Re: [TV orNotTV] What Tom Selleck did in the final season of Magnum TOS

[Tom Wolper]

Just like in the original show.

On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 8:50 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> i just realised that I don't think I watched the last 1-2 seasons of
> Magnum PI, as I was out of town in University and doing other important
> things.
>
> On a related note, I have 5 seasons of new Magnum PI on my plex server
> that I don't think I've watched much of either.I seem to recall reading
> that around season 4 or 5 that Magnum and Higgins get it on.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:07 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> After Uni refused to do it directly, he paid his crew $1000-a-head
>> bonuses... then he anonymously sent a copy of a fake scene -- in which
>> Magnum was killed -- to a tabloid, which published it without even
>> bothering to verify... for these and other juicy details, pre-order *You
>> Never Know: A Memoir*, cowritten with onetime FNC analyst and NY
>> columnist Ellis Henican...
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tom-selleck-magnum-pi-crew-1000-bonuses-1235896054/
>>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Breaking News: Beauty Pageants harmful to mental health

[Tom Wolper]

Miss Teen USA resigned two days later.

https://www.salon.com/2024/05/09/scandal-in-the-pageant-world-why-miss-usa-and-miss-teen-usa-both-quit/


On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:22 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> In other news, water is wet.
>
>
> https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/former-miss-usa-2023-alleges-toxic-work-environment/story?id=110103496
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Satire is What Closes on a Saturday NIght'

[Tom Wolper]

The article is much deeper than the Kaufman quip and I recommend reading
it. The issue of temporal distance is that things change more quickly than
we can respond to, let alone satirize. The first major battles involving
the US military in Vietnam were in 1965 and the satire we remember comes
from 1968 and later. Under the best of circumstances it’s tough to get good
material out and with the rapid rate of change in the political world and
foreign affairs it’s nearly impossible.

On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 10:18 AM Mark Jeffries 
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> Back in 1975, a more rebellious Lorne Michaels and the like-minded Boomers
> who were creating "Saturday Night Live" had to be aware of George S.
> Kaufman's famous quip as they were preparing for what they were hoping as
> their new home for satire on television--49 years later, Kaufman may be the
> winner--in an interview with Chicago Tribune film critic MIchael Phillips,
> Anne Libera of The Second City says that satire is not working right now
> because it requires pain and "psychic or temporal distance," and we may
> have the pain right now, but we sure as hell don't have the distance:
>
>
> https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/05/08/column-about-that-snl-student-protest-sketch-and-a-lousy-time-for-political-satire/?share=thaecrmoht5pfhnoo0f0
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Brady Roast Crowd Boos Kim Kardashian, Netflix Cuts It Out

[Tom Wolper]

This reminds me of why I hate roasts.

On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 1:05 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Last Sunday night on the streamer's live telecast of "The Greatest Roast
> of All  Time:  Tom Brady," the reality TV star attempted to stand on the
> dais and do her part of the roast, but the audience greeted her with a
> chorus of boos, but she did finish. If you plan to watch the show on the
> streamer, you will find out that the audience reception has been edited
> out. However, Netflix leave in a very tasteless joke about her from one
> Tony Hinchcliffe which I will not repeat here, but is in the below ink:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/kim-kardashian-booed-edited-out-tom-brady-roast-1235893074/
>
> From all indications, you may want to just watch Ilana Glazer's stint at
> the dais and leave the rest of the show alone.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Disney+/Hulu/max bundle to become available this summer

[Tom Wolper]

I guess the streamers have entered the “Become Netflix or die” phase of the
business.

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 6:31 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> *Die Maus* and the WBD apparently agreed to this today... and will
> announce details at their respective upfronts in the coming weeks...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/max-disney-plus-hulu-streaming-bundle-1235894074/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Stewart Not on 'TDS' Tonight

[Tom Wolper]

Stewart also did a pre-taped bit on Jimmy Kimmel’s show.

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 12:45 PM Marti Lawrence 
wrote:

> I enjoy Jon Stewart as host much more than any of the other people who do
> that job, so I have been recording only the episodes he hosts.
> I appreciate the update, and will adjust the DVR , removing the Monday
> episode and adding the Thursday one.
> Thank you.
>
> ~Marti
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 10:56:46 AM UTC-5 Mark Jeffries wrote:
>
>> Due to him in LA doing John Mulaney's live Netflix show at 10 p.m. ET,
>> Jordan Klepper will be hosting tonight and Stewart's weekly appearance to
>> "both sides" the election will be on Thursday:
>>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jon-stewart-will-miss-monday-daily-show-return-thursday-1235890869/#recipient_hashed=04cc8432e89af1614e2b95d666f830a827568c45d7e9abbbd46ed84bf99ddfc7_salt=f8f1afe78c2d990c75c3121d1fa116315cbb1eda09b65c89df333468970da653
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Unfrosted

[Tom Wolper]

>From what I could tell from the promotional materials it is supposed to be
a comedy revue rather than a story.

On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 12:22 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I do remember laughing at moments, but I just finished it and now I can’t
> tell you what I laughed at. If there was a script, it was not readily
> apparent. The movie should’ve been named “Who is that? They look familiar,
> but I can’t remember their name.” Honestly the constant cameos distracted
> me from the “plot” (sarcastic air quotes)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Pimp My Ride" making a comeback

[Tom Wolper]

I assume insurance premiums also go sky high when a car gets expensive
modifications like that. The car owners probably get rid of them as quickly
as possible.

On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 10:24 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> One of the car-centric YouTube channels I watch from time to time found
> one of the vehicles that had been “pimped” by MTV back in the day. While
> they did get it running again, pimping (or any sort of extensive
> customization) makes long-term maintenance on a vehicle complicated and
> repairs prohibitively expensive. But it did look better pimped, so I
> suppose if that all that matters…
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, May 4, 2024 at 6:50 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe. My money's on Paramount+ getting it directly.
>>
>> https://www.instagram.com/p/C6bnzjhxvxL/?utm_source=ig_embed_rid=f683a7ca-b503-4f52-b1f7-eca2dec1b482
>>  (hat-tip Chris Burch
>> 
>> [link], NJ Newhouse)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Ozzy Osbourne receives stem cell treatments

[Tom Wolper]

At this point a 75 year old who doesn’t have health problems would be news.

On Fri, May 3, 2024 at 5:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The 75-year-old rocker, who retired from the road after spinal injuries,
> revealed on his SiriusXM talk show that the treatments helped with a tumour
> they'd discovered during one of the spinal surgeries...
>
> https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/05/02/ozzy-osbourne-stem-cell-treatments-health-problems/?share=2pmzrrmem0l2p0r5olsn
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[TV orNotTV] Monday Night Football is going back to cable

[Tom Wolper]

After putting all of the Monday NFL games on ABC last season, Disney is
going back to the prior schedule with some simulcasts.

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2024/05/abc-monday-night-football-simulcasts-reduction-this-season/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Surprise! CBS Fall Annotated

[Tom Wolper]

I saw the NCIS: Origins entry and thought that CBS had such a hit with
Young Sheldon that they’re trying Young NCIS or NCIS Babies.

If FX or HBO was going to make a new Matlock with Kathy Bates in the lead
I’d give it a try. She can carry a show like that. At CBS it won’t have any
edge or spark.

On Thu, May 2, 2024 at 6:24 PM Joe Hass  wrote:

> BuzzerBlog has Drew in the center square, with no identification of who's
> hosting.
>
>
> https://www.buzzerblog.com/2024/05/02/cbs-announces-revival-of-hollywood-squares/
>
> On Thu, May 2, 2024, 17:12 Mark Jeffries  wrote:
>
>> It seemed to me that I had heard had Paramount was not going to do an
>> upfront presentation this year--and so CBS' fall lineup is out, with shows
>> delayed from last year by the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes and mostly familiar
>> IP--this is according to The Wrap, all times ET, new shows ALL CAPS:
>>
>> MONDAY
>> 8:00 p.m. – The Neighborhood
>> 8:30 p.m.  -  POPPA'S HOUSE--As we said last year, "Two generations of
>> Damon Wayans, with Damon pere as a radio talk show host and Damon fils as
>> his somewhat grounded son, who wants to achieve his dreams and responsibly
>> raise his family.  Yeah, it's a multi-cam sitcom." Damon Jr. will have two
>> shows in the CBS lineup with "Raid the Cage" returning.
>> 9:00 p.m. – NCIS
>> 10:00 p.m. – NCIS: ORIGINS--Austin Stowell plays Leroy Jethro Gibbs as he
>> learns how to be an NCIS agent. Mark Harmon is narrating.
>>
>> DICK WOLF TUESDAY
>> 8:00 p.m. – FBI
>> 9:00 p.m. – FBI: International
>> 10:00 p.m. – FBI: Most Wanted
>>
>> WEDNESDAY FALL
>> 8:00-9:30 p.m. – Survivor
>> 9:30 p.m.-11:00 p.m. – THE SUMMIT--This Americanization of an Australian
>> series (on the Nine Network, not Paramount's Network 10) where a cash
>> jackpot is divided into the backpacks of a group of contestants as they are
>> sent to climb a mountain in New Zealand. Whoever makes it to the top gets
>> the money. From the French format factory Banijay.
>> WEDNESDAY WINTER
>> 8:00 p.m. – The Price is Right at Night
>> 9:00 p.m. – Raid the Cage (no indication if they're still going to tape
>> on the set of the Mexican version again or move the show onto the Sony lot)
>> 10:00 p.m. – HOLLYWOOD SQUARES--Hello stars! This is only the second
>> prime time network airing of the evergreen game show now owned by CBS (it
>> ran for nine months in 1968 on its original network NBC). Sitting in the
>> chair where Peter Marshall and Tom Bergeron have sat (and yes, John
>> Davidson and Bowser) will be--Drew Barrymore. Hoo boy (no regular panelists
>> announced).
>> WEDNESDAY SPRING
>> 8:00-9:30 p.m. – Survivor
>> 9:30 p.m.-11:00 p.m. – The Amazing Race (only cycle for the year)
>>
>> THURSDAY
>> 8:00 p.m. – GEORGIE & MANDY'S FIRST MARRIAGE--This "Young Sheldon"
>> spinoff is what it says on the tin--the story of the marriage of Sheldon's
>> friends (played by Montana Jordan and Emily Osment). In the "Big Bang
>> Theory" finale, Sheldon revealed that they were divorced, although all
>> hopes for the series are that it will be after five seasons and 100
>> episodes (if that is still a thing). From Chuck Lorre and Warners and it's
>> a multi-cam ("Young Sheldon" was one-camera, no laugh track, even if some
>> detractors on social media claimed that it did have a laugh track).
>> 8:30 p.m. – Ghosts
>> 9:00 p.m. – MATLOCK--As we said last year, "Just replace Andy Griffith
>> with Kathy Bates and you get the idea."
>> 10:00 p.m. – Elsbeth
>>
>> FRIDAY FALL
>> 8:00 p.m. – S.W.A.T.
>> 9:00 p.m. – Fire Country
>> 10:00 p.m. – Blue Bloods (the end--sorry Grandma)
>> FRIDAY SPRING
>> 8:00 p.m. – NCIS: Sydney
>> 9:00 p.m. – Fire Country
>> 10:00 p.m. – S.W.A.T.
>>
>> SATURDAY:
>> 8-10 - Reruns
>> 10 p.m. - 48 Hours
>>
>> SUNDAY
>> 7:00 p.m. – 60 Minutes
>> 8:00 p.m. – Tracker (how many more jokes will Colbert make about this
>> show?)
>> 9:00 p.m. – The Equalizer
>> 10:00 p.m. – WATSON--as in Sherlock Holmes' buddy. The producers of
>> "Elementary," the CBS update of Sherlock Holmes, present Watson (played by
>> Morris Chestnut) as a contemporary doctor who meets up with Moriarity, who
>> had killed Holmes a year before the beginning of the series, and you get
>> the idea.
>>
>> And we're off and running.  Do you have it in you, Brad?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Dan Schneider denies toxic-workplace claims as docu on Nick situation airs

[Tom Wolper]

This is failed crisis management. Schneider had to have been approached by
the makers of the series and he chose not to participate or defend himself
that way, which is his right. When the series came out and made him look
bad he just denied it all. Now he filed a lawsuit, which if it goes to
trial, means he can be on the stand under oath while WBD lawyers ask him
what he did while child sex abuse was happening in a workplace he managed.

On Wed, May 1, 2024 at 10:34 PM Dino Alexander  wrote:

> Considering he hired the guy who soft-balled through the interview, I’d
> hardly call it an apology, but… yeah.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 1, 2024, at 6:21 PM, Kevin M.  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Arvid’s buddy is dying the documentary producers … he doesn’t have a leg
> to stand on. He already apologized for offenses… you can’t apologize for
> something, then sue stating you didn’t do the something. He’s gonna get
> laughed out of court.
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/dan-schneider-sues-defamation-over-quiet-on-set-docuseries-1235888146/
>
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 4:04 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> It wasn't just at Nick, said Mayim Bialik, on her podcast...
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2024/04/mayim-bialik-quiet-on-set-claims-abuse-nickelodeon-1235887779/
>>  (link,
>> with 'toob of the episode)
>> B
>>
>> Kevin M, April 9th:
>>
>> We sat through the new episode today… it wasn’t an episode; it was a few
>> interviews with people. The first four episodes deserved to stand-alone.
>> This week’s episode didn’t feature in depth journalism. To me, the logical
>> next step was to confront the people who would go on to hire the convicted
>> child sex predator on more TV shows AFTER he was convicted. Because that’s
>> the story… the deeply flawed system that not only allows criminal behavior
>> but endorses it. Instead this week’s episode was just to invite back people
>> previously interviewed to discuss the “impact” of the documentary and how
>> it was received on social media. They’d have been better off just letting
>> the documentary speak for (and stand for) itself.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] "Wrexham" guys investing in another club in another league

[Tom Wolper]

Of course there will be another reality show. I don’t do deep dives into
sports business journalism. Still I’d like to know how the revenue from
Welcome to Wrexham compares to the operating costs of running the club. The
team is moving up levels of English football because the owners were
willing to spend more for their players and manager than the teams around
them and that’s because they have the Hulu revenue to offset higher costs.
They’ll have to do that with the Mexican team as well.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2024 at 6:26 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Eva Longoria, a partner in Mexican futbol side Necaxa, has apparently
> talked Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney into buying a stake... no clues as
> to whether, say, another reality show will ensue...
>
> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/ryan-reynolds-rob-mcelhenney-club-necaxa-eva-longoria-wrexham-1235985035/
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over reversing Weinstein convictoin

[Tom Wolper]

Retrying him will be a DA’s or AG’s call and they’re elected offices. If
there’s no blowback to declining to prosecute the case again they might let
it go.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:54 PM David Risner  wrote:

> My big question is, why spend all that money retrying him when he's
> already going to die in prison for other convictions?
>
> Let him rot away like the worm he is and don't let him have any more
> control over anyone else's lives.
>
>
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> *From:* PGage 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2024 4:49 PM
> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over
> reversing Weinstein convictoin
>
> I agree with the Court of Appeals, but I don’t think the fault lies with
> the NY Prosecutors, but the trial judge. Even then, it was a close call,
> and the Appeals court was closely and bitterly divided. I do think when
> things are that close the decision should be in favor of the defendant.
>
> Weinstein will still do his time in California, even if they decide not to
> retry him in NY.
>
>
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 2:53 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Could somebody get the NY prosecutors a refresher course in proper
>> courtroom procedure? Either that or make them wear shirts in public with
>> the words “I help sexual predators get out of prison” printed on them?
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 2:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Front page" at V... the panel ruled 4-3 for Weinstein, finding that the
>>> NY judge prejudicially allowed women to testify about allegations that
>>> weren't in the original case (he remains jailed, as an appeal is
>>> planned)... the issue of "prior bad acts" also led to the overturning of
>>> Bill Cosby's case, tho on different grounds...
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-rape-conviction-overturned-new-york-1235981890/
>>>  (link)
>>> Next stop, California, where the defense plans to make a comparable case
>>> for tossing that conviction...
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-prison-overturned-conviction-explained-1235982257/
>>>  (link)
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:54:16 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly four years after Harvey Weinstein was convicted
 of rape
 
  and
 sent to prison, New York’s highest court appeared torn at oral arguments
 Wednesday about potentially overturning the landmark #MeToo-era verdict.

 Weinstein’s lawyers urged the state’s Court of Appeals to dismiss the
 disgraced movie mogul’s 2020 conviction, arguing that the trial judge,
 James Burke, trampled his right to a fair trial
 
  with
 pro-prosecution rulings that turned the trial into “1-800-GET-HARVEY.”

 “It was his character that was on trial. It wasn’t the evidence that
 was on trial,” Weinstein's lawyer Arthur Aidala told the seven-member court
 in Albany.

 Weinstein, 71, was convicted of a criminal sex act for forcibly
 performing oral sex on a TV and film production assistant in 2006 and rape
 in the third degree for an attack on an aspiring actress in 2013. He was 
 sentenced
 to 23 years in prison
 .
 Last year, he was convicted in Los Angeles
 
  of
 another rape and sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison
 
 .

 A lawyer for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which prosecuted
 Weinstein’s New York case, told the appeals court that Burke's rulings were
 proper and the conviction should stand.

 Weinstein’s lawyers want a new trial, but only for the criminal sexual
 act charge. They argue the rape charge can’t be retried because it involves
 alleged conduct outside the statute of limitations. Reversing the verdict
 would reopen a painful chapter in America’s reckoning with sexual
 misconduct by powerful figures. The court is unlikely to rule immediately.

 If the Court of Appeals were to rule in Weinstein's favor, he would
 remain locked up because of his California conviction. Weinstein did not
 attend the arguments but was said to be monitoring a livestream from the
 state prison where he is incarcerated, Mohawk Correctional Facility, about
 100 miles (160 kilometers) 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Another Hollywood catfight

[Tom Wolper]

What this brings in mind to me is America Ferrara’s speech in Barbie. What
did Sydney Sweeney ever do to get called out like this in public?

On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 4:37 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> Sydney Sweeney is very much up and coming at the moment. Her role on
> Euphoria was fine, although there are problems throughout that show that
> the young cast aren't responsible for. And it must be said that most of the
> leads are now seeing their careers on the rise.
>
> She was great as a petulant daughter in S1 of The White Lotus, but it
> would be easy to think she was playing herself which I'm not sure was the
> case. I would concur that she was very strong in the small film Reality.
>
> I've not seen her supporting role in Madame Web, her hit romcom from
> earlier in the year or her recent horror film, Immaculate. But she's
> obviously near the top of a lot of people's cast lists right now.
>
> Whether she's always making the right choices, and whether her recent
> films have been any good or not, I don't know, but there's no doubt that
> comment was crass and unwarranted. You can say a film is bad, but 'not
> pretty and can't act' is pretty abhorrent.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 7:51 PM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
>> I think Sweeney did a really nice job in the movie* Reality*.  It's good
>> to see her trying to stretch her acting chops by taking on a role so
>> obviously outside her comfort zone.
>>
>> She's obviously a very attractive young lady, but I think her best
>> feature is her smile; it makes her onscreen appearance truly appealing.
>>
>> Other than *Reality*, I think I've only seen her on SNL and on NBC
>> promoting SNL.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 2:38 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> I had to look up Sydney Sweeney to see who she is and what she looks
>>> like. I have heard of Euphoria but never seen it, and never heard of the
>>> film in question. Was she in S1 of White Lotus?
>>>
>>> I won’t engage in the crass practice of rating the attractiveness of
>>> actresses in their mid 20s, but she is obviously not “not attractive”, and
>>> anyone who looks at her and pretends not to understand why she would be
>>> appealing to straight men is being intentionally obtuse. She may not be a
>>> great actress, but that is hardly a unique characteristic of stars of most
>>> Rom Coms I am familiar with.
>>>
>>> Seems like a random drive-by…
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 at 10:01 AM Kevin M. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Agreed. I get, for instance, that Taylor Swift is currently an “it
 girl” too, but I personally don’t understand the appeal. However, just
 because she’s not my cup of tea doesn’t mean I think she’s either ugly or
 talentless; I’m just not buying what she’s selling.

 I personally thought Buffy the Vampire Slayer (both the movie and the
 series) was contrived, poorly produced, and barely acted, but that doesn’t
 mean I think Carol Baum is ugly or talentless. But she does seem to have an
 embittered disposition, and I’m glad she was not one of my professors in
 college because I don’t believe she has anything to teach me.

 Kevin M. (RPCV)


 On Fri, Apr 19, 2024 at 9:38 AM M-D November 
 wrote:

> I get that it's cool to go after the 'it-girl' (it-person?), and
> obviously personal preference is a thing (I, for instance, don't 
> understand
> Taylor Swift's appeal), and maybe the criticism against "Anyone But You" 
> is
> valid, but I (as a red-blooded heterosexual male) would be hard pressed to
> call Sydney Sweeney unattractive.
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2024 at 10:47:01 PM UTC-4 Kevin M. wrote:
>
>> Sydney Sweeney gets called ugly and talentless by Buffy the Vampire
>> Slayer producer Carol Baum during an interview with NY Times critic Janet
>> Maslin. Maslin doubles down on social media by siding with Baum.
>>
>>
>> https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-68844159.amp
>>
>> Meow.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: CBS Announces First New Daytime Soap in 25 Years

[Tom Wolper]

>From what I saw, it’s replacing The Talk.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 9:27 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> A pee-arr spotted by The Futon Critic announced the pickup, without any
> other details... B
>
> Mark Jeffries, March 8th:
>
> The publicity has been about the fact that "The Gates" is the first
> daytime soap centered around Black characters since the 1989 NBC show
> "Generations," but more importantly, it is the first new daytime  soap
> since NBC premiered the rather gonzo "Passions" in 1999 (it went off in
> 2008).  Even more importantly, it is a return to one of the two longtime
> pillars of daytime television (along with game shows) that have been
> reduced in recent years, with only three remaining on the networks (four if
> you count "Days of Our Lives" streaming on Peacock).  And it is the first
> new show in years from Procter & Gamble Productions, once the power
> producer of daytime soaps ("As the World Turns," "Guiding LIght," "Edge of
> Night," etc., etc.), but not active since "World" went off in 2010:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/cbs-gates-black-daytime-soap-opera-1235844567/#recipient_hashed=04cc8432e89af1614e2b95d666f830a827568c45d7e9abbbd46ed84bf99ddfc7_salt=f8f1afe78c2d990c75c3121d1fa116315cbb1eda09b65c89df333468970da653
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> No indication of premiere date or what "The Gates" will be replacing, but
> if I were working on "The Talk," I'd be worried about now.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] CBS Fs Up Billy Joel Concert

[Tom Wolper]

CBS will reair the concert in its entirety on Friday at 9PM

On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 9:35 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The 'special guests' were known ahead of time, which makes me believe it
> was previously recorded.
>
> Hollywood Reporter says it was (or would be, based on the date of the
> article) recorded at the March 28th show -
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/billy-joel-100-msg-concert-cbs-1235821721/
>
> If you have the right combination of connection and a lot of disposable
> income, Joel's last MSG show of this monthly residency is in July.
>
> Best,
> David
>
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2024 at 06:08:40 AM PDT, Joe Hass <
> hassgoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Piano Man is usually the pre-encore finale. And I don't think it was live:
> IIRC, it was recorded a couple weeks ago.
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024, 06:46 Jon Delfin  wrote:
>
> was Piano Man the finale?
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 7:44 AM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
> The much -hyped live telecast of Joel's 100th Madison Square Garden gig
> had been delayed by Masters coverage overrun (CBS has no choice but to show
> those old white racist fossils who run the Augusta National Golf Club
> putting the green jacket on the winner) and just as Joel was in the middle
> of "Piano Man" at 11 p.m., the plug gets pulled in the Eastern and Central
> time zones for local news--Oops!:
>
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cbs-pulls-plug-billy-joel-064335651.html?guccounter=1_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8_referrer_sig=AQAAAIszW4dTLyfoHU8d5ZwvEbhcC_-faJrOSStGI1UnOQcJdFHCDq74Hk6zupabCTIPhV4LDiI-vvR3OJOMBtA_fxMmvwJG7VaSZ9iW0YHSiAC-81xP1szJdMZ2Hn5CKLlVM3LveHSiCaCh_MNL2nfJai7UpKO47oAerzKYJAN-VzOS
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> Some affiliates either apologized on-air or on social media for the
> error--the Mountain and Pacific time zones did get the concert in full and
> you can stream it on Paramount+.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Golden Bachelor, "winner" engaged, to wed Jan 4th 2024

[Tom Wolper]

Do you think it would be bad taste for me to ask for my wedding present
back?

On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 12:50 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Gee, I thought they’d go the distance.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 5:19 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The union only lasted a few weeks. They went on GMA to announce their
>> split.
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/golden-bachelor-divorce-1235872921/
>>  (link)
>> B
>>
>> Moi, Jan 3rd 2024:
>>
>> Meet the officiant for the wedding, from the Philly burbs... passing
>> resemblance to another well-known reality star...
>>
>> https://www.mcall.com/2024/01/03/delaware-countys-susan-noles-a-former-contestant-will-officiate-the-golden-bachelor-wedding-on-abc/
>>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] True Detective 4 [Was Quickie Review: Monsieur Spade]

[Tom Wolper]

I started watching it back in January and gave up after a few episodes. I
found that the series is all about creepy vibes and they had no intention
of making a tight, satisfying mystery. When I found I didn’t care who done
it or whether they would figure it out, I bailed. I spent a number of
decades so sensitive to the horror genre that I would immediately turn off
any show or movie that used horror elements. I’ve watched enough movies in
the last couple of years, including some horror movies, that I’ve become
much less sensitive. When horror scenes popped up in TD I wasn’t repelled
but I didn’t feel they added to the mystery, they just made for more creepy
vibes.

On Sun, Apr 14, 2024 at 10:51 AM PGage  wrote:

> Just finished TD4, which I was only able to do through sheer stubbornness
> and accessing my deep streak of ICD completism.
>
> I have a high tolerance for the baked in weaknesses of this series, but
> season 4 seemed to be intentionally trying to be bad so hard it was just
> insulting and obnoxious. It does get somewhat less bad in the last few
> episodes,  it is unable to recover from the accumulated weight of its
> badness overall.
>
> I was shocked after to read that this season is highly regarded by critics
> and the public. WTF?
>
> I don’t dislike Jodie Foster, who can be good to very good, and I thought
> was the only redeeming part of the otherwise awful “Nyad”. But, while not
> the weakest link, she was part of the problem here. For me, prototypical of
> the shows weaknesses was her “Ask the Question/Wrong Question” schtick.
> After the first episode, my question, every time she said that, screamed at
> the top of my voice:  “Why is this show so bad?”
>
>
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 at 1:30 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> On the other hand, I found so much to dislike in the reincarnation of
>> "True Detective" that I won't be back. Too many unpleasant characters,
>> amateurish acting (I'm lookin' at you, Kali Reis), the horror-movie tropes,
>> and an overall feel of trying too hard were all turnoffs.
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

[Tom Wolper]

There’s no reason to try and relitigate the case. It stands, and is
meaningful, that in the almost 30 years after the case no exonerating
evidence or even an alternate theory of how the murders happened.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:17 PM PGage  wrote:

> Well, the Civil Jury found him liable for the deaths.
>
> But, to my point, that jury was quite different than the LA criminal jury.
> The criminal jury knew things about the LAPD that made the accusations of
> planting evidence and covering up even the most extreme police wrongdoing
> reasonable, though not necessarily true.
>
> Kevin is not a legal expert, but he is an expert on the OJ trial.
>
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>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 7:08 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> A civil jury found he caused the deaths.
>> Who is the legal expert?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 6:59 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> From Prostate Cancer.
>>>
>>> We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up
>>> or draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.
>>>
>>> I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
>>> evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
>>> guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
>>> it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
>>> should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
>>> Simpson’s lawyers reasonable
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9
>>>
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Women's NCAA title game outdraws the men's championship with an average of 18.9 million viewers

[Tom Wolper]

The women’s game had Caitlin Clark, who’s become a household name after she
set a new scoring record, and South Carolina which was undefeated. The
men’s game didn’t have anything to draw people who weren’t committed to
watch.

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> That deal still has eight years left, and that network gets to do half the
> remaining ones. B
>
> Steve Timko, April 9th:
>
>
> https://apnews.com/article/march-madness-ratings-iowa-clark-b592435cc286c75a7ac9278c97326ad8
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> The men were on cable. I don't think that helped
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Longtime ESPN Exec Leaves After Almost 40 Years

[Tom Wolper]

I don’t think it’s kissing his ass as much as not sending word around the
building that hiring him was a mistake.

On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 1:50 PM PGage  wrote:

> If the new world of ESPN requires kissing Pat McAfee’s ass then Norby is
> well out.
>
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> On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 at 10:01 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
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>> In a rapidly shifting media environment 40 years of experience isn’t an
>> immediate asset. Williamson thrived when the ESPN economic model was to
>> make people who never watched the channel pay for it as part of their cable
>> subscription. That bucket of money is going away and when meeting the
>> challenge of a new era, having a senior executive who wants to stay in the
>> past isn’t helpful.
>>
>> The beef with McAfee is typical behavior. Williamson talked shit about
>> McAfee knowing as he’s only new on-air talent, McAfee couldn’t respond. But
>> McAfee decided to call him out publicly by name and the top ESPN management
>> didn’t make McAfee apologize for it. That was the hint to Williamson that
>> his time was up.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 11:42 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Norby Williamson, a 39-year veteran of the Worldwide Leader and head of
>>> "SportsCenter" and events and news coverage, is leaving, supposedly after a
>>> disagreement over long-term strategy with content president Burke Magnus,
>>> although some say that he is leaving over an on-air attack on him by Pat
>>> McAfee, the former football player and occasional pro wrestler whose talk
>>> show  is carried by ESPN--McAfee, who has hosted Aaron Rodgers on many
>>> occasions for him to spout his rightwing anti-vaxxer crap, claimed that
>>> Williamson was trying to "sabotage" his show by lying about his ESPN
>>> ratings:
>>>
>>> https://www.thewrap.com/espn-norby-williamson-exits/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Longtime ESPN Exec Leaves After Almost 40 Years

[Tom Wolper]

In a rapidly shifting media environment 40 years of experience isn’t an
immediate asset. Williamson thrived when the ESPN economic model was to
make people who never watched the channel pay for it as part of their cable
subscription. That bucket of money is going away and when meeting the
challenge of a new era, having a senior executive who wants to stay in the
past isn’t helpful.

The beef with McAfee is typical behavior. Williamson talked shit about
McAfee knowing as he’s only new on-air talent, McAfee couldn’t respond. But
McAfee decided to call him out publicly by name and the top ESPN management
didn’t make McAfee apologize for it. That was the hint to Williamson that
his time was up.

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 11:42 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Norby Williamson, a 39-year veteran of the Worldwide Leader and head of
> "SportsCenter" and events and news coverage, is leaving, supposedly after a
> disagreement over long-term strategy with content president Burke Magnus,
> although some say that he is leaving over an on-air attack on him by Pat
> McAfee, the former football player and occasional pro wrestler whose talk
> show  is carried by ESPN--McAfee, who has hosted Aaron Rodgers on many
> occasions for him to spout his rightwing anti-vaxxer crap, claimed that
> Williamson was trying to "sabotage" his show by lying about his ESPN
> ratings:
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/espn-norby-williamson-exits/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ESPN Streamer to Be on Disney+

[Tom Wolper]

Did Disney decide the problem with streaming is that it’s not confusing
enough?

On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 12:11 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Much as Hulu is now part of Disney+ (with those Quinta Brunson "roll call"
> commercials--"Bear." (Winnie-the-Pooh) "Here." "Not that Bear." (various
> "The Bear" characters) "YES CHEF!"--when the Worldwide Leader's
> full-service streamer starts in the summer of 2025, it will be available on
> Disney+ to Disney Bundle subscribers:
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/espn-streaming-service-disney-plus-1235865743/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] About a not-exactly-ethnic name

[Tom Wolper]

She was different from the rest of the family so she had a different name.
Why does anybody have to overthink it?

On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:58 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In a gift article, expiring tentatively April 10th '24, a discussion from
> the New Jersey Newhouse papers of Meadow Soprano...
>
> https://www.nj.com/entertainment/2024/04/the-one-sopranos-detail-that-never-made-any-sense.html?gift=4230e4e7-f82b-4411-94dc-103de9d816b7
>  (link)
>
> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Origin Story Movie May Be Coming

[Tom Wolper]

The movie is about the lead up to the first episode and the show Berle
wasn’t even in the first season. It’s more likely that the Berle character
is a straw man for comedians of a previous era.

And I await the critical review that says Simmons doesn’t have the penis to
play Milton Berle.

On Sun, Mar 31, 2024 at 8:42 AM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> I'm interested in the fact that they're going to deal with the Milton
> Berle episode--and I wonder if Simmons has the, um, endowment that Berle
> was famed for.
>
> And who's playing Don Pardo?
>
> Mark Jeffries
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 4:53 PM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
>
>> The names I recognized off the top of my head (along with Simmons,
>> Wolfhard, and Batiste): Cooper Hoffman is the son of Philip Seymour Hoffman
>> (and was in "Licorice Pizza"); Rachel Sennott starred in and co-wrote an
>> R-rated comedy called "Bottoms" that I really liked last year; Lamorne
>> Morris was just in the most recent season of "Fargo"; Nicholas Braun has
>> been in a ton of stuff including "Succession"; Kaia Gerber is Cindy
>> Crawford's daughter (and was also in "Bottoms").
>>
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2024, at 2:42 PM, 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is it just my deliberate avoidance of Flavors of the Month, or is the
>> "stacked" cast in the linked article anything -but- "stacked?" Other than
>> Simmons and Wolfhard (whose name I had to look up), has anyone head of any
>> of these people?
>>
>> And, yes, I will watch/see it, and yes, I will hate it.
>>
>> --Dave Sikula
>>
>> On Saturday, March 30, 2024 at 8:42:28 AM UTC-7 Bob Jersey wrote:
>>
>> The project will be scored by already-late-night-legend Jon Batiste, who
>> will also play the series' first musical guest, Billy Preston (he might
>> need... *ahem*... augmentation...)... a recap of other cast is further
>> down the page...
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/snl-1975-jon-batiste-score-billy-preston-jason-reitman-1235861871/
>>  (link)
>> B
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[TV orNotTV] Jeopardy/Chase crossover

[Tom Wolper]

On Friday Victoria Groce, the Queen on The Chase, will be playing Jeopardy
in the invitational tournament. She was on Jeopardy 20 years ago. She said
The Chase hasn’t been renewed but it hasn’t been canceled either.

https://triblive.com/aande/movies-tv/tv-talk-pittsburgher-the-chase-star-back-on-jeopardy-20-years-later-ptl-turns-20/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Pete Davidson and Colin Jost bought an old Staten Island Ferry boat...

[Tom Wolper]

That’s good news for people who go to Staten Island, I guess.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2024 at 12:52 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Along with Paul Italia, proprietor of NY comedy club The Stand and a
> commercial real estate agent/investor, and, reportedly, architect Ron
> Castellano, who presented the pre-reno *John F. Kennedy* at his site...
> the plans, as Castellano told New York mag subsite Curbed, have been to
> have clubs, restaurants, and hotel rooms aboard the vessel, but no pool...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/pete-davidson-colin-jost-staten-island-ferry-34m-traveling-hotel-restaurant-bar-1235859684/
>  (where
> I first saw it)
>
> https://www.curbed.com/article/pete-davidson-colin-jost-staten-island-ferry-architect-interview.html
>  (Q
> with Castellano, has many pictures, but might paywall on contact)
> https://www.scnyc.net/jfk-ferry (a few pix, no more)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Digest for tvornottv@googlegroups.com - 15 updates in 9 topics

[Tom Wolper]

Hollywood, and whatever passed for popular culture at the time, tied
sexiness to over the top glamour. That led to weird binaries like
Ginger/Mary Ann on Gilligans Island and Jennifer/Bailey on WKRP. By any
other standard Dawn Wells and Jan Smithers were drop dead gorgeous. But we
were told the characters should be seen as plain.

On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 5:42 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
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> As someone who was exactly the right age during the original run, I think
> the general consensus was that Emily was right up there with Laura Petrie,
> Samantha Stevens, and 99, and that Bob had married up. They were, at the
> time, one of the few sitcom couples who seemed to have a real attraction to
> each other.
>
> --Dave Sikula
>
> On Saturday, March 23, 2024 at 9:26:14 PM UTC-7 jbelkin wrote:
>
> So, I just finished watching the entire run of the Bob Newhart Show - the
> 1970's were before my time but I'm curious about one thing - how come the
> show doesn't seem to acknowledge that Suzanne PLeshette was gorgeous? Did
> everyone in the 1970's just feel she was not unattractive but some sort of
> run of the mill attractive? I mean, there were a couple eps where she was
> jealous about Bob's old college girlfriends who were apparently super
> attractive (one was shown but others were not), I'm thinking - in that era,
> was Pleshette considered "average" or so she was more relatable to the avg
> viewer?  - also, is there a backstory to Newhart only making cameos
> appearances in a handful of eps in season 5 and 6, was he just bored??
> Curious what you think? Thanks.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Don Lemon to launch new show on X

[Tom Wolper]

I don’t care one way or the other about this kerfuffle but I did see that
Lemon is still going to do his show and post episodes on YouTube, podcast
apps, and Twitter.

https://x.com/donlemon/status/1767948372999299549?s=61=OcJUo4kg3KMRa7DAyOZBvg


On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 4:17 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Getting fired from social media is very on-brand for Don Lemon.
>
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 1:06 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Musk cans Lemon. I couldn't think of anything more clever.
>>
>>
>> https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/13/media/don-lemon-says-elon-deal-canceled/index.html
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, 10:19 AM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> Don Lemon molests collies
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 9:27 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Three shows a week, no other details.
 https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/don-lemon-x-talk-show-cnn-1235866266/
 https://twitter.com/XBusiness/status/1744758555876430038 (links)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Sen. Katie Britt's State of the Union response: Discuss

[Tom Wolper]

I didn’t bother with SNL so I can’t comment on that. Regarding the Sen
Britt response speech:

1. Doing the response to the SOTU is like hosting the Golden Globes. You’re
gonna get roasted no matter how well you do. I’m guessing people aren’t
lining up to do it.

2. The SOTU response is a good opportunity for someone in the party with a
low profile to get in front of a national audience. So the speaker needs to
be someone who has leadership ambitions, but not so much that they
overshadow Trump as they’ll get marginalized for it.

3. The current GOP platform is whatever Trump wants and nobody wants to get
ahead of him so the response speech isn’t going to be about policy or
planks from previous GOP platforms. All that’s left are MAGA vibes.

4. Putting Sen. Britt in a kitchen and talking like a housewife rather than
a legislator is deliberate. Amanda Marcotte explains it better than I ever
could:

https://www.salon.com/2024/03/09/biden-said-oppose-womens-rights--katie-britts-tradwife-response-proved-him-right/

Having seen Adam Kinzinger on talk shows, I think he would have been ideal
for the SOTU response. But today’s GOP let it be known there’s no room for
him there.


On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 5:56 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I wasn't expecting much from the inevitable SNL cold opening, and that's
> exactly what I got.
>
> While it wasn't as bad as I figured it would be, casting ScarJo in the
> part was a major mistake. Between her usual one-note acting and utter
> inability to capture either Britt's vocal quality or cadences or bland
> vacuousness, there wasn't a lot there.
>
> --Dave Sikua
>
> On Saturday, March 9, 2024 at 12:59:31 PM UTC-8 Steve Timko wrote:
>
>> I wanted to comment on Sen. Katie Britt’s response to the president’s
>> State of the Union address.
>>
>> I streamed her rebuttal with the sound on low. So I didn’t really hear it
>> live. But I glanced at it from time to time. My first reaction was,
>> “Putting her in a kitchen makes her look like a housewife, not a senator.”
>>
>> What really stopped me was her creepy smile. She is a successful
>> politician but she can’t produce a decent smile? Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis
>> has the same problem.
>>
>> Afterward, I heard the recap of what she said. And how she said it. The
>> Republicans have known for four years they would be giving the response to
>> the State of the Union and this is what they offer? Especially after
>> previous flubs by Bobby Jindal and Marco Rubio.
>>
>> It’s like someone gave her the assignment to connect with the public and
>> she proved herself incapable of doing that. It’s not that hard. Just speak
>> with genuine emotion. Not the manufactured emotion she stumbled through.
>>
>> We all know the cold open for tonight’s “Saturday Night Live.”
>>
>> There’s a lot of good rebuttals to Britt’s rebuttal, but I like this best:
>>
>> https://www.tiktok.com/@joyreidofficial/video/730653272698154
>>
>> At the risk of being a complete chauvinist, Megyn Kelly is looking
>> totally hot. I suspect there’s some digital manipulation of her image.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/iqxURf4EiKw?si=Q4c_Jud0ceyxu4zt
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Re: [TV orNotTV] TNG episode with "current" reference remains banned in UK and Ireland

[Tom Wolper]

To be clear the state of the BBC, Sky, and RTE archives is so bad that
nobody can confirm it didn’t eventually air. And there doesn’t seem to be
any suppression of streaming the episode in the UK or Ireland.

The more egregious statement is saying Mexican independence is an example
of successful terrorism. The Napoleonic Wars and subsequent pushes for
liberalization against an absolutist Spanish crown weakened Spain enough
that they couldn’t hold on to their empire in Central and South America.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2024 at 3:53 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> "The High Ground" (S3E12), written by Melinda Snodgrass, has Data at one
> point noting an "Irish unification of 2024"... BBC hasn't shown it since an
> ovemight in Sept 2007, and no one checked, at least for this article,
> whether RTE carried it...
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/banned-star-trek-episode-promised-015619693.html
>  (link)
>
> B
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[TV orNotTV] Quick Review: Shogun

[Tom Wolper]

Streaming on Hulu. Take a 1975 white savior adventure based on the 1603
accession of Tokugawa Iyesu to a unified shogunate, remove the Eurocentrism
and mysogyny, get a Japanese cast and crew including advisors to make the
characters talk and look like they are from the period, and this is what
you’ll get. Even though it was filmed in Western Canada, it feels like a
Japanese series. It’s mostly in subtitled Japanese though there’s a dubbed
version available. I’m finding it very enjoyable.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Quickie Review: Constellation

[Tom Wolper]

Samuel Fuller once said, “If you don’t have the audience by the balls
halfway down the first page of the script, go back and rewrite it.”

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 12:58 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Opening scene filled with intense drama and gripping suspense, then the
> next scene has the words “five weeks earlier” on the screen. I switched it
> off. I’m boycotting this sloppy writing. Stop the madness.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fwd: TV news for Feb. 10-16, 2024

[Tom Wolper]

It’s from the Television Critics Association winter ingathering and that’s
why all of these stories are breaking.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 10:30 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> Saw this post on rec.arts.tv, and it was so massive with some others that
> we had not seen here, I thought I'd share it.
>
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Fwd: TV news for Feb. 10-16, 2024
> Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2024 11:35:14 EST
> From: Robin Miller 
> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv
>
>
>
> ABC news
>
>
> ‘General Hospital’ Casts Eva LaRue As Blaze’s Mom  (Feb. 13)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/general-hospital-casts-eva-larue-blaze-mom-1235825210/
>
>
> Disney’s Craig Erwich On Strike Impact, Ending ‘Station 19’ & ‘Good
> Doctor’, Unscripted Shift At 10 PM, ‘Only Murders’ Going To LA & More
> (Feb. 13)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/disney-boss-ending-good-doctor-station-19-strike-impact-1235823004/
>
>
> Katy Perry To Exit ‘American Idol’ After 7 Seasons On ABC  (Feb. 12)
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/katy-perry-exit-american-idol-1235823885/
>
>
> ‘Dancing With The Stars’ Producers On Why “Clickbait” Casting Like Sean
> Spicer, Adrian Peterson & Carole Baskin Has To Be Done (Feb. 10)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/dancing-with-the-stars-producers-clickbait-casting-1235821567/
>
> 
>
> CBS news
>
>
> How ‘Bob [Hearts] Abishola’ Is Working Around Those Budget Cuts To Make
> A Fifth And Final Season  (Feb. 13)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/bob-loves-abishola-final-season-budget-cuts-supporting-cast-1235824521/
>
>
> ‘Young Sheldon’: Why The Decision Was Made To End The Comedy After Seven
> Seasons  (Feb. 13)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/young-sheldon-why-its-ending-seven-seasons-1235824446/
>
> --
>
> CW news
>
>
> The CW Wants To Rival The Broadcast Networks But Brad Schwartz Needs To
> Find His Next Hit First  (Feb. 15)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/the-cw-wants-to-rival-the-broadcast-networks-brad-schwartz-interview-1235827795/
>
>
> The CW Eyes ‘Wild Cards’ Renewal For Season 2  (Feb. 15)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/the-cw-eyes-wild-cards-renewal-season-2-1235827824/
>
>
> ‘All American’, ‘Homecoming’ & ‘Walker’ Will Continue As Long As They
> Perform, Says CW Chief: “It’s No Longer A Financial Question”  (Feb. 15)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/all-american-homecoming-walker-future-cw-1235826286/
>
>
> The CW Picks Up New Drama ‘Sherlock & Daughter’ Starring David Thewlis
> (Feb. 15)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/cw-orders-drama-sherlock-and-daughter-david-thewlis-1235826677/
>
>
> The CW Rebrands ‘FGirl Island’ As ‘Lovers And Liars’  (Feb. 15)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/the-cw-rebrands-fgirl-island-lovers-and-liars-1235826701/
>
>
> ‘All American: Homecoming’ Season 3 Likely To Debut In Summer On The CW;
> ‘Superman & Lois’ Final Season Headed To Fall  (Feb. 15)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/all-american-homecoming-season-3-superman-lois-season-4-release-date-1235826869/
>
>
> When To Expect Return of ‘All American’ & ‘Walker’ Plus Other New Series
> On The CW  (Feb. 15)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/cw-premiere-dates-all-american-walker-new-series-1235826714/
>
>
> ‘Scrabble’ Game Show Picked Up By The CW As ‘Trivial Pursuit’ Moves Up
> The Board  (Feb. 14)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/scrabble-game-show-picked-up-the-cw-trivial-pursuit-1235826307/
>
> --
>
> Fox news
>
> None.
>
> ---
>
> NBC news
>
>
> NBC Reality Chiefs Corie Henson & Rachel Smith On The State Of
> Unscripted: “We’re Buying”  (Feb. 14)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/nbc-reality-chiefs-the-state-of-unscripted-we-are-buying-1235825865/
>
>
> ‘Grosse Pointe Garden Society’ Ordered To Pilot By NBC  (Feb. 14)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/nbc-pilot-order-grosse-pointe-garden-society-jenna-bans-bill-krebs-1235825714/
>
>
> ‘Suits L.A.’ Casts Stephen Amell To Lead NBC Drama Pilot  (Feb. 13)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/suits-l-a-stephen-amell-nbc-drama-pilot-1235824358/
>
> ---
>
> Cable channel news
>
>
> ‘The Hunting Wives’: Brittany Snow Joins Malin Åkerman In Starz Drama
> Series  (Feb. 14)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/brittany-snow-malin-akerman-the-hunting-wives-starz-1235825795/
>
>
> Syfy Picks Up ‘SurrealEstate’ For Third Season; Reveals Return Dates For
> ‘Chucky,’ ‘Reginald The Vampire’ & ‘The Ark’  (Feb. 14)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/syfy-renews-surrealestate-premiere-dates-chucky-reginald-the-vampire-the-ark-1235825167/
>
>
> ‘Tacoma FD’ Canceled At TruTV After 4 Seasons  (Feb. 13)
>
>
> https://deadline.com/2024/02/tacoma-fd-canceled-trutv-no-season-5-1235824630/
>
>
> Sterlin Harjo Noir Drama Starring Ethan Hawke Gets FX Pilot Order  (Feb.
> 13)
>
>
> 

Re: [TV orNotTV] George Santos sues Jimmy Kimmel over use of Cameos

[Tom Wolper]

Kimmel has new shows this week so he’ll have lots of fun with this.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 8:52 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I don’t believe using a fake name on social media (even for-profit social
> media) is a crime. It might violate Cameo’s TOS, but I doubt that could
> even be the basis of a civil lawsuit.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 5:41 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> Kimmel showed several Cameos they requested from Santos under fake names.
>> He said he had more to show but stopped over Santos threatened to sue.
>>
>>
>> https://www.thedailybeast.com/george-santos-sues-jimmy-kimmel-for-pranking-him-on-cameo
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Dukes of Hazzard was racist…

[Tom Wolper]

Do we really believe John Schneider says anything worth paying attention
to? The people who need to jump on this are the country music companies.
The US is currently 41% non-white and the only demographic group that is
overwhelmingly white is old people. If they don’t want to speak out for
inclusivity they will have no future.

On Sat, Feb 17, 2024 at 12:20 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> … and John Schneider is now undeniably racist, too.
>
>
>
> https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=john%20schneider%20beyonce=nws=sh/x/gs/m2/5
>
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Wil Wheaton Attacks David for His 'Today' Show Elmo Assault

[Tom Wolper]

I long for the days when random outrage wouldn’t go viral and we would not
be expected to have opinions about these things.

On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 12:20 PM Joe Hass  wrote:

> M-D: It wound up being debunked.
> https://people.com/homer-continue-strangle-bart-the-simpsons-says-co-creator-exclusive-8400789
>
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:16 AM M-D November  wrote:
>
>> Joe - "times have changed":
>> https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/07/homer-strangle-bart-simpsons
>>
>> Mark - I don't think Boomers give much of a damn about Elmo one way or
>> the other; it's us GEN-Xers that have an undying hatred for Elmo (or, at
>> least, I did until I became a dad and realized that Sesame Workshop knows
>> what the hell they're doing...)
>>
>> On Friday, February 9, 2024 at 12:02:54 PM UTC-5 Joe Hass wrote:
>>
>>> Wheaton's not going to like many episodes of The Simpsons.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 10:55 AM Mark Jeffries 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In a long Facebook post, the "Star Trek:  TNG" star compared Larry
 David's attack on the "Sesame Street" Muppet beloved by present-day
 children but hated by Boomers who grew up with BIg Bird and Bert and Ernie
 when the character and his father appeared on the "Today" show while he was
 waiting to go on to plug "Curb Your Enthusiasm," comparing it to treatment
 Wheaton's father gave him as a child--the response has been predictably
 mixed, with alleged journalist Glenn Greenwald, the former "Democracy Now!"
 regular turned rightwinger among the more negative towards Wheaton:


 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/wil-wheaton-larry-david-elmo-attack-abused-1235819558/

 In case you forgot, the impetus for Elmo's appearance on "Today" was
 his Muskmedia account post where he asked people how they were feeling and
 thousands of people sincerely opened up to the little red-furred Muppet, in
 some cases in great detail.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Tom Wolper]

Hogan was retired when he sued Gawker. Having Musk pay attorney fees to
make a right wing point would mean a long long civil litigation process
that would make Carano unemployable to mainstream studios. Who would hire
an actor who sues the studio for a dispute?

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 7:18 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2024, 3:29 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> And what’s Elon’s track record in these matters? He’s got a dozen other
>> things to keep him distracted. Disney Legal can stay focused.
>>
>
>
>
> I think Musk is trying to help Carano like Peter Thiel helped Hulk Hogan
> in his lawsuit against Gawker. Even if she doesn't prevail she can make it
> as painful as possible
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Tom Wolper]

And what’s Elon’s track record in these matters? He’s got a dozen other
things to keep him distracted. Disney Legal can stay focused.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 6:15 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> But remember, Elon (*yeah, him*) is backing the suit... still, when CNBC
> asked Bob Iger what his thoughts were about it, and he just said "None,"
> and moved on to another topic...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/bob-iger-gina-carano-mandalorian-lawsuit-1235818809/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Tom Wolper, to Mark Jeffries, Feb 6th:
>
> I wouldn’t bet against Disney’s legal department. And if they think
> Carano’s case has any merit they’ll settle and make it go away.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox, WBD, Disney to Team Up for Possible Game-Changing Sports Streaming App

[Tom Wolper]

I think the only way you can get sports fans to pay that level of monthly
prices is to have home games available. I get ESPN+ as part of the Hulu
bundle and I can watch NHL games with every team except my home team. My
friend, who just got rid of his $230 a month cable subscription, was happy
to pay Fubo $75 a month to have access to home team hockey games. I can’t
say that will be the general experience but I feel that the new sports
streaming service is for out of market games only a large mass of sports
fans won’t sign up.

There is a possible synergy which I personally hate. Sports betting
companies have an interest in having as many games as possible available to
their customers and they could subsidize the service to keep retail costs
down. Their presence at sporting events would probably be more obnoxious
than it already is but it would keep the service affordable.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 5:30 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I guess it's all about the maths.
>
> When there were 100m cable homes each paying, say, $7 a month for ESPN
> regardless of whether they watched it or not because it was "part of the
> bundle", ESPN could be both very profitable AND dig deep for sports rights.
>
> To make the same money in a streaming world, they would need all 100m to
> pay that relative bargain $7. But if only 25m sign up, a number that
> might be considered a success, then they'd have to charge $28 a month to
> be as profitable as they were before.
>
> Obviously, there'd actually be a blend of cable and streaming revenues for
> the foreseeable future, as cable subs diminish and streaming subs grow.
>
> But given the next round of the NBA rights are up right now, with the NBA
> looking at a healthy increase in fees, that putative $28 becomes less
> profitable than it was. Now rinse and repeat for TNT and Fox Sports, and
> you get big numbers quickly.
>
> I assume in reality they'll be bundling this service with Max, Disney+,
> Hulu and whatever Fox has (?), to get to $65-70 and, yeah, you have cable
> TV. I suppose it at least comes with only a month-to-month commitment, and
> it'll be packaged to *feel* different to cable, since this is surely aimed
> as much as anything at those who've never even had a cable subscription.
> But I've no doubt that there'll be deals for 12 month subscriptions etc.
>
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Wed, 7 Feb 2024, 04:03 PGage,  wrote:
>
>> From the article:
>>
>> “*Pricing details and a name for the service will be disclosed at a
>> later date, though an individual familiar with the matter told TheWrap that
>> the price point would be cheaper than YouTube TV, which charges $72.99 per
>> month for its basic plan. CNBC
>> 
>>  reported
>> a logical starting point could be $45-$50 per month.”*
>>
>> This only begins to make sense in a world in which ESPN, TNT and ABC are
>> no longer available in linear form. Why would I even think of paying $50 a
>> month for what I can get included for $75 a month, plus the other half of
>> the NFL games, more golf, Olympics, and MLB, plus well,  erything else one
>> currently thinks of as “TV” (News, broadcast networks, local stations,
>> basic cable).
>>
>> The bargain that has always felt like was out there somewhere was cable
>> TV without ESPN and its huge cost for non sports fans. This service implies
>> that the cost of cable TV ( or at least a streamed version of it on YT-TV)
>> without ESPN and TNT is $25/ month. This seems like an even better deal
>> than most non sports fans dreamt of ( plus they still get about half the
>> Sunday NFL games if they want).
>>
>> As a sports fan, I’ll take my cake and eat it too for $25 more per month.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 3:31 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>
>>> The interesting thing here will be to see how much all this costs.
>>> Because I suspect it'll be fairly pricey.
>>>
>>> I can't see it being much less than $50 a month, considering the numbers
>>> floating around for ESPN on its own were around $30-35. I believe that
>>> Bleacher Report is going to be a $9.99 upcost on Max when they start
>>> charging for it.
>>>
>>> The thing is that sports rights are a fixed cost, so there must be lots
>>> of price modelling going on to work out how many people would subscribe at
>>> various prices - x million at $30, y million at $40, z million at $50. But
>>> if the maths don't work, then the price is wrong.
>>>
>>> Would $49.99 be an attractive price to cord cutters? Assuming it's
>>> everything the three players have to offer.
>>>
>>> And any extra channels that get added to the mix will surely drive this
>>> price up. And adding in RSNs would surely be insanely complicated to factor
>>> in.
>>>
>>> By way of comparison, in the UK, if I want Sky Sports channels as a
>>> standalone streaming offer, it costs £34.99 a month ($44.10 tax inclusive).
>>> But that 

Re: [TV orNotTV] Carano Suing Disney, Lucasfilm Over 'Mandalorian' Firing--Musk's Her Sugar Daddy

[Tom Wolper]

I wouldn’t bet against Disney’s legal department. And if they think
Carano’s case has any merit they’ll settle and make it go away.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 5:47 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Former MMA fighter and forever rightwing wack job Gina Carano was fired
> from her role as Cara on the Disney+ series after a series of wack job
> posts in social media and Elon Musk is financially supporting her suit,
> since some of her statements were made on what is now X--she claims in the
> suit that Disney and Lucasfilm's actions were "bullying, discriminatory,
> and retaliatory":
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/feb/06/gina-carano-sues-disney-mandalorian
>
> No response from Disney or Lucasfilm yet, but Disney's law department has
> a pretty good track record.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Letterman is Team TayTay

[Tom Wolper]

When Dave was looking for the name of someone to officiate Mary should have
said Billy Crystal.

On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 7:40 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> Letterman now says Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce will marry at the Super
> Bowl halftime.
> Usher will officiate.
>
> https://youtu.be/kXbamdMe-MY?si=dz9r_Y6TnFE033-m
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> On Tue, Jan 30, 2024, 8:59 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
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>> As is customary with many shorts and IG stories, this was all taken from
>> another video, this episode of The Barbara Gaines Show from October.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXJTIYGEUA8
>>
>> The Swiftian discussion starts around 1:40.  Presumably this past
>> weekend's championship game was seen as the opportunity to reuse the
>> material.
>>
>> Best,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 30, 2024 at 01:57:36 PM PST, 'Bob Jersey' via
>> TVorNotTV  wrote:
>>
>>
>> And now you know.
>> https://variety.com/2024/tv/news/david-letterman-defends-taylor-swift-travis-kelce-nfl-backlash-1235891216/
>>  (link)
>> Or, to go directly to the IG, https://www.instagram.com/reel/C2qMrkPAjfw/
>>  (link)
>> Whatever.
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Midnight Special on YouTube

[Tom Wolper]

And we had to stay up to 1 AM to watch it. Well, until 2:30 to watch until
the end.

On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 8:21 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> and now is the time to find one of your fav clips and post it to your
> socials to tell the young ones "this is what how we had to watch music
> waaay before tiktok/insta/youtube"
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 6:31 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Same; recall it with pleasure, periodically check to see what’s on YT.
>> Thanks so much for this heads up! Looking forward to spending some time on
>> the site and sharing with my kids.
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 12:44 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> The Midnight Special is one of those shows from my youth that I remember
>>> fondly and over the years I’ve checked in on YouTube to see if anyone
>>> uploaded videos. I recently checked again and I see there is an official
>>> account. They are slowly uploading full episodes from the beginning of the
>>> series in 1973 and they have about 40 uploaded so far (and they’re still in
>>> 1973). There are also clips of single songs from throughout the run. I’ve
>>> been having fun watching old episodes and I thought I’d share.
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[TV orNotTV] The Midnight Special on YouTube

[Tom Wolper]

The Midnight Special is one of those shows from my youth that I remember
fondly and over the years I’ve checked in on YouTube to see if anyone
uploaded videos. I recently checked again and I see there is an official
account. They are slowly uploading full episodes from the beginning of the
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[Tom Wolper]

Her panels are made up of club comics and podcasters. CBS could be hoping
that one or several of her panel members breaks big and keeps coming back
to do the show.

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 12:51 PM PGage  wrote:

> Her ratings are about 66% of Cordon’s in his last year (maybe around 75%
> when DVR is included. She makes 50% of Cordon’s $6 Million salary, so maybe
> CBS is doing better on net cost. I am surprised they are paying her that
> much though, which makes me think they are expecting her to do better in
> three months, and that she would become a hotter property down the road and
> be cheap at $3 Million.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at 7:11 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> The follow up question is not, “why isn’t this show doing better?” It’s
>> “what could CBS possibly put on in this time slot that would do better?”
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 9:56 AM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The ratings are… unremarkable
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/after-midnight-premiere-week-ratings-cbs-1235806088/amp/
>>>
>>>
>>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 1:00 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 8:06 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The charm of the past and current generation of late night hosts is
>>>>> their acknowledgment of when a joke or bit doesn’t work. Dave was a master
>>>>> of it, bringing the audience into his own discomfort. Seth gleefully 
>>>>> throws
>>>>> a writer under the bus when a monologue joke falls flat. My big problem
>>>>> with After Midnight is every joke gets a huge laugh and earns points
>>>>> whether or not it’s actually funny.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think that's why you have to edit ruthlessly on this type of show. I
>>>> don't think it's a problem that in the final show, most jokes do, rather
>>>> than don't work. But you should lose a good 50% of what you record. And I'm
>>>> just not sure you can do that successfully if you're recording only a few
>>>> hours before broadcast. Of course, if you're smart, you can lean into
>>>> things that don't work. Reference the fact that nobody in the audience gets
>>>> it.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[Tom Wolper]

The follow up question is not, “why isn’t this show doing better?” It’s
“what could CBS possibly put on in this time slot that would do better?”

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 9:56 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> The ratings are… unremarkable
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/after-midnight-premiere-week-ratings-cbs-1235806088/amp/
>
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 1:00 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 8:06 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> The charm of the past and current generation of late night hosts is
>>> their acknowledgment of when a joke or bit doesn’t work. Dave was a master
>>> of it, bringing the audience into his own discomfort. Seth gleefully throws
>>> a writer under the bus when a monologue joke falls flat. My big problem
>>> with After Midnight is every joke gets a huge laugh and earns points
>>> whether or not it’s actually funny.
>>>
>>>
>> I think that's why you have to edit ruthlessly on this type of show. I
>> don't think it's a problem that in the final show, most jokes do, rather
>> than don't work. But you should lose a good 50% of what you record. And I'm
>> just not sure you can do that successfully if you're recording only a few
>> hours before broadcast. Of course, if you're smart, you can lean into
>> things that don't work. Reference the fact that nobody in the audience gets
>> it.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Buzzy Cohen to host J! after all

[Tom Wolper]

It’s odd that there is no mention of this at all on Jeopardy.com

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 8:28 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> But only two play-in episodes for the Champions Wildcard tournament, and
> they're audio-only on TuneIn, some of whose content is paywalled (these
> aren't)...
>
> https://www.lehighvalleylive.com/tv/2024/01/jeopardys-buzzy-cohen-takes-over-hosting-duties-after-mayim-bialik-steps-down.html
>  (article
> in my local paper, from sister org NJ.com)
>
> https://tunein.com/podcasts/Jeopardy-Champions-Wildcard-Play-In-On-Demand-p3926397/?topicId=366938999
>  (the
> episodes themselves)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Origin Story Movie May Be Coming

[Tom Wolper]

The biggest question will be if NBC keeps Broadway Video as the production
company for SNL after Lorne is gone. If they don’t the network can empty
out all of the staff offices and let a new EP start from scratch. They can
also slash the budget, cut back on the number of cast members, and the
writing staff.

If the show stays with Broadway Video, I’d assume one of Lorne’s assistant
EPs would move up to the EP job. Depending on the contract they have, NBC
will probably use the opportunity to cut the budget.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 10:41 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

>
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 6:27 PM Melissa P 
> wrote:
>
>> SNL's problem has always been good writing (even in the early days), LOTS
>> of consistently good writing.
>>
>> Also, experience outweighs youth in my opinion.
>>
>> I'm reminded of a taping of* Everyone Loves Raymond* I attended.  I got
>> to tell Phil Rosenthal that one particular episode was one the finest
>> sitcom episodes I had ever seen.  He identified the writer of that episode
>> who was congregating with the show's other writers.  He was probably twice
>> the age of anyone else on the writing team.   In this society, we seem to
>> dismiss too quickly the value of experience.
>>
>
> I am a fan of Scrubs creator Bill Lawrence, but he will be the first to
> admit that he’s not responsible for Ted Lasso or the other recent shows
> where he’s credited as producer. As was done for him on Spin City, he now
> serves as the elder statesman, shepherding new and younger writers and
> producers. He sees it as his responsibility to foster the creativity of
> future generations. Lorne Michaels would never consider anything like that.
> He sees young talent as something to be milked for his own benefit.
>
>
>> I'm not sure if anyone remembers, but I think I posted here an SNL sketch
>> that actually made me laugh, the first time in years.  The setting was a
>> Waffle House.  When I was in Memphis last month, the local lead news story
>> was shootings at two Waffle Houses.  I had been to both of them.
>>
>> Gosh, Kevin, there's so much we're not teaching kids these days, starting
>> with being able to separate fact from fiction, civics, and instilling in
>> them the value of expertise.  (The Supreme Court is about to do away with
>> the latter.)
>>
>
> Not for nothing, but the students I teach get lessons in all of the above,
> and I also make sure they know and appreciate Johnny Carson, Mr Rogers,
> Humphrey Bogart, and Snoopy, to name a few.
>
>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 4:05 PM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I concur with your resentment, but I also understand the thought behind
>>> the ageism. SNL has to cultivate a younger and more diverse audience if it
>>> is going to survive while still not totally alienating its older viewers. I
>>> think Michaels struggles with this, and I think Fey would struggle with it,
>>> too, but less because of her age and more because of her inability to
>>> pander without it seeming obvious (looking at you, Mean Girls reboot). A
>>> younger showrunner more connected to modern popular culture might have a
>>> better chance at reaching 14-year-olds, but teens and young adults are
>>> unpredictable in their tastes and sensibilities (which is to say most have
>>> neither taste nor sense). They might gravitate towards media produced by a
>>> 50-something just because society doesn’t expect them to.
>>>
>>> Many of the middle school students I encounter consider themselves
>>> Swifties but in the same breath say they hate country music. They believe
>>> you cannot be successful on the basketball court without Nikes, but their
>>> Nikes are the ones from Shoe City that on closer inspection aren’t really
>>> Nikes. You can show them how your $20 water cup keeps drinks colder longer
>>> than their $50 Stanley cup, but they will still maintain their cup is
>>> superior. But any adult who tries to relate to them or speak to them using
>>> their common slang (such as “sus” or “bussin’”) will be regarded as one
>>> step below a pedophile. By and large, kids today (oh, how I hate that
>>> expression) can spot someone talking down to them and immediately reject
>>> them… it might be their only redeeming virtue. As long as SNL persists in
>>> pandering, they will fail to capture the attention of kids today. Michaels
>>> and Fey both only know how to do comedy that panders, which is not to say
>>> there isn’t genuine laughter to be found in that mine, but it won’t hook
>>> young audiences.
&g

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[Tom Wolper]

The charm of the past and current generation of late night hosts is their
acknowledgment of when a joke or bit doesn’t work. Dave was a master of it,
bringing the audience into his own discomfort. Seth gleefully throws a
writer under the bus when a monologue joke falls flat. My big problem with
After Midnight is every joke gets a huge laugh and earns points whether or
not it’s actually funny.

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 12:15 AM 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV <
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> I watched the second episode (mainly because of Tompkins) and got to
> notice three things. One is that it didn't get much better; it really runs
> out of gas after about thirty minutes. Two is that I just don't find
> Tomlinson funny or host material. The third -- and most irritating -- is
> that everyone (especially the host) spends the episode shouting. It becomes
> very unpleasant.
>
> Like I said, I might tune in again, but it'll be strictly depending on the
> guests.
>
> --Dave Sikula
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'SNL' Origin Story Movie May Be Coming

[Tom Wolper]

Lorne’s superpower was that nobody at NBC would mess with him. Once he’s
out of the picture the new showrunner will have to answer to all of the
network’s executives. It’s a wonder the show lasted as long as it did with
him and it won’t last long without him.

On Sat, Jan 20, 2024 at 2:08 PM Dave Sikula  wrote:

> Plus, I would think Fey has too many other real projects (and common
> sense) to want to take that nightmare on.
>
> —Dave Sikula
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 20, 2024, at 6:50 AM, PGage  wrote:
>
> 
> Meanwhile, Lorne mentioned in interviews during his CA Emmys trip that he
> is planning on staying with the show through the 50th anniversary special
> in January of 2025, but hinted he would retire soon after. He agreed to a
> suggestion that Tina Fey is one of several who has what it takes to replace
> him.
>
> Fey does make sense in many ways, except…she old. Michaels was around 30
> when he started SNL, and was in touch personally or culturally with much of
> the cutting edge in comedy and music. Fey is 53. Of course Lorne wants
> someone who will tend the flame and not reinvent the show. Still, I might
> be looking for someone like some Writer/Producer who worked with like Conan
> or TDS and is in their 30s.
>
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lorne-michaels-retiring-snl-just-153758117.html
>
>
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>
> On Fri, 19 Jan 2024 at 10:23 PM Mark Jeffries 
> wrote:
>
>> Written and directed by Jason Reitman for Sony, "SNL 1975" tells the
>> story behind-the-scenes of the weeks before the NBC late-night institution
>> began its run--Gabriel LaBelle, who played the Spielberg stand-in in "The
>> Fabelmans," is playing Lorne, with Cooper Hoffman ("Licorice Pizza") as
>> Lorne's immediate NBC boss Dick Ebersol and Rachel Sennott ("The Idol,"
>> "Bottoms") as Rosie Schuster, Lorne's wife and a writer on the show--the
>> question is, who's playing the Not Ready for Prime Time Players:
>>
>>
>> https://deadline.com/2024/01/the-fablemans-gabriel-labelle-lorne-michaels-snl-1975-cooper-hoffman-rachel-sennott-1235797505/
>>
>> And of course Sikula and Marousek will hate it.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Sports Illustrated about to lay off nearly all its editorial staff: report

[Tom Wolper]

In an economy with record low unemployment the two sectors going through
mass layoffs are media and tech. And that makes the media report about the
lousy job market.

It’s a shame about SI. ESPN is also going through waves of job cuts and
it’s showing on the air and in their online reporting. As newspapers also
cut back, the only places to go for coverage are the teams and leagues and
they have obvious biases.

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 2:05 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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> In a separate article about 100 layoffs planned at Youtube, V shared a
> scoreboard of major tech cuts dating back to late '22...
> https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/youtube-laysoffs-1235875806/ (link)
> B
>
> On Friday, January 19, 2024 at 2:02:39 PM UTC-5 Bob Jersey wrote:
>
>> After Arena Group, f/k/a Maven, which licensed the legendary property
>> from Authentic Brands Group, missed a payment and lost the license...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2024/digital/news/sports-illustrated-layoffs-1235877983/
>>  (link)
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: 'After Midnight' Finally Premiering--POINTS!

[Tom Wolper]

As always with new shows it’s going to take time for them to find their
rhythm and their sweet spots. That said, I don’t know how much better it
can be. It would certainly be better as a half hour show and they have to
find panel members who thrive in that format. The show looked to me like a
social media version of America’s Funniest Videos. That show can go on
forever because it’s so cheap to make but its writers get burned out by all
the repetition.

I’ll check in on it again in 3 months to see if they’ve found their footing.

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> Colbert has put segments on Youtube, tho I don't think he started till the
> show had been around a few years... B
>
> Adam Bowie, to Kevin M et al, in partJan 17th:
>
> I'm not totally sure why this exists in this spot in the schedule. There's
> no obvious virality to it, and you've got to hope that it's being made for
> YouTube views as much as linear viewing. Having things in the news to
> bounce off is good, although obviously limits repeatability, but I think
> doing multiple editions per week is going to wear quickly.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Your Emmy winners

[Tom Wolper]

I watched a bit of the awards show during commercial breaks during the game
and I was pleased with what I saw. The show seemed less bombastic than in
previous years and nobody was pretending that TV, or the awards, were more
important than what they are.

On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 11:52 AM PGage  wrote:

> The Emmy winner list seemed like a duplication of TV part of GG a week
> ago, which was kind of wierd. Awards voters love The Bear (as do I), but
> maybe spread it around a bit? Oddly, I read the GG was for Season 2 and
> Emmys for S1. They also love White Lotus and Succession, which I do not,
> but whatever…
>
> Except, 1 both GG and Emmy rewarded what for me is the worst part of
> Succession (Culkin) while the Emmys completed the biggest series “Fuck You”
> in the history of television to “Better Call Saul”, which for my money was
> as good or better than “Breaking Bad”, which itself was one of the 10 best
> drams in the history of television. Odenkirk and particularly Rhea Seehorn
> were so deserving of an award. The show now holds the record for most
> nominations in Emmy history (53 according to the Wikis) without a singe win.
>
>
>
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>
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 at 5:24 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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>> Culkin follows his Globie... *The Bear, Beef, Succession * all do well,
>> Philly rejoices as Quinta Brunson is top comedy actress... and John Oliver
>> rules late night again...
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/15/arts/television/emmy-winners-list.html
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] 'Sopranos' Creator: Tee Vee Sux

[Tom Wolper]

In a world of 500+ TV series there are going to be only 2 or 3 that are
going to be considered classic or brilliant. And if these 2 or 3 brilliant
series aren’t recognized by the algorithms to push into people’s feeds they
won’t be found by a mass audience.

On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 11:56 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> Whatever you think of The Sopranos, I think Chase is right.
>
> Yes, there's still Succession, Fargo, The Bear, White Lotus and so on
> being made. But I'm not going to kid myself that this is what Netflix et al
> will be producing for the most part in the future. The most popular drama
> on the recent Netflix data dump was The Night Agent, which frankly, is
> rubbish. I only managed one episode. A bit more swearing than a network
> show, and perhaps more sex (I don't know), but otherwise, it might have
> aired on CBS.
>
> And it just feels to me that we're getting more of these "gourmet burgers"
> as Netflix's Bela Bajaria put it herself. In other words, if NCIS is
> McDonalds, then The Night Agent is McDonalds with fancier presentation and
> slightly better ingredients. But only very slightly. But just as I might
> like a burger and fries from time to time, I also like to eat better food,
> and that's what it feels like is going away. Like a town where the only
> restaurants are chain fast food places.
>
> Amazon's hottest show right now is Reacher. And it's absolutely... fine.
> It's definitely not exceptional in any way. It has more cash spent on it
> than a network show - the action sequences are better. But it's still very
> obviously Canada doubling for the US for tax reasons, and has an
> A-to-B-to-C plot that is not going to challenge any viewer who is also
> scrolling TikTok at the same time. I've no doubt it works well globally
> because there's not even an enormous amount of dialogue to translate/dub.
> Nobody ever got poor on selling big guys firing big guns.
>
> It's just a televisual reversion to the mean.
>
>
> Adam
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 4:18 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> I think if Chase checks, there was dumbed down TV 25 years ago, too. And
>> although I liked (but did not love) The Sopranos, I wouldn’t classify it as
>> smart TV. It was well made TV, but it wasn’t smart TV.
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 7:50 AM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In an interview with the Times of London (which is behind a pay wall),
>>> David Chase says that the 25th anniversary of his groundbreaking "The
>>> Sopranos" should be considered "a funeral," not a celebration, and that
>>> television is starting to dumb down again:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/sopranos-david-chase-tv-dumb-interview-1235787462/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tom Shales

[Tom Wolper]

I remember reading him in the Washington Post decades ago when I lived in
the DC area. He took TV seriously as a cultural force and not just mindless
entertainment.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 8:37 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> It’s been years since I even heard his name. As I recall, he tried to use
> television criticism as a form of social criticism, but he didn’t seem to
> like television (or society) very much.
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 5:25 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
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>> Presumably Craig T. Nelson was unavailable for comment.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 03:18:34 PM PST, PGage 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> He was a high impact writer, on television, and in the earlier years of
>> this list. His books were interesting, but also infuriating. My problem
>> with him was not so much that I frequently disagreed with him, but that he
>> often seemed like the stereotype of a critic who cared more about his own
>> ego and rhetorical turns of phrase than he did about the work he was
>> writing about.
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Jan 2024 at 1:01 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>> His Post obit:
>>
>> https://wapo.st/4aT2Pvr
>>
>> Mark Jeffries
>> spotligh...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:41 PM Melissa P 
>> wrote:
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>> Longtime *Washington Post* TV critic
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: NFL Post-Season Flex

[Tom Wolper]

Buffalo wants to keep the roads clear for snow plows and emergency
vehicles. Pittsburgh is a 3 hour drive away who knows how many fans got
secondary market tickets and are driving up.

I’ve sat through several Steelers games in single digit temperatures. By
the second half I just want the game to end and I don’t care who wins. One
game I went to the men’s room and it was packed with men getting away from
the wind and listening to the radio feed on speakers.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 2:06 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> But Tay-Tay will be there.
>
> The game itself is on Peacock. NBC is airing another playoff game and is
> scheduled to run a "Wild Card Playoff Special" at 8 tonight before the game
> at 8:30 ET. (The game will be live on WTVJ in Miami and KSHB in KC.) I am
> guessing once every minute that the host will be saying "the only way to
> see this game is on Peacock--if you don't have Peacock, go to
> peacocktv.com and sign up now and you'll see tonight's game!"
>
> Meanwhile, NBC will be offering instead of the game at 8:30 a "Super
> Special Preview" of "Deal or No Deal Island," followed by a repeat of
> Monday's "AGT Dream League." If you want an "SNL" repeat, wait until 11:30.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 12:35 PM Marti Lawrence 
> wrote:
>
>> The playoff game here in Kansas City is going on as scheduled this
>> evening, despite the snow and record cold temperatures expected during game
>> time.
>> We don't have much accumulation though, and the stadium has been
>> preparing by adding "warming stations" throughout the interior and parking
>> lot of Arrowhead.
>>
>> ~Marti
>>
>> On Saturday, January 13, 2024 at 12:19:47 PM UTC-6 Ben Scripps wrote:
>>
>>> Sunday's Steelers at Buffalo game gets delayed to Monday at 4:30 (CBS)
>>> thanks to the massive winter storm pummeling the region:
>>>
>>> https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2024/jan/13/pittsburgh-steelers-buffalo-bills-game-postponed-winter-storm
>>>
>>> (Here in Michigan, we're still digging out from a foot of snow
>>> overnight, with 50+ mph winds and more snow predicted for later today.)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Fresh Prince's Definition of Hollywood Madness

[Tom Wolper]

The article is an odd mix of business reporting and celebrity reporting.
The decline of Westbrook can easily be explained by a sector-wide drop in
streaming revenue. There might have been a blip as a result of The Slap but
it only would have been temporary and the company should have bounced back.

On Fri, Jan 12, 2024 at 10:34 AM Mark Jeffries 
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> Westbrook Media, the production company started by Will and Jada Pinkett
> Smith, was at one point the hottest production company in LA, producing the
> only hit Facebook had in its attempt at streaming with Pinkett Smith's "Red
> Table Talk," receiving good attention for Peacock's "Bel-Air," the reboot
> of "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" as a drama and with many other projects
> planned and a projected sale to Candle Media, the company owned by former
> Disney execs that had already purchased Reese Witherspoon's Hello Sunshine
> and the execrable kiddie show properties "CocoMelon" and "Blippi"--and then
> came The Slap:
>
>
> https://www.semafor.com/article/01/07/2024/the-fall-of-will-and-jadas-media-empire?utm_source=substack_medium=email
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Your Globes Host is Jo Koy--Who?

[Tom Wolper]

The Golden Globes, Variety, and The Hollywood Reporter are all owned by
Pennske Media so it’s now a closed circle: The magazines hype the awards
and the awards show, and the awards show provides content for the
magazines. Whatever anyone thinks about the awards outside of that is
irrelevant.

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> As I've said in other venues, any show that is relying on Farrell and Wiig
> to bring the funny is screwed to begin with.
>
> --Dave Sikula
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: D!sney can't rely on Congress this time

[Tom Wolper]

https://www.threads.net/@rubenbolling/post/C1mdTSALAcV


On Tue, Jan 2, 2024 at 11:10 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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> And the next day, a trailer appeared for "Mickey's Mouse Trap,"
> looking for a distributor and platform...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/mickey-mouse-slasher-film-trailer-drops-steamboat-willie-public-domain-1235777382/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Moi, 12/31/2023:
>
> They had more important things to do than extend copyright protections
> (which they should have left alone years ago), so "Steamboat Willie," among
> other things, becomes "PD" at the stroke of midnight east coast US
> tonight...
>
> https://news.sky.com/story/mickey-mouse-disney-to-lose-copyright-of-early-version-of-cartoon-character-featured-in-steamboat-willie-13039653
>  (link)
> ISTR Warners let at least one Bugs Bunny short lapse, but digitally
> remastered it after the fact so it could be on one of their Looney Tunes
> (something) Collections...
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Re: [TV orNotTV] RIP Tommy Smothers

[Tom Wolper]

This one hits me deeper than most other announcements. Maybe because they
were so completely original as an act.

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 1:10 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> The last time I counted, I have more albums on vinyl by the Smothers
> Brothers than any other artist. Their comedy is timeless. They can be
> simultaneously silly and intellectual.
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/27/entertainment/tom-smothers-death/index.html
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: ot; google groups ending Usenet support/peering

[Tom Wolper]

For those too young to remember, Usenet was an internet service outside of
the World Wide Web. It was a regular service offered by ISPs and people
accessed it through dedicated apps or email programs like Outlook. In 2008
at the time of the birth of social media and the end of dial up services,
the major ISPs like Verizon and AT decided to drop their Usenet service.
Google picked it up as a web based version but from 2008 onwards the text
based groups were left to the trolls and bots.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 11:03 AM Mark Jeffries 
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> And like so much of the proto-Internet, the trolls and bots had taken over
> Usenet.
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 8:29 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
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>> Usenet preceded some people's being born, so to them it's
>> bordering-on-irrelevant. Still, the older content is being preserved for
>> purposes of historical record, much like old CBS shows preserve that
>> aperture-inside-Eye-inside-Eye network ID... B
>>
>> Doug Eastick, Dec 25th:
>>
>>
>> Google Groups ending support for Usenet - Google Groups Help
>> 
>>
>>
>> just noticed the above as i checked a usenet group using GG web interface.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ot; google groups ending Usenet support/peering

[Tom Wolper]

This is an email group and not a Usenet group.

On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 9:37 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Show of hands: Who uses Usenet to access this group?
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 25, 2023 at 6:28 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:
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>> Google Groups ending support for Usenet - Google Groups Help
>> 
>>
>>
>> just noticed the above as i checked a usenet group using GG web interface.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Peacock gets NFL exclusives

[Tom Wolper]

I was watching the Oilers-Rangers NHL game, which was an exclusive ESPN+
broadcast, last night and they mentioned that the third period would be
commercial free. They took the usual breaks to dry scrape the ice and the
broadcast stayed with the booth announcers. Maybe this is going to be a
trend.

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> The Bills-Chargers matchup will include a commercial-free fourth quarter
> (other content will appear during the breaks, as Westwood One and the
> respective teams' radio outlets are not involved in the deal)
>
> https://deadline.com/2023/12/nbc-universal-nfl-first-commercial-free-fourth-quarter-bills-chargers-game-1235679627/
>  (link)
> B
>
> Moi, May 15th:
>
> After the regular-season schedule was discovered to include a Christmas
> weekend game (Buffalo at L.A. Chargers) going only to the streamer, they've
> now also been awarded... a playoff game on Wild Card Saturday... both are
> in primetime, *of course*...
>
> https://deadspin.com/peacock-lands-nfl-s-first-exclusive-streamed-playoff-ga-1850439525
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[Tom Wolper]

In any internet pile-on most participants are expressing their own outrage
or pushing their agendas with no regard for the well being of the object
they’re outraged about. Sony was right to be sensitive about choosing their
host as they didn’t want to be at the center of an outrage storm that could
tank ratings. And Ken probably did better than expected in settling in as
the host.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 11:44 AM M-D November  wrote:

> While there was a case to be made for having a more diverse host (Laura
> Coates, Alex's personal choice, comes to mind; I never bought into the
> notion of having LeVar Burton succeed Alex - it just wasn't a good fit), I
> think there's a large segment of the Jeopardy audience who wanted Ken to
> host from the beginning, making the whole affair with Richards & the
> appointment of Bialik more distasteful.  Thus, to Tom's point, Mayim goes
> on strike, Ken steps in, the show stabilizes with the GOAT properly (and
> finally) succeeding the GOAT, and (again, to that large segment of the
> audience) all is right with the world.
>
> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 1:54:29 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>
>> In the Trebek succession the producers brought in a diverse group of
>> guest hosts hinting that Jeopardy might have a new host that wasn’t a
>> straight white man. The backlash to the Mike Richards debacle showed that
>> Jeopardy was vulnerable to another misstep. So they hired Mayim to host.
>> Whether they knew beforehand that she had limited availability or they
>> asked her to give up Call Me Kat and she refused, that left an opening to
>> bring Ken in.
>>
>> What happened since the spring is that Ken took over hosting full time
>> and there was no backlash, specifically the ratings didn’t drop, which made
>> Mayim expendable.
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 1:04 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
> Puck News’ Matt Belloni reports this evening that Bialik’s ouster is very
>>> much about her refusal to cross the picket lines (though Is till think if
>>> she were better at the job they would have kept her). He also says it’s
>>> possible she could return next year for Network Jeopardy!, but don’t bet on
>>> it:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> “…while Sony insists the parting is to “maintain continuity” for
>>> viewers, Bialik’s actions during the strike were at least a contributing
>>> factor, according to three sources close to the show. Sony declined to
>>> comment beyond its statement.
>>>
>>> Sony TV executive *Suzanne Prete* and executive producer *Michael
>>> Davies* were furious when Bialik said in May that she would step away
>>> from the final week of filming last season in solidarity with the show’s
>>> striking writers. After all, *Jeopardy!* and *Wheel of Fortune* are
>>> well-oiled machines, requiring precise timing to make the show’s
>>> five-episodes-a-day schedule. Plus, Bialik wasn’t loved on set, and Sony
>>> had switched up shooting that season to accommodate her Fox sitcom, *Call
>>> Me Kat*. Bialik’s reps were told that by refusing to perform, she was
>>> in breach of her contract, which began with an annual salary of $4 million
>>> (that includes her primetime *Jeopardy!* work), and has increased by $1
>>> million each year. Jennings, who stepped in on those final episodes, is
>>> paid the same.
>>>
>>> Post-strikes, Bialik had expected business as usual, but Sony recently
>>> informed her that her services won’t be needed next season. She was offered
>>> the chance to stay on for the rest of this season, but she said no thanks.
>>> Assuming the primetime *Celebrity Jeopardy!* and the college tournament
>>> are renewed by ABC for 2024-25 (a safe bet), she may still stay on those.
>>> But given her anger, I’ll be a bit surprised if that happens.”
>>>
>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 at 4:14 PM PGage  wrote:
>>>
>> I have been re-reading media reports from back in August about Celebrity
>>>> Jeopardy! My memory had been that that Ken was filling in for her while she
>>>> honored the Strikes, but it seems that was only true for the final week of
>>>> the previous season. In August they announced that Bialik would not be
>>>> hosting the new season of CJ.
>>>>
>>>> So, it now seems to me that she had two separate contracts, one to be
>>>> the sole host of CJ, another to be one of two alternating hosts of regular
>>>> (or, significantly, syndicated) Jeopardy! In August they announced she was
>

Re: [TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[Tom Wolper]

> sources.
>>
>> On Monday, ABC issued a press release with changes to their fall
>> schedule, noting that Ken Jennings <https://variety.com/t/ken-jennings/> will
>> host the new season of “Celebrity Jeopardy!,” which premieres Sept. 27 at 8
>> p.m. ET.”
>>
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/mayim-bialik-declines-host-celebrity-jeopardy-strikes-ken-jennings-1235701725/
>>
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 at 1:37 PM Jeff Metzner  wrote:
>>
>>> Unless they come up with another primetime show -- always a possibility
>>> with Michael Davies -- it seems like she's out. Nobody but Ken could handle
>>> Masters, and if this season of Celebrity does well enough to get renewed it
>>> seems unlikely ABC would want to change horses again.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 2:17:49 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Davies is always talking about expanding the Jeopardy franchise
>>>> and they might want her available for a new prime time spinoff. The
>>>> celebrity tournament wasn’t the only prime time show, there was also the
>>>> masters tournament.
>>>>
>>>> There are too many unknowns to be able to speculate about what happened
>>>> and why. Call Me Kat was cancelled, Mayim and her agent talked to Sony
>>>> about scheduling, and the result was the press releases.
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 11:05 AM PGage  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree that use of “syndicated” creates an ambiguity, and this was
>>>>> created not be media sloppiness, but by Bialik and Sony themselves, who
>>>>> both specifically used that modifier in their statements.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are they intentionally leaving the door open for her to return to
>>>>> C-Jeopardy? Maybe. Alternatively, It occurred to me that they may be still
>>>>> paying her the C-J Host salary for some period of time as a settlement, 
>>>>> and
>>>>> to underline that they did not fire her in retaliation for honoring the
>>>>> picket line, and the syndicated language makes room for this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 at 12:43 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>>>>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I notice that all the reporting and the statements specify
>>>>>> "syndicated version" of Jeopardy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not clear why there's a need to be that specific here.  It seems
>>>>>> to leave a door open for Bialik to host non-syndicated versions of the
>>>>>> show, but the tone of the statements and the coverage sound to me like 
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> is a complete break.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AFAIK, the only current non-syndicated format of the show in the U.S.
>>>>>> is Celebrity Jeopardy!, where Bialik opted to step down (or step away, I
>>>>>> suppose) from the second season as it started while the various strikes
>>>>>> were in full effect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may have missed any official word with respect to Bialik's future
>>>>>> with Celebrity Jeopardy! but I think it reasonable that her leaving, even
>>>>>> if intended as temporary on her part, was made permanent by Sony,
>>>>>> officially or otherwise.  (And if that show isn't picked up for a 3rd
>>>>>> season, this is all moot.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess it could also be confusing if the statements didn't reference
>>>>>> 'syndicated version' but I don't know that it would be more confusing 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the apparent wiggle room I see here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it's late on a Friday, and I'm probably overthinking it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 11:13:26 PM PST, PGage <
>>>>>> pga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It took several years but they finally came up with the right answer
>>>>>> (question?) to the hosting problem. I would be celebrating more
>>>>>

Re: [TV orNotTV] Semi-OT: Shannen’s podcast

[Tom Wolper]

Podcasts always have a rough beginning unless the host comes from radio.
Over time the host learns how to structure episodes and keep an audience in
mind. Or else they give it up. Since there are minimal start up costs and
no exit costs for a podcast lots of people try getting one established.
Stick with it and see if it goes anywhere.

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 8:15 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> I mean, of course I am going to listen, but — and a say this as a
> fanatical fan who prays that her cancer diagnosis is not, in fact, terminal
> — there is an element of cringe to the first two episodes.
>
> The first episode featured no guest, just Shannen Doherty unfiltered. And
> if we are honest with ourselves, don’t we all need a filter? A few years
> ago, I tried to continue with my own podcast after two members of my family
> passed away. I was emotionally scarred, and thankfully I accidentally
> erased the introduction I had recorded where I poured out my emotions,
> openly wept, and was inconsolable with grief and anger. I bring this up
> because Shannen has reportedly been diagnosed with stage 4 inoperable
> cancer, and her emotions were understandably raw on her debut episode, and
> upon sober reflection one might regret things said under those conditions.
>
> Which brings us to episode two, aka the Shannen we all know. Her guest was
> one of her Charmed co-stars, and they are clearly friends… but. Maybe you
> have one of these sorts of friends in your life, the kind who somehow
> manages to lift you up while simultaneously knocking you down by taking
> credit for your accomplishments? From Shannen’s perspective, Holly was a
> mess when they first met and was only saved by the grace of Shannen, and
> Holly had no chance of getting cast in Charmed and only got the role
> because of Shannen. And while there might be elements of truth in that, I
> don’t know if that’s how I’d publicly present a friend of mine under
> similar circumstances. And if I was the friend in question, I don’t know if
> I’d appreciate being represented that way.
>
> All that being said, Shannen would be a good podcast guest for a host who
> can manage an interview/conversation. But unless Shannen gets a sidekick or
> cohost or producer who can steer her away from the cringe, this is going to
> be tougher for me to sit through than the 90210 reboot.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] The Host of Jeopardy? Ken Jennings

[Tom Wolper]

Michael Davies is always talking about expanding the Jeopardy franchise and
they might want her available for a new prime time spinoff. The celebrity
tournament wasn’t the only prime time show, there was also the masters
tournament.

There are too many unknowns to be able to speculate about what happened and
why. Call Me Kat was cancelled, Mayim and her agent talked to Sony about
scheduling, and the result was the press releases.

On Sat, Dec 16, 2023 at 11:05 AM PGage  wrote:

> I agree that use of “syndicated” creates an ambiguity, and this was
> created not be media sloppiness, but by Bialik and Sony themselves, who
> both specifically used that modifier in their statements.
>
> Are they intentionally leaving the door open for her to return to
> C-Jeopardy? Maybe. Alternatively, It occurred to me that they may be still
> paying her the C-J Host salary for some period of time as a settlement, and
> to underline that they did not fire her in retaliation for honoring the
> picket line, and the syndicated language makes room for this.
>
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>
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 at 12:43 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> I notice that all the reporting and the statements specify "syndicated
>> version" of Jeopardy!
>>
>> I'm not clear why there's a need to be that specific here.  It seems to
>> leave a door open for Bialik to host non-syndicated versions of the show,
>> but the tone of the statements and the coverage sound to me like this is a
>> complete break.
>>
>> AFAIK, the only current non-syndicated format of the show in the U.S. is
>> Celebrity Jeopardy!, where Bialik opted to step down (or step away, I
>> suppose) from the second season as it started while the various strikes
>> were in full effect.
>>
>> I may have missed any official word with respect to Bialik's future with
>> Celebrity Jeopardy! but I think it reasonable that her leaving, even if
>> intended as temporary on her part, was made permanent by Sony, officially
>> or otherwise.  (And if that show isn't picked up for a 3rd season, this is
>> all moot.)
>>
>> I guess it could also be confusing if the statements didn't reference
>> 'syndicated version' but I don't know that it would be more confusing that
>> the apparent wiggle room I see here.
>>
>> But it's late on a Friday, and I'm probably overthinking it.
>>
>> Best,
>> David
>>
>> On Friday, December 15, 2023 at 11:13:26 PM PST, PGage 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> It took several years but they finally came up with the right answer
>> (question?) to the hosting problem. I would be celebrating more
>> aggressively but for fear that somewhere assholes are doing the same in an
>> antisemitic vein.
>>
>> “Sony has informed me that I will no longer be hosting the syndicated
>> version of Jeopardy!” Bialik wrote. “I am incredibly honored to have been
>> nominated for a primetime Emmy for hosting this year and I am deeply
>> grateful for the opportunity to have been a part of the Jeopardy! family”…
>>
>> Sony Pictures Television in a statement noted Bialik was the one who
>> announced her departure.
>>
>> “We made the decision to have one host for the syndicated show next
>> season to maintain continuity for our viewers, and Ken Jennings will be the
>> sole host for syndicated Jeopardy!” Sony said. “We are truly grateful for
>> all of Mayim’s contributions to Jeopardy!, and we hope to continue to work
>> with her on primetime specials.”
>>
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/545613a84a54c23d07da4a9f665172dd
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Freeform Out of Scripted Business

[Tom Wolper]

I was going to say Byron Allen as a joke. If he’s serious about buying the
channel he’ll have to convince whoever is backing him financially that the
value is going to go up even as the pace of cord cutting is rising.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 12:23 PM Mark Jeffries 
wrote:

> Well, I believe Freeform was on the list that Byron Allen had besides ABC
> when he said he was going to make an offer.  He also had the owned stations
> to join the other Big 4 network affiliates he already owns, FX and NatGeo
> on his list. If Allen is successful, I'd be more worried about whether John
> Landgraf would be willing to stick around at FX--the home of prestige
> television is an ill match with the man behind "America's Court with Judge
> Ross" and "Comics Unleashed."
>
> Mark Jeffries
> spotligh...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 9:48 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> A sale would be a less painful solution, presuming a Robertson-friendly
>> taker is out there.  If the channel closes, CBN sues for
>> who-knows-how-much, and *die Maus* could be looking at a breakup. JMHO...
>> B
>>
>> M-D November, Dec 12th:
>>
>> I'm forced to wonder - given the insane terms of "The 700 Club"
>> commitment, can Disney even close Freeform down if they want to, or would
>> they be required to find a buyer who will continue to honor the agreement
>> to air T7C in perpetuity for free?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Disney Buying Out Comcast's Share in Hulu

[Tom Wolper]

I have the Hulu bundle and I got an email from Disney+ saying they were
making a selection of Hulu titles available on the Disney+ app. They also
said the whole Hulu library is available on the Hulu app.

On Sun, Dec 10, 2023 at 12:44 AM PGage  wrote:

> Mark wrote, On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 2:08 PM:
>
>>
>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/hulu-disney-comcast-deal-full-control-1235579832/
>>
>> It is possible that Hulu could be repositioned as a hub within Disney+,
>> as is their Star hub overseas (and separate streamer Star+ in Latin
>> America) and possibly renamed Star for uniformity's sake, but considering
>> that Republicans would probably go into a tizzy of the thought of Tommy
>> Lee's talking penis from "Pam and Tommy" on the same home screen as Mickey
>> and Minnie, maybe not.
>>
>
> PGage writes…
> I have not seen this discussed in the list yet, or even in the media, but
> I noticed today that there is now a Hulu tile on Disney+, as suggested by
> Mark above. It does carry a “Beta” tag.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NFL clears up Week 15

[Tom Wolper]

>From a podcast interview with the NFL’s VP of Broadcast Planning: flexing
is done to move playoff relevant games from 1 PM to prime time. So it’s not
a simple matter of looking for games that will draw more viewers. The
Chiefs and Patriots (Chiefs in, Patriots out) is less relevant than Eagles
and Seahawks (Eagles in, Seahawks contending).

And the 4/4:30 national games get more viewers (30 million) than Sunday
night (28 million) so the networks won’t agree to flex them to prime time.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 3:12 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> All times East: That's the 14th through 18th of December, when three games
> are played Saturday, all principally on NFL Network, but the league has to
> pick from five contests to determine those three... they took
> Vikings-Bengals (1pm), Steelers-Colts (4:30), and Broncos-Lions (8:15),
> leaving Falcons-Panthers and Bears-Browns to the Sunday networks, where Fox
> took both for 1 o'clock... there was also a flexing involving Monday night,
> a first in the league, where ESPN dealt Chiefs-Patriots to Fox (also at 1)
> for Eagles-Seahawks...
>
> https://nflcommunications.com/Pages/Week-15-Flex-Scheduling---Eagles-Seahawks-to-Monday-Night;-NFL-Network-Tripleheader-on-Saturday.aspx
>  (link)
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Re: [TV orNotTV] J! contestants fail to recognize Led Zeppelin... X reacts

[Tom Wolper]

Going back to the original post:

1. Clickbait is driven by anger, outrage, and ginned up controversy. Any
lazy journalist can produce a quick article by picking something that
happened in pop culture, scrape social media for outraged reactions, and
then collect and publish them. I expect to see many more of these articles
in the future.

2. For those of us whose minds are trivia troves, there comes a time when
things we took as universal become niche. To younger people Led Zeppelin
music comes from classic rock radio or specialized playlists. It’s entirely
possible to attain adulthood and never have heard of them or their albums.

On Sat, Dec 2, 2023 at 10:10 AM Ben Scripps  wrote:

> The second to last clue in my first game was a map which popped up on the
> screen; I buzzed, but had difficulty making out the details enough to
> respond correctly.  (Also, my brain didn't work correctly, but it's much
> easier to blame technology.)
>
> The only other problem I had with the monitor was when a picture clue came
> up and Alex read the clue, but nothing ever showed up on the screen.  They
> had to stop tape and reload a new clue for us.
>
> BTW, when they have video clues of celebrities reading the clue, the
> appropriate box on the game board displays about the last half or so of the
> text of the clue.
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2023, at 1:24 AM, Jim Ellwanger  wrote:
>
> The failure to identify Garth Brooks is also mentioned in the article that
> Bob linked.
>
> I've heard some "Jeopardy!" contestants say (or complain) that they can't
> see the video clues as well as the home viewers, since they're looking
> across the stage at monitors on either side of the game board.
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2023, at 7:40 PM, Steve Timko  wrote:
>
> I watch Jeopardy! clips on TikTok and no contestant could identify Garth
> Brooks in a $200 clue.
>
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2023, 7:01 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Not sure that the complete societal failure referenced in the URL is the
>> Triple Stumper (or whatever the unofficial name for that is called) on the
>> Zep, given the continued existence of 'X'
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 06:51:58 PM PST, 'Bob Jersey' via
>> TVorNotTV  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.fox5ny.com/news/jeopardy-fans-dumbfounded-when-contestants-cant-recognize-legendary-rockers-a-complete-societal-failure
>>  (link)
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[TV orNotTV] Quick Review: American Symphony

[Tom Wolper]

New on Netflix, American Symphony is a documentary about Jon Batiste as he
goes through the process of composing and rehearsing his work American
Symphony while dealing with the illness of his wife Suleika Jaoud.

I couldn’t make it through the movie which is rare for me. I really like
Batiste as an artist and he does a great job of describing his work in
interviews like on Fresh Air. He and Suleika gave the filmmakers open
access to their lives even at very difficult moments. But the finished film
feels like a slog. There’s no sense of discovery or insight about Batiste’s
creative process and nothing to inject energy into the story.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Golden Bachelor not completely authentic

[Tom Wolper]

Now I can never trust the Bachelor franchise again.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 10:14 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Gerry (like "Gary" but with a different vowel) told actor Justin Long on
> the latter's podcast that, among other things, his fingerprints had to go
> to the FBI as part of the show's evaluation process; still, THR found,
> inconsistencies abound in his work history and romantic entanglements...
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/golden-bachelor-gerry-turner-ex-girlfriend-speaks-out-1235683869/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Fox's Mid-Season

[Tom Wolper]

I was a bit thrown by no mention of The Simpsons so I went to the Fox press
release to see what was going on. The new season will premiere on February
18.

https://www.foxflash.com/releases/view/fox-announces-premiere-dates-for-new-and-returning-series-to-launch-winter-2024


On Wed, Nov 22, 2023 at 12:20 PM Mark Jeffries 
wrote:

> It always says something when there's only one night of all-live action
> scripted programming on the schedule and it won't be until March.
>
> Meanwhile, according to Too Much TV, Fox's post-strikes schedule begins
> similar to the current schedule on Tues. Jan. 2 with the new game show from
> "Voice" creator John DeMol "The Floor," hosted by Rob Lowe and shot in
> Ireland, following "Name That Tune." The next night, it's a new season of
> "I Can See Your Voice" followed by "We Are Family," a new
> guess-the-singing-celebrity-relative show hosted by Anthony Anderson and
> with his mother Doris Bowman, who helped to ruin the ABC reboot of "To Tell
> the Truth."
>
> On Sun. Jan. 7 coming out of the NFL at 8 p.m. (but against SNF and the
> Golden Globes) will be the premiere of the Jon Hamm cartoon "Grimsberg"
> (already renewed for a second season, produced in-house with animation by
> Fox-owned Bento Box) and a new season of "The Great North" at 9:30 after
> "Krapopolis" and "Bob's Burgers." However, the second episodes will not air
> until after the Super Bowl, with "Great North" at 9 and "Grimsberg" at 9:30.
>
> On Mon. Jan. 22, the "TMZ Investigates" docuseries (TMZ now owned by Fox)
> that's been airing off and on in prime time gets a weekly slot, followed by
> the "America's Most Wanted" reboot. On Thursdays starting Feb. 1, "Gordon
> Ramsay's Next Level Chef" (shot in Ireland this year) will air followed by
> the bucolic dating show "Farmer Wants a Wife" ("Chef"'s premiere will come
> out of the NFC championship on Sun. Jan. 28).
>
> And finally,  on Tues. Mar. 5 comes that one night of live-action scripted
> with the season premieres of "Cleaning Lady" and "Alert," followed the next
> night by the season premiere of "Masked Singer" (with Rita Ora filling in
> on the panel for Nicole Scherzinger while she's playing Nora Desmond in the
> "Sunset Boulevard" revival on the West End), followed by a new season of
> "Animal Control" (a show that must have enough Canadian content to air on
> the CBC in prime time, on a network that the Canadian government generally
> does not allow to air U.S. shows in prime time) and the biggest
> surprise--the moving of "Family Guy" out of the Sunday Animation Domination
> block, which may be an indication that the contract with Disney is about to
> run out, Fox is not renewing it and the show is either going to end or move
> to ABC or Hulu.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Guess Who's Suing 20 Media Outlets...

[Tom Wolper]

The purpose of the lawsuit is intimidation and attention seeking. It’s not
going to trial and it’s not supposed to go to trial.

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 1:09 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> That's right, it's him--a suit filed in Sarasota County, FL claims that
> certain media organizations (only one of which--the Brit Tory
> sleazemeisters the Daily Mail--is a surprise) colluded to misreport losses
> at his Truth Social social media app--most of said outlets have either
> corrected or deleted the articles, but he's still suing for $1.5B:
>
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trumps-media-company-suing-135323100.html
>
> Considering his track record on lawsuits, it'll either be settled or will
> get kicked out.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Tim Allen hints at "Home Improvement" sequel

[Tom Wolper]

Tell him to watch the Murphy Brown reboot.

On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 9:26 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In an interview with The Messenger, accompanied by daughter Elizabeth,
> about D!sney+'s *The Santa Clauses*, the ex-Tool Man said he talks with
> former castmates often, and "we keep talking about" a spinoff, probably
> about the sons, their kids, and grandpa Tim...
>
> https://themessenger.com/entertainment/tim-allen-details-home-improvement-spinoff-exclusive
>  (link,
> hat-tip Deadline)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Help needed identify comedy show I saw on YouTube

[Tom Wolper]

Québécois do.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 5:25 PM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> Canadians don't have accents. 
>
>
>
> /Doug
> east...@mcd.on.ca
>
> On Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 14:45 Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I’m trying to find out more about a TV clip I saw on YouTube. When I
>> look at my YouTube history, it’s no longer there. I think it was a
>> YouTube Reel.
>>
>> I think it might be a Canadian show. Kind of a cross between “Last Week
>> With Jon Oliver” and “The Daily Show.” It’s like there’s a panel of
>> people in a semi-circle on the stage. The host throws the discussion to
>> a panelist. In this case, it was to a woman who I’m certain was raised
>> in the United States. She looks like a shorter, younger version of Adele.
>> She started by giving a narrative of how Nissan is struggling. They used
>> Brie Larson as a spokesperson but were planning to move away from her. Then
>> they decided to stick with her through the latest Capt. Marvel film.
>> That film is almost DOA and Nissan’s marketing efforts look dismal. Then
>> she did a bit about Nissan needing its own superhero to rescue them. She
>> has a fantastic gift for mimicry. I’m sure she’s destined for SNL. It
>> was a funny bit. I want to share it on Facebook but now I can’t find it.
>>
>> She speaks without a Canadian accent. There wasn’t enough discussion
>> from others in the clip to tell if they were Canadian. But it seems low
>> budget. I’m wondering if it got shared and then pulled back because it’s
>> not allowed in the USA? Or maybe it’s from a cable show or a streaming
>> channel?
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Bob Dylan supports Jann Wenner

[Tom Wolper]

Dylan has reached the point in his life and his career where he knows he
will suffer no consequences for anything he says. If you decide to take him
literally that’s on you. I don’t think he cares about Wenner or how his
remarks will be received. It’s just provocation for his own amusement.

On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 5:02 PM PGage  wrote:

> This is a little like a headline that says:
>
>  “Powerful white man cancelled for saying only blonde white women can be
> beautiful is defended by 80 yo blonde white woman.”
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 at 8:13 AM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> The eightysomething star, at a Beacon Theater (NY) concert Thursday (Nov
>> 16th), spotted the *Rolling Stone *founder in the audience, and called
>> for his reinstatement to the RRHOF Foundation board (he was dropped after
>> the comments he made to David Marchese of the NY Times back in September
>> 
>> [our thread])...
>>
>> https://www.billboard.com/music/rock/bob-dylan-support-jann-wenner-reinstatement-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-foundation-1235486018/#recipient_hashed=fa7e92da6f6e66bffcf0bcbf863670c6eb37d7159eb4d0ea1e44fecd5ec87eeb_salt=3a1d6b09af3b92ad7e38f8327cf18febeb049fd1c9a251b66957a07d9375735c
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Despite Disinterest, Golden Globes Are on CBS

[Tom Wolper]

That Sunday night game is a play-in game to the playoffs so it’s guaranteed
to draw a huge audience. Putting the Golden Globes on against it is just
burying it where only diehards will watch.

On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 6:41 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> The who-cares award show will air live on Jan. 7 at 8 p.m. ET coming out
> of an NFL doubleheader (but it's the final week of the regular season and
> there will be Sunday Night Football--no times yet for the games, but the
> NFL could put the Kansas City game in prime time so the Swifties can watch
> Tay-Tay watching the game), streaming on Paramount+, but as I said at the
> top of this post...
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/golden-globes-2024-cbs/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[Tom Wolper]

There’s a biased reasoning that if the movie is getting shelved it must be
a terrible movie. It’s entirely possible that these movies are fine, even
better than some which have been released, but there’s some accounting or
tax benefit to shelving them. If it’s saving them money one way or another
it doesn’t have to make sense.

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 2:27 PM M-D November  wrote:

> He released the new Space Jam movie, but this is getting shelved?  Come on.
>
> On Friday, November 10, 2023 at 11:40:52 AM UTC-5 Kevin M. wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> As others indicated, I’m not versed in studio accountancy, but nobody
>> seemed interested in the tax write off by NOT releasing the Cindy
>> Crawford/Baldwin brother film Fair Game, despite it being theatrical
>> malaise. The studio that gave us Kangaroo Jack is claiming a Wile E Coyote
>> movie is somehow lacking?! The studio said “yes” to the cinematic flotsam
>> and jetsam that was the Arthur remake, Battlefield Earth, and Cop Out, but
>> a film about a female caped crusader gets buried in a shallow grave?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 5:36 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> Producers, directors, writers, and some technical people have to take
>>> years out of their lives to make movies like this happen. To go through all
>>> that and then find out nobody will get a chance to watch them must be
>>> heartbreaking.
>>>
>>> It’s like a Renaissance prince was a patron to a master artist. He asks
>>> the artist for a painting on a specific subject, and when the artist shows
>>> him the final work he burns it.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:02 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would have liked to watch this.
>>>>
>>>> Resilience, anvils, trains, fake light at the end of the tunnel So
>>>> many metaphors for this story.
>>>>
>>>> I still don't really Get the idea of spending $70M+ and canning it and
>>>> getting a tax write-off. I guess that's why I'm not an accountant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> /Doug
>>>> eas...@mcd.on.ca
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 7:05 p.m. Kevin M.  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It’s a clever premise. Sort of like Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
>>>>> but for the WB animated characters
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM Mark Jeffries 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The live-action/CGI film made originally for Max (when it was HBO
>>>>>> Max) in which Wile E. Coyote sues the maker of all of those devices that
>>>>>> did not help him catch the Road-Runner, in which John Cena played the
>>>>>> attorney representing ACME, wrapped last year, was moved to theatrical
>>>>>> release in July but got postponed in favor of, hi "Barbie"!, and now 
>>>>>> Daddy
>>>>>> Zaslav, Super Genius, has decided that it will jon "Batgirl" and "Scoob!
>>>>>> Holiday Haunt" in the Land of Tax Write-offs--understandably, the film's
>>>>>> director is pissed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-cena-coyote-vs-acme-movie-shelved-1235643235/
>>>>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[Tom Wolper]

Producers, directors, writers, and some technical people have to take years
out of their lives to make movies like this happen. To go through all that
and then find out nobody will get a chance to watch them must be
heartbreaking.

It’s like a Renaissance prince was a patron to a master artist. He asks the
artist for a painting on a specific subject, and when the artist shows him
the final work he burns it.

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 8:02 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I would have liked to watch this.
>
> Resilience, anvils, trains, fake light at the end of the tunnel So
> many metaphors for this story.
>
> I still don't really Get the idea of spending $70M+ and canning it and
> getting a tax write-off. I guess that's why I'm not an accountant.
>
>
>
> /Doug
> east...@mcd.on.ca
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 7:05 p.m. Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> It’s a clever premise. Sort of like Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law but
>> for the WB animated characters
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The live-action/CGI film made originally for Max (when it was HBO Max)
>>> in which Wile E. Coyote sues the maker of all of those devices that did not
>>> help him catch the Road-Runner, in which John Cena played the attorney
>>> representing ACME, wrapped last year, was moved to theatrical release in
>>> July but got postponed in favor of, hi "Barbie"!, and now Daddy Zaslav,
>>> Super Genius, has decided that it will jon "Batgirl" and "Scoob! Holiday
>>> Haunt" in the Land of Tax Write-offs--understandably, the film's director
>>> is pissed:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-cena-coyote-vs-acme-movie-shelved-1235643235/
>>>
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] WB Says 'Beep Beep' to 'Coyote v. Acme' Movie

[Tom Wolper]

The coyote just can’t catch a break.

On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 10:14 PM Jon Delfin  wrote:

> fortunately, the original New Yorker piece by Ian Frazier is still out
> there
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023, 7:05 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> It’s a clever premise. Sort of like Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law but
>> for the WB animated characters
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 3:03 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The live-action/CGI film made originally for Max (when it was HBO Max)
>>> in which Wile E. Coyote sues the maker of all of those devices that did not
>>> help him catch the Road-Runner, in which John Cena played the attorney
>>> representing ACME, wrapped last year, was moved to theatrical release in
>>> July but got postponed in favor of, hi "Barbie"!, and now Daddy Zaslav,
>>> Super Genius, has decided that it will jon "Batgirl" and "Scoob! Holiday
>>> Haunt" in the Land of Tax Write-offs--understandably, the film's director
>>> is pissed:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/john-cena-coyote-vs-acme-movie-shelved-1235643235/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Chicago NBC Station Simulcasting Cable Bulls, Blackhawks Games

[Tom Wolper]

The big story seems to be NBC letting WMAQ preempt network programming.
Local stations carried live sports in prime time until the networks cut it
out and sent the teams to regional sports channels.

It’s unfair to compare local teams’ games to the World Series for ratings.
Local teams draw well. The World Series was broadcast to a national
audience.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 5:45 PM Mark Jeffries  wrote:

> Tomorrow night, NBC-owned WMAQ will pre-empt the network's Friday night
> lineup of a new episode of the game show "The Wall," which hasn't been in
> production for well over a year, and "Dateline" for a simulcast with the
> cable channel NBC Sports Chicago of a Bulls game, the first Bulls telecast
> on OTA television outside of ABC network games since 2019, when WGN's
> contracts with the Cubs, White Sox, Bulls and Blackhawks all ran out
> together--WMAQ will also simulcast a Bulls game on Nov. 17 and two
> Blackhawks games on two Fridays in December:
>
>
> https://www.nexttv.com/news/wmaq-tv-to-simulcast-four-bulls-and-blackhawks-games
>
> Outside of appealing to cord cutters that have sent the audiences for
> regional sports channels like NBC Sports Chicago plummeting in recent
> years, it is a statement of how weak NBC's Friday night lineup is in that
> they are deciding to pre-empt it for the only somewhat-guaranteed
> audience-getter for linear TV (doesn't always work--ask Fox about their
> World Series ratings)--the prime time lineup will air at 1:35 a.m. where
> reruns of Kelly and "Access Live" usually air.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Low World Series TV ratings in 2023 continue 7-year downward trend

[Tom Wolper]

My hot take is that Taylor Swift needed to date one of the players to bring
attention to the series. I watched the games and enjoyed them. The problem
this year is an utter lack of star power. MLB has few enough players who
are well known outside of their home markets and none of them were in the
World Series. On top of that the games were called by Joe Davis and Jon
Smoltz who were competent but unexciting. There wasn’t enough entertainment
to bring in casual viewers.

On Thu, Nov 2, 2023 at 10:38 AM Brad Beam  wrote:

> A beneficial side effect to the early exit of the World Series for dear
> alma mater:
>
> Fox has announced the promotion of Saturday night’s West Virginia-BYU
> conference(!?) game from FS1 to the main network.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 2, 2023, at 10:32, Diner  wrote:
>
> Last week I was listening to "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me," and one of the
> guests was comedian Zainab Johnson. During the final round (Lightning Fill
> in the Blank), Johnson was asked to complete this sentence: "On Friday the
> Arizona Diamondbacks face the Texas Rangers in the first game of the 2023
> BLANK."
>
> Johnson replied "Don't even know what sport that is."
> A good joke, but for a lot of people I think it rings true.
>
> On Thursday, November 2, 2023 at 10:22:00 AM UTC-4 PGage wrote:
>
>>  I am a baseball fan, and while I knew the series was going on I barely
>> cared. I watched most of the games the morning after, FF through major
>> segments, and perhaps most telling, was never in jeopardy of having the
>> final score spoiled because it seemed absolutely nobody in my social media
>> networks cared enough to discuss the games.
>>
>> MLB partly just got unlucky with two teams with low interest from the
>> southwest with no connection to high population east coast TV markets.
>>
>> I give them some credit this year. I was against the pitch clock at
>> first, a proponent of the idea that one of the things that makes baseball
>> unique is that it has no clock. But I was quickly won over, the clock cut a
>> lot of the dead air out, and games were more than 20 minutes shorter than
>> the previous year. At an average length of 2’40”, down from over 3 hours
>> the previous season, they approached the classic period when a baseball
>> game was usually over in less than 2 hours and 20 minutes. Far more
>> enjoyable.
>>
>> But greed still drives them to artificially inject drama into the season
>> with too many wildcards, and too many post season games. One result is the
>> WS was decided in freaking November, and League Championship and World
>> Series games are competing for attention with NFL mid-season games, a
>> competition MLB will always lose.
>>
>> But it’s worse than that, WS baseball not only got beat in the TV ratings
>> by a la luster MNF game with the Raiders, it got beat by a 60 Minutes
>> episode.
>>
>> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 at 8:07 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>
>>> Admittedly I’m not a baseball fan, but I didn’t know the series was
>>> going on until a student of mine mentioned it yesterday.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 1, 2023 at 6:21 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Gen-Z youth want less on-screen sex in movies and TV: UCLA study

[Tom Wolper]

It’s statistical malpractice to generalize a population based on the
preference of 51.5% of its members.

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 4:21 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> It’s not that they want less nudity; they have access to it in other
> media. Porn is available in many online outlets, and gratuitous nudity is
> often/always a hindrance to storytelling. It is logical that today’s youth
> distinguish nudity from story.
>
> On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 1:09 PM 'bobjersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> *From the school’s Center for Scholars and Storytellers comes the “Teens
>> and Screens” report, which reports that 51.5% of adolescents would like to
>> see more content depicting friendships and platonic relationships.
>> Approximately 1,500 young people were surveyed, with 100 participants from
>> each age bracket between 10-24. (The National Academy of Sciences defines
>> adolescents between this age bracket, which also coincides with the “Gen Z”
>> generational distinction.)*
>>
>> https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/sex-on-screen-ucla-study-gen-z-teens-young-adults-1235768046/
>> (link)
>> B
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NFL Sunday Ticket Multi-View Technical Questions

[Tom Wolper]

Jimmy Traina writes a sports media column for SI and he mentioned this at
the beginning of the season. The reason, as best he can tell, is that
YouTube didn’t tell its programmers to add that capability. When they get
enough feedback telling them that people really want it they’ll figure out
how to add it.

On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 2:40 PM PGage  wrote:

> I wonder if anyone here opted for NFL Sunday Ticket this season on
> YoutubeTV (I believe also available through YouTube)? I did - I wont
> describe in detail my experience, suffice it to say that the NFL is very
> wise not to allow partial refunds for in-season cancellations. I do have a
> technical question related to this package, which requires some set up.
>
> One of the reasons I decided to give ST a try (after paying for it for
> several seasons years ago when we had DirectTV) was the “Multiview” feature
> YoutubeTV was promoting. This allows the viewer to watch a 2,3 or 4 box
> screen with multiple games.
>
>  I failed to do my due diligence on this feature (I think they rolled it
> out during the March Madness coverage last Spring), and did not realize
> that they do not let the viewer select the games to put in the boxes -
> instead the viewer selects from a series of pre-created multiple screen
> options. This would not be a problem, except that I find every week there
> are some combinations of games that are just not available, and most weeks
> it seems my optimum combination is one of these.
>
> And so my questions: Does anyone know of a technical reason why this might
> be? It is not due to blackout rules - I am in the Bay Area TV market, and
> the games I want to watch in the multiview never include the 49ers, or even
> the Las Vegas Raiders, and the game I can not match with the other 2 or 3
> is still a game I can watch in single screen via Sunday Ticket.
>
> The Red Zone IMO continues to be the best way to watch the NFL, at a
> fraction of the cost. After the first month I signed back up for RedZone,
> and watch it together with ST. This has been helpful, as I can now select
> options where the RZ is one of the screens, so I can spend much of my time
> with RZ, but then switch over to a game with special interest to watch more
> continuously if I want (while, nicely, still monitoring all the other games
> in the RZ screen)*. But even here I notice that there are some games that
> will not pair with the RZ in the same multi screen option.
>
> I am not complaining - I knew there was a chance ST would not be worth the
> price when I bought it (still waiting for the option where I can pay just
> to watch every Ram game) but I am just interested in why it might be that
> there are some combinations they are not able to put into the Multiscreen
> (or, why it is not possible to let the viewer select the games they want to
> put into multiscreen)?
>
> * One drawback is that not surprisingly the RZ is often a little behind
> the action on the regular feed (and, more surprisingly to me, sometimes
> they are actually a little ahead of the action on the regular feed), so
> moving back and forth is not seemless.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] SportsTV: Barry Melrose Unexpectedly Retires

[Tom Wolper]

I noticed last hockey season he was going through a cognitive decline. On
highlights packages he couldn’t keep up with the action and he frequently
got teams and players wrong. The studio hosts were gentle in correcting him
and I figured they felt he earned going out on his own terms.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2023 at 5:03 PM Joe Hass  wrote:

> His diagnosis of Parkinson's disease is why. After over a quarter century
> doing hockey (including the NCAA playoffs) on ESPN, especially when the NHL
> was considered sport non grata.
>
>
> https://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/38625766/espn-barry-melrose-retires-parkinson-disease-diagnosis
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[TV orNotTV] Only Murders has been renewed for season 4

[Tom Wolper]

It was announced on Tuesday when the last episode of season three dropped.
I have a link but there’s not much more to the announcement.

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/only-murders-in-the-building-renewed-season-4-hulu-1235742772/#
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Re: [TV orNotTV] First "flexing" of NFL games

[Tom Wolper]

Won’t be the last flex.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2023 at 5:19 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In week 6 (Oct 15th), Detroit at Tampa Bay (now both 3-1) will start at
> 4.25pm instead of 1... but remain on Fox.
>
> https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/nfl-announces-schedule-change-for-week-6
>  (link)
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Are You Ready for Some 'Toy Story' Football?

[Tom Wolper]

My guess is the technical people showed them what is possible and they’re
trying to figure out what to do with it. The NHL game and this NFL game are
experiments and they’re getting feedback which will tell them if they
should continue.

On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 8:49 PM PGage  wrote:

> I watched it for a while as well. It was a specialized commentary, aimed
> at children or people who did not understand much about gridiron football.
> This was the team that used to do MNF on ESPN (at least I recognized
> “Booger’s” voice.
>
> While I was watching they said they were having technical difficulties
> that prevented them from showing field action for a bit. As you say when it
> returned it was kind of impressive from a technical perspective.
>
> I am kind of glad it was not over the top “Slime Bowl!” (At least for the
> interval I watched), but it seemed like a half baked idea, not fully
> thought through. Surely there is something cool they could do with that
> tech, but they haven’t really found it yet.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 at 2:13 PM Adam Bowie  wrote:
>
>> I noticed on Disney+ (in the UK) a couple of hours ago as they were
>> featuring it. So I spun to a random section to see how it sounded and was
>> left unimpressed. I'm sure the tech that allowed them to capture the
>> players' locations on the field in realtime, as well as identify the ball's
>> location and animate the ball getting from A to B is all very impressive
>> (although I'm sure teams have something similar available for tactical
>> purposes). But the commentary seemed to be a regular one with no real
>> changes made for the target audience.
>>
>> It felt a bit like one of those YouTube channels where someone does their
>> own commentary of a game to which they don't have the rights, and rustle up
>> some graphics, all while fielding live comments.
>>
>> Surely, if you're really after getting kids into the game, you probably
>> just need to show the real pictures but create alternative commentaries and
>> features around the game?
>>
>> This feels like a solution in search of a problem.
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2023 at 9:53 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>>> I watched a few minutes of this presentation of the game this morning.
>>> It was more restrained than the NHL game. There might be something to doing
>>> an alternate stream of a game targeted at kids, especially as alcohol and
>>> gambling become a bigger part of the sport and its ads. The graphic part of
>>> showing Andy’s room rather than the stadium didn’t seem to add anything to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 4:52 PM M-D November 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> “Big City Greens”.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:01:46 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ESPN+ did this with an NHL game last season. They used some characters
>>>>> from a Disney+ series i never heard of (Meet the Greens, maybe) and I
>>>>> watched a few minutes of it. Doing a game this way might hold the 
>>>>> attention
>>>>> of a child who would get bored watching the live game. The gimmick got
>>>>> tedious for me very quickly and I went back to the live game.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 10:47 PM Mark Jeffries 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> on Sun. Oct. 1, while the Atlanta/Jacksonville NFL game from London
>>>>>> televises on ESPN+ and the team markets OTA, a special live motion 
>>>>>> capture
>>>>>> presentation on ESPN+ and Disney+ will present the game as it might be
>>>>>> played by toys in the bedroom of Andy, the central home of the Pixar "Toy
>>>>>> Story" series--your favorite "Toy Story" characters will all be present
>>>>>> (but I don't think Tom Hanks or Tim Allen will be doing voices):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nfl-disney-toy-story-animated-game-telecast-1235587299/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The above includes a promo for the show, beginning with the familiar
>>>>>> Monday NIght Football theme.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Are You Ready for Some 'Toy Story' Football?

[Tom Wolper]

I watched a few minutes of this presentation of the game this morning. It
was more restrained than the NHL game. There might be something to doing an
alternate stream of a game targeted at kids, especially as alcohol and
gambling become a bigger part of the sport and its ads. The graphic part of
showing Andy’s room rather than the stadium didn’t seem to add anything to
me.

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 4:52 PM M-D November  wrote:

> “Big City Greens”.
>
> On Tuesday, September 12, 2023 at 10:01:46 PM UTC-5 Tom Wolper wrote:
>
>> ESPN+ did this with an NHL game last season. They used some characters
>> from a Disney+ series i never heard of (Meet the Greens, maybe) and I
>> watched a few minutes of it. Doing a game this way might hold the attention
>> of a child who would get bored watching the live game. The gimmick got
>> tedious for me very quickly and I went back to the live game.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2023 at 10:47 PM Mark Jeffries 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> on Sun. Oct. 1, while the Atlanta/Jacksonville NFL game from London
>>> televises on ESPN+ and the team markets OTA, a special live motion capture
>>> presentation on ESPN+ and Disney+ will present the game as it might be
>>> played by toys in the bedroom of Andy, the central home of the Pixar "Toy
>>> Story" series--your favorite "Toy Story" characters will all be present
>>> (but I don't think Tom Hanks or Tim Allen will be doing voices):
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/nfl-disney-toy-story-animated-game-telecast-1235587299/
>>>
>>> The above includes a promo for the show, beginning with the familiar
>>> Monday NIght Football theme.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] I listened to a Chevy Chase podcast interview so you don't have to

[Tom Wolper]

I listened to the interview. The backstory is that Chase’s daughter plays
piano at the Comedy Store and she has been after Maron to interview her
father. He knew it would probably be difficult but he has to find guests
while the strikes are on.

The strange thing with Chase is that he doesn’t have banquet stories. In
the pre-podcast days the way celebrities dealt with the public was by being
invited to banquets. And each celebrity had a story or two to tell
(prepared in advance and usually coached) about their life. That’s the sort
of thing that could get an introvert through a talk show segment. Someone
with a show business history like Chase should have a ton of these stories
and Chase never bothered developing any for public speaking or interviews.
A lot of times Maron would ask Chase about how a life changing event
happened and Chase would just say he doesn’t remember.

On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 11:54 PM PGage  wrote:

> Hard to imagine how such a thing could go well, short of Mr. Chase
> announcing that he had recently realized he had been an insufferable
> asshole for most of his adult life, and was sorry.
>
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>
> On Sun, 24 Sep 2023 at 7:13 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
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>> Chevy Chase is on Marc Maron's WTF Podcast Monday and it sounds like it
>> did go well.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 17, 2022, 3:08 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> I listened to the "Fly on the Wall" podcast with Al Franken and it was
>>> good. I'd say SNL fans should listen to it.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 2:26 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>>
>>>> This sounds sad all around. The hosts need to make guests look good in
>>>> this format. I will assume the finished episode is already edited down so
>>>> this was the best they could get from Chase. They could have released a 20
>>>> minute episode saying Chase wasn’t up to more or just decided not to
>>>> release it.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 9:42 PM Steve Timko 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I listened to Chevy Chase on the Dana Carvey and David Space “Fly On
>>>>> The Wall” podcast so you didn’t have to.
>>>>> It went pretty much how you would guess it went. The “news” from the
>>>>> podcast is that Chase had a heart attack early last year and suffered
>>>>> memory loss. This came up when Chase tried to recall a Richard Pryor
>>>>> anecdote, then conceded he couldn’t remember it. His wife explained the
>>>>> medical event from off the microphone, maybe on the other side of the 
>>>>> room.
>>>>> Other than that, for 51 minutes or so, Chase had nothing to say.
>>>>> Carvey forced his laughs and that got annoying. Chase asked how Phil
>>>>> Hartman died, then remembered a minute or two later. He cracked a joke
>>>>> about Gilda Radner dying, but it fell flat. No discussion of “Community.”
>>>>> He kept saying Bill Murray killed someone, but it wasn’t clear if it was
>>>>> another bad joke or if he has enmity for Murray.
>>>>> They were trying to wrap up the interview and Chase kept pushing it
>>>>> forward.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Golden Globes voters removed for being Golden Globes voters

[Tom Wolper]

It actually is news because the HFPA probably would have just ignored any
charges.

On Sun, Sep 24, 2023 at 11:51 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> In other news, water is wet
>
>
> https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/golden-globe-voters-expelled-violating-code-conduct-1235597889/amp/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Are the weekly network numbers from Nielsen still available

[Tom Wolper]

Use
https://www.nielsen.com/top-ten/

and scroll down past the streaming numbers to get to the top TV shows.

On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 7:14 PM Greg Schienke  wrote:

> Hi. I have not posted here in what feels like at least a decade and I
> apologize, but I've had car problems.
>
> I'm 62 and since 9th grade, a friend and I have played a game where both
> of us pick what we think will be the top 10 network shows for that week.
> Over the past few years it has been more difficult to find those numbers.
> There was a time when I think every newspaper printed that list, but not
> anymore.
>
> My friend's wife just bought him a subscription to Variety hoping for him
> the numbers will be there.  If not, does anyone know if that list is easily
> accessible somewhere online?
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> Thanks for the help,
> Greg
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Re: [TV orNotTV] It ain’t Rupert’s Fox no more

[Tom Wolper]

I didn’t say it wasn’t news. I said it won’t really send shockwaves through
the industry as it should have been anticipated, whether voluntary or
involuntary retirement.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 10:32 AM Adam Bowie  wrote:

> I think it's news because Murdoch said he'd never retire. And of course,
> it *is* a story.
>
> It's a handy time to be Michael Woolf who's new book on Fox and Murdoch,
> "The Fall: The End of the Murdoch Empire," comes out on Tuesday. I imagine
> he'll be invited onto even more shows than he might have been.
>
> I had literally just finished listening to today's episode of The Town
> with Matt Belloni featuring Woolf when this news dropped.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 3:18 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> Darcy is usually a solid reporter but I don’t know why he thinks it’s
>> going to send shockwaves through the media industry when a 92 year old man
>> announces his retirement.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 9:36 AM Kevin M. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A different (yet the same) Murdoch will be running Fox into the ground
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/media/rupert-murdoch-steps-down-fox/index.html?utm_term=image_source=CNNlinkedin_medium=social_content=2023-09-21T13%3A13%3A08
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Re: [TV orNotTV] It ain’t Rupert’s Fox no more

[Tom Wolper]

Darcy is usually a solid reporter but I don’t know why he thinks it’s going
to send shockwaves through the media industry when a 92 year old man
announces his retirement.

On Thu, Sep 21, 2023 at 9:36 AM Kevin M.  wrote:

> A different (yet the same) Murdoch will be running Fox into the ground
>
>
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/21/media/rupert-murdoch-steps-down-fox/index.html?utm_term=image_source=CNNlinkedin_medium=social_content=2023-09-21T13%3A13%3A08
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Tonight’s Jeopardy was a rerun

[Tom Wolper]

Thanks to all for the clarification.

On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 10:03 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Blossom isn’t the host on the episode currently playing in our house.
>
> And there was much rejoicing.
>
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2023 at 6:34 PM Jim Ellwanger 
> wrote:
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>> Sounds like what you may have gotten in Pittsburgh is the "Daytime
>> Jeopardy!" episode, which it looks like WPXI normally shows at 1:00 P.M.
>> (They do update the national ads in those episodes from what they
>> originally aired with a year ago - they may even run exactly the same ads
>> as on the regular episodes - so it makes sense that there would be a
>> Moderna commercial.)
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2023, at 6:29 PM, Brad Beam  wrote:
>>
>> Not national - down 79 here in Charleston, WSAZ showed the first 2nd
>> Chance final.
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2023, at 21:22, Tom Wolper  wrote:
>>
>> The show that aired tonight (in Pittsburgh) was a rerun from last season
>> with Mayim hosting. It looks like it was national and not just local. The
>> Moderna ad ran after Double Jeopardy and my DVR labeled the episode as s37
>> second chance.
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[TV orNotTV] Tonight’s Jeopardy was a rerun

[Tom Wolper]

The show that aired tonight (in Pittsburgh) was a rerun from last season
with Mayim hosting. It looks like it was national and not just local. The
Moderna ad ran after Double Jeopardy and my DVR labeled the episode as s37
second chance.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Guess Who's Coming Back on TV...

[Tom Wolper]

I was just about to post the twitter link

https://x.com/billmaher/status/1702112410516254893?s=61=OcJUo4kg3KMRa7DAyOZBvg


On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 10:53 PM Mark Jeffries 
wrote:

> Yeah, him--no date announced and probably no actors on his panels:
>
> https://www.thewrap.com/real-time-with-bill-maher-returning-wga-strike/
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> I think I've gotten used to not going to Max on Saturday mornings to watch
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