Re: [TV orNotTV] Monday Night Football and cable's slide

2020-12-29 Thread John Edwards 
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 3:16 PM Sean Healy  wrote:

> On 2020-12-28 11:51 a.m., Doug Eastick wrote:
> >
> > CFL, I believe, is totally on TSN cable. Some other Canadian can
> > correct me if the Grey Cup goes to CTV.
>
> I can attest there's been no CFL over-the-air for years now.  The Grey
> Cup doesn't go to CTV.
>
> It could easily be argued they've lost a generation of cable cutters as
> a result, though I'm sure they find alternate ways if they really want
> to watch.
>

The CFL has been exclusively on cable since 2008 (CBC's contract ended in
2007). Cable's penetration has always been high in Canada, so they lost
some households with that, but I'm not sure how many.

As for the NFL games on CTV, I'm under the impression that they go there in
part so that CTV can take advantage of the simultaneous substitution rules
(whereby cable companies have to replace the American station's feed with
the Canadian one when they are airing the same program at the same time).
That phenomenon during the Super Bowl has been a particular bone of
contention in Canada.

John

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Monday Night Football and cable's slide

2020-12-28 Thread Sean Healy 

On 2020-12-28 11:51 a.m., Doug Eastick wrote:


CFL, I believe, is totally on TSN cable. Some other Canadian can 
correct me if the Grey Cup goes to CTV.


I can attest there's been no CFL over-the-air for years now.  The Grey 
Cup doesn't go to CTV.


It could easily be argued they've lost a generation of cable cutters as 
a result, though I'm sure they find alternate ways if they really want 
to watch.



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Monday Night Football and cable's slide

2020-12-28 Thread Tom Wolper 
On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 11:45 AM PGage  wrote:

>
> Many years ago now there was a list member, I think a woman (the memory
> fades)  who I had a longish argument with about sports on broadcast TV. She
> was angry that her shows were preempted by sports, especially during
> postseasons, and wanted all sports to be moved to cable. I was very much
> opposed, arguing that many households did not have access to cable (at the
> time true, not sure how much so today) and that various government
> subsidies and supports for big time sports justified making it available on
> the public airways. Over the years though, the NBA moved almost all its
> national and postseason games to cable, and MLB moved a big portion of
> theirs, and MNF went to ESPN, and in my mind I conceded the point to my
> interlocutor. If MNF moves back to ABC it may signal that my concession was
> premature. MLB and NBA ratings are not nearly as high as the NFL of course,
> but the continued erosion of broadcast market share may mean that the
> networks would prefer a reliable if relatively small sports rating to the
> gamble of developing new programming that could easily have cratered
> ratings.
>

My recollection is that Tom Heald was the advocate for shifting all sports
to cable. He argued for this policy for his convenience rather than any
principle.

In the current DVR/streaming era, live sports and awards shows are the only
shows that reliably draw live viewers. I'm a late adopter to TV
technologies due to a mix of financial pressures and being content with
what I've got and it's only relatively recently that I got a DVR. Yet I
have stopped watching non-sports programming in real time. Since young
adults don't have my inertia (they don't know what non-DVR TV is) watching
live TV may be alien to them and shifting sports to cable might not mean
increased ratings for regular programs.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Monday Night Football and cable's slide

2020-12-28 Thread Kevin M. 
My brother was lamenting the fact he could not watch an NFL game over the
weekend because it was on a streaming service. Alas, at the house where I
was, I was lamenting that they DID have that streaming service, as I was
forced to watch the feetsballs.

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 8:52 AM Doug Eastick  wrote:

> I do agree that Sunday night is a better, or more Event broadcast than
> Mondays now. And adding kornacki was nice too.
>
> On the Canadian side, NFL is largely on TSN with some some games (Sunday
> afternoon mostly) OTA on CTV.  (TSN owned by CTV/bell).
>
> CFL, I believe, is totally on TSN cable. Some other Canadian can correct
> me if the Grey Cup goes to CTV.
>
> And then there have been books written on the NHL Canadian rights being
> bought by Rogers/Sportsnet .. a bit of a flop, buti think they have
> evolved. I'm not much of an NHL fan.
>
>
>
> On Mon., Dec. 28, 2020, 11:45 a.m. PGage,  wrote:
>
>> I have a few nits to pick with AB here (e.g. Nance/Romo is not the best
>> duo, Michaels is not the best announcer in history, and did not strictly
>> speaking replace Cosell, both because there was I think two seasons between
>> them, and because Cosell of course was not a play by play guy), but overall
>> totally agree with him. ESPN has done its best to degrade MNF, both by
>> overcharging for itself and under investing in the show. ESPN’s culture
>> hates when any announcer becomes as important as its content, such that MNF
>> is indistinguishable from some low-tier mid-December college bowl game.
>>
>> Many years ago now there was a list member, I think a woman (the memory
>> fades)  who I had a longish argument with about sports on broadcast TV. She
>> was angry that her shows were preempted by sports, especially during
>> postseasons, and wanted all sports to be moved to cable. I was very much
>> opposed, arguing that many households did not have access to cable (at the
>> time true, not sure how much so today) and that various government
>> subsidies and supports for big time sports justified making it available on
>> the public airways. Over the years though, the NBA moved almost all its
>> national and postseason games to cable, and MLB moved a big portion of
>> theirs, and MNF went to ESPN, and in my mind I conceded the point to my
>> interlocutor. If MNF moves back to ABC it may signal that my concession was
>> premature. MLB and NBA ratings are not nearly as high as the NFL of course,
>> but the continued erosion of broadcast market share may mean that the
>> networks would prefer a reliable if relatively small sports rating to the
>> gamble of developing new programming that could easily have cratered
>> ratings.
>>
>> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 1:46 AM JW  wrote:
>>
>>> From the Chief:
>>>
>>> https://www.primetimer.com/barnhart/mnf
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Monday Night Football and cable's slide

2020-12-28 Thread Doug Eastick 
I do agree that Sunday night is a better, or more Event broadcast than
Mondays now. And adding kornacki was nice too.

On the Canadian side, NFL is largely on TSN with some some games (Sunday
afternoon mostly) OTA on CTV.  (TSN owned by CTV/bell).

CFL, I believe, is totally on TSN cable. Some other Canadian can correct me
if the Grey Cup goes to CTV.

And then there have been books written on the NHL Canadian rights being
bought by Rogers/Sportsnet .. a bit of a flop, buti think they have
evolved. I'm not much of an NHL fan.



On Mon., Dec. 28, 2020, 11:45 a.m. PGage,  wrote:

> I have a few nits to pick with AB here (e.g. Nance/Romo is not the best
> duo, Michaels is not the best announcer in history, and did not strictly
> speaking replace Cosell, both because there was I think two seasons between
> them, and because Cosell of course was not a play by play guy), but overall
> totally agree with him. ESPN has done its best to degrade MNF, both by
> overcharging for itself and under investing in the show. ESPN’s culture
> hates when any announcer becomes as important as its content, such that MNF
> is indistinguishable from some low-tier mid-December college bowl game.
>
> Many years ago now there was a list member, I think a woman (the memory
> fades)  who I had a longish argument with about sports on broadcast TV. She
> was angry that her shows were preempted by sports, especially during
> postseasons, and wanted all sports to be moved to cable. I was very much
> opposed, arguing that many households did not have access to cable (at the
> time true, not sure how much so today) and that various government
> subsidies and supports for big time sports justified making it available on
> the public airways. Over the years though, the NBA moved almost all its
> national and postseason games to cable, and MLB moved a big portion of
> theirs, and MNF went to ESPN, and in my mind I conceded the point to my
> interlocutor. If MNF moves back to ABC it may signal that my concession was
> premature. MLB and NBA ratings are not nearly as high as the NFL of course,
> but the continued erosion of broadcast market share may mean that the
> networks would prefer a reliable if relatively small sports rating to the
> gamble of developing new programming that could easily have cratered
> ratings.
>
> On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 at 1:46 AM JW  wrote:
>
>> From the Chief:
>>
>> https://www.primetimer.com/barnhart/mnf
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Monday Night Football and cable's slide

2020-12-28 Thread PGage 
I have a few nits to pick with AB here (e.g. Nance/Romo is not the best
duo, Michaels is not the best announcer in history, and did not strictly
speaking replace Cosell, both because there was I think two seasons between
them, and because Cosell of course was not a play by play guy), but overall
totally agree with him. ESPN has done its best to degrade MNF, both by
overcharging for itself and under investing in the show. ESPN’s culture
hates when any announcer becomes as important as its content, such that MNF
is indistinguishable from some low-tier mid-December college bowl game.

Many years ago now there was a list member, I think a woman (the memory
fades)  who I had a longish argument with about sports on broadcast TV. She
was angry that her shows were preempted by sports, especially during
postseasons, and wanted all sports to be moved to cable. I was very much
opposed, arguing that many households did not have access to cable (at the
time true, not sure how much so today) and that various government
subsidies and supports for big time sports justified making it available on
the public airways. Over the years though, the NBA moved almost all its
national and postseason games to cable, and MLB moved a big portion of
theirs, and MNF went to ESPN, and in my mind I conceded the point to my
interlocutor. If MNF moves back to ABC it may signal that my concession was
premature. MLB and NBA ratings are not nearly as high as the NFL of course,
but the continued erosion of broadcast market share may mean that the
networks would prefer a reliable if relatively small sports rating to the
gamble of developing new programming that could easily have cratered
ratings.

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[TV orNotTV] Monday Night Football and cable's slide

2020-12-28 Thread JW 
>From the Chief:

https://www.primetimer.com/barnhart/mnf

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