[TV orNotTV] IYC: Daytime Emmys Jan. 15 on CBS, P+

[Mark Jeffries]

Two people from "ET" are hosting--they couldn't get Drew to host?  (Either 
one, although game shows are now in the primetime Emmys):

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/2023-daytime-emmy-awards-date-1235644368/

Not even Gayle KIng and Nate Burleson? (Yeah, they're news, but CBS News 
ain't exactly Edward R. Murrow these days.)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[PGage]

Add to that Wall Street now seems to mostly care about debt reduction, and
rewards studios and streamers immediately with a bump in their stock price
when any significant debt reduction is announced. So Zaz pays down his
enormous debt load and gets a stock bump in basically real time.

The Studio heads were always about making money, but say what you want
about the old guard, they also were to some degree interested in making
good or popular movies. That is in no way true of guys like Zaz, who are
100% in the money making business, not show business.

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 at 1:52 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> According to Matt Belamy at Puck, the film is now going to get shopped
> around, so not necessarily locked into the vault. Aside from anything else,
> I guess there are some relationships to maintain.
>
> He also has a bit of a discussion about exactly how much you really save
> by taking a tax write off on a film that has already cost millions.
> Basically, the main gain is that you can account for it sooner, rather than
> waiting months or years for the movie to play through the various windows
> and the accounting to be mostly calculated. So take the loss now rather
> than a year or two down the line. And WBD does have an enormous debt pile
> to pay down.
>
> I've got to think that with the likely paucity of movies in theatres in
> spring/summer next year, someone will bite on this. I mean "Trolls Band
> Together" which hasn't even opened in the US yet, has earned nearly $60m.
> (OK - I know film economics mean you basically need to double your
> production budget to hit the black, and this movie is said to have cost
> $70m).
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:35 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> There’s a biased reasoning that if the movie is getting shelved it must
>> be a terrible movie. It’s entirely possible that these movies are fine,
>> even better than some which have been released, but there’s some accounting
>> or tax benefit to shelving them. If it’s saving them money one way or
>> another it doesn’t have to make sense.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 2:27 PM M-D November 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He released the new Space Jam movie, but this is getting shelved?  Come
>>> on.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:40:52 AM UTC-5 Kevin M. wrote:
>>>


 As others indicated, I’m not versed in studio accountancy, but nobody
 seemed interested in the tax write off by NOT releasing the Cindy
 Crawford/Baldwin brother film Fair Game, despite it being theatrical
 malaise. The studio that gave us Kangaroo Jack is claiming a Wile E Coyote
 movie is somehow lacking?! The studio said “yes” to the cinematic flotsam
 and jetsam that was the Arthur remake, Battlefield Earth, and Cop Out, but
 a film about a female caped crusader gets buried in a shallow grave?


 On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:36 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> Producers, directors, writers, and some technical people have to take
> years out of their lives to make movies like this happen. To go through 
> all
> that and then find out nobody will get a chance to watch them must be
> heartbreaking.
>
> It’s like a Renaissance prince was a patron to a master artist. He
> asks the artist for a painting on a specific subject, and when the artist
> shows him the final work he burns it.
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:02 AM Doug Eastick 
> wrote:
>
>> I would have liked to watch this.
>>
>> Resilience, anvils, trains, fake light at the end of the tunnel
>> So many metaphors for this story.
>>
>> I still don't really Get the idea of spending $70M+ and canning it
>> and getting a tax write-off. I guess that's why I'm not an accountant.
>>
>>
>>
>> /Doug
>> eas...@mcd.on.ca
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 7:05 p.m. Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> It’s a clever premise. Sort of like Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
>>> but for the WB animated characters
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM Mark Jeffries 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The live-action/CGI film made originally for Max (when it was HBO
 Max) in which Wile E. Coyote sues the maker of all of those devices 
 that
 did not help him catch the Road-Runner, in which John Cena played the
 attorney representing ACME, wrapped last year, was moved to theatrical
 release in July but got postponed in favor of, hi "Barbie"!, and now 
 Daddy
 Zaslav, Super Genius, has decided that it will jon "Batgirl" and 
 "Scoob!
 Holiday Haunt" in the Land of Tax Write-offs--understandably, the 
 film's
 director is pissed:


 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-cena-coyote-vs-acme-movie-shelved-1235643235/



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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[Adam Bowie]

The $60m is purely international figures. I don't think the "sneak preview"
box office numbers get reported until the actual opening weekend when they
get added together and create a suspiciously large number to ensure they go
high in the top 10. So basically that's $60m before the US has taken a
dollar.

(In the UK it was nearly $10m alone, as far as I can see by virtue of being
the only kids' film around during half-term break - not something that
happens in the US, although you obviously get long-weekends around certain
public holidays. Distributors always have a kid-friendly film in those
periods here to help out parents who are looking for something - *anything*
- to do with their kids. Especially in the darker, colder days of
November... A colleague of mine did precisely this with her kids. She said,
"It's exactly what you think it will be.")

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 5:16 PM M-D November  wrote:

> To be fair, the Trolls number is probably heavily influenced by the 'sneak
> preview' screening last weekend and presale of 1st-run streaming rights to
> the 'Cock.
>
> Honestly, tho...how does any student OTHER than WB release a Road
> Runner/Wile E. Coyote movie? ("Roger Rabbit" not withstanding.)
>
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[M-D November]

To be fair, the Trolls number is probably heavily influenced by the 'sneak 
preview' screening last weekend and presale of 1st-run streaming rights to 
the 'Cock.

Honestly, tho...how does any student OTHER than WB release a Road 
Runner/Wile E. Coyote movie? ("Roger Rabbit" not withstanding.)

On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 4:52:14 AM UTC-5 Adam Bowie wrote:

> According to Matt Belamy at Puck, the film is now going to get shopped 
> around, so not necessarily locked into the vault. Aside from anything else, 
> I guess there are some relationships to maintain. 
>
> He also has a bit of a discussion about exactly how much you really save 
> by taking a tax write off on a film that has already cost millions. 
> Basically, the main gain is that you can account for it sooner, rather than 
> waiting months or years for the movie to play through the various windows 
> and the accounting to be mostly calculated. So take the loss now rather 
> than a year or two down the line. And WBD does have an enormous debt pile 
> to pay down.
>
> I've got to think that with the likely paucity of movies in theatres in 
> spring/summer next year, someone will bite on this. I mean "Trolls Band 
> Together" which hasn't even opened in the US yet, has earned nearly $60m. 
> (OK - I know film economics mean you basically need to double your 
> production budget to hit the black, and this movie is said to have cost  
> $70m).
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:35 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> There’s a biased reasoning that if the movie is getting shelved it must 
>> be a terrible movie. It’s entirely possible that these movies are fine, 
>> even better than some which have been released, but there’s some accounting 
>> or tax benefit to shelving them. If it’s saving them money one way or 
>> another it doesn’t have to make sense.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 2:27 PM M-D November  wrote:
>>
>>> He released the new Space Jam movie, but this is getting shelved?  Come 
>>> on.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:40:52 AM UTC-5 Kevin M. wrote:
>>>


 As others indicated, I’m not versed in studio accountancy, but nobody 
 seemed interested in the tax write off by NOT releasing the Cindy 
 Crawford/Baldwin brother film Fair Game, despite it being theatrical 
 malaise. The studio that gave us Kangaroo Jack is claiming a Wile E Coyote 
 movie is somehow lacking?! The studio said “yes” to the cinematic flotsam 
 and jetsam that was the Arthur remake, Battlefield Earth, and Cop Out, but 
 a film about a female caped crusader gets buried in a shallow grave?


 On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:36 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> Producers, directors, writers, and some technical people have to take 
> years out of their lives to make movies like this happen. To go through 
> all 
> that and then find out nobody will get a chance to watch them must be 
> heartbreaking.
>
> It’s like a Renaissance prince was a patron to a master artist. He 
> asks the artist for a painting on a specific subject, and when the artist 
> shows him the final work he burns it.
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:02 AM Doug Eastick  
> wrote:
>
>> I would have liked to watch this.
>>
>> Resilience, anvils, trains, fake light at the end of the tunnel 
>> So many metaphors for this story.
>>
>> I still don't really Get the idea of spending $70M+ and canning it 
>> and getting a tax write-off. I guess that's why I'm not an accountant.
>>
>>
>>
>> /Doug 
>> eas...@mcd.on.ca
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 7:05 p.m. Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> It’s a clever premise. Sort of like Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law 
>>> but for the WB animated characters 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM Mark Jeffries  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The live-action/CGI film made originally for Max (when it was HBO 
 Max) in which Wile E. Coyote sues the maker of all of those devices 
 that 
 did not help him catch the Road-Runner, in which John Cena played the 
 attorney representing ACME, wrapped last year, was moved to theatrical 
 release in July but got postponed in favor of, hi "Barbie"!, and now 
 Daddy 
 Zaslav, Super Genius, has decided that it will jon "Batgirl" and 
 "Scoob! 
 Holiday Haunt" in the Land of Tax Write-offs--understandably, the 
 film's 
 director is pissed:


 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-cena-coyote-vs-acme-movie-shelved-1235643235/



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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[Adam Bowie]

According to Matt Belamy at Puck, the film is now going to get shopped
around, so not necessarily locked into the vault. Aside from anything else,
I guess there are some relationships to maintain.

He also has a bit of a discussion about exactly how much you really save by
taking a tax write off on a film that has already cost millions. Basically,
the main gain is that you can account for it sooner, rather than waiting
months or years for the movie to play through the various windows and the
accounting to be mostly calculated. So take the loss now rather than a year
or two down the line. And WBD does have an enormous debt pile to pay down.

I've got to think that with the likely paucity of movies in theatres in
spring/summer next year, someone will bite on this. I mean "Trolls Band
Together" which hasn't even opened in the US yet, has earned nearly $60m.
(OK - I know film economics mean you basically need to double your
production budget to hit the black, and this movie is said to have cost
$70m).


Adam

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:35 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> There’s a biased reasoning that if the movie is getting shelved it must be
> a terrible movie. It’s entirely possible that these movies are fine, even
> better than some which have been released, but there’s some accounting or
> tax benefit to shelving them. If it’s saving them money one way or another
> it doesn’t have to make sense.
>
> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 2:27 PM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> He released the new Space Jam movie, but this is getting shelved?  Come
>> on.
>>
>> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:40:52 AM UTC-5 Kevin M. wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As others indicated, I’m not versed in studio accountancy, but nobody
>>> seemed interested in the tax write off by NOT releasing the Cindy
>>> Crawford/Baldwin brother film Fair Game, despite it being theatrical
>>> malaise. The studio that gave us Kangaroo Jack is claiming a Wile E Coyote
>>> movie is somehow lacking?! The studio said “yes” to the cinematic flotsam
>>> and jetsam that was the Arthur remake, Battlefield Earth, and Cop Out, but
>>> a film about a female caped crusader gets buried in a shallow grave?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:36 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
 Producers, directors, writers, and some technical people have to take
 years out of their lives to make movies like this happen. To go through all
 that and then find out nobody will get a chance to watch them must be
 heartbreaking.

 It’s like a Renaissance prince was a patron to a master artist. He asks
 the artist for a painting on a specific subject, and when the artist shows
 him the final work he burns it.

 On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:02 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I would have liked to watch this.
>
> Resilience, anvils, trains, fake light at the end of the tunnel So
> many metaphors for this story.
>
> I still don't really Get the idea of spending $70M+ and canning it and
> getting a tax write-off. I guess that's why I'm not an accountant.
>
>
>
> /Doug
> eas...@mcd.on.ca
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 7:05 p.m. Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> It’s a clever premise. Sort of like Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
>> but for the WB animated characters
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The live-action/CGI film made originally for Max (when it was HBO
>>> Max) in which Wile E. Coyote sues the maker of all of those devices that
>>> did not help him catch the Road-Runner, in which John Cena played the
>>> attorney representing ACME, wrapped last year, was moved to theatrical
>>> release in July but got postponed in favor of, hi "Barbie"!, and now 
>>> Daddy
>>> Zaslav, Super Genius, has decided that it will jon "Batgirl" and "Scoob!
>>> Holiday Haunt" in the Land of Tax Write-offs--understandably, the film's
>>> director is pissed:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-cena-coyote-vs-acme-movie-shelved-1235643235/
>>>
>>>
>>>
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