Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

[Kevin M.]

Turns out there is a Marvel planned community in Georgia… it also serves as
a makeshift backlot… home prices are roughly the same as my Long Beach, CA
suburb… downside of course is it’s in Georgia

https://variety.com/2022/film/news/marvel-trilith-town-georgia-1235194027/?fbclid=IwAR2byQCPwz-62G5BrGwylFjQmabLrLzgxABA8Ag8znO68mIhbiuHIjfcLhw


On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 6:49 AM PGage  wrote:

> A former work colleague of mine left CA to go live in and work for
> Celebration, I want to say in early or mid 90s. He became like their
> Activities Director (kind of like Julie on the Love Boat). I lost direct
> touch with him, but gathered from mutual acquaintances that at some point
> Disney was no longer involved.
>
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 at 3:59 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> They did, in 2004, and the buyer, Lexin Capital, let the complex go
>> practically to sh*t... a 2016 WSJ article, per Wiki
>>  (link),
>> reported they were sued to pay for millions in repairs.  Still, a Google
>> Street View casing of the area shows the area in relatively good shape.
>>
>> B
>>
>> PGage, to Kevin M and moi, Feb 16th:
>>
>>> Disney developed a community in Florida several decades ago -
>>> “Celebration”, but it was maybe “Disney-Lite”, and *they may have
>>> divested it by now*.
>>>
>>> This frankly sounds like a nightmare to me, based on my experience with
>>> Disney culture at DisneyLand, which back in the 70s and 80s at least was
>>> oppressive and controlling in their search for conformity in a way that
>>> would make Stepford blush…
>>>
>>> For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned
 community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt
 Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location…
 Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated
 Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet
 still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he
 envisioned was shelved.

 I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and
 age will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

[PGage]

A former work colleague of mine left CA to go live in and work for
Celebration, I want to say in early or mid 90s. He became like their
Activities Director (kind of like Julie on the Love Boat). I lost direct
touch with him, but gathered from mutual acquaintances that at some point
Disney was no longer involved.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 at 3:59 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> They did, in 2004, and the buyer, Lexin Capital, let the complex go
> practically to sh*t... a 2016 WSJ article, per Wiki
>  (link),
> reported they were sued to pay for millions in repairs.  Still, a Google
> Street View casing of the area shows the area in relatively good shape.
>
> B
>
> PGage, to Kevin M and moi, Feb 16th:
>
>> Disney developed a community in Florida several decades ago -
>> “Celebration”, but it was maybe “Disney-Lite”, and *they may have
>> divested it by now*.
>>
>> This frankly sounds like a nightmare to me, based on my experience with
>> Disney culture at DisneyLand, which back in the 70s and 80s at least was
>> oppressive and controlling in their search for conformity in a way that
>> would make Stepford blush…
>>
>> For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned
>>> community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt
>>> Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location…
>>> Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated
>>> Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet
>>> still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he
>>> envisioned was shelved.
>>>
>>> I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and
>>> age will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused.
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

[Doug Eastick]

Just saw this "commercial" on Twitter..

https://twitter.com/deadeyebrakeman/status/1494380134828167184?s=20=1PVM1-mLgBfnUh_Nj6GClg



/Doug
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On Thu., Feb. 17, 2022, 7:11 p.m. 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV, <
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> As opposed to the *Cocoon* movies, which they might still own if Richard
> Zanuck didn't grab them before the deal for 20th. B
>
> Tom Wolper, to Adam Bowie, PGage, Kevin M, and moi, in part, Feb 17th:
>
>> Disney isn’t pioneering this kind of development but this is exactly what
>> it will be. Just as the people who live in the exurban developments are
>> looking for a type of cocoon, the people who are attracted to these Disney
>> developments are looking for a special and even more exclusive cocoon.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

As opposed to the *Cocoon* movies, which they might still own if Richard 
Zanuck didn't grab them before the deal for 20th. B

Tom Wolper, to Adam Bowie, PGage, Kevin M, and moi, in part, Feb 17th:

> Disney isn’t pioneering this kind of development but this is exactly what 
> it will be. Just as the people who live in the exurban developments are 
> looking for a type of cocoon, the people who are attracted to these Disney 
> developments are looking for a special and even more exclusive cocoon.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

They did, in 2004, and the buyer, Lexin Capital, let the complex go 
practically to sh*t... a 2016 WSJ article, per Wiki 
 (link), 
reported they were sued to pay for millions in repairs.  Still, a Google 
Street View casing of the area shows the area in relatively good shape.

B

PGage, to Kevin M and moi, Feb 16th:

> Disney developed a community in Florida several decades ago - 
> “Celebration”, but it was maybe “Disney-Lite”, and *they may have 
> divested it by now*.
>
> This frankly sounds like a nightmare to me, based on my experience with 
> Disney culture at DisneyLand, which back in the 70s and 80s at least was 
> oppressive and controlling in their search for conformity in a way that 
> would make Stepford blush…
>
> For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned 
>> community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt 
>> Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location… 
>> Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated 
>> Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet 
>> still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he 
>> envisioned was shelved.
>>
>> I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and 
>> age will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused. 
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

[twolper]

This is a version of a current exurban development strategy. Developers buy up 
farmland outside a city near a highway, subdivide it, and redone it. Then they 
build houses and townhouses in the residential areas and bring big box stores 
and chain restaurants to the commercial areas. Schools, churches, and community 
buildings follow. The people who move in are upper middle class, native born, 
and white and this gives them a chance to live, shop, and send their kids to 
school without having to see any people of color, immigrants, or working class 
or poor people.

Disney isn’t pioneering this kind of development but this is exactly what it 
will be. Just as the people who live in the exurban developments are looking 
for a type of cocoon, the people who are attracted to these Disney developments 
are looking for a special and even more exclusive cocoon.

> On Feb 17, 2022, at 3:02 AM, Adam Bowie  wrote:
> 
> 
> I can't be the only one who pictures in their mind some kind of "Stepford 
> Wives" community where only corporate dictated lifestyles are approved...
> 
> A genuinely hideous proposition. 
> 
> (Note: I've never been to a Disney theme park, and have no intention of ever 
> visiting one, so your mileage may vary.)
> 
>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 3:02 AM PGage  wrote:
>> Disney developed a community in Florida several decades ago - “Celebration”, 
>> but it was maybe “Disney-Lite”, and they may have divested it by now.
>> 
>> This frankly sounds like a nightmare to me, based on my experience with 
>> Disney culture at DisneyLand, which back in the 70s and 80s at least was 
>> oppressive and controlling in their search for conformity in a way that 
>> would make Stepford blush…
>> 
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 6:27 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>>> For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned 
>>> community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt 
>>> Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location… 
>>> Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated 
>>> Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet 
>>> still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he 
>>> envisioned was shelved.
>>> 
>>> I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and age 
>>> will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused. 
>>> 
 On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:52 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
  wrote:
 Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but with 
 trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each 
 location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast 
 members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the 
 community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide 
 access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment 
 ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic 
 endeavors; seminars and much more. "
 
 https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C
  (link)
 
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

[Adam Bowie]

I can't be the only one who pictures in their mind some kind of "Stepford
Wives" community where only corporate dictated lifestyles are approved...

A genuinely hideous proposition.

(Note: I've never been to a Disney theme park, and have no intention of
ever visiting one, so your mileage may vary.)

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 3:02 AM PGage  wrote:

> Disney developed a community in Florida several decades ago -
> “Celebration”, but it was maybe “Disney-Lite”, and they may have divested
> it by now.
>
> This frankly sounds like a nightmare to me, based on my experience with
> Disney culture at DisneyLand, which back in the 70s and 80s at least was
> oppressive and controlling in their search for conformity in a way that
> would make Stepford blush…
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 6:27 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned
>> community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt
>> Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location…
>> Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated
>> Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet
>> still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he
>> envisioned was shelved.
>>
>> I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and
>> age will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:52 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but
>>> with trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each
>>> location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast
>>> members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the
>>> community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide
>>> access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment
>>> ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic endeavors;
>>> seminars and much more. "
>>>
>>>
>>> https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C
>>>  (link)
>>>
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[PGage]

Disney developed a community in Florida several decades ago -
“Celebration”, but it was maybe “Disney-Lite”, and they may have divested
it by now.

This frankly sounds like a nightmare to me, based on my experience with
Disney culture at DisneyLand, which back in the 70s and 80s at least was
oppressive and controlling in their search for conformity in a way that
would make Stepford blush…

On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 at 6:27 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned
> community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt
> Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location…
> Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated
> Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet
> still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he
> envisioned was shelved.
>
> I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and
> age will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused.
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:52 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but
>> with trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each
>> location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast
>> members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the
>> community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide
>> access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment
>> ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic endeavors;
>> seminars and much more. "
>>
>>
>> https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C
>>  (link)
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

[Kevin M.]

For the uninitiated, this was Walt’s original vision of EPCOT, a planned
community where people live, work, shop, and commute… the Disney way. Walt
Disney World was intended to be more than a theme park and hotel location…
Walt wanted to redesign contemporary American life. Rumor has it he hated
Florida, but settled on that state because it had the least expensive yet
still desirable real estate. But he died and nearly every aspect of what he
envisioned was shelved.

I don’t know that a Disney branded (licensed) community in this day and age
will succeed, as the Disney brand itself is muddied and unfocused.

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:52 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but with
> trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each
> location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast
> members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the
> community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide
> access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment
> ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic endeavors;
> seminars and much more. "
>
>
> https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C
>  (link)
>
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[TV orNotTV] NotTV: Disney to brand planned communities

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Managed in the style of Guest Services operations at their parks, but with 
trusted local partners doing the development and building. " At each 
location, including some neighborhoods for residents ages 55+, Disney cast 
members trained in the company’s legendary guest service will operate the 
community association. Through a club membership, Disney will also provide 
access to curated experiences, such as wellness programming; entertainment 
ranging from live performances to cooking classes; philanthropic endeavors; 
seminars and much more. "

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2022/02/announcing-storyliving-by-disney-new-business-to-develop-residential-communities/?CMP=SOC-DPFY22Q1wo0210220011C
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