Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Hutch' Dies at 80

['Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV]

I just want to stick up for "Girl from the North Country." I have next to 
no interest in Dylan or his music and was floored by this one.

--Dave Sikula

On Saturday, January 6, 2024 at 8:44:45 AM UTC-8 Melissa P wrote:

> Soul was the star of what is my most unusual experience in a theater.  He 
> played Jerry Springer in *Jerry Springer the Opera* when I saw the show 
> in London.
>
> Speaking of theater, as an aside, I had both my best and worst theater 
> experiences in 2023 -- the best:  Sean Hayes in *Goodnight, Oscar* -- and 
> the worst: * A Girl from the North Country*.
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2024 at 12:21 AM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Not to speak ill of the dead, but I never forgave David Soul for the 
>> Casablanca prequel on TV. He played Rick.
>> I like Bread, by the way.
>>
>> Get TypeApp for Android  
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 7:21 PM, "Kevin M."  wrote:
>>>
>>> A few years ago I tried giving Starsky & Hutch a rewatch. As a kid I 
>>> recalled watching it; I figured the kitsch/nostalgia factor would make me 
>>> enjoy it as an adult. It did not. I think the actors did the best with what 
>>> they were given, but they weren’t given much. It wasn’t even cliche or 
>>> filled with stereotypes; it was just bad.  
>>>
>>> As for his music, fur reasons I’ve never been able to explain to myself 
>>> or others, I’ve never been able to distinguish David Soul from David Gates 
>>> (the lead singer of Bread), so I just avoid them both.  
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV) 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 7:08 PM Mark Jeffries  
>>> wrote: 
>>>
 Even though his first success was the Western dramedy "Here Come the 
 Brides," he later starred in the 1979 Stephen King mini-series "Salem's 
 Lot" and had a good career has a pop singer ("Don't GIve Up on Us" hit 
 number one in 1976), David Soul's career will be dominated by his role as 
 the brainy police sergeant Kenneth Richard “Hutch” Hutchinson on the ABC 
 buddy cop show "Starsky and Hutch," which ran for four years in the 70s as 
 part of the Fred Silverman/Aaron Spelling hot streak at the Alphabet--Mr. 
 Soul and co-star Paul Michael Glaser recreated their roles for the 2004 
 movie with Ben Stiller and Owen Wilson, which played the show more for 
 laughs: 

 https://www.thewrap.com/david-soul-dies-starky-and-hutch/ 

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Your Globes Host is Jo Koy--Who?

[PGage]

I do wish Koy had asked for and taken my advice; he would have been better
off skipping this gig. I don’t think his set went over well. Not really his
fault - they didn’t give him much time to prepare, and he did not have the
status to really kid around with big stars. The audience looked like they
were all saying “who the fuck is this guy?”.  Even my wife didn’t really
dig it very much. He would have been better off doing 3 min of his Filipino
son schtick and then leaning into his outsider status, rather than trying
to be Billy Crystal. You know you are in trouble when you are an Asian
comedian and Will Ferrell gets a bigger laugh for his sushi joke than you
do.

But he did his job; filled the space while cameras verified that all the
big names showed up (I counted two big names from Succession as only
notable absences. Also Ricky Gervais).

Nothing very notable happened - probably Lily Gladstone winning for Flower
Moon, while not surprising, was most interesting. The two flavors of
Hollywood liberal did not fight it out in public over Israel, as some
feared.  Mostly seemed to demonstrate that the GGs had been detoxified and
Hollywood was clear to again use it to hype their films and careers. I
suspect we will see a bigger named host next year.

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On Mon, 1 Jan 2024 at 3:08 PM PGage  wrote:

> We are big fans of Jo Koy, so he is not unheralded in our house. Have seen
> him live a few times, seen his act either on cable or streaming. A lot of
> his humor has to do with growing up with a Filipina mother; my wife was
> note in Manila and grew up in Hawaii, so she is dead center demo. I laugh
> even when he’s not funny because it makes me smile to see my wife so happy.
>
> Point holds, while Moy is a successful, professional stand up comic, as
> little as three years age it would be unthinkable that a comic of his lid,
> niche level would get the GG hosting gig. Today, well, if he checked with
> me I would tell him he was slumming and damaging his brand. Still, I guess
> if he kills he will jump the line.
>
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>
>
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 at 7:09 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> The relatively unheralded standup is fronting the Globescast on Jan. 7 on
>> CBS, since the strategy of a relatively-unknown standup hosting worked so
>> well last time (in case you forgot, Jarrod Carmichael tore the Hollywood
>> Foreign Press Association a new one for their many years of improprieties
>> on the last telecast):
>>
>> https://www.thewrap.com/golden-globes-host-2024-jo-koy/
>>
>> Guess neither Wayne Brady, Drew Carey, Colbert nor Cedric the Entertainer
>> was available (and Penske/dcp didn't want "Entertainment Tonight" people
>> hosting like the Daytime Emmys this year), Lorne told Tina and Amy not to
>> go on CBS and no way in hell is Ricky getting the gig again.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Thread on the 60s spiderman animation

[John Edwards]

This Spiderman (which I did see a ton of growing up - well into the late
80s) tended to prefer shooting webs at its adversaries.

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 12:05 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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> Sure that wasn't "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends"? B
>
> Kevin M, to Doug Eastick, Jan 6th:
>
> Was this the series where Spidey used to hug/wrestle his enemies due to
> restrictions on cartoon violence?40mail.gmail.com
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: Owner of most major market radio stations files for bankruptcy

[Kevin M.]

The revenue number is a good starting point, but I suspect the profit
margin has never been more slim, and it will only worsen as radio
listeners… well… die. British radio is (at least from an outsider’s
perspective) more diverse than American radio, with dramas and comedies as
well as news, sports, talk, and music. There are simply no new US radio
listeners taking the place of the older ones. For the life of me, I cannot
fathom why anyone would advertise on it.

There are many fingers to point the blame for the death of American radio,
but chief among them has to be the mega companies merging all the stations
into effectively (or noneffectively) one bland playlist on an infinite
loop. Through consolidation, radio lost its identity and it lost the
connection it made with its listeners, who flocked to podcasts for acoustic
intimacy and gravitated towards Spotify because it at least plays different
music occasionally.

The only stations I’m aware of consistently turning a profit are the right
wing talk stations, because I guess MyPillow has to advertise somewhere.

PS- By contrast, at least in Los Angeles, Spanish-language radio continues
to flourish, as it has for decades. They manage to connect with the
community in ways no English-language station has been able to do since
KMET 94.7 signed off in the 1980s.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 11:39 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> US radio is still insanely profitable, turning over around $13bn in
> revenues in 2023. For context, US podcast revenues were forecast to be
> about $2bn.
>
> The main problem in recent years has been insane debt levels caused by all
> the consolidation that just couldn't be serviced. Everyone biting off way
> more than they could chew. The underlying business of radio is still
> perfectly viable commercially.
>
> So although broadcast radio may be in long-term decline, like broadcast
> television, and owners might indeed be playing the same six songs over and
> over, but they still have audiences... That's a creative issue.
>
> Also, a bit like streaming TV services mostly just lose money, Spotify
> only just about washes its face. We seem to have moved into an era where
> the new services replacing the old, are not remotely as profitable as the
> outgoing business models...
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:12 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Turns out listeners might want to hear more than the same six songs plays
>> over and over. Go figure.
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/audacy-kroq-wfan-files-bankruptcy-1235781045/amp/
>>
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Question for the brain trust: Best courtroom depiction

[Kevin M.]

Thank you for the suggestions. I pulled some scenes from Murder One, from a
first season LA Law episode (before they became a cartoon), and some
courtroom scenes from Homicide: Life on the Street. I also added the
opening scene from The Paper Chase where the teacher is so intimidating he
makes his student throw up… while it is in law school and not a courtroom
per se, it’s always good to prepare students for what is to come.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 1:08 PM Melissa P  wrote:

> I'm not going to be terribly helpful, but I admired the work in *The Good
> Wife* and *The Good Fight*.
>
> And kudos to those here who offered *My Cousin Vinny* and *Murder One*.
>
> Not exactly an answer to your quest, but I greatly admire an episode of *The
> Good Wife* in which Alicia is assigned to the Public Defender's office.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 3:55 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> I need to show my middle school class how a courtroom functions. Opening
>> statements, examination, cross examination, closing arguments. Should be
>> one hour or less. Looking for the best example.
>>
>> It’s harder than you think. Perry Mason is unrealistic in nearly every
>> episode. LA Law doesn’t show most trials complete.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Question for the brain trust: Best courtroom depiction

[Melissa P]

I'm not going to be terribly helpful, but I admired the work in *The Good
Wife* and *The Good Fight*.

And kudos to those here who offered *My Cousin Vinny* and *Murder One*.

Not exactly an answer to your quest, but I greatly admire an episode of *The
Good Wife* in which Alicia is assigned to the Public Defender's office.


On Fri, Jan 5, 2024 at 3:55 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I need to show my middle school class how a courtroom functions. Opening
> statements, examination, cross examination, closing arguments. Should be
> one hour or less. Looking for the best example.
>
> It’s harder than you think. Perry Mason is unrealistic in nearly every
> episode. LA Law doesn’t show most trials complete.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
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[TV orNotTV] SemiNoTV: 'Caddyshack''s 'Lacey Underall' Dies at 69

[Mark Jeffries]

Northwest Side Chicago girl Cynthia Cichorski got into radio when she went 
to Northern Illinois University in DeKalb--when commercial station in town 
WLBK wanted to hire her and she also wanted to continue to be a DJ at 
student station WKDI, she took on the name "Cindy Morgan" (from Morgan 
LeFay in the King Arthur stories), which stuck for the rest of her 
career--after graduating Ms. Morgan was a weather girl at the Rockford CBS 
affil then known as WCEE and a DJ in Chicago at WSDM and started doing auto 
show modeling, which led her to commercials and to the west coast and the 
career-making role in "Caddyshack," and a couple of years later she had a 
lead role in "Tron," guaranteeing her steady money from SF fest appearances 
for years--on TV, she was a co-star on "Bring 'em Back Alive" and "Falcon 
Crest" and off camera did charity work for veterans--Ms. Morgan was found 
dead in her Florida home on Dec. 30:

https://www.thewrap.com/cindy-morgan-caddyshack-and-tron-star-dies-at-69/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: Owner of most major market radio stations files for bankruptcy

[Adam Bowie]

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 7:50 PM PGage  wrote:

> “Washes its face”? Is that a Britishism I have not run into yet on Britbox
> or Acorn?
>
>
I hadn't thought of it as colloquial British, but checking references, it
seems they're mostly UK. Basically it means that it covers its costs but
not much more - i.e it breaks even. I've no idea what the phrases etymology
might be. You tend to hear it in the commercial world.

The best I could find was this from 1953 in a Scottish dictionary:
"There'll be nae profits. The book'll be lucky if it washes its face."



> I can’t recall the last time I listened to the radio - probably if there
> was a breaking news story and I was in car for a long trip. I used to be
> able to say I listened to the radio a lot for SF Giants games (baseball is
> a sport that is as good or better on radio than television), but now I do
> access all my baseball on demand thru streaming TV. I bought a new car this
> year which came with a free six month subscription to Sirius (just expiring
> this week) and I never used it once.
>
> I am Spotify or Audiobooks when driving or walking. I listen to a lot of
> music while working (I have a lot of writing to do), all Spotify.
>
> But I guess someone is listening to the radio…
>
>
Beware the sample size of one :-)

According to Edison Research, who produce a regular "Share of Ear" survey
on all forms of audio consumption in the US, 36% of time spent listening to
any audio, is to AM/FM radio. Streaming music accounts for 18%, using
YouTube for music is 14% and podcasts account for 10%. Audiobooks are just
3%.

https://www.edisonresearch.com/solutions/share-of-ear/

It's kind of like Yellowstone having way more viewers than Succession. But
I only watch(ed) the latter, and it got vastly more coverage in the things
I read than the former.

I also like to check out the UK TV ratings body, BARB, who do measure
several of the big streamers in the UK alongside all the broadcasters in
their weekly Top 50. It obviously varies by week, but hardly any Netflix,
Amazon or Disney shows appear on the list. In the most recent data, running
up to Christmas Eve, just a single Netflix film (the Chicken Run sequel,
which is essentially a British animated film) made it into the top 50
shows... at #50. That said, it was also the sole streaming show/film the
previous week when it premiered at #17. But my point is that even the
biggest Netflix/Amazon/Disney shows barely make an impact compared with
those on linear broadcast TV.

https://www.barb.co.uk/viewing-data/most-viewed-programmes/

I think it's enlightening that although Netflix recently offered up their
18,000 row data dump of viewership, it did not break out the data by
country. That would really show just how few people are watching most of
their shows.



Adam

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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: Owner of most major market radio stations files for bankruptcy

[PGage]

“Washes its face”? Is that a Britishism I have not run into yet on Britbox
or Acorn?

I can’t recall the last time I listened to the radio - probably if there
was a breaking news story and I was in car for a long trip. I used to be
able to say I listened to the radio a lot for SF Giants games (baseball is
a sport that is as good or better on radio than television), but now I do
access all my baseball on demand thru streaming TV. I bought a new car this
year which came with a free six month subscription to Sirius (just expiring
this week) and I never used it once.

I am Spotify or Audiobooks when driving or walking. I listen to a lot of
music while working (I have a lot of writing to do), all Spotify.

But I guess someone is listening to the radio…

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On Sun, 7 Jan 2024 at 11:39 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> US radio is still insanely profitable, turning over around $13bn in
> revenues in 2023. For context, US podcast revenues were forecast to be
> about $2bn.
>
> The main problem in recent years has been insane debt levels caused by all
> the consolidation that just couldn't be serviced. Everyone biting off way
> more than they could chew. The underlying business of radio is still
> perfectly viable commercially.
>
> So although broadcast radio may be in long-term decline, like broadcast
> television, and owners might indeed be playing the same six songs over and
> over, but they still have audiences... That's a creative issue.
>
> Also, a bit like streaming TV services mostly just lose money, Spotify
> only just about washes its face. We seem to have moved into an era where
> the new services replacing the old, are not remotely as profitable as the
> outgoing business models...
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:12 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Turns out listeners might want to hear more than the same six songs plays
>> over and over. Go figure.
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/audacy-kroq-wfan-files-bankruptcy-1235781045/amp/
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OT: Owner of most major market radio stations files for bankruptcy

[Adam Bowie]

US radio is still insanely profitable, turning over around $13bn in
revenues in 2023. For context, US podcast revenues were forecast to be
about $2bn.

The main problem in recent years has been insane debt levels caused by all
the consolidation that just couldn't be serviced. Everyone biting off way
more than they could chew. The underlying business of radio is still
perfectly viable commercially.

So although broadcast radio may be in long-term decline, like broadcast
television, and owners might indeed be playing the same six songs over and
over, but they still have audiences... That's a creative issue.

Also, a bit like streaming TV services mostly just lose money, Spotify only
just about washes its face. We seem to have moved into an era where the new
services replacing the old, are not remotely as profitable as the outgoing
business models...



Adam

On Sun, Jan 7, 2024 at 6:12 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Turns out listeners might want to hear more than the same six songs plays
> over and over. Go figure.
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/audacy-kroq-wfan-files-bankruptcy-1235781045/amp/
>
>
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[TV orNotTV] OT: Owner of most major market radio stations files for bankruptcy

[Kevin M.]

Turns out listeners might want to hear more than the same six songs plays
over and over. Go figure.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/audacy-kroq-wfan-files-bankruptcy-1235781045/amp/


Kevin M. (RPCV)

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Thread on the 60s spiderman animation

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Sure that wasn't "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends"? B

Kevin M, to Doug Eastick, Jan 6th:

Was this the series where Spidey used to hug/wrestle his enemies due to 
restrictions on cartoon violence?40mail.gmail.com 

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