Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007, Kent Johnson wrote: Bookpool is having a sale on all books from Addison-Wesley and Prentice Hall. In my opinion these are two of the best publishers for top-notch computer titles. I've found bookpool.com to generally have better prices on technical books than Amazon or Powells. They're generally the first place I look. (my only assocation with any of them is as a customer). ... Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Thanks Kent. Can anyone tell me why the below book is listed as S expensive? With the sale Kent mentioned, it looks like a great deal - but unfortunately I don't really know anything about the authors. Object-Oriented Programming in Python Michael H Goldwasser, David Letscher Prentice Hall List Price: $102.00 Our Price: $55.95 You Save: $46.05 (45% Off) Estimated Publication Date November 2007, 700 pages, ISBN 0136150314 Is this a good buy? Thanks, Sean Azelton University of Notre Dame Kent Johnson wrote: Bookpool is having a sale on all books from Addison-Wesley and Prentice Hall. In my opinion these are two of the best publishers for top-notch computer titles. A few Python books on sale: Core Python Programming $27.25 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132269937 Rapid Web Applications with TurboGears $24.50 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132433885 Some recommended non-Python books: Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software $32.95 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201633612 Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201485672 Agile Software Development Principles, Patterns, and Practices http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0135974445 Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change, 2nd Edition http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0321278658 and all the other books in this series These are just a few personal favorites, there are many more excellent books on sale. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
-Original Message- From: Bill Campbell Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 10:54 AM To: tutor@python.org Subject: Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley I've found bookpool.com to generally have better prices on technical books than Amazon or Powells. They're generally the first place I look. (my only assocation with any of them is as a customer). ... Bill Bookpool is pretty good. Half.com and nerdbooks.com are other places I look for cheaper tech books. Mike ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Thanks for the heads up! I have been looking to get Core Python Programming for a while now. ___ - Original Message From: Kent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tutor@python.org Sent: Wednesday, August 8, 2007 6:31:46 PM Subject: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley Bookpool is having a sale on all books from Addison-Wesley and Prentice Hall. In my opinion these are two of the best publishers for top-notch computer titles. A few Python books on sale: Core Python Programming $27.25 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132269937 Rapid Web Applications with TurboGears $24.50 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132433885 Some recommended non-Python books: Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software $32.95 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201633612 Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201485672 Agile Software Development Principles, Patterns, and Practices http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0135974445 Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change, 2nd Edition http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0321278658 and all the other books in this series These are just a few personal favorites, there are many more excellent books on sale. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
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Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Oh - I didn't mean Bookpool was too expensive - they are almost half the price of Amazon on this book. for clarification - I was wondering why the Object-Oriented Programming in Python book lists for $102.00 US when most books list for half that price. Sean On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kent. Can anyone tell me why the below book is listed as S expensive? With the sale Kent mentioned, it looks like a great deal - but unfortunately I don't really know anything about the authors. Object-Oriented Programming in Python Michael H Goldwasser, David Letscher Prentice Hall List Price: $102.00 Our Price: $55.95 You Save: $46.05 (45% Off) Estimated Publication Date November 2007, 700 pages, ISBN 0136150314 Is this a good buy? Thanks, Sean Azelton University of Notre Dame Kent Johnson wrote: Bookpool is having a sale on all books from Addison-Wesley and Prentice Hall. In my opinion these are two of the best publishers for top-notch computer titles. A few Python books on sale: Core Python Programming $27.25 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132269937 Rapid Web Applications with TurboGears $24.50 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132433885 Some recommended non-Python books: Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software $32.95 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201633612 Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201485672 Agile Software Development Principles, Patterns, and Practices http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0135974445 Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change, 2nd Edition http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0321278658 and all the other books in this series These are just a few personal favorites, there are many more excellent books on sale. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
I think it's intended to be a collegiate-level textbook, and not a find-a-copy-at-your-local-bookstore type of book. Textbooks are considerably more expensive. Tony R. On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh - I didn't mean Bookpool was too expensive - they are almost half the price of Amazon on this book. for clarification - I was wondering why the Object-Oriented Programming in Python book lists for $102.00 US when most books list for half that price. Sean On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Kent. Can anyone tell me why the below book is listed as S expensive? With the sale Kent mentioned, it looks like a great deal - but unfortunately I don't really know anything about the authors. Object-Oriented Programming in Python Michael H Goldwasser, David Letscher Prentice Hall List Price: $102.00 Our Price: $55.95 You Save: $46.05 (45% Off) Estimated Publication Date November 2007, 700 pages, ISBN 0136150314 Is this a good buy? Thanks, Sean Azelton University of Notre Dame Kent Johnson wrote: Bookpool is having a sale on all books from Addison-Wesley and Prentice Hall. In my opinion these are two of the best publishers for top-notch computer titles. A few Python books on sale: Core Python Programming $27.25 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132269937 Rapid Web Applications with TurboGears $24.50 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132433885 Some recommended non-Python books: Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software $32.95 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201633612 Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201485672 Agile Software Development Principles, Patterns, and Practices http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0135974445 Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change, 2nd Edition http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0321278658 and all the other books in this series These are just a few personal favorites, there are many more excellent books on sale. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
On 8/9/07, taserian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's intended to be a collegiate-level textbook, and not a find-a-copy-at-your-local-bookstore type of book. Textbooks are considerably more expensive. On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh - I didn't mean Bookpool was too expensive - they are almost half the price of Amazon on this book. for clarification - I was wondering why the Object-Oriented Programming in Python book lists for $102.00 US when most books list for half that price. On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me why the below book is listed as S expensive? Object-Oriented Programming in Python Michael H Goldwasser, David Letscher List Price: $102.00 Our Price: $55.95 You Save: $46.05 (45% Off) welcome to the wonderful world of book publishing! :-) as tony has alluded to, yes, the reason why it's so much is because it's being sold as a college textbook -- remember how much your's were? the author royalties are generally higher, but your book can only be found in college and/or technical bookstores, and generally at very steep prices and low discounts, so a 45% discount is *fantabulous*!! it's probably because this book won't make it out on time for the current school year, so to get some adoption, you need to make it affordable enough for people to buy on their own, even if they *aren't* in college. hope this helps! -wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Greetings, On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me why the below book is listed as S expensive? It might be a textbook? Textbooks are always expensive. With the sale Kent mentioned, it looks like a great deal - but unfortunately I don't really know anything about the authors. Object-Oriented Programming in Python Michael H Goldwasser, David Letscher Prentice Hall List Price: $102.00 Our Price: $55.95 You Save: $46.05 (45% Off) Estimated Publication Date November 2007, 700 pages, ISBN 0136150314 It hasn't been published yet. Often, people review books before they are published, so look for a review of the book. Is this a good buy? That's really hard to say until people have read it and reviewed it. The review by the book's publisher is usually prejudiced in favor of the book, as are the reviews by the author, his family, and friends. =) Unless you can get a complimentary 'review copy', and check it out for yourself (and write review for the rest of us), you won't know until people have had a chance to check it out. This may very well be a 2nd or subsequent edition, in which case, you may be able to find a review of a previous edition, and judge the book by those reviews. If it is a new edition, and you think $50 is too much to spend, check this site out: http://used.addall.com They list books from most of the used-book dealers (Alibris, Amazon, Abebooks, Biblio, Powells, etc.). I usually check Price Ascending to get the low prices. Caveat: when buying from used-book dealers, the lowest-price dealer isn't always the best deal! Check out their over-all track-record. Is this the 1st book they're selling, or the 12,000th? What kind of positive feedback rating do they have? Other than that (common-sense?) warning, *I* have had great success buying used-books from used-book dealers. Thanks, Sean Azelton University of Notre Dame Often, a previous edition of a textbook can be found for less than half the cover price of the newest edition. If the new edition hasn't been completely reformated or otherwise changed, the previous edition will serve nicely. Often errata can be found for older editions. Happy Programming! -- bhaaluu at gmail dot com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Yes - collegiate text book does make sense. I certainly do remember how expensive mine were! For my part I think I'll stick with your book Wesley, and Mark Lutz's book (since I already have that one). Thanks! Sean On 8/9/07, wesley chun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/9/07, taserian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it's intended to be a collegiate-level textbook, and not a find-a-copy-at-your-local-bookstore type of book. Textbooks are considerably more expensive. On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh - I didn't mean Bookpool was too expensive - they are almost half the price of Amazon on this book. for clarification - I was wondering why the Object-Oriented Programming in Python book lists for $102.00 US when most books list for half that price. On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone tell me why the below book is listed as S expensive? Object-Oriented Programming in Python Michael H Goldwasser, David Letscher List Price: $102.00 Our Price: $55.95 You Save: $46.05 (45% Off) welcome to the wonderful world of book publishing! :-) as tony has alluded to, yes, the reason why it's so much is because it's being sold as a college textbook -- remember how much your's were? the author royalties are generally higher, but your book can only be found in college and/or technical bookstores, and generally at very steep prices and low discounts, so a 45% discount is *fantabulous*!! it's probably because this book won't make it out on time for the current school year, so to get some adoption, you need to make it affordable enough for people to buy on their own, even if they *aren't* in college. hope this helps! -wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
On 8/9/07, Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - collegiate text book does make sense. I certainly do remember how expensive mine were! For my part I think I'll stick with your book Wesley, and Mark Lutz's book (since I already have that one). that's great! :-) of course, i should note that although the OOP chapter in Core Python is (as the lead tech reviewer put it) huge (120pp.), it's not a substitute for a book whose *entire focus* is OOP. anyway, i'm going to pick up a copy of it myself at some point and check it out to see if it's worth a hundred bucks. :-) cheers, -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Sean Azelton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Object-Oriented Programming in Python Michael H Goldwasser, David Letscher Prentice Hall List Price: $102.00 cough! How much? Our Price: $55.95 Still expensive but within the realms of reality. Estimated Publication Date November 2007, 700 pages, ISBN 0136150314 Is this a good buy? Doesn't look like it, but then I haven't read it. It just might be the greatest OOP/Python book ever written. But I doubt it. The Deitel books are similarly expensive($75) at list price but less than $50 at discount. The latter price is realistic, the list price silly. I think some publishers deliberately go for high list price and rely on people being suckered in by the huge discounts. Ignore the saving, ask: is the price I'm paying what I feel is right for what I'm getting? Alan G. ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Does this book fully integrate 2.4/2.5 language and module additions? The first Python book I read presented core elements from a list-tuple-dictionary perspective. Now that there are Sets, and an array module, I'm interested in a presentation that incorporates those. The help topics are fine, but not a substitute for learning when you would use the new tyles/modules. Thanks, -rp -Original Message- that's great! :-) of course, i should note that although the OOP chapter in Core Python is (as the lead tech reviewer put it) huge (120pp.), it's not a substitute for a book whose *entire focus* is OOP. anyway, i'm going to pick up a copy of it myself at some point and check it out to see if it's worth a hundred bucks. :-) cheers, -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
bhaaluu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote It might be a textbook? Textbooks are always expensive. You can tell I went to a Scottish university: most of my textbooks were under $20, some under $10... And anything over that was bought at the student's union thrift-stall, second hand! :-) Alan G. Scottish landlady to new lodger: Jist tell me whit ye need laddie and I'll show ye how to dae withoot it ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Does this book fully integrate 2.4/2.5 language and module additions? yes, and even some minor stuff that's guaranteed to be in 2.6, i.e., as and with become keywords, the continued extinction of string exceptions, the continuing migration towards absolute and relative importing, etc. here is the PEP for the 2.6 release: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0361/ The first Python book I read presented core elements from a list-tuple-dictionary perspective. my approach is more from an object perspective. once you fully understand Python's treatment of objects, memory management, references, etc., then i compare/contrast all of the standard types and how they relate to one another, again, from that perspective, NOT: Python has numbers, strings, lists, tuples, and dictionaries, and here is how to use them. the book's manifesto or philosophy is available at its website: http://corepython.com or my note on its page at Amazon: http://amazon.com/o/asin/0132269937 Now that there are Sets, and an array module, I'm interested in a presentation that incorporates those. The help topics are fine, but not a substitute for learning when you would use the new tyles/modules. sets are similar to dicts in that they are hashed types, so they are incorporated into the same chapter. likewise, strings, lists, and tuples are all sequences, so they get their own chapter. this applies to numbers too. and true to my word, all 3 of those come *after* the objects and memory management chapter(s). for further reading, here is the PEP for sets: http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0218/ the array module contains specialized object types for numerical calculations. since most of the time, you will be using lists instead, i do reference that module but do not go in-depth as it is not a core part of the language. (folks coming from other languages may find this demotion of arrays more difficult to swallow, but that really isn't the case. both arrays and lists are sequence types, with the main difference that lists are heterogeneous. other than that, they work just like arrays from other languages, so that's what people tend to use, esp. since it is a standard type that you do not have import to use.) for more on the array module: http://www.python.org/doc/2.5/lib/module-array.html you can get a table of contents at any online book retailer, or even the publisher's website. you can even download a sample chapter and the index there too. links to retailers and the publisher, as well as reviews and other goodies are also available at the book's website. Note: bookpool is currently sold out. it happens quite regularly... i don't know how to tell them to order more to keep in stock! ;-) anyway, from what i've seen, it takes them about a week or two to get them in. it is also likely that this publisher's sale will last the entire month, but if you want the guarantee the price, you can just order it now and wait for them to ship it to you. i only know all this cuz i generally buy my books from bookpool too! hope this helps! -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
Re: [Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Yes, helps very much in conveying your philosophy and approach. I have a decent OO background from a few other languages, and this your approach sounds very appealing. Consider the book ordered s! -- Randy -Original Message- hope this helps! -- wesley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Core Python Programming, Prentice Hall, (c)2007,2001 http://corepython.com wesley.j.chun :: wescpy-at-gmail.com python training and technical consulting cyberweb.consulting : silicon valley, ca http://cyberwebconsulting.com ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
[Tutor] Bookpool sale on Addison Wesley
Bookpool is having a sale on all books from Addison-Wesley and Prentice Hall. In my opinion these are two of the best publishers for top-notch computer titles. A few Python books on sale: Core Python Programming $27.25 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132269937 Rapid Web Applications with TurboGears $24.50 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0132433885 Some recommended non-Python books: Design Patterns: Elements of Reusable Object-Oriented Software $32.95 http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201633612 Refactoring: Improving the Design of Existing Code http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0201485672 Agile Software Development Principles, Patterns, and Practices http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0135974445 Extreme Programming Explained: Embrace Change, 2nd Edition http://www.bookpool.com/sm/0321278658 and all the other books in this series These are just a few personal favorites, there are many more excellent books on sale. Kent ___ Tutor maillist - Tutor@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/tutor
