Re: [TV orNotTV] Erin Burnett has a potty mouth

2017-09-25 Thread PGage 
Yes, of all the uses of the phrase "son of a bitch" over the last three
days, its use by a mid-level, mid-pack cable news anchor is definitley the
most offensive...

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 6:19 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Did anyone see Erin Burnett today on CNN? she used the phrase "son of a
> bitch" at least a half dozen times today in the first eight minutes of her
> show.
>
> She was quoting Trump, but it seemed excessive.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Report: Megyn Kelly's first NBC interview will be the Kardashians

2017-09-25 Thread Steve Timko 
The Washington Post says Kelly's daytime debut bombed.

NBC’s Megyn Kelly experiment unveils its latest creation, a morning-show Bride 
of Frankenstein
http://wapo.st/2yE09zM

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On Aug 1, 2017, 7:20 AM, at 7:20 AM, PGage  wrote:
>Well, I guess I am into jokes about those kinds of people. I am also
>into
>jokes about dictators who order the executions of journalists who defy
>them
>and insurance companies who profit off the terminal illnesses of
>children
>without paying for needed medical care. I don't think Jones somehow
>buys
>immunity from ridicule because he is a horrible excuse for a human
>being.
>
>Satire and ridicule from John Oliver is not going to end Putin or
>cancel
>Jones - nor should it. That would be too much power to give a skinny
>guy
>with a little cable comedy show. Their true believers will continue to
>be
>true. It does contribute though to a better and broader understanding
>not
>just of why these people are horrible, but of the kinds of people who
>are
>enabling them.
>
>On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 11:20 PM Kevin M. 
>wrote:
>
>> Well, I watched Oliver's segment. I guess if you're into joking about
>> people who accuse the parents of murdered children of being actors,
>then --
>> sure -- this is a hoot. I am glad Oliver didn't interview Jones, but
>Jones
>> is the sort of narcissist who gets off on any mention of himself, and
>> Oliver bought products off the lunatic's website, so I think Jones
>won this
>> round.
>>
>> I was gonna say I wish Oliver was still on The Bugle, but then I
>never
>> would've discovered Nish Kumar, so never mind.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:30 PM, PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> Steve I think you have missed the point that was being made in
>>> criticizing Kelly. It was often said that if she wanted to expose
>him as a
>>> fraud that might be worthwhile journalism, but giving him a platform
>on
>>> which to normalize himself as simply one voice among a continuum of
>>> perspectives was irresponsible. If Megyn Kelly had done a straight
>news
>>> version of what Oliver did last night I don't think yo would have
>heard
>>> much criticism of her.
>>>
>>> I thought Oliver was fanatastic last night BTW, Only exception - I
>don't
>>> agree with his making fun of the CNN annotated video of the McCain
>vote
>>> against "Skinny Repeal" of ACA. I liked that video (and the several
>still
>>> photograph versions appearing elsewhere).
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:24 PM Steve Timko 
>wrote:
>>>
 Megyn Kelly pointed that out well.
 People who follow Alex Jones won't be dissuaded by Megyn Kelly or
>John
 Oliver. They essentially want to be lied to.

 Not sent from an iPhone.
 On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:17 PM, Adam Bowie 
>wrote:
>
> And much as it sometimes seems that an appalling person is being
>given
> too much airtime, I think it's helpful to expose people for what
>they are,
> rather than brush them under the carpet. In this instance a man
>who's a
> proponent of the most appalling conspiracy theories is actually
>just
> flogging dubious supplements at extortionate prices.
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Jon Delfin 
> wrote:
>
>> Oliver did not talk to the guy. He talked about the guy. At
>length.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Kevin M.
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't seen Oliver's show in a while, but if you're comparing
>what
>>> a comic does to what a journalist does, it is apples and
>oranges. I
>>> wouldn't give Jones time in my tiny podcast, not even to mock
>him, and I'm
>>> annoyed Oliver would give the guy airtime, but I don't think a
>comic
>>> talking to a nutjob is the same as a supposed journalist. But
>yeah, Oliver
>>> annoys for talking to the guy.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 9:10 AM Jon Delfin <
>jondel...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
 On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Steve Timko
>
 wrote:

> So there were harsh words in this thread for Megyn Kelly after
>her
> piece on Alex Jones. John Oliver did one last night on Alex
>Jones as well.
> Will there be harsh words for him?
>
> https://youtu.be/WyGq6cjcc3Q
>

 From Alex Jones, probably.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CIN-GB delaying Discovery

2017-09-25 Thread Kevin M. 
On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 8:09 PM, M-D November  wrote:

>  Although I did appreciate the liberal use of TOS SFX.
>
> No spoilers, but having watched the first episode, the only thing that in
any way relates to Star Trek are those sound effects and the names of the
alien races. As a pilot episode for a sci-fi series that isn't connected to
Star Trek, it was OK (better than Orville). But as canonical Trek, it was
bitterly disappointing.

What is regarded as the least successful of the Trek TV shows was the
Enterprise prequel. For them to attempt another prequel, they needed to
connect the dots, bridge the gap, or whatever other metaphor is suitable.
In this, they failed. As with damned near every rebooted TV franchise over
the last 20 years, it would have been better as a standalone entity.

I've no need to pay to stream a poorly thought out concept, even if the
effects are nifty, and even if the sound effects are familiar.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CIN-GB delaying Discovery

2017-09-25 Thread M-D November 
The best way I can think of to describe The Orville is “TNG with dick jokes”, 
but I was impressed by the amount of world building and backstory established 
in the pilot without a lot of infodump conversations. They also acknowledged 
that the audience has at least a basic knowledge of Trek and didn’t bother to 
spoonfeed basic tenants of Trek like warp drive.

As for the NuTrek films, remember that those films exist in a bubble; the 
implication is that technological development in the Kelvin timeline was more 
rapid because Starfleet was more concerned about interstellar war and less 
concerned with exploration (see:USS Vengeance). I get that trying to replicate 
the TOS look isn’t practical, but if Discovery takes place in the prime 
timeline, then visually there should be a straight line from Enterprise through 
Discovery to TOS (or at least come common visual cues). Although I did 
appreciate the liberal use of TOS SFX. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Erin Burnett has a potty mouth

2017-09-25 Thread Jay Lewis 
6 times in about 5 minutes (I checked the tape) once the rundown 
timer(s) started.


On 9/25/2017 10:59 PM, Jay Lewis wrote:
TK & Wilbon probably said it as many times (more?) in the first 3 
minutes of PTI. *shrug*


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On 9/25/2017 10:19 PM, Steve Timko wrote:
Did anyone see Erin Burnett today on CNN? she used the phrase "son of 
a bitch" at least a half dozen times today in the first eight minutes 
of her show.


She was quoting Trump, but it seemed excessive.




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Re: [TV orNotTV] Erin Burnett has a potty mouth

2017-09-25 Thread Jay Lewis 
TK & Wilbon probably said it as many times (more?) in the first 3 
minutes of PTI. *shrug*


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On 9/25/2017 10:19 PM, Steve Timko wrote:
Did anyone see Erin Burnett today on CNN? she used the phrase "son of 
a bitch" at least a half dozen times today in the first eight minutes 
of her show.


She was quoting Trump, but it seemed excessive.


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[TV orNotTV] Erin Burnett has a potty mouth

2017-09-25 Thread Steve Timko 
Did anyone see Erin Burnett today on CNN? she used the phrase "son of a bitch" 
at least a half dozen times today in the first eight minutes of her show. 

She was quoting Trump, but it seemed excessive. 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CIN-GB delaying Discovery

2017-09-25 Thread PGage 
I have only seen the first episode of Orville, but I did not hate it. I saw
both episodes of STD last night, and saw some things I really liked, but it
was not love at first sight. I am not that bothered by the visual look, but
I was not impressed with the dialogue. But the, I recall how much I did not
like the first two episodes of TNG, so I am more than willing to give it
some time.

The CBS Access subscription is a disaster. I was surprised at the limited
archive of many of the current shows; I have never seen Big Bang Theorey,
and thought maybe I would take this  opportunity to go back and watch from
the begining. But only a relative handful are available. Some shows do have
a deep archive (Surivor). There is an odd selection of older shows
(Twiglight Zone, Mission Impossible, Cheers, for example) and some pretty
good theatrical films (but relatively small selection). The main problem
there is most of what is available on the Access is already available on
other platforms. I would like to see a list of uniquely available content -
it may not be much more than STD and that Good Wife follow-up. Give that my
three adult children also want to watch STD (each in different locations
from me), the fee for Access is justifiable for me for now, but as soon as
the season is over I will cancel it.

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> > On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:53 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> > I believe you are the first person I've read with a positive impression
> of The Orville.  This makes me think I might like a live-action Seth
> MacFarlane vehicle.  The minute of the show I checked out so far has a
> production design pretty consistent with TNG, FWIW.
>
> Count me as someone else who's enjoying "The Orville." You're correct that
> it's very much like "TNG."
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CIN-GB delaying Discovery

2017-09-25 Thread Jim Ellwanger 

> On Sep 24, 2017, at 10:53 PM, 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe you are the first person I've read with a positive impression of 
> The Orville.  This makes me think I might like a live-action Seth MacFarlane 
> vehicle.  The minute of the show I checked out so far has a production design 
> pretty consistent with TNG, FWIW.

Count me as someone else who's enjoying "The Orville." You're correct that it's 
very much like "TNG."


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