Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor



Doubleminded ... A doubleminded man is unstable in all 
his ways (James 1:8)
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 13:22:03 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  God did  !!   In 26 seconds OR LESS...  
  or maybe 13.5 million.  
   
  From: 
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with 
God and the Word was God
Who spoke the worlds into existence?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:26:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  Well He (Jesus) was and He 
  wasn't.
  
From: Judy 
Taylor 

Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you 
deal with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
All you have in your favor are flights of fancy 
that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - 
no explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I 
  wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking 
  about what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is 
  about what is written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do 
  with the topic of creation and this Genesis account.   

   
  The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you 
  cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the 
  issue.   This is the third post from you I have opened this 
  morning  with absolutely nothing in any of them work responding 
  too.  Just negative chit-chat.   jd
   
  From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  
  
Says one from CA who has been permeated by 
the "fast food" fast everything generation
Remember "He that believeth shall not make 
haste"  So why does God have to be in a 
big hurry?
And why can't it be the way it is 
written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to 
him?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the 
  Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my 
  passion.  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on 
  TT,  both times following one of your priceless comments 
  .   Twice in three years  (going back a ways 
  .)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  
   
  I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this 
  subject.  
   
  There have been times, in past postings, that you have 
  been even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of 
  those times.   Science and creation is not one of your 
  strong points  --  at least not this time 
  around.   I suspect that you are distracted with other 
  things.   
   
  To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things 
  into existence  -   I say. 
   
  But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, 
  say exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of 
  you living near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if he spoke for the land masses to 
  divide from the water, it took less than a minute to say it, but 
  hours for the land and water to do what he said.
   
  Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, 
  but honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those 
  dumb old land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into 
  place.  N0   sir-re.  It took time 
  for them to move into place  -- upwards of several 
  hours   !!  Com'on big D 
  !!   Just admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just 
  might have  a point !! 
   
  Look  --   if you give graduating high school 
  students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt 
  State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them 
  would become atheists  !!  I have  seen  
  this happen   many times.   Our young 
  people have left their individual churches thinking there is 
  nothing to evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in 
  front of an antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  
  
   
   You might not be impressed with my explanations offered 
  to my boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me 
  tell you this.  I had been working on one lin

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor



Yeah right Lance; your world will cease to exist for 
you
There is however, such an animal as objective Truth 
which will endure forever ie:
"All flesh is grass, and all the goodliness thereof is 
as the flower of the field; The grass withereth, the
flower fadeth; because the spirit of the Lord bloweth 
upon it; surely the people is grass. The grass
withereth, the flower fadeth; BUT THE WORD OF OUR GOD 
SHALL STAND FOREVER."
 
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:12:50 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Sometimes I think that I did but, those are not 
  my good days, Judy.I do know that the world will cease to exist when I cease 
  to exist.
  
From: Judy Taylor 
 
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with 
God and the Word was God
Who spoke the worlds into existence?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:26:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:

  Well He (Jesus) was and He 
  wasn't.
  
From: Judy 
Taylor 

Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you 
deal with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
All you have in your favor are flights of fancy 
that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - 
no explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I 
  wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking 
  about what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is 
  about what is written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do 
  with the topic of creation and this Genesis account.   

   
  The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you 
  cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the 
  issue.   This is the third post from you I have opened this 
  morning  with absolutely nothing in any of them work responding 
  too.  Just negative chit-chat.   jd
   
  From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  
  
Says one from CA who has been permeated by 
the "fast food" fast everything generation
Remember "He that believeth shall not make 
haste"  So why does God have to be in a 
big hurry?
And why can't it be the way it is 
written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to 
him?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the 
  Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my 
  passion.  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on 
  TT,  both times following one of your priceless comments 
  .   Twice in three years  (going back a ways 
  .)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  
   
  I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this 
  subject.  
   
  There have been times, in past postings, that you have 
  been even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of 
  those times.   Science and creation is not one of your 
  strong points  --  at least not this time 
  around.   I suspect that you are distracted with other 
  things.   
   
  To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things 
  into existence  -   I say. 
   
  But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, 
  say exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of 
  you living near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if he spoke for the land masses to 
  divide from the water, it took less than a minute to say it, but 
  hours for the land and water to do what he said.
   
  Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, 
  but honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those 
  dumb old land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into 
  place.  N0   sir-re.  It took time 
  for them to move into place  -- upwards of several 
  hours   !!  Com'on big D 
  !!   Just admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just 
  might have  a point !! 
   
  Look  --   if you give graduating high school 
  students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt 
  State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them 
  would become atheists  !!  I have  seen  
  this happen   many times.   Our young 
  people have left their indivi

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Kevin Deegan
JD says I know how to read AND comprehend at the same time.  That
ability came > my  way shortly after learning to walk upright.  When
will it happen to  you? 

Your knuckles are still scraping


> 
> 
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:25:00 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> If I can have no opinion about the creation because I wasn't there,
> then > you are excluded for the same reason.   Certainly I wasn't
there, but > I know how to read AND comprehend at the same time.  That
ability cam e > my  way shortly after learning to walk upright.  When
will it happen to  you? 
> jd
> 
> From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal with reality at
> all. 
> You weren't there were you?
> All you have in your favor are flights of fancy that are no different
> than anyone else's flights of fancy.
> Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no explanation
> necessary.
>  He was there!!!
> 
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I wouldn't know the
> answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking about what is written.   26
> seconds
> versus 144 hours is about what is written.  Your little proof text
> has
> nothing to do with the topic of creation and this Genesis account.   
> 
> The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you
> cannot. 
> And you certainly have not debated the issue.   This is the third
> post
> from you I have opened this morning  with absolutely nothing in any
> of
> them work responding too.  Just negative chit-chat.   jd
> 
> 
> From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> Says one from CA who has been permeated by the "fast food" fast
> everything generation
> Remember "He that believeth shall not make haste"  So why does
> God
> have to be in a big hurry?
> And why can't it be the way it is written?  Because JD says it does
> not
> make sense to him?
> 
> On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the
> Smithmeister. 
> Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion.  Indeed,  I have
> gotten
> angry twice, here on TT,  both times following one of your priceless
> comments .   Twice in three years  (going back a ways .)?!!   Not
> bad,  I
> think.  
> 
> I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this subject.  
> 
> There have been times, in past postings, that you have been even
> brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those times.   Science
> and
> creation is not one of your strong points  --  at least not this time
> around.   I suspect that you are distracted with other things.   
> 
> To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into existence  - 
>  I
> say. 
> 
> But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say
> exactly
> 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living near the
> Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if he spoke for the land
> masses
> to divide from the water, it took less than a minute to say it, but
> hours
> for the land and water to do what he said.
> 
> Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but honestly, it is a riot
> over
> here in my office.  "Those dumb old land masses  --  they couldn't
> just
> POP into place.  N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move into
> place  -- upwards of several hours   !! 
> Com'on
> big D !!   Just admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might
> have 
> a point !! 
> 
> Look  --   if you give graduating high school students your kind of
> information and send to them to Humbolt State  -  why, within
> minutes,
> the whole bunch of them would become atheists  !!  I have  seen  this
> happen   many times.   Our young people have left their individual
> churches thinking there is nothing to evolution, or whatever,  and
> when
> they sit in front of an antongist, they are left naked, poor and
> numb.  
> 
>  You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my boys
> at U
> of Cal at Davies  --   but let me tell you this.  I had been working
> on
> one line explanations for years before my boys got to school.   All
> of
> those one-liners  thoroughly defeated except for that one brief
> paragraph
> of thought I gave in another post  (the eternity of matter and motion
> aand the philosophical advantage of  going with the eternity of God 
> - 
> thingy).   I have talked about "postulated" truth in the past  --
> that
> such is considered to be   "truth" but without the possibility of
> PROOF. 
> I have mentioned that science is as much addicted to "faith" as a
> Christian to his God  .  all things I could communicate in
> minutes
> over the phone.   And guess what  -- my boys called!!!  These guys
> each
> won state wrestling championships and I coached them  (AND YES I AM
> MOST
> DEFINITELY BRAGGING).In some venues , they completely trusted me
> and
> with reason.  Probably the most important long distance phone call I
> will
> 

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor



I follow Jesus' example - because He was there. It 
was He who spoke the worlds into existence
If he accepted Moses and the Prophets without 
explanation and taught them the same way
Then this is good enough for me.  All it took 
for him to defeat the enemy was "It is written"
 
 
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:25:00 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  If I can have no opinion about the creation because I wasn't there, then 
  you are excluded for the same reason.   Certainly I wasn't there, 
  but I know how to read AND comprehend at the same time.  That ability 
  came my way shortly after learning to walk upright.  When will it happen 
  to you?  jd
   
  From: 
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal 
with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
All you have in your favor are flights of fancy 
that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no 
explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I 
  wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking 
  about what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about 
  what is written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the 
  topic of creation and this Genesis account.   
   
  The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you 
  cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   
  This is the third post from you I have opened this morning  with 
  absolutely nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just negative 
  chit-chat.   jd
   
  From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  
  
Says one from CA who has been permeated by the 
"fast food" fast everything generation
Remember "He that believeth shall not make 
haste"  So why does God have to be in a big hurry?
And why can't it be the way it is 
written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to 
him?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the 
  Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my 
  passion.  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on 
  TT,  both times following one of your priceless comments 
  .   Twice in three years  (going back a ways 
  .)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  
   
  I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this 
  subject.  
   
  There have been times, in past postings, that you have been 
  even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those 
  times.   Science and creation is not one of your strong 
  points  --  at least not this time around.   I 
  suspect that you are distracted with other things.   
   
  To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into 
  existence  -   I say. 
   
  But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say 
  exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living 
  near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, 
  if he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less 
  than a minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what 
  he said.
   
  Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but 
  honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old 
  land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place.  
  N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move 
  into place  -- upwards of several hours   
  !!  Com'on big D !!   Just 
  admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a point 
  !! 
   
  Look  --   if you give graduating high school 
  students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt 
  State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would 
  become atheists  !!  I have  seen  
  this happen   many times.   Our young people 
  have left their individual churches thinking there is nothing to 
  evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in front of an 
  antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  
   
   You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to 
  my boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me tell you 
  this.  I had been working on one line explanations for years 
  before my boys got to school.   All of those 
  one-liners  thoroughly defeated except for that one brief 
  paragraph of thought I gave in another post  (the eternity of 
  matter and motion aand t

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread knpraise

God did  !!   In 26 seconds OR LESS...  or maybe 13.5 million.  
 
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God
Who spoke the worlds into existence?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:26:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Well He (Jesus) was and He wasn't.

From: Judy Taylor 

Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
All you have in your favor are flights of fancy that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking about what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about what is written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the topic of creation and this Genesis account.   
 
The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   This is the third post from you I have opened this morning  with absolutely nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just negative chit-chat.   jd
 
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


Says one from CA who has been permeated by the "fast food" fast everything generation
Remember "He that believeth shall not make haste"  So why does God have to be in a big hurry?
And why can't it be the way it is written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to him?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion.  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on TT,  both times following one of your priceless comments .   Twice in three years  (going back a ways .)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  
 
I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this subject.  
 
There have been times, in past postings, that you have been even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those times.   Science and creation is not one of your strong points  --  at least not this time around.   I suspect that you are distracted with other things.   
 
To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into existence  -   I say. 
 
But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he said.
 
Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place.  N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move into place  -- upwards of several hours   !!  Com'on big D !!   Just admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a point !! 
 
Look  --   if you give graduating high school students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would become atheists  !!  I have  seen  this happen   many times.   Our young people have left their individual churches thinking there is nothing to evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in front of an antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  
 
 You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me tell you this.  I had been working on one line explanations for years before my boys got to school.   All of those one-liners  thoroughly defeated except for that one brief paragraph of thought I gave in another post  (the eternity of matter and motion aand the philosophical advantage of  going with the eternity of God  -  thingy).   I have talked about "postulated" truth in the past  -- that such is considered to be   "truth" but without the possibility of PROOF.  I have mentioned that science is as much addicted to "faith" as a Christian to his God  .  all things I could communicate in minutes over the phone.   And guess what  -- my boys called!!!  These guys each won state wrestling championships and I coached them  (AND YES I AM MOST DEFINITELY BRAGGING).    In some 
venues , they completely trusted me and with reason.  Probably the most important long distance phone call I will ever receive from my boys was THAT call  --  "Dad, this prof is killing us !!  What do we say?"  
There was no doubt in their minds that The Reply would work.   I could have lost both boys the next day in class  !!  You should have heard that next phone call  the next evening !!  Awesome.  
 
How did I know it would work ?  I went to several science classes over the years and used my best stuff in class   --  none o

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Lance Muir



Sometimes I think that I did but, those are not my 
good days, Judy.I do know that the world will cease to exist when I cease to 
exist.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 25, 2006 08:08
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on 
  and on and on and on and on
  
  In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with 
  God and the Word was God
  Who spoke the worlds into existence?
   
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:26:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
writes:
  
Well He (Jesus) was and He wasn't.

  From: Judy Taylor 
  
  Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal 
  with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
  All you have in your favor are flights of fancy 
  that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
  Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - 
  no explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
   
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I 
wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking 
about what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about 
what is written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the 
topic of creation and this Genesis account.   
 
The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you 
cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   
This is the third post from you I have opened this morning  with 
absolutely nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just 
negative chit-chat.   jd
 
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


  Says one from CA who has been permeated by 
  the "fast food" fast everything generation
  Remember "He that believeth shall not make 
  haste"  So why does God have to be in a 
  big hurry?
  And why can't it be the way it is 
  written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to 
  him?
   
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  
David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the 
Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my 
passion.  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on 
TT,  both times following one of your priceless comments 
.   Twice in three years  (going back a ways 
.)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  
 
I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this 
subject.  
 
There have been times, in past postings, that you have 
been even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those 
times.   Science and creation is not one of your strong 
points  --  at least not this time around.   I 
suspect that you are distracted with other things.   

 
To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things 
into existence  -   I say. 
 
But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say 
exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you 
living near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For 
example, if he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, 
it took less than a minute to say it, but hours for the land and 
water to do what he said.
 
Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but 
honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old 
land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place.  
N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move 
into place  -- upwards of several hours   
!!  Com'on big D !!   Just 
admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a 
point !! 
 
Look  --   if you give graduating high school 
students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt 
State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them 
would become atheists  !!  I have  seen  
this happen   many times.   Our young 
people have left their individual churches thinking there is nothing 
to evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in front of an 
antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  
 
 You might not be impressed with my explanations offered 
to my boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me 
tell you this.  I had been working on one line explanations f

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor



In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God 
and the Word was God
Who spoke the worlds into existence?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:26:16 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Well He (Jesus) was and He wasn't.
  
From: Judy Taylor 

Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal 
with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
All you have in your favor are flights of fancy 
that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no 
explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I 
  wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking 
  about what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about 
  what is written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the 
  topic of creation and this Genesis account.   
   
  The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you 
  cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   
  This is the third post from you I have opened this morning  with 
  absolutely nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just negative 
  chit-chat.   jd
   
  From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  
  
Says one from CA who has been permeated by the 
"fast food" fast everything generation
Remember "He that believeth shall not make 
haste"  So why does God have to be in a big hurry?
And why can't it be the way it is 
written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to 
him?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the 
  Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my 
  passion.  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on 
  TT,  both times following one of your priceless comments 
  .   Twice in three years  (going back a ways 
  .)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  
   
  I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this 
  subject.  
   
  There have been times, in past postings, that you have been 
  even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those 
  times.   Science and creation is not one of your strong 
  points  --  at least not this time around.   I 
  suspect that you are distracted with other things.   
   
  To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into 
  existence  -   I say. 
   
  But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say 
  exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living 
  near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, 
  if he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less 
  than a minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what 
  he said.
   
  Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but 
  honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old 
  land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place.  
  N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move 
  into place  -- upwards of several hours   
  !!  Com'on big D !!   Just 
  admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a point 
  !! 
   
  Look  --   if you give graduating high school 
  students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt 
  State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would 
  become atheists  !!  I have  seen  
  this happen   many times.   Our young people 
  have left their individual churches thinking there is nothing to 
  evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in front of an 
  antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  
   
   You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to 
  my boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me tell you 
  this.  I had been working on one line explanations for years 
  before my boys got to school.   All of those 
  one-liners  thoroughly defeated except for that one brief 
  paragraph of thought I gave in another post  (the eternity of 
  matter and motion aand the philosophical advantage of  going with 
  the eternity of God  -  thingy).   I have talked 
  about "postulated" truth in the past  -- that such is considered 
  to be   "truth" but without the possibility of 
  PROOF.  I have mentioned that science is as much addicted to 
  "faith" as a Christian to his God  .  all things I could 
  communicate in minutes over the phone.   And guess 

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread knpraise

Me, a shotgun, five weeks,  a trot line,  lots of dead bluejays (their breast meat is the same as dove),  all the wild mushrooms, onions, clover, young cattails  (looks a bit like celery) I could eat  -- watching the cute little Humming Birds bite and  devour one another  --  probably the meanest little animal I have ever sat watched  (hey, it beat T.V.)   -- you remember that story ?  sure glad I speak the truth (in love, of course.)
 
:--)
 
 
 
-- Original message -- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 







I believe he's still in his neanderthal days? What WAS that story 'bout eatin' birds in the wilderness for a year or so?
 
- Original Message - 

From: ShieldsFamily 
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
Sent: March 25, 2006 07:30
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on


“That ability came my way shortly after learning to walk upright.”
 
Was that in your pre-Neanderthal days, or after? iz
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 6:25 AMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on a
nd on
 

If I can have no opinion about the creation because I wasn't there, then you are excluded for the same reason.   Certainly I wasn't there, but I know how to read AND comprehend at the same time.  That ability came my way shortly after learning to walk upright.  When will it happen to you?  

 

jd

 

-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?

All you have in your favor are flights of fancy that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.

Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no explanation necessary.  He was there!!!

 

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking about what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about what is written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the topic of creation and this Genesis account.   

 

The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   This is the third post from you I have opened this morning  with absolutely nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just negative chit-chat.   jd

 

From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


Says one from CA who has been permeated by the "fast food" fast everything generation

Remember "He that believeth shall not make haste"  So why does God have to be in a big hurry?

And why can't it be the way it is written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to him?

 

On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion.  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on TT,  both times following one of your priceless comments .   Twice in three years  (going back a ways .)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  

 

I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this subject.  

 

There have been times, in past postings, that you have been even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those times.   Science and creation is not one of your strong points  --  at least not this time around.   I suspect that you are distracted with other things.   

 

To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into existence  -   I say. 

 

But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he said.

 

Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place.  N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move into place  -- upwards of several hours   !!  Com'on big D !!   Just admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a point !! 

 

Look  --   if you give graduating high school students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would become atheists  !!  I have  seen  this happen   many times.   Our young people have left their individual churches thinking there is nothing to evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in front of an antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  

 

 You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my 

RE: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread ShieldsFamily








“That ability came my way
shortly after learning to walk upright.”

 

Was that in your pre-Neanderthal days, or after? iz

 









From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006
6:25 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson
goes on and on and on and on and on



 



If I can have no opinion about the creation because I wasn't there,
then you are excluded for the same reason.   Certainly I wasn't
there, but I know how to read AND comprehend at the same time.  That
ability came my way shortly after learning to walk upright.  When will it
happen to you?  





 





jd





 





-- Original message -- 
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 



Neither can you "debate" it,
that is, if you deal with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?





All you have in your favor are flights
of fancy that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.





Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted
as is - no explanation necessary.  He was there!!!





 





On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:







Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I
wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking about
what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about what is
written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the topic of
creation and this Genesis account.   





 





The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you
cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   This is
the third post from you I have opened this morning  with absolutely
nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just negative
chit-chat.   jd





 






From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 







Says one from CA who has been permeated
by the "fast food" fast everything generation





Remember "He that believeth shall
not make haste"  So why does God have to be in a big hurry?





And why can't it be the way it is
written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to him?





 





On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:







David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the
Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion. 
Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on TT,  both times following
one of your priceless comments .   Twice in three years  (going
back a ways .)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  





 





I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this
subject.  





 





There have been times, in past postings, that you have been even
brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those times.  
Science and creation is not one of your strong points  --  at least
not this time around.   I suspect that you are distracted with other
things.   





 





To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into
existence  -   I say. 





 





But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say exactly
144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living near the Ozarks)
retort with this -- For
example, if he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less
than a minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he said.





 





Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but
honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old land
masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place. 
N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move into
place  -- upwards of several hours  
!!  Com'on big D !!   Just admit that
the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a point !! 





 





Look  --   if you give graduating high school
students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt State 
-  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would become
atheists  !!  I have  seen  this happen  
many times.   Our young people have left their individual churches
thinking there is nothing to evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in
front of an antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  





 





 You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my
boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me tell you this. 
I had been working on one line explanations for years before my boys got to
school.   All of those one-liners  thoroughly defeated
except for that one brief paragraph of thought I gave in another post 
(the eternity of matter and motion aand the philosophical advantage of 
going with the eternity of God  -  thingy).   I have talked
about "postulated" truth in the past  -- that such is considered
to be   "truth" but without the possibility of
PROOF.  I have mentioned that science is as much addicted to
"faith" as a Christian to his God  .  all things I
could communicate in minutes over the phone.   And guess what 
-- my boys 

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Lance Muir



Well He (Jesus) was and He wasn't.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Judy 
  Taylor 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: March 25, 2006 07:11
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on 
  and on and on and on and on
  
  Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal 
  with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
  All you have in your favor are flights of fancy that 
  are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
  Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no 
  explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
   
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I 
wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking about 
what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about what is 
written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the topic of 
creation and this Genesis account.   
 
The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you 
cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   This 
is the third post from you I have opened this morning  with absolutely 
nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just negative 
chit-chat.   jd
 
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


  Says one from CA who has been permeated by the 
  "fast food" fast everything generation
  Remember "He that believeth shall not make haste" 
   So why does God have to be in a big hurry?
  And why can't it be the way it is written?  
  Because JD says it does not make sense to him?
   
  On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the 
Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion.  
Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on TT,  both times 
following one of your priceless comments .   Twice in three 
years  (going back a ways .)?!!   Not bad,  I 
think.  
 
I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this 
subject.  
 
There have been times, in past postings, that you have been 
even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those 
times.   Science and creation is not one of your strong 
points  --  at least not this time around.   I 
suspect that you are distracted with other things.   
 
To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into 
existence  -   I say. 
 
But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say 
exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living 
near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if 
he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less than 
a minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he 
said.
 
Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but 
honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old 
land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place.  
N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move into 
place  -- upwards of several hours   
!!  Com'on big D !!   Just admit 
that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a point !! 

 
Look  --   if you give graduating high school 
students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt 
State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would 
become atheists  !!  I have  seen  
this happen   many times.   Our young people 
have left their individual churches thinking there is nothing to 
evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in front of an 
antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  
 
 You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my 
boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me tell you 
this.  I had been working on one line explanations for years before 
my boys got to school.   All of those one-liners  
thoroughly defeated except for that one brief paragraph of thought I 
gave in another post  (the eternity of matter and motion aand the 
philosophical advantage of  going with the eternity of God  
-  thingy).   I have talked about "postulated" truth in 
the past  -- that such is considered to be   "truth" 
but without the possibility of PROOF.  I have mentioned that 
science is as much addicted to "faith" as a Christian to his God  
.  all things I could communicate in minutes over the 
phone.   And guess what  -- my boys called!!!  These 
guys each won state wrestling championships and I coached

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread knpraise

If I can have no opinion about the creation because I wasn't there, then you are excluded for the same reason.   Certainly I wasn't there, but I know how to read AND comprehend at the same time.  That ability came my way shortly after learning to walk upright.  When will it happen to you?  
 
jd
 
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal with reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
All you have in your favor are flights of fancy that are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking about what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about what is written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the topic of creation and this Genesis account.   
 
The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   This is the third post from you I have opened this morning  with absolutely nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just negative chit-chat.   jd
 
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


Says one from CA who has been permeated by the "fast food" fast everything generation
Remember "He that believeth shall not make haste"  So why does God have to be in a big hurry?
And why can't it be the way it is written?  Because JD says it does not make sense to him?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion.  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on TT,  both times following one of your priceless comments .   Twice in three years  (going back a ways .)?!!   Not bad,  I think.  
 
I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this subject.  
 
There have been times, in past postings, that you have been even brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those times.   Science and creation is not one of your strong points  --  at least not this time around.   I suspect that you are distracted with other things.   
 
To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into existence  -   I say. 
 
But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he said.
 
Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old land masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place.  N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move into place  -- upwards of several hours   !!  Com'on big D !!   Just admit that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a point !! 
 
Look  --   if you give graduating high school students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would become atheists  !!  I have  seen  this happen   many times.   Our young people have left their individual churches thinking there is nothing to evolution, or whatever,  and when they sit in front of an antongist, they are left naked, poor and numb.  
 
 You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me tell you this.  I had been working on one line explanations for years before my boys got to school.   All of those one-liners  thoroughly defeated except for that one brief paragraph of thought I gave in another post  (the eternity of matter and motion aand the philosophical advantage of  going with the eternity of God  -  thingy).   I have talked about "postulated" truth in the past  -- that such is considered to be   "truth" but without the possibility of PROOF.  I have mentioned that science is as much addicted to "faith" as a Christian to his God  .  all things I could communicate in minutes over the phone.   And guess what  -- my boys called!!!  These guys each won state wrestling championships and I coached them  (AND YES I AM MOST DEFINITELY BRAGGING).    In some 
venues , they completely trusted me and with reason.  Probably the most important long distance phone call I will ever receive from my boys was THAT call  --  "Dad, this prof is killing us !!  What do we say?"  
There was no doubt in their minds that The Reply would work.   I could have lost both boys the next day in class  !!  You should have heard that next phone call  the next evening !!  Awesome.  
 
How did I know it would work ?  I went to several science classes over the years and used my best stuff in class   --  none of it survived except the abov

Re: [TruthTalk] Smithson goes on and on and on and on and on

2006-03-25 Thread Judy Taylor



Neither can you "debate" it, that is, if you deal with 
reality at all.  You weren't there were you?
All you have in your favor are flights of fancy that 
are no different than anyone else's flights of fancy.
Jesus quoted from Genesis and He quoted as is - no 
explanation necessary.  He was there!!!
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 11:30:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Why can't it be the way it is written?  Well  -  I 
  wouldn't know the answer to that,   Judy.  I am talking about 
  what is written.   26 seconds versus 144 hours is about what is 
  written.  Your little proof text has nothing to do with the topic of 
  creation and this Genesis account.   
   
  The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you 
  cannot.  And you certainly have not debated the issue.   This 
  is the third post from you I have opened this morning  with absolutely 
  nothing in any of them work responding too.  Just negative 
  chit-chat.   jd
   
  From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  
  
Says one from CA who has been permeated by the 
"fast food" fast everything generation
Remember "He that believeth shall not make haste" 
 So why does God have to be in a big hurry?
And why can't it be the way it is written?  
Because JD says it does not make sense to him?
 
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the 
  Smithmeister.  Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion.  
  Indeed,  I have gotten angry twice, here on TT,  both times 
  following one of your priceless comments .   Twice in three 
  years  (going back a ways .)?!!   Not bad,  I 
  think.  
   
  I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this 
  subject.  
   
  There have been times, in past postings, that you have been even 
  brilliant in your defense.  This is not one of those 
  times.   Science and creation is not one of your strong 
  points  --  at least not this time around.   I suspect 
  that you are distracted with other things.   
   
  To wit:   God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into 
  existence  -   I say. 
   
  But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say 
  exactly 144 hours  (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living 
  near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if 
  he spoke for the land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a 
  minute to say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he 
  said.
   
  Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but 
  honestly, it is a riot over here in my office.  "Those dumb old land 
  masses  --  they couldn't just POP into place.  
  N0   sir-re.  It took time for them to move into 
  place  -- upwards of several hours   
  !!  Com'on big D !!   Just admit 
  that the non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have  a point !! 
  
   
  Look  --   if you give graduating high school 
  students your kind of information and send to them to Humbolt 
  State  -  why, within minutes, the whole bunch of them would 
  become atheists  !!  I have  seen  
  this happen   many times.   Our young people have 
  left their individual churches thinking there is nothing to evolution, or 
  whatever,  and when they sit in front of an antongist, they are left 
  naked, poor and numb.  
   
   You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my 
  boys at U of Cal at Davies  --   but let me tell you 
  this.  I had been working on one line explanations for years before 
  my boys got to school.   All of those one-liners  
  thoroughly defeated except for that one brief paragraph of thought I gave 
  in another post  (the eternity of matter and motion aand the 
  philosophical advantage of  going with the eternity of God  
  -  thingy).   I have talked about "postulated" truth in the 
  past  -- that such is considered to be   "truth" but 
  without the possibility of PROOF.  I have mentioned that science is 
  as much addicted to "faith" as a Christian to his God  .  
  all things I could communicate in minutes over the phone.   And 
  guess what  -- my boys called!!!  These guys each won state 
  wrestling championships and I coached them  (AND YES I AM MOST 
  DEFINITELY BRAGGING).    In some venues , they completely 
  trusted me and with reason.  Probably the most important long 
  distance phone call I will ever receive from my boys was THAT 
  call  --  "Dad, this prof is killing us !!  What do we 
  say?"  
  There was no doubt in their minds that The Reply would 
  work.   I could have lost both boys the next day in class  
  !!  You should have heard that next phone call  the next evening 
  !!  Awesome.