Re: [tryton-dev] input expands
On 26/06/11 22:32 -0500, zodman wrote: hi list. I try to traslate tryton to es_MX spanish but i dont know if the new string expand the inputs and cause wrong width. here the examples: here the new sale windows http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8412/pantallazoom.png and it need a lot of fullscreen to fill. here to see the normal width http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4107/pantallazo1gn.png i using tryton 2.0 hg head I think it is the 3 Many2One on top of the form that force to have horizontal scroll. But you should check others tabs to see if there is no too long translation label there. I'm windering if we should not change the form with 6 cols into 4 cols with the new design. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpJQnVs4sfy3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton-dev] input expands
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com wrote: On 26/06/11 22:32 -0500, zodman wrote: hi list. I try to traslate tryton to es_MX spanish but i dont know if the new string expand the inputs and cause wrong width. here the examples: here the new sale windows http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8412/pantallazoom.png and it need a lot of fullscreen to fill. here to see the normal width http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4107/pantallazo1gn.png i using tryton 2.0 hg head I think it is the 3 Many2One on top of the form that force to have horizontal scroll. But you should check others tabs to see if there is no too long translation label there. I'm windering if we should not change the form with 6 cols into 4 cols with the new design. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ If you understand i create a new layout design its not true. The layout its the sale module. Only create a translation string for the window new sale in sale module. i will check the other tabs and seen what is wrong. -- Andres Vargas www.zodman.com.mx -- tryton-dev@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton-dev] input expands
here the other tabs. I try cutting the string and the width not fixed to the windows which string causing the excess padding ?¿ http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8307/pantallazo2sm.png http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3513/pantallazo3tv.png http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/9908/pantallazo4c.png http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3153/pantallazo5k.png On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:10 AM, zodman zod...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:20 AM, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.comwrote: On 26/06/11 22:32 -0500, zodman wrote: hi list. I try to traslate tryton to es_MX spanish but i dont know if the new string expand the inputs and cause wrong width. here the examples: here the new sale windows http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/8412/pantallazoom.png and it need a lot of fullscreen to fill. here to see the normal width http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4107/pantallazo1gn.png i using tryton 2.0 hg head I think it is the 3 Many2One on top of the form that force to have horizontal scroll. But you should check others tabs to see if there is no too long translation label there. I'm windering if we should not change the form with 6 cols into 4 cols with the new design. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ If you understand i create a new layout design its not true. The layout its the sale module. Only create a translation string for the window new sale in sale module. i will check the other tabs and seen what is wrong. -- Andres Vargas www.zodman.com.mx -- Andres Vargas www.zodman.com.mx -- tryton-dev@googlegroups.com mailing list
[tryton-fr] Action sur les fichiers
Bonjour, Je voudrais ajouter une action sur un type de fichier qui n'est pas listé dans la liste des actions possibles. Où ajouter une nouvelle action pour un nouveau type de fichier ? @+ -- tryton-fr@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton-fr] Action sur les fichiers
On 27/06/11 07:05 -0700, pascal obstetar wrote: Bonjour, Je voudrais ajouter une action sur un type de fichier qui n'est pas listé dans la liste des actions possibles. Où ajouter une nouvelle action pour un nouveau type de fichier ? Je pense qu'on a oublié sous Linux cette possibilité mais on peut éditer le fichier ~/.config/tryton/version/tryton.conf -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpxSVb1lbstg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton-fr] Action sur les fichiers
et que doit-on changer dans ce fichier ? Le 27 juin 2011 16:13, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com a écrit : On 27/06/11 07:05 -0700, pascal obstetar wrote: Bonjour, Je voudrais ajouter une action sur un type de fichier qui n'est pas listé dans la liste des actions possibles. Où ajouter une nouvelle action pour un nouveau type de fichier ? Je pense qu'on a oublié sous Linux cette possibilité mais on peut éditer le fichier ~/.config/tryton/version/tryton.conf -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- Pascal Obstétar Bio Eco Forests Tél : 06 70 614 944 www.forestiersdumonde.org -- tryton-fr@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton-fr] Action sur les fichiers
On 27/06/11 16:41 +0200, pascal obstetar wrote: et que doit-on changer dans ce fichier ? Le dictionaire nomé actions -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpBqGmDuSplU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton-fr] Action sur les fichiers
J'adore ce logiciel ! @+ Le 27 juin 2011 16:58, Cédric Krier cedric.kr...@b2ck.com a écrit : On 27/06/11 16:41 +0200, pascal obstetar wrote: et que doit-on changer dans ce fichier ? Le dictionaire nomé actions -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- Pascal Obstétar Bio Eco Forests Tél : 06 70 614 944 www.forestiersdumonde.org -- tryton-fr@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
En/na Cédric Krier ha escrit: On 26/06/11 08:40 -0700, Jordi Esteve wrote: - Members can be people or companies. Well, we would like more that members (who have voice in the foundation elections) were only people and sponsors people or companies, like other free software foundations like in KDE. In this way, the foundation has less dependence of the companies, but the companies can sponsor it getting some public visibility, for example. I don't understand the fear of companies. Even if we do like you want, we will have members pushed by companies. So I think it is better that everybody play the game openly. IMHO, as the foundation should work in an ethic way, people can be more ethical than companies (not always, it is easy to find ethical companies and not ethical people ;-). Take in mind that all companies want to be profitable, and some times this corrupts them. Obviously, in the ERP world, most people comes from companies, so they must public show from which company they come. I think we have a similar opinion, one puts more emphasis in companies and the other in individuals that represents these companies. - The members should pay a annual fees to renew their membership. This fee is higher when the member is a company. We think is better that the resources are obtained from the sponsors. The members must be elected by meritocracy (participation in the tryton project), not if the can afford or not an annual fee. Having to pay for membership is a good way to have only involved members and also ensure the funding of the foundation. Also this eases to know when members resign. The two options have their pros and cons. We think is better that some people make the decisions of the foundation (members) and other fund the foundation (sponsors) to avoid mix the decisions with money. For example, should be avoid that members who pay, or who pay more than others, have more power in their decisions/votes. Using the meritocracy for membership is strange. As the foundation goals is to promote Tryton, so the meritocracy will be the guys who are doing the best promotion. This sounds strange. Yes, you are right, meritocracy is not the right word in this context. I meant participation or implication in the tryton project to choose the members of Tryton foundation. - Status can be change after a vote at a special majority (to be defined) I don't understand this last point. Status of what can be changed? I'm not sure that status is the right word in English. But this is how the foundation can modify its own rules. Yes, of course, the foundation must be able to modify his own rules if a majority of members (defined by the foundation rules) vote it. The important think in the creation of the foundation is that a single company could no block the strategic policy of Tryton in the future. Indeed, right now the project is already protected due to the variety of copyright owners. Yes, the code is protected but there are other important things that must be protected: Tryton trademark/brand, logo, domains, documentation, ... See below. There is just some potential concern about the ownership of the trademark Tryton (even if B2CK has already defined the usage of it). But I'm not sure to understand what you mean by strategic policy? I'm not sure if strategic policy of the foundation is the more appropriate English word. I put some examples of goals that Tryton foundation could have: * Promote usage of Tryton application platform. * Encourage new companies and individuals to join the project. * Legally protect the brand and the software. * Help the project to keep open and non-dependant on a single company. * Own the Tryton brand * Own tryton.org and other related domains * Also Tryton foundation could provide/host all the tools that the Tryton developers need (code, bugs, blogs, email lists, ...). Jordi -- Jordi Esteve Consultor Zikzakmedia SL jest...@zikzakmedia.com Mòbil 679 170 693 Zikzakmedia SL Dr. Fleming, 28, baixos 08720 Vilafranca del Penedès Tel 93 890 2108 -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
* Michael Hipp [2011-06-27 13:18 +0200]: On 6/26/2011 5:56 PM, Cédric Krier wrote: You can sale program which is under the GPL license. Thanks, Cédric. But I'm afraid that isn't very helpful. The fact that you can hypothetically sell a GPL application isn't very comforting when you are, at the same time, forced to also give it away. Of course if what you want is to do closed source, the GPL license is not there to help you do that. And that's it's purpose. I cannot in good conscience recommend a license that forces our hand in how we market our own code. And we can not in good conscience let people use our source code without having a way for them to pay back what they got for free. -- Nicolas Évrard B2CK SPRL rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 E-mail/Jabber: nicolas.evr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
On 6/27/2011 6:54 AM, Nicolas Évrard wrote: And we can not in good conscience let people use our source code without having a way for them to pay back what they got for free. What exactly is it you want them to pay back? Michael -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
* Michael Hipp [2011-06-27 14:13 +0200]: On 6/27/2011 6:54 AM, Nicolas Évrard wrote: And we can not in good conscience let people use our source code without having a way for them to pay back what they got for free. What exactly is it you want them to pay back? You're kidding, am I right ? But I'll reply anyway. People got to use your words: A program that looks good and they got that for free (as in beer). There is numerous way for them to pay back the community effort needed to create this piece of software : advocacy, contributing back, etc. Using it without giving anything is fine too, just as long as you respect the license (because we are a bunch of idealists). You don't like the license, that's perfectly fine : do not use our software. -- Nicolas Évrard B2CK SPRL rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 E-mail/Jabber: nicolas.evr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
On 6/27/2011 7:34 AM, Sasa Ostrouska wrote: I think thats pretty clear, we want back CODE. Which permits us to learn from and grow up. Isn't this a good way of payment ? Sure, it's a great form of payment. I'd be thrilled to offer back any changes/improvements/additions I manage to make to Tryton itself. But do you really want back code that works with Tryton but is not a part of Tryton? Michael -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011 schrieb Cédric Krier: On 27/06/11 08:29 -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: On 6/27/2011 7:34 AM, Sasa Ostrouska wrote: I think thats pretty clear, we want back CODE. Which permits us to learn from and grow up. Isn't this a good way of payment ? Sure, it's a great form of payment. I'd be thrilled to offer back any changes/improvements/additions I manage to make to Tryton itself. But do you really want back code that works with Tryton but is not a part of Tryton? If it is a derivative work then yes we want it to be under GPL. If it is not a derivative work then do what you want. Sorry, I got one question in this context. I understand that commercial improvements shall go back to the tryton community. What if I develop some changes/modules just to use within my own business. Do I have to hand this back as well? I can imagine two scenarios: - improve some standard functionality in tryton. Here it makes sense to hand this back t the community - add new functionality that is strategic to my business, and is only used internal. Here I may not want to publish it. A final sentence on this is appreciated. Thanks Axel -- Dr.-Ing. Axel K. Braun Mobile: +49.173.7003.154 VoIP/Skype: axxite PGP Fingerprint: CB03 964D 1CFA E87B AA63 53F3 1BD6 F53A EB48 EF22 Public Key available at http://www.axxite.com/axel.br...@gmx.de.asc This mail was *not scanned* before sending. It was sent from a secure Linux desktop. -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
On 27/06/11 16:14 +0200, Dr. Axel Braun wrote: Am Montag, 27. Juni 2011 schrieb Cédric Krier: On 27/06/11 08:29 -0500, Michael Hipp wrote: On 6/27/2011 7:34 AM, Sasa Ostrouska wrote: I think thats pretty clear, we want back CODE. Which permits us to learn from and grow up. Isn't this a good way of payment ? Sure, it's a great form of payment. I'd be thrilled to offer back any changes/improvements/additions I manage to make to Tryton itself. But do you really want back code that works with Tryton but is not a part of Tryton? If it is a derivative work then yes we want it to be under GPL. If it is not a derivative work then do what you want. Sorry, I got one question in this context. I understand that commercial improvements shall go back to the tryton community. You must understand that the GPL license give the copyleft to the user not the author. So you own nothing to the community. (I don't understand the term commercial improvements) What if I develop some changes/modules just to use within my own business. Do I have to hand this back as well? I can imagine two scenarios: - improve some standard functionality in tryton. Here it makes sense to hand this back t the community - add new functionality that is strategic to my business, and is only used internal. Here I may not want to publish it. A final sentence on this is appreciated. With the above sentence, I think it is clear that it is not required to publish anything. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgpbmuq29LoHS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
On 6/27/2011 8:41 AM, Cédric Krier wrote: If it is a derivative work then yes we want it to be under GPL. If it is not a derivative work then do what you want. I have no idea what that means. It appears no-one else does either, else surely someone would offer the answer. Thanks for your time. Michael -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
Hi there, why is so much time spent on explaining the basics of the GPL? While it is complicated and I have seen many people misinterpret the GPL over the years (many of whom even published under it themselves) you can research the GPL by yourself pretty easily over the net. This mailing list is about Tryton and not about the GPL. We are also not experts in copyright law. If it is a derivative work then yes we want it to be under GPL. If it is not a derivative work then do what you want. I have no idea what that means. It appears no-one else does either, else surely someone would offer the answer. Google is your friend: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6366 Thanks for your time. Michael Hi Michael, I do believe you got it right, though. Open Source only benefits the user. Not the developer. So it is your loss and your clients win. Under the GPL you have to give the source of your work to your customer and may not prohibit him from modifying and or publishing it and derivative works. While this can very well be a selling point, you can not get a so called 'lock in' on your customer. You can't lock them in to your software. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in But that is also wrong. While the lock-in may be much less substantial with GPL software, major switching costs would still exist for your customers. Cheers, Malte -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
On 06/27/2011 06:46 PM, Michael Hipp wrote: On 6/27/2011 8:41 AM, Cédric Krier wrote: If it is a derivative work then yes we want it to be under GPL. If it is not a derivative work then do what you want. I have no idea what that means. It appears no-one else does either, else surely someone would offer the answer. Michael, I really don't understand the confusion and lack of understanding. Your address suggests english is your native language. That probably puts you in the minority corner of this particular community. So bear with me because it is not my native language. But 'derivative' really is an english word right? And Cédric did provide links to it's particular meaning in the context of software licenses. If you use Tryton (program or code) you are free to do so. If you modify and/or extend Tryton you are free to do so. If you modify and/or extend Tryton *and* want to publish the result you must include the full source code including your changes under GPLv3 - but only if your modifications comprise a 'derived work'. If you build and publish a module that is 'original work' (not derived from, or based on existing code for which you don't hold any copyright) you are free to apply any license you prefer. You are most emphatically not required to publish. Anything. Ever. Period. But note that building and selling an appliance that runs Tryton most definitely implies publication. As long as you use your code for in-house applications there is simply no issue. And it really will help to actually read GPLv3 ... There. Hope that helps a little. -- Paul J Stevenspjstevns @ gmail, twitter, skype, linkedin * Premium Hosting Services and Web Application Consultancy * www.nfg.nl/i...@nfg.nl/+31.85.877.99.97 -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
I hope it is okay that I respond to a posting a while back in the discussion, but there were so many comments in the course of the debate that I wasn't sure where to begin. I have not really been using Tryton, only experimenting with it, but I do have some potentially useful experiences from my former work in not-for-profit, and of course in the Free Software community. First, the question of representation: My former employer used an Individual member ($125), Corporate member ($750) and Sustaining member ($2000) structure. Figures just mentioned to indicate the proportions. A Corporate member would have 4 representatives, a Sustaining member would have 8. These representatives were allowed to participate in the events and were treated like 8 Individual members were when it came to influence. So an organisation would openly be represented by these members, and this also acknowledged the contribution. There were no problems with companies sponsoring individual memberships for one. It did not actually have to be individuals in that respect, just one-person-memberships. With a system as Tryton it would make no sense at all to exclude companies. Noone would be more interested in the evolution of a system like Tryton. As for the GPL plugins, I would assume the situation is similar to the Wordpress discussion: http://wordpress.org/news/2009/07/themes-are-gpl-too/ The discussion of what constitutes a derivative or tied-in extension is not particularly easy, but either way: It is only with distribution that the code requires to go back. If you do consulting for a company and extend their systems in-house, it would not have this requirement. Being under a wider umbrella with a wider-reaching foundation does not make sense if the point is protecting the Tryton brand aspects. It does make sense to set up a legal entity, however. And there is no problem with partnering with other foundations for marketing and integration. Sincerely, Morten __ Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér mj...@syntaktisk.dk * www.syntaktisk.dk -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
* Michael Hipp [2011-06-27 20:01 +0200]: On 6/27/2011 12:18 PM, bugrep...@2c2.de wrote: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6366 Thank you. A good read. But it contradicts the article posted by Cédric earlier and attempts to make it seem very simple where the other article says everything but. http://www.law.washington.edu/lta/swp/law/derivative.html So have I learned anything? You learned that it is a complicated matter that even lawyers have a hard time dealing with it. Hi Michael, I do believe you got it right, though. Open Source only benefits the user. Not the developer. So it is your loss and your clients win. Perhaps. But the real result is that the client will be out more money because I will have to re-invent what was otherwise available in the GPL program. Or your customer can choose someone who will create almost the same program using Tryton but who do not have problem with redistributing it under the GPL. And it will cost him way less than with you. So who really won? In the case I describe above, your ex-customer, the other IT company and (maybe) the Tryton community. -- Nicolas Évrard B2CK SPRL rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 E-mail/Jabber: nicolas.evr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
On 6/27/2011 12:58 PM, Paul J Stevens wrote: Your address suggests english is your native language. Yes. But 'derivative' really is an english word right? And Cédric did provide links to it's particular meaning in the context of software licenses. Yes. I noted the contradiction with the other provided article. The way the word 'derivative' is used in this context is not consistent with its normal english usage. Derived means made from, not makes use of or works with. It is also, IMHO, not consistent with its definition in US Copyright law which is where it was apparently taken from. The article linked by Cédric says the authors use an expansive definition. A cynic would say they have co-opted the term, changed its meaning, and thereby made the word of no use. In any case, my university dictionary seems no help. If you use Tryton (program or code) you are free to do so. If you modify and/or extend Tryton you are free to do so. Understood. If you modify and/or extend Tryton *and* want to publish the result you must include the full source code including your changes under GPLv3 - but only if your modifications comprise a 'derived work'. Understood. Uh, but if I write a program that calls a method inside Tryton does this constitute modify and/or extend? If you build and publish a module that is 'original work' (not derived from, or based on existing code for which you don't hold any copyright) you are free to apply any license you prefer. This all seems reasonable. (Except for the obvious confusion in what it means to be 'derived from'.) But note that it seems quite different from what Cédric said earlier: If they are distributed together yes. That seems to refer mostly to an issue of packaging. So if I can find a clever way to not package them together while yet making heavy use of the GPL program I'd be in compliance? You are most emphatically not required to publish. Anything. Ever. Period. But note that building and selling an appliance that runs Tryton most definitely implies publication. As long as you use your code for in-house applications there is simply no issue. Understood. And it really will help to actually read GPLv3 ... Not likely. Given that that attorneys, courts, and even most of the people who argue for or against the GPL don't understand it, I probably won't succeed where they all seem to fail. But I suppose the effort would be educational. Thanks, Michael -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
[tryton] Invoice read access
Hi, I was working on the issue2067 [1] and review48002 [2]. And some questions about read access of invoice came. Right now, any users (by default) have read access on invoice because it is needed on sales and purchases (invoices are listed). And as any user has read access to sales and purchases... So the question is: should we remove those read access for default user on sales, purchases and invoices. And give it to only users in the Sale Group and/or Purchase Group and/or Invoice Group? [1] http://bugs.tryton.org/roundup/issue2067 [2] http://codereview.tryton.org/48002/ -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: cedric.kr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ pgp38oRvlwdAS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
* Michael Hipp [2011-06-27 20:42 +0200]: So if I can find a clever way to not package them together while yet making heavy use of the GPL program I'd be in compliance? I think that the overall thread should be stopped because this kind of discussion is probably well suited in a GNU or *-legal mailing list. -- Nicolas Évrard B2CK SPRL rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 E-mail/Jabber: nicolas.evr...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Tryton license?
Not likely. Given that that attorneys, courts, and even most of the people who argue for or against the GPL don't understand it, I probably won't succeed where they all seem to fail. But I suppose the effort would be educational. Thanks, Michael But this is only for people that would like to know exactly *when* they have to publish their derivative source. This is very limited, since Open Source developement works different from closed source developement. Free software is more of a community effort. If you just take Tryton and put some proprietary stuff on top and then deliver to your customer you can just add the source. If your customer doesn't publish it, it will never see the light of day. You don't have to give your source to anyone. Just the people you distribute to. But in the free software community projects you don't want to do this anyway. You try to send in your patches to the project itself, so you they become part of the project. This way nobody works double. And you can still sell it to your customer if you want to. Especially ERP stuff is very specific. Most of it revolves around making it work for a very specific customer. That is where your value is anyways. And if you manage to add anything meaningful to the project, your changes will be included in updates, that you can then sell to your customer again. Because others will also have included useful upgrades. You can still just try to sell closed source stuff together with Tryton to your customer and you will most likely get away with it. Only your customer can demand the source anyways. And if they don't, you are good to go. There are numerous cases where the GPL is violated. Only a few ever get prosecuted. And even if your software is crafted very carefully in order not to step on the GPL to keep it closed you would not adhere to the *spirit* of free software. Same if you obfuscate your code and/or remove comments before giving it to the customer on a cd to sit in a cupboard for example. Cheers, Malte -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
[tryton] Re: Tryton Software Foundation : Make your voice heard !
Hi, I'm really happy with this discussion, so first of all I want to thank you all for the iniciative. The words from Jordi are like mine too: he's an strong believer of pure open-source projects and his company has already prove that in the OpenERP community. So everything I agree in everything he has said, including the way with the roles to be distinguished: members (users that are strongly involved in the project) and sponsors (companies or individuals that pay a fee). Anyway I think we all approve the main purpose for this: prevent a lockout from one single vendor/company and its decissions and to allow the participants of the project to feel as much comfortable as possible. So, my questions: - Is there any roadmap with the tasks and milestones to accomplish the foundation? Do you already have any draft document? - Do you need any legal advice? We have an external lawyer that I'm sure could help. - And my last one, have you thought about any particular point regarding the local communities? I think at least some minimun rules can be set, and indeed the heads from them have to be represented in a particular way inside the foundation. Sorry for my English but I'm really tired after a long day :) Best regards. On 27 jun, 20:00, Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér mj...@syntaktisk.dk wrote: I hope it is okay that I respond to a posting a while back in the discussion, but there were so many comments in the course of the debate that I wasn't sure where to begin. I have not really been using Tryton, only experimenting with it, but I do have some potentially useful experiences from my former work in not-for-profit, and of course in the Free Software community. First, the question of representation: My former employer used an Individual member ($125), Corporate member ($750) and Sustaining member ($2000) structure. Figures just mentioned to indicate the proportions. A Corporate member would have 4 representatives, a Sustaining member would have 8. These representatives were allowed to participate in the events and were treated like 8 Individual members were when it came to influence. So an organisation would openly be represented by these members, and this also acknowledged the contribution. There were no problems with companies sponsoring individual memberships for one. It did not actually have to be individuals in that respect, just one-person-memberships. With a system as Tryton it would make no sense at all to exclude companies. Noone would be more interested in the evolution of a system like Tryton. As for the GPL plugins, I would assume the situation is similar to the Wordpress discussion:http://wordpress.org/news/2009/07/themes-are-gpl-too/ The discussion of what constitutes a derivative or tied-in extension is not particularly easy, but either way: It is only with distribution that the code requires to go back. If you do consulting for a company and extend their systems in-house, it would not have this requirement. Being under a wider umbrella with a wider-reaching foundation does not make sense if the point is protecting the Tryton brand aspects. It does make sense to set up a legal entity, however. And there is no problem with partnering with other foundations for marketing and integration. Sincerely, Morten __ Morten Juhl-Johansen Zölde-Fejér mj...@syntaktisk.dk *www.syntaktisk.dk -- tryton@googlegroups.com mailing list
Re: [tryton] Invoice read access
* Betr.: [tryton] Invoice read access (Mon, 27 Jun 2011 20:42:43 +0200): Hi, I was working on the issue2067 [1] and review48002 [2]. And some questions about read access of invoice came. Right now, any users (by default) have read access on invoice because it is needed on sales and purchases (invoices are listed). And as any user has read access to sales and purchases... So the question is: should we remove those read access for default user on sales, purchases and invoices. And give it to only users in the Sale Group and/or Purchase Group and/or Invoice Group? As already stated on the review: +1 for permissions by groups. -- Mathias Behrle MBSolutions Gilgenmatten 10 A D-79114 Freiburg Tel: +49(761)471023 Fax: +49(761)4770816 http://m9s.biz UStIdNr: DE 142009020 PGP/GnuPG key availabable from any keyserver, ID: 0x8405BBF6 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
