Re: [TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

2024-04-11 Thread PGage 
It is fascinating that after three decades it is still hard to have a
reasonable discussion about this case. FWIW, my view is he probably did
kill his wife. I just hate how the criminal jury has been maligned over the
years as either too stupid to understand the DNA evidence, or to biased to
convict a black man of murder (a ridiculous claim given how many black men
get convicted of murder in Los Angeles). The fact is that jury knew
something about LAPD behavior that made the Simpson defense more plausible
than it seemed to many white people who only casually watched the trial.

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On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 7:45 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> There’s no reason to try and relitigate the case. It stands, and is
> meaningful, that in the almost 30 years after the case no exonerating
> evidence or even an alternate theory of how the murders happened.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:17 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> Well, the Civil Jury found him liable for the deaths.
>>
>> But, to my point, that jury was quite different than the LA criminal
>> jury. The criminal jury knew things about the LAPD that made the
>> accusations of planting evidence and covering up even the most extreme
>> police wrongdoing reasonable, though not necessarily true.
>>
>> Kevin is not a legal expert, but he is an expert on the OJ trial.
>>
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>>
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 7:08 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>>
>>> A civil jury found he caused the deaths.
>>> Who is the legal expert?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 6:59 PM PGage  wrote:
>>>
 From Prostate Cancer.

 We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up
 or draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.

 I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
 evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
 guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
 it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
 should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
 Simpson’s lawyers reasonable

 https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9



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Re: [TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

2024-04-11 Thread Kevin M. 
The jurors in the criminal trial had no choice but to find OJ not guilty
based on the evidence actually presented, as well as the way in which the
evidence was presented. The sequestered jury members did not see everything
the rest of us saw. Reasonable dedicated viewers of the circus all
concluded that the police framed a guilty man, but the jury was really only
allowed to focus on the flawed evidence handling and then-unfamiliar DNA
evidence. The highly paid defense attorneys spun everything to OJ’s favor,
and the underpaid district attorneys didn’t do what they needed to do.

By contrast, the civil trial evidence was presented very differently by
very different lawyers. Even if the burden of proof had been the same as a
criminal trial, OJ would have lost the civil trial.

As we near the 30th anniversary of the murders, time has offered a bit of
perspective. The OJ trial paved the way for prime time shows (both
“reality” and fictional) with extended story arcs. It also made DNA
evidence so common that shows like CSI and NCIS didn’t have to waste
exposition teaching the viewers about it, which meant they could do more
story and character development. What it didn’t do was change any aspect of
the criminal justice system, nor did it lead to much needed reform in the
LAPD or DA’s offices. What it did do was provide money for the lawyers who
work at The Innocence Project.

Yeah, I watched every possible minute of the trial, and yeah I wrote a blog
which evolved into a book about it. And, yeah, that’s how I got to know
Aaron Barnhart, and that’s how I ended up in this group. I met most
everybody involved in the trial and Kato even followed me on Twitter. As an
intern, I sometimes chose the courtroom clips that Geraldo Rivera used on
his CNBC show when he was in LA. I believe that an embittered Robert
Kardashian leaked the autopsy results to me and others in an attempt to
sabotage the trial.

My personal belief is that at least one of OJ’s kids woke up to the sound
of the murders, and at least one of them knows exactly what happened, and
one day (sooner rather than later) they will come forward. I believe at
least some of the Kardashians also know exactly what happened, but it
didn’t serve their own self-serving interests to come forward.

No, I’m not a lawyer, but Jeffrey Toobin is a lawyer, and I am more
informed than he was about the OJ trial, and frankly my book was better
written than his. That said, I’m ashamed I wrote my book, and I’m ashamed I
read Toobin’s.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 7:17 PM PGage  wrote:

> Well, the Civil Jury found him liable for the deaths.
>
> But, to my point, that jury was quite different than the LA criminal jury.
> The criminal jury knew things about the LAPD that made the accusations of
> planting evidence and covering up even the most extreme police wrongdoing
> reasonable, though not necessarily true.
>
> Kevin is not a legal expert, but he is an expert on the OJ trial.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 7:08 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> A civil jury found he caused the deaths.
>> Who is the legal expert?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 6:59 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> From Prostate Cancer.
>>>
>>> We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up
>>> or draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.
>>>
>>> I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
>>> evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
>>> guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
>>> it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
>>> should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
>>> Simpson’s lawyers reasonable
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

2024-04-11 Thread Tom Wolper 
There’s no reason to try and relitigate the case. It stands, and is
meaningful, that in the almost 30 years after the case no exonerating
evidence or even an alternate theory of how the murders happened.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024 at 10:17 PM PGage  wrote:

> Well, the Civil Jury found him liable for the deaths.
>
> But, to my point, that jury was quite different than the LA criminal jury.
> The criminal jury knew things about the LAPD that made the accusations of
> planting evidence and covering up even the most extreme police wrongdoing
> reasonable, though not necessarily true.
>
> Kevin is not a legal expert, but he is an expert on the OJ trial.
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 7:08 PM Steve Timko  wrote:
>
>> A civil jury found he caused the deaths.
>> Who is the legal expert?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 6:59 PM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> From Prostate Cancer.
>>>
>>> We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up
>>> or draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.
>>>
>>> I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
>>> evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
>>> guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
>>> it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
>>> should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
>>> Simpson’s lawyers reasonable
>>>
>>> https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

2024-04-11 Thread PGage 
Well, the Civil Jury found him liable for the deaths.

But, to my point, that jury was quite different than the LA criminal jury.
The criminal jury knew things about the LAPD that made the accusations of
planting evidence and covering up even the most extreme police wrongdoing
reasonable, though not necessarily true.

Kevin is not a legal expert, but he is an expert on the OJ trial.

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On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 at 7:08 PM Steve Timko  wrote:

> A civil jury found he caused the deaths.
> Who is the legal expert?
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 6:59 PM PGage  wrote:
>
>> From Prostate Cancer.
>>
>> We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up
>> or draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.
>>
>> I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
>> evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
>> guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
>> it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
>> should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
>> Simpson’s lawyers reasonable
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

2024-04-11 Thread Steve Timko 
A civil jury found he caused the deaths.
Who is the legal expert?

On Thu, Apr 11, 2024, 6:59 PM PGage  wrote:

> From Prostate Cancer.
>
> We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up or
> draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.
>
> I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
> evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
> guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
> it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
> should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
> Simpson’s lawyers reasonable
>
> https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9
>
>
>
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[TV orNotTV] OJ Simpson Dead at 76 in Las Vegas

2024-04-11 Thread PGage 
>From Prostate Cancer.

We have an OJ trial expert on the list, so I will not attempt to sum up or
draw conclusions, though I too watched a lot of that trial.

I will just say this: while I do not object to obituary stories saying
evidence presented at the criminal trial appeared to indicate he was
guilty, it does outrage me when that observation action is not paired (as
it rarely is) with some allusion to the Ramparts scandal, which at least
should explain to most white people why that jury found the claims of
Simpson’s lawyers reasonable

https://apnews.com/article/5f2e659775684544b3034c380157cac9



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