, it is implicitly untrue as is a lie,M'am On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As..we turn Genesis into a statement... jt: ..it's 'a statement of TRUTH'
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Big problem JD; the "biblical message" is something other than what you have been proffering on TT so far So why not just admit that you counsel using your own theology and that the results belong to you also?. jt: How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? JD: That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. Adam and Eve were not created with the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and nothing more. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? Take your Bible, open it to the first pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. No kidding. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years ago. Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd
Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism
myth (apparently JCs compadre Peter (e.g.)could tell fromvarious Synoptic conversations inc the one in Matt 17thatMoseswasn't a liar; also,JC himself, whoneverwrote aword ofMoses' Pentateuchusually refered to it as to Scripture,by definition true,referring only to its author:Moses) On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:16:18 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar -- for ref: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:10:15 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..[jt's] notion ['JC is Truth']..isbeyond falseness, it is implicitly untrue as is a lie,M'am On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As..we turn Genesis into a statement... jt: ..it's 'a statement of TRUTH'
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myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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I rest my case !! And a fourth post (of the morning) that is absolutely content free talk about "substance abuse !!" that is what goes on in your your posts. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big problem JD; the "biblical message" is something other than what you have been proffering on TT so far So why not just admit that you counsel using your own theology and that the results belong to you also?. jt: How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? JD: That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. Adam and Eve were not created with the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and nothing more. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? Take your Bible, open it to the first pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. No kidding. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years ago. Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd
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..mutual mouthymale mashing On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
RE: [TruthTalk] Creationism
Wow; now we are accused of being feminists. LOL! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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..yer Words iz yer bond(age) Babe On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:38:47 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow; now we are accused of being feminists. LOL! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
RE: [TruthTalk] Creationism
Mealy mouthed male. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:37 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism ..mutual mouthymale mashing On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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as the accumulating evidence suggests,certain Words doreveal preciselymanymonotonous mutualmonolithicmusingsmangling males On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:39:37 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mealy mouthed male. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:37 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism ..mutual mouthymale mashing On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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Nothing tacit here. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 06:56 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism as the accumulating evidence suggests,certain Words doreveal preciselymanymonotonous mutualmonolithicmusingsmangling males On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:39:37 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mealy mouthed male. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:37 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism ..mutual mouthymale mashing On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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cf Michael Polanyi - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 06:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism ..yer Words iz yer bond(age) Babe On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:38:47 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wow; now we are accused of being feminists. LOL! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism
I seem to recall that Carroll was a feminist. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 25, 2006 06:38 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Creationism Wow; now we are accused of being feminists. LOL! iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:33 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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I have been aware of such musings, myself. -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the accumulating evidence suggests,certain Words doreveal preciselymanymonotonous mutualmonolithicmusingsmangling males On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 05:39:37 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mealy mouthed male. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:37 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism ..mutual mouthymale mashing On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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You JDhave rejectedsubstance unlessconformed to your liking and by then it is no longer substance but mixture. So what would be the point?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:33:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I rest my case !! And a fourth post (of the morning) that is absolutely content free talk about "substance abuse !!" that is what goes on in your your posts. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big problem JD; the "biblical message" is something other than what you have been proffering on TT so far So why not just admit that you counsel using your own theology and that the results belong to you also?. jt: How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? JD: That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. Adam and Eve were not created with the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and nothing more. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? Take your Bible, open it to the first pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. No kidding. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years ago. Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice.
Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism
Not so; the statement of a man of God inspired by the Spirit of God "For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged" On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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which is certainly closer than ever toyouractual opinion On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:04:46 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: many malesmangling monotonous mutualmonolithicmusings ||
RE: [TruthTalk] Creationism
many mentally mangled malevolent males monotonous mutualmonolithicmusings From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:20 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism which is certainly closer than ever toyouractual opinion On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:04:46 -0600 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: many malesmangling monotonous mutualmonolithicmusings ||
Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism
Make that 5 posts. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] You JDhave rejectedsubstance unlessconformed to your liking and by then it is no longer substance but mixture. So what would be the point?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:33:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I rest my case !! And a fourth post (of the morning) that is absolutely content free talk about "substance abuse !!" that is what goes on in your your posts. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big problem JD; the "biblical message" is something other than what you have been proffering on TT so far So why not just admit that you counsel using your own theology and that the results belong to you also?. jt: How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? JD: That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. Adam and Eve were not created with the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and nothing more. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? Take your Bible, open it to the first pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. No kidding. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years ago. Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd
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I one was to READ ALL the Red posts, would the substance be encoded therein? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I rest my case !! And a fourth post (of the morning) that is absolutely content free talk about substance abuse !! that is what goes on in your your posts. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big problem JD; the biblical message is something other than what you have been proffering on TT so far So why not just admit that you counsel using your own theology and that the results belong to you also?. jt: How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? JD: That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Science has no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community and an innate longing to live beyond what we see. As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. Adam and Eve were not created with the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and nothing more. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? Take your Bible, open it to the first pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions.No kidding. I and my wife are one because God thought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account. While some of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years ago. Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning is to bring that child to say Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again. He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!!Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Oh thou, full of all Gender inequities, thou child of the sixties, when wilt thou cease to pervert the right ways of G? --- ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow; now we are accused of being feminists. LOL! iz _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:33 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism myth (feminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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See the RED for real substance encoding --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make that 5 posts. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] You JD have rejected substance unless conformed to your liking and by then it is no longer substance but mixture. So what would be the point?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:33:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I rest my case !! And a fourth post (of the morning) that is absolutely content free talk about substance abuse !! that is what goes on in your your posts. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big problem JD; the biblical message is something other than what you have been proffering on TT so far So why not just admit that you counsel using your own theology and that the results belong to you also?. jt: How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? JD: That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Science has no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community and an innate longing to live beyond what we see. As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. Adam and Eve were not created with the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and nothing more. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? Take your Bible, open it to the first pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions.No kidding. I and my wife are one because God thought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account. While some of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years ago. Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning is to bring that child to say Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again. He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!!Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts
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On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] edits: myth (the statement of a man of God inspired by the Spirit of God employed asfeminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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youractual opinion including its warp--can you take us even closer, to its woof?? On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:24:30 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: many mentally mangled malevolent males monotonous mutualmonolithicmusings From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:20 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism which is certainly closer than ever toyouractual opinion On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 06:04:46 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: many malesmangling monotonous mutualmonolithicmusings ||
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The "mythmaker" has woken up again Iz Look at the "partial truth" lies coming from his keyboard On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:29:49 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] edits: myth (the statement of a man of God inspired by the Spirit of God employed asfeminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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ROFL :) On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:40:32 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: See the RED for real "substance" encoding --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Make that 5 posts. -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] You JD have rejected substance unless conformed to your liking and by then it is no longer substance but mixture. So what would be the point??On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:33:51 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I rest my case !! And a fourth post (of the morning) that is absolutely content free talk about "substance abuse !!" that is what goes on in your your posts. jd -- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Big problem JD; the "biblical message" is something other than what you have been proffering on TT so far So why not just admit that you counsel using your own theology and that the results belong to you also?. jt: How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? JD: That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book.But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on.It does not appear that you do get what I have said. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts?Science has no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community and an innate longing to live beyond what we see. As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on.It does not appear that you do get what I have said. What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. Adam and Eve were not created with the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and nothing more. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? Take your Bible, open it to the first pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. No kidding. I and my wife are one because God thought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account. While some of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years ago. Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
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Judy is "implicitly" a liar. Do you get the point!! -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 04:32:50 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] edits: myth (the statement of a man of God inspired by the Spirit of God employed asfeminists' rhetoric) || On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 ..Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ..Let God be true and every man a liar - ..Funny how some guys take a false assumption to the extreme, hey Judy? iz
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] My goodness, jd. What DO you believe about Genesis??? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist. Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours of time to speak the words of creation that took only 26 seconds to actually speak) is rather simple -- you have somehow lost the context of my statement. My comments go the the notion that "day" is not a 24 hour period. To say that it is metaphorical doesnot mean that God did not create the world and even in the sequence depicted -- at least not to me. Such an admission , on my part, does not mean that I believe the Genesis account to be "scientific" as we understand that term , today. Look -- do you really believe that God worked so hard in His creation activity that he needed a 24 hour period of time to rest up !!!?? And "rest up " for what? Com'on David, this is impossible. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you mocking the concept that God created the world through faith and speaking? What does how long it takes for him to speak words have to do with how long it took for the world to come into being? I don't understand your point. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:
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If you, Kevin, said anything that warranted discussion.ZZ - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism Is there any doubt why there is a lack of discussion on TT? UR MUTHA wears Combat boots Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy:The next time you're asked a question about anything, just hand 'em a Bible with the accompanying instructions: READ IT. Perhaps they'll begin to speak with the clarity with which you do. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 06:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] My goodness, jd. What DO you believe about Genesis??? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written. First, an a
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'FEEL'? You a lib? Does the writing of some contain
a coded message? (What I'm saying is sufficiently superficial so as to warrant
the reader's contempt so.)
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 08:04
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Creationism
I FEEL like you are creating a "climate of contempt" I am going to turn
you in.
Seeing as your government tribunals have found that "Protected rights
must be interpreted broadly," while, "defences and exceptions
are to be applied narrowly." you are in BIG trouble now. Your opinions show
willful disdain of the law Human Rights Act 1985. Let the Canadian
Inquisition begin. I am calling now.Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you, Kevin, said anything that warranted
discussion.ZZ
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 07:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Creationism
Is there any doubt why there is a lack of discussion on TT?
UR MUTHA wears Combat boots Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Judy:The next time you're asked a question
about anything, just hand 'em a Bible with the accompanying
instructions: READ IT. Perhaps they'll begin to speak with the clarity
with which you do.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 24, 2006 06:26
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk]
Creationism
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What do I believe about
Genesis? Did you read any of my posts?
Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage,
our need for community andan innate
longing to live beyond what we
see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of
science, we lessen its value to the human
spirit.
How about a statement of TRUTH
communicated by the author of TRUTH then?
What do I get from reading those first three
chapters? That God is in control -- not
that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT
in control. He is my creator. I am in His
image.
He is your Creator but you are not in His
image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of
Christ already - in fact, not in theory
only. Your attitude to His Law would belie
that.
And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round
me. It tells me that I was created for others
-- my wife, my children and the world in which I
live.
The first three chapters of Genesis tells
you all of the above? Where?
It tells me I am responsible for much of my
actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible
!!
Newsflash!! You are responsible for
ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions.
I and my wife are one
becauseGodthought this to be the
case from the beginning. and
REST has as much a place in
the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I
get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you
only see a debate
You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord
would like to be One spirit with you JD
Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in
my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no
longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and
continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he
rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a
debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to
bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right
again." He won't do it. But if you ignore
the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make
sense to the way he is living his life -- the
objection vanishes into thin air. Theory?
Nope. It worked on both of my older boys -
the lawyer and the doctor. But I
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Department of Justice Canada284 Wellington StreetOttawa, OntarioCanada K1A 0H8 Minister of JusticeThe Honourable Vic ToewsMinister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada284 Wellington StreetOttawa, OntarioCanada K1A 0H8 (613) 957-4222 TTY: (613) 992-4556Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'FEEL'? You a lib? Does the writing of some contain a coded message? (What I'm saying is sufficiently superficial so as to warrant the reader's contempt so.)- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 08:04 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CreationismI FEEL like you are creating a "climate of contempt" I am going to turn you in. Seeing as your government tribunals have found that "Protected rights must be interpreted broadly," while, "defences and exceptions are to be applied narrowly." you are in BIG trouble now. Your opinions show willful disdain of the law Human Rights Act 1985. Let the Canadian Inquisition begin. I am calling now.Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you, Kevin, said anything that warranted discussion.ZZ- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 07:08 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CreationismIs there any doubt why there is a lack of discussion on TT? UR MUTHA wears Combat boots Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy:The next time you're asked a question about anything, just hand 'em a Bible with the accompanying instructions: READ IT. Perhaps they'll begin to speak with the clarity with which you do.- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 06:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] CreationismFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then?What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that.And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live.The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where?It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !!Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] My goodness, jd. What DO you believe about Genesis??? izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist. Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours of time to speak the w
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A guy who thinks "ur mutha wears Combat (let's be sure to capitalized that word) boots" has something to say concerning [real] discussion on TT !!?? Tell me it isn't so. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is there any doubt why there is a lack of discussion on TT? UR MUTHA wears Combat boots Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy:The next time you're asked a question about anything, just hand 'em a Bible with the accompanying instructions: READ IT. Perhaps they'll begin to speak with the clarity with which you do. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 24, 2006 06:26 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd -- Original message -- From: "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] My goodness, jd. What DO you believe about Genesis??? iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 3:36 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist. Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours of time to speak the words of creation that took only 26 seconds to actually speak) is rather simple -- you have somehow lost the context of my statement. My comments go the the notion that "day" is not a 24 hour period. To say that it is metaphorical doesnot mean that God did not create the world and even in the sequence depicted -- at least not to me. Such an admission , on my part, does not mean that I believe the Genesis account to be "scientific" as we understand that term , today. Look -- do you really believe that God worked so hard in His creation activity that he needed a 24 hour period of time to rest up !!!?? And "rest up " for what? Com'on David, this is impossible. jd -- Original message -- From: "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you mocking the concept that God created the world through faith and speaking? What does how long it takes for him to speak words have to do with how long it took for the world to come into being? I don't understand your point. David Miller - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] What do I believe about Genesis? Did you read any of my posts? Sciencehas no answers to our confusion, our bondage, our need for community andan innate longing to live beyond what we see.As soon as we turn Genesis into a statement of science, we lessen its value to the human spirit. How about a statement of TRUTH communicated by the author of TRUTH then? That is exactly what I am saying. I counsel others as time permits. I use the biblical message in my work. That does not mean the Bible is a counseling manual !! Neither is it a science book. But if you don't get what I am saying in the above, just move on. It does not appear that you do get what I have said. What do I get from reading those first three chapters? That God is in control -- not that He is SOMEHOW in control - but that He is IN FACT in control. He is my creator. I am in His image. He is your Creator but you are not in His image unless you have been totally conformed to the image of Christ already - in fact, not in theory only. Your attitude to His Law would belie that. Adam and Eve were not created with the nature of Christ as their mainstay !! Just JudySpeak and nothing more. And even when I fall, He continues to hover over and round me. It tells me that I was created for others -- my wife, my children and the world in which I live. The first three chapters of Genesis tells you all of the above? Where? Take your Bible, open it to the first pages of Genesis, lean over until your nose is nearly touching those pages and BAM !!!, YOU WILL SEE IT. It tells me I am responsible for much of my actions. Work is a curse because I must be responsible !! Newsflash!! You are responsible for ALL of your thoughts as well as your actions. No kidding. I and my wife are one becauseGodthought this to be the case from the beginning. and REST has as much a place in the coming and goings of man as work. That's what I get out of this Genesis account.Whilesome of you only see a debate You and your wife are one flesh; the Lord would like to be One spirit with you JD Done deal, Judge Judy . beginning many years ago. Do you know the best way of dealing with a child - in my case an older son -- who comes home announcing that he no longer believes in the bible??!! IGNORE that comment and continue to be a witness , using, at times, the very book that he rejects. DO NOT, repeat, DO NOT challenge him/her to a debate. You will not win, if your version of :winning" is to bring that child to say "Iwas wrong, Dad, and you were right again." He won't do it. But if you ignore the challenge, and give biblical presentations that make sense to the way he is living his life -- the objection vanishes into thin air. Theory? Nope. It worked on both of my older boys - the lawyer and the doctor. But I digress with some free advice. The long and short of the lesson is this -- make the Bible THE battle ground and you will lose the war !!! Present the Bible as something that offers life in the Spirit of God in the Christ of God and you have a winner. jd
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then Truth ain't JC put yet another way, the notionmouthedisbeyond falseness, it is implicitly untrue as is a lie,M'am On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 01:05:59 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As..we turn Genesis into a statement... jt: ..it's 'a statement of TRUTH'
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Lance wrote: There are evolutionists who are Christians. There are various kinds of creationists who are Christians. The majority of Christians simply adopt a don't know/don't care position. I would say that EVERY believer in Jesus Christ must be a creationist. Would you disagree with this statement? David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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David:I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this not to be a trick question. So then, yes. I am a teleological evolutionist thus making me 'that sort' of 'creationist'. Lucid? - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 17, 2006 09:42 Subject: [TruthTalk] Creationism Lance wrote: There are evolutionists who are Christians. There are various kinds of creationists who are Christians. The majority of Christians simply adopt a don't know/don't care position. I would say that EVERY believer in Jesus Christ must be a creationist. Would you disagree with this statement? David Miller -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Bill Taylor wrote: I was under the impression that the Carbon dating of the blood from its bones had given indication of a fairly recent date (within a few thousand years). I am unaware of any carbon dating being done on this specimen. Such a thought would never enter the mind of the evolutionist because carbon dating can't go back further than 50,000 years tops and the evolutionist is already confident that the bones are far older than that. Furthermore, I doubt that there is enough organic material to do such a test. They had to grind the bone for the assays that seemed to indicate the presence of hemoglobin, and I had the impression that they would not have enough material for radiometric dating. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Thanks for the helpful information. If you come across anything more, would you please let me know about it. I am very interested. Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism Bill Taylor wrote: I was under the impression that the Carbon dating of the blood from its bones had given indication of a fairly recent date (within a few thousand years). I am unaware of any carbon dating being done on this specimen. Such a thought would never enter the mind of the evolutionist because carbon dating can't go back further than 50,000 years tops and the evolutionist is already confident that the bones are far older than that. Furthermore, I doubt that there is enough organic material to do such a test. They had to grind the bone for the assays that seemed to indicate the presence of hemoglobin, and I had the impression that they would not have enough material for radiometric dating. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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All of this to say that I know what you mean: people will always find a way to justify their beliefs. Bill Oh, isnt that the truth! Amazing how people ignore scripture. Izzy
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Bill Taylor wrote: In a free moment down the road will you speak a few words to the recent discovery in, I believe it was, Montana, where a T-Rex was found and discovered to have been preserved with blood still in its composition? Are you familiar with this? The limited information I have received on the subject leads me to a conclusion that this particular dinosaur is not nearly as old as evolutions want us to believe overall. I am somewhat familiar with this, but I'm not sure how effective it will be for establishing a young age to the bones. The evolutionist takes the position that certain molecules of the bone, even proteins, can be preserved for a very long time! Do you know a way to disprove this assertion? What strikes me as especially strange is that fossil sites often have a large number of marine shells in the sediment. I went to one fossil dig which was discovered in a shell pit. We were digging within marine shells. The evolutionists say that these terrestrial animals fell into the river and their bones congregated in the bend of the river, but there was no soil, no leaves, no twigs, nothing that would indicate that this was a river bed. The bones were all jumbled and even had scratches on them. Clearly, this was a catastrophic event. When I pointed all this out to my professor as we were digging, he just shrugged his shoulders and returned to digging. The Bible speaks of a global flood that destroyed these animals, but I still get people telling me that there is no evidence of a global flood. They ignore the fossils and vast sedimentary rocks found all over the earth. The evolutionary mindset blinds them to obvious facts which would support the Biblical account. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Remember to point out the mud slides in California the other day next time David! Thats no bend in the river either! Good point. Jeff - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 15:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism Bill Taylor wrote: In a free moment down the road will you speak a few words to the recent discovery in, I believe it was, Montana, where a T-Rex was found and discovered to have been preserved with blood still in its composition? Are you familiar with this? The limited information I have received on the subject leads me to a conclusion that this particular dinosaur is not nearly as old as evolutions want us to believe overall. I am somewhat familiar with this, but I'm not sure how effective it will be for establishing a young age to the bones. The evolutionist takes the position that certain molecules of the bone, even proteins, can be preserved for a very long time! Do you know a way to disprove this assertion? What strikes me as especially strange is that fossil sites often have a large number of marine shells in the sediment. I went to one fossil dig which was discovered in a shell pit. We were digging within marine shells. The evolutionists say that these terrestrial animals fell into the river and their bones congregated in the bend of the river, but there was no soil, no leaves, no twigs, nothing that would indicate that this was a river bed. The bones were all jumbled and even had scratches on them. Clearly, this was a catastrophic event. When I pointed all this out to my professor as we were digging, he just shrugged his shoulders and returned to digging. The Bible speaks of a global flood that destroyed these animals, but I still get people telling me that there is no evidence of a global flood. They ignore the fossils and vast sedimentary rocks found all over the earth. The evolutionary mindset blinds them to obvious facts which would support the Biblical account. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
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Thanks, David. I was climbing mountains one time near Canyon City, Colorado at about 9,000 ft above sea level, and found hundreds of rocks with sea shells fossilized within them. I thought, Wow, how did those sea shells get way up here? The theory, I was later told, is that those mountains had been pushed up over millions and millions of years from what used to be a salt lake. I think perhaps those mountains were pushed up, but not over a long period of time, instead relatively quickly, as the fountains of the deep burst forth. All of this to say that I know what you mean: people will always find a way to justify their beliefs. I suppose the same is true with the T-Rex in Montana. I was under the impression that the Carbon dating of the blood from its bones had given indication of a fairly recent date (within a few thousand years). Bill - Original Message - From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Creationism Bill Taylor wrote: In a free moment down the road will you speak a few words to the recent discovery in, I believe it was, Montana, where a T-Rex was found and discovered to have been preserved with blood still in its composition? Are you familiar with this? The limited information I have received on the subject leads me to a conclusion that this particular dinosaur is not nearly as old as evolutions want us to believe overall. I am somewhat familiar with this, but I'm not sure how effective it will be for establishing a young age to the bones. The evolutionist takes the position that certain molecules of the bone, even proteins, can be preserved for a very long time! Do you know a way to disprove this assertion? What strikes me as especially strange is that fossil sites often have a large number of marine shells in the sediment. I went to one fossil dig which was discovered in a shell pit. We were digging within marine shells. The evolutionists say that these terrestrial animals fell into the river and their bones congregated in the bend of the river, but there was no soil, no leaves, no twigs, nothing that would indicate that this was a river bed. The bones were all jumbled and even had scratches on them. Clearly, this was a catastrophic event. When I pointed all this out to my professor as we were digging, he just shrugged his shoulders and returned to digging. The Bible speaks of a global flood that destroyed these animals, but I still get people telling me that there is no evidence of a global flood. They ignore the fossils and vast sedimentary rocks found all over the earth. The evolutionary mindset blinds them to obvious facts which would support the Biblical account. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
