Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ?????
- Original Message - From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 12:49:04 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ? an Idol worshiper a PaganDAVEH: As I see it Dean, I don't worship idols. So for you to call me a pagan would be a false accusation. Do I get an apology for making that false representation? cd; Really-Then pray tell me who's statue is on top of your temple in SLC? Didn't look like Jesus to me? My Jesus spoke of a literal burning hell-What did you Jesus describe hell as being? My Jesus said that there were no marrying or giving of marriage in Heaven-What did you Jesus say on this subject? My Jesus said that there is only one God in heaven-What did you Jesus say again? My Jesus say that he was the way to heaven- Your religion say that in order to enter heaven one must come through theTemple/ J. Smith-Why? Your Jesus is not the Christ of the bible DavH-therefore you are worshipping anotherChrist- therefore you DavH are a Pagan-Therefore no apology will be given.-as I only apologize for speaking/doing wrong not for truth Dave.But if you can prove me wrong them of course I will indeed apologize to you-so far you have failed to do so-try harder-a good challenge makes one stronger ( or course this can also break a Weak Man' DavH)-which are you Iron or clay?if not then can I wittiness on TT?DAVEH: Your wittiness on TT surely brings a smile to many, Judge Dean! :-) cd: Ahh-But I have been hearing the echo of my voice on this site. You forget I am not alone in this indever and can do nothing without my redeemer. Fools will alway mock truth-right up to the point they stand before God -then the laughter turns to great trembling. By the way I have told you that I did not like the name Judge Dean-yet you continue to do so- How is this not Ad. Hom? You also forget that I have not been removed from the Job of Moderator as yet Dave-better stop-consider this your second warning too behave.Dean Moore wrote: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ? They'd be of their father the devil - at least that's how I understand it. jt cd; But we cannot tell them that here Judy-Wonder if we can call aSodomite a queer on TT? Or can we call a Homo a Sodomite without offending him?How about calling a Homo- Gay? How about calling a idol worshipper an Idol worshiper or an Idol worshiper a Pagan.I mean- what can we call those that do such thing-Christians?Do we have to refer to all as the Godly-as not to offend them and the owner of this site? Can we as Christians even express the Truth of what category God places the infidels on this site-No! As the name infidels can offend the infidel.We are commanded by God to carry his message all over the world-but we not allowed to do so on TT? I say if one is placed into a category them let the one that spoke the truth prove this is what the person is-and if the shoe fits let them wear it-at least then one will know in which he stands in the judgement.That is by no means harming others-on the contrary it is helping others-and I for on e would be afraid of the God that co mmanded His to do suc h if I stood against such a command-anywhere/anytime. That is the exact reason I did not hinder Sarah from preaching in SLC.One should wait and hear if the preachers is speaking truth-and if so be silent. In my short life I have learned that God's word does indeed shed light on groups and individuals-it exposed the works of darkness for what they are-can my light shine on TT-if not then can I wittiness on TT?If not-am I not directed to go to the next town after shaking the dust off my feet as a testimony AGAINST them? Yes I am Judy! Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:57:44 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So would they be called Pagan christians? Idol worshipping christians? Non christian christian? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because some ppl teach that you can cling to pagan ideas and still be a Christian since everyone was included in the "incarnation" right JD? DHcanmakethe point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" Those who haveeyes, let them see, Lord. jd On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:47:54 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? KD -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called you a Mormo
Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ?????
ftr,someone who knows, post pls the moderator's complete list ofthe characteristics ofChrist, both what Christ is what Christ is not is 'pagan' a technical word as narrow as 'deviating from the moderator's list', above? how did the moderator come by his conclusions, below, given that the thread is titled as a question? On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 09:29:37 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || you are worshipping anotherChrist- therefore you..are a Pagan
Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ?????
who's statue is on top of your temple in SLC? DAVEH: The angel Moroni, who is depicted as heralding the return of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Didn't look like Jesus to me? DAVEH: Have you seen Jesus? Jesus spoke of a literal burning hell DAVEH: ??? Do you have Scriptural references to back that up, Dean? My Jesus said that there were no marrying or giving of marriage in Heaven DAVEH: Perhaps you have misunderstood Jesus, Dean. That marriages would not take place in heaven is not disputed. Whether or not those relationships exist in heaven is another concept that you are not addressing. What did you Jesus say on this subject? DAVEH: The Lord suggested that marriages that are authoritatively sealed in mortality [Mt 18:18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. ..will remain in effect in heaven. Furthermore, Jesus warned. [Mk 10:9] What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. so Dean, do you really think God does not want man and wife to be together in heaven? My Jesus said that there is only one God in heaven DAVEH: That many Christians describe as one of three forms, seemingly ignoring that fact that each of those forms is referred to as God. What did you Jesus say again? [Ex 18:11] Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them. [Eph 4:5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism, [6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. It seems obvious that there is a plurality of Gods, but there is only one to whom we should worship. My Jesus say that he was the way to heaven DAVEH: With stipulations. Your religion say that in order to enter heaven one must come through theTemple/ J. Smith-Why? DAVEH: Why..When seeking the Lord, would you not expect to find him in the Lord's House? Your Jesus is not the Christ of the bible DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Dean. you DavH are a Pagan-Therefore no apology will be given DAVEH: I'm sorry to hear that, Judge Dean. Then I will request that Judge Moore reprimand you for using a personal attack, which in TT is breaking the ad-hom rule. if you can prove me wrong them of course I will indeed apologize to you DAVEH: Breaking the ad-hom rule is evidence of your wrongness, Judge Dean. I await the apology. good challenge makes one stronger ( or course this can also break a Weak Man' DavH)-which are you Iron or clay? DAVEH: Neither.Wouldn't you say that I am somewhat like Kevin..a cream puff?!?!?! :-) an Idol worshiper a Pagan DAVEH: As I see it Dean, I don't worship idols. So for you to call me a pagan would be a false accusation. Do I get an apology for making that false representation? cd; Really-Then pray tell me who's statue is on top of your temple in SLC? Didn't look like Jesus to me? My Jesus spoke of a literal burning hell-What did you Jesus describe hell as being? My Jesus said that there were no marrying or giving of marriage in Heaven-What did you Jesus say on this subject? My Jesus said that there is only one God in heaven-What did you Jesus say again? My Jesus say that he was the way to heaven- Your religion say that in order to enter heaven one must come through theTemple/ J. Smith-Why? Your Jesus is not the Christ of the bible DavH-therefore you are worshipping anotherChrist- therefore you DavH are a Pagan-Therefore no apology will be given.-as I only apologize for speaking/doing wrong not for truth Dave.But if you can prove me wrong them of course I will indeed apologize to you-so far you have failed to do so-try harder-a good challenge makes one stronger ( or course this can also break a Weak Man' DavH)-which are you Iron or clay? if not then can I wittiness on TT? DAVEH: Your wittiness on TT surely brings a smile to many, Judge Dean! :-) cd: Ahh-But I have been hearing the echo of my voice on this site. You forget I am not alone in this indever and can do nothing without my redeemer. Fools will alway mock truth-right up to the point they stand before God -then the laughter turns to great trembling. By the way I have told you that I did not like the name Judge Dean-yet you continue to do so- How is this not Ad. Hom? You also forget that I have not been removed from the Job of Moderator as yet Dave-better stop-consider this your second warning too behave. Dean Moore wrote: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ? They'd be of their father the devil - at least that's how I understand it. jt cd; But we cannot tell them that here Judy-Wonder if we can call aSodomite a queer on TT? Or can we call a Homo a Sodomite without offending him?How about calling a Homo- Gay? How about calling a idol worshipper an Idol worshiper
Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ?????
Actually, if we take it literal, can we not argue that hell is a burning trash dump somewhere outside Jerusalem? jd -- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] who's statue is on top of your temple in SLC?DAVEH: The angel Moroni, who is depicted as heralding the return of our Savior, Jesus Christ.Didn't look like Jesus to me?DAVEH: Have you seen Jesus?Jesus spoke of a literal burning hellDAVEH: ??? Do you have Scriptural references to back that up, Dean?My Jesus said that there were no marrying or giving of marriage in HeavenDAVEH: Perhaps you have misu nderstood Jesus, Dean. That marriages would not take place in heaven is not disputed. Whether or not those relationships exist in heaven is another concept that you are not addressing.What did you Jesus say on this subject?DAVEH: The Lord suggested that marriages that are authoritatively sealed in mortality[Mt 18:18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven...will remain in effect in heaven. Furthermore, Jesus warned.[Mk 10:9] What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.so Dean, do you really think God does not want man and wife to be together in heaven?My Jesus said that there is only one God in heavenDAVEH: That many Christians describe as one of three forms, seemingly ignoring that fact that each of those forms is referred to as God. What did you Jesus say again?[Ex 18:11] Now I know that the LORD is greater than all gods: for in the thing wherein they dealt proudly he was above them.[Eph 4:5] One Lord, one faith, one baptism,[6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all..It seems obvious that there is a plurality of Gods, but there is only one to whom we should worship.My Jesus say that he was the way to heavenDAVEH: With stipulations.Your religion say that in order to enter heaven one must come through theTemple/ J. Smith-Why?DAVEH: Why ..When seeking the Lord, would you not expect to find him in the Lord's House?Your Jesus is not the Christ of the bibleDAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Dean.you DavH are a Pagan-Therefore no apology will be givenDAVEH: I'm sorry to hear that, Judge Dean. Then I will request that Judge Moore reprimand you for using a personal attack, which in TT is breaking the ad-hom rule.if you can prove me wrong them of course I will indeed apologize to youDAVEH: Breaking the ad-hom rule is evidence of your wrongness, Judge Dean. I await the apology.good challenge makes one stronger ( or course this can also break a Weak Man' DavH)-which are you Iron or clay?DAVEH: Neither.Wouldn't you say that I am somewhat like Kevin..a cream puff?!?!?! :-) an Idol worshiper a PaganDAVEH: As I see it Dean, I don't worship idols. So for you to call me a pagan would be a false accusation. Do I get an apology for making that false representation? cd; Really-Then pray tell me who's statue is on top of your temple in SLC? Didn't look like Jesus to me? My Jesus spoke of a literal burning hell-What did you Jesus describe hell as being? My Jesus said that there were no marrying or giving of marriage in Heaven-What did you Jesus say on this subject? My Jesus said that there is only one God in heaven-What did you Jesus say again? My Jesus say that he was the way to heaven- Your religion say that in order to enter heaven one must come through theTemple/ J. Smith-Why? Your Jesus is not the Christ of the bible DavH-therefore you are worshipping anotherChrist- therefore you DavH are a Pagan-Therefore no apology will be given.-as I only apologize for speaking/doing wrong not for truth Dave.But if you can prove me wrong them of course I will indeed apologize to you -so far you have failed to do so-try harder-a good challenge makes one stronger ( or course this can also break a Weak Man' DavH)-which are you Iron or clay?if not then can I wittiness on TT?DAVEH: Your wittiness on TT surely brings a smile to many, Judge Dean! :-) cd: Ahh-But I have been hearing the echo of my voice on this site. You forget I am not alone in this indever and can do nothing without my redeemer. Fools will alway mock truth-right up to the point they stand before God -then the laughter turns to great trembling. By the way I have told you that I did not like the name Judge Dean-yet you continue to do so- How is this not Ad. Hom? You also forget that I have not been removed from the Job of Moderator as yet Dave-better stop-consider this your second warning too behave.Dean Moore wrote: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ? They'd be of their father the devil - at least that's how I understand it. jt cd; But we cannot tell them that here Judy-Wonder if we can call aSodomite a queer on TT? Or can we call a Homo a Sodomite without offending him?How about calling a Homo- Gay? How about calling a idol worshipper an Idol worshiper
Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ?????
an Idol worshiper a Pagan DAVEH: As I see it Dean, I don't worship idols. So for you to call me a pagan would be a false accusation. Do I get an apology for making that false representation? if not then can I wittiness on TT? DAVEH: Your wittiness on TT surely brings a smile to many, Judge Dean! :-) Dean Moore wrote: Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ? They'd be of their father the devil - at least that's how I understand it. jt cd; But we cannot tell them that here Judy-Wonder if we can call aSodomite a queer on TT? Or can we call a Homo a Sodomite without offending him?How about calling a Homo- Gay? How about calling a idol worshipper an Idol worshiper or an Idol worshiper a Pagan.I mean- what can we call those that do such thing-Christians?Do we have to refer to all as the Godly-as not to offend them and the owner of this site? Can we as Christians even express the Truth of what category God places the infidels on this site-No! As the name infidels can offend the infidel.We are commanded by God to carry his message all over the world-but we not allowed to do so on TT? I say if one is placed into a category them let the one that spoke the truth prove this is what the person is-and if the shoe fits let them wear it-at least then one will know in which he stands in the judgement.That is by no means harming others-on the contrary it is helping others-and I for on e would be afraid of the God that commanded His to do suc h if I stood against such a command-anywhere/anytime. That is the exact reason I did not hinder Sarah from preaching in SLC.One should wait and hear if the preachers is speaking truth-and if so be silent. In my short life I have learned that God's word does indeed shed light on groups and individuals-it exposed the works of darkness for what they are-can my light shine on TT-if not then can I wittiness on TT?If not-am I not directed to go to the next town after shaking the dust off my feet as a testimony AGAINST them? Yes I am Judy! Isa 58:1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. On Fri, 10 Mar 2006 04:57:44 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So would they be called Pagan christians? Idol worshipping christians? Non christian christian? Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Because some ppl teach that you can cling to pagan ideas and still be a Christian since everyone was included in the "incarnation" right JD? DHcanmakethe point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" Those who haveeyes, let them see, Lord. jd On Thu, 09 Mar 2006 21:47:54 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You DaveH are a Pagan. DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? KD -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You DaveH are a Pagan. DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non Christian DAVEH: What kind of convoluted logic is that, Judge Dean??? Does any other TTer who understands what Dean said above, agree with his explanation? You DaveH are a Pagan. DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom, and I will request Judge Moore take the appropriate action if you do not wish to apologize. he fact that you do not follow the teaching of Jesus Christ DAVEH: Is that coming from Judge Dean, or Judge Moore? Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack DAVEH: Really?!?!?!?! Did you just make a new TT rule, Judge Moore? Or was that Judge Dean expressing his unfounded wishes? state a petition to impeach me DAVEH: Seems to me that you are doing a good job of it on your own. I am not Judge Dean DAVEH: Then am I to assume that every time you pass judgment, you are speaking as Judge Moore?
Re: [TruthTalk] DaveH is a pagan ?????
You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? KD DHcanmakethe point but let me chime in here, as well. "You .. are a pagan" is not the same as "Your beliefs are pagan" Those who haveeyes, let them see, Lord. jd -- Original message -- From: Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED] You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom Why is attacking your genuinely held beliefs an attack on your person? Seriously; can you expound? Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non ChristianDAVEH: What kind of convoluted logic is that, Judge Dean??? Does any other TTer who understands what Dean said above, agree with his explanation?You DaveH are a Pagan.DAVEH: I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean. To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom, and I will request Judge Moore take the appropriate action if you do not wish to apologize.he fact that you do not follow the teaching of Jesus ChristDAVEH: Is that coming from Judge Dean, or Judge Moore?Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attackDAVEH: Really?!?!?!?! Did you just make a new TT rule, Judge Moore? Or was that Judge Dean expressing his unfounded wishes?state a petition to impeach meDAVEH: Seems to me that you are doing a good job of it on your own.I am not Judge DeanDAVEH: Then am I to assume that every time you pass judgment, you are speaking as Judge Moore?by your standards isn't that Ad. Homein attackingDAVEH: ??? I thought we were playing the game by your standards, Judge Dean! Hence.Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack according to you.I will have to go to the ModeratorDAVEH: I've not had much luck with him, but I suspect he will listen to you. Are you implying Dean called you such NAMES?DAVEH: I'll let Judge Dean answer that, Kevin..I say/demand again " Get the "Church of Jesus Christ" name off your temple Pagan!!! cd: Hey- that is Judge Moore to you buddy. You are the one that put a separation between Christianity and Mormonism-in you comment -and when I declare that by doing so this is Paganism you state crying . My Comment: Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean? Your reply:So let me ask you, Dean..Is it the Christian in you doing such-or are you just plain mean? I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non Christian-To be non-Christian is to be a Pagan. You DaveH are a Pagan.The fact that you do not follow the teaching of Jesus Christ is a deeper conformation of that point. Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack- or state a petition to impeach me.I am not Judge Dean -by your standards isn't that Ad. Homein attacking-better stop or I will have to go to the Moderator.Hey -Judge Moore Moderate this!Kevin Deegan wrote: Are you implying Dean called you such NAMES?Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups?DAVEH: Hwell, I hadn't thought about dissecting you guys, but it is a tempting thought you've given me! ;-) Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?DAVEH: LOL..Sometimes I think SPers are their own worst enemy! You have the power to push the button that bars me from TT, Dean. If you do such, I don't think your problems will all go with me. I've been called a pagan here, a snake in the grass, satan's messenger boyand I've been falsely accused of condoning violence against SPers. So let me ask you, Dean..Is it the Christian in you doing such-or are you just plain mea n?Dean Moore wrote: cd:Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups??Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?. - Original Message - F rom: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 11:03:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - Moderator commentADHOM* The latter. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 10:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM* IFO would not have such an assessment of anyone on TT.DAVEH: Is that is because you do not consider yourself a protected friend of the moderator and fear reprisal, Lance .or is it because you have a measure of respect for TT rules and other TTers?Lance Muir wrote:
