[TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-23 Thread daniel anderson 
Sports isn't the only thing that is affected by world events.
The 1986 Country Music Awards were delayed for a speech by Reagan on Lybia? 
I remember that the show was delayed a long time, and the late news didn't 
get going till 11:53 P.M.
The Emmys were affected by 9/11 in fact twice!
I've always wondered how would they handle such a event these days, if for 
example there was a attack before the Super Bowl or the Oscars. Almost 
surely they would cancel?
On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:
>
> In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the 
> same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in 
> Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days, 
> i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game 
> nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened 
> since then?
>
>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-22 Thread JW 
>From the 9/14/01 Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

NFL postpones weekend's games:

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYVIIBAJ=f3ADIBAJ=5176%2C1292307

jump:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYVIIBAJ=f3ADIBAJ=6619%2C1302734

Also on both pages: Pirate bus, which was headed for Chicago, turns around
in Ohio when baseball cancels weekend's games, and a column on 1963. The
jump page also has an article about the Penguins cancelling exhibition
games and a piece on the particular effects of the cancellations on a
couple of Pirate-Met series.

Omnibus of sports cancellations:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=tYVIIBAJ=f3ADIBAJ=6683%2C1298991

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-21 Thread PGage 
And, as Tagliabue pointed out repeatedly during that period, Rozelle
himself always cited the decision to play that weekend as his biggest
mistake

On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 2:05 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:01 PM, PGage  wrote:
>
> Like Doug, Daniel's statement that the NFL was hoping to hold and
> broadcast games the Monday after 9/11 caught my eye. Daniel has now
> softened that to "there was talk" of holding games that weekend, which of
> course is true in the most trivial of senses. But my understanding is that
> a clear decision was made and announced no later than Friday that all games
> that weekend had been cancelled, and I was not aware of any substantive
> plans to televise games that Monday.
>
> There is this interview with Paul Tagliabue (
> http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Former-NFL-commissioner-Paul-Tagliabue-recalls-decision-to-cancel-games-after-9-11-090911)
> on the 10th anniversary, in which he says that there were those in the NFL
> offices who argued strongly that canceling games would mean letting "the
> terrorists win" (I remember that argument clearly) - but the piece also has
> this:
>
> "From the beginning, Tagliabue said, he and NFLPA executive director Gene
> Upshaw saw eye-to-eye on the matter. But others still pushed back, so much
> so that Tagliabue said he finally settled it this way: I’m doing it. And
> that’s that.
> “I said, ‘I don’t have to take a vote of the owners. I have the authority
> in extraordinary circumstances to make this decision and I’m going to do
> it.’” Almost exactly 48 hours after the North Tower collapsed, it was
> official. There would be no NFL games that week.
>
>
> Fox Sports was doing a lot of ass-kissing with Tagliabue in those days, so
> this could be a convenient re-shaping of history, though as I say it is
> consistent with my memory of that week as well. Not to mention, it is hard
> to imagine that security concerns would have even allowed them to play a
> game that soon. I was on the Board of my kid's school at the time, and we
> had an emergency meeting to see if we would allow a scheduled field trip to
> San Francisco (including a walk over the Golden Gate bridge, which had been
> mentioned as a likely terrorist target) to take place (we did, but only
> after consulting with local police authorities, and with a lot of parental
> anxiety, including my own).
>
> If you have a source suggesting that there was serious discussion of
> holding and broadcasting NFL games that weekend I would be very interested
> in seeing it, as it relates to an interest I have in how big time sports
> interacts with major societal events.
>
>
> When the topic of NFL games came up in the media, and I don't remember if
> this was national or limited to Pittsburgh, it was repeatedly mentioned
> that the NFL had to decide what to do about the weekend's scheduled games
> when Kennedy was assassinated. They decided to keep to the schedule and
> play the games in order to take peoples' minds off the news and everybody
> involved at the time who is still with the NFL or the networks said
> emphatically that it was a mistake.
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-21 Thread Tom Wolper 
On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:01 PM, PGage  wrote:

> Like Doug, Daniel's statement that the NFL was hoping to hold and
> broadcast games the Monday after 9/11 caught my eye. Daniel has now
> softened that to "there was talk" of holding games that weekend, which of
> course is true in the most trivial of senses. But my understanding is that
> a clear decision was made and announced no later than Friday that all games
> that weekend had been cancelled, and I was not aware of any substantive
> plans to televise games that Monday.
>
> There is this interview with Paul Tagliabue (http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/
> story/Former-NFL-commissioner-Paul-Tagliabue-recalls-
> decision-to-cancel-games-after-9-11-090911) on the 10th anniversary, in
> which he says that there were those in the NFL offices who argued strongly
> that canceling games would mean letting "the terrorists win" (I remember
> that argument clearly) - but the piece also has this:
>
> "From the beginning, Tagliabue said, he and NFLPA executive director Gene
>> Upshaw saw eye-to-eye on the matter. But others still pushed back, so much
>> so that Tagliabue said he finally settled it this way: I’m doing it. And
>> that’s that.
>> “I said, ‘I don’t have to take a vote of the owners. I have the authority
>> in extraordinary circumstances to make this decision and I’m going to do
>> it.’” Almost exactly 48 hours after the North Tower collapsed, it was
>> official. There would be no NFL games that week.
>
>
> Fox Sports was doing a lot of ass-kissing with Tagliabue in those days, so
> this could be a convenient re-shaping of history, though as I say it is
> consistent with my memory of that week as well. Not to mention, it is hard
> to imagine that security concerns would have even allowed them to play a
> game that soon. I was on the Board of my kid's school at the time, and we
> had an emergency meeting to see if we would allow a scheduled field trip to
> San Francisco (including a walk over the Golden Gate bridge, which had been
> mentioned as a likely terrorist target) to take place (we did, but only
> after consulting with local police authorities, and with a lot of parental
> anxiety, including my own).
>
> If you have a source suggesting that there was serious discussion of
> holding and broadcasting NFL games that weekend I would be very interested
> in seeing it, as it relates to an interest I have in how big time sports
> interacts with major societal events.
>

When the topic of NFL games came up in the media, and I don't remember if
this was national or limited to Pittsburgh, it was repeatedly mentioned
that the NFL had to decide what to do about the weekend's scheduled games
when Kennedy was assassinated. They decided to keep to the schedule and
play the games in order to take peoples' minds off the news and everybody
involved at the time who is still with the NFL or the networks said
emphatically that it was a mistake.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-21 Thread PGage 
Like Doug, Daniel's statement that the NFL was hoping to hold and broadcast
games the Monday after 9/11 caught my eye. Daniel has now softened that to
"there was talk" of holding games that weekend, which of course is true in
the most trivial of senses. But my understanding is that a clear decision
was made and announced no later than Friday that all games that weekend had
been cancelled, and I was not aware of any substantive plans to televise
games that Monday.

There is this interview with Paul Tagliabue (
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Former-NFL-commissioner-Paul-Tagliabue-recalls-decision-to-cancel-games-after-9-11-090911)
on the 10th anniversary, in which he says that there were those in the NFL
offices who argued strongly that canceling games would mean letting "the
terrorists win" (I remember that argument clearly) - but the piece also has
this:

"From the beginning, Tagliabue said, he and NFLPA executive director Gene
> Upshaw saw eye-to-eye on the matter. But others still pushed back, so much
> so that Tagliabue said he finally settled it this way: I’m doing it. And
> that’s that.
> “I said, ‘I don’t have to take a vote of the owners. I have the authority
> in extraordinary circumstances to make this decision and I’m going to do
> it.’” Almost exactly 48 hours after the North Tower collapsed, it was
> official. There would be no NFL games that week.


Fox Sports was doing a lot of ass-kissing with Tagliabue in those days, so
this could be a convenient re-shaping of history, though as I say it is
consistent with my memory of that week as well. Not to mention, it is hard
to imagine that security concerns would have even allowed them to play a
game that soon. I was on the Board of my kid's school at the time, and we
had an emergency meeting to see if we would allow a scheduled field trip to
San Francisco (including a walk over the Golden Gate bridge, which had been
mentioned as a likely terrorist target) to take place (we did, but only
after consulting with local police authorities, and with a lot of parental
anxiety, including my own).

If you have a source suggesting that there was serious discussion of
holding and broadcasting NFL games that weekend I would be very interested
in seeing it, as it relates to an interest I have in how big time sports
interacts with major societal events.



On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 9:12 AM, daniel anderson <
danielanderson2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There was talk about having the Sunday games later in the day- but the
> league made the right decision.
> However, ABC was planning to air the Washington at Miami CFB game- as late
> as Thursday, before Miami canceled that game. and CBS was planning to air
> the Tennessee at Florida game too, before that game too was canceled. The
> NASCAR Winston Cup New Hampshire 300 on NBC also was postponed.
> If they had played, how would have the networks handled it(assuming that
> weren't in wall to wall mode at that point) Maybe TNT would have aired the
> NASCAR race, while ESPN would have picked up the CFB games.
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:
>
>> In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the
>> same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in
>> Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days,
>> i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game
>> nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened
>> since then?
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-21 Thread Bob Jersey 

daniel anderson, in part:
>
> There was talk about having the Sunday games later in the day- but the 
> league made the right decision.
> However, ABC was planning to air the Washington at Miami CFB game- as late 
> as Thursday, before Miami canceled that game. and CBS was planning to air 
> the Tennessee at Florida game too, before that game too was canceled. The 
> NASCAR Winston Cup New Hampshire 300 on NBC also was postponed.
> If they had played, how would have the networks handled it(assuming that 
> weren't in wall to wall mode at that point) Maybe TNT would have aired the 
> NASCAR race, while ESPN would have picked up the CFB games.
>

ESPN couldn't have had room, unless other games had been sacked, and by 
that point it would just have been silly.

Outside chance the Cup race would have went, and yes, TNT would have been 
left with it.

B

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[TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-21 Thread daniel anderson 
There was talk about having the Sunday games later in the day- but the 
league made the right decision.
However, ABC was planning to air the Washington at Miami CFB game- as late 
as Thursday, before Miami canceled that game. and CBS was planning to air 
the Tennessee at Florida game too, before that game too was canceled. The 
NASCAR Winston Cup New Hampshire 300 on NBC also was postponed.
If they had played, how would have the networks handled it(assuming that 
weren't in wall to wall mode at that point) Maybe TNT would have aired the 
NASCAR race, while ESPN would have picked up the CFB games.

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:
>
> In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the 
> same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in 
> Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days, 
> i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game 
> nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened 
> since then?
>
>

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RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-21 Thread doug 
???  That's not true at all.  In the aftermath of 9/11, the NFL cancelled *all* of the Week 2 (Sept 16th) games, including the Monday night Baltimore at Minnesota game, and rescheduled them at the end of the season, in the week of January 6, 2002, pushing all post-season games back one week to accommodate the extra week.The nationwide grounding of all planes only lasted for two days, and all flights were running by the time the Baltimore-Minnesota game would originally have been played on Sept 17th.Doug FieldsTampa, FL


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Re; 9/11 The NFL was hoping to do the Jets/Raiders game that week on Monday Night, on ESPN while ABC carried  the regularly-scheduled game between the Baltimore Ravens and the Mennisota Vikings, but they chnaged that because the airlines were still closed.On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days, i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened since then?  --  --  TV or Not TV  The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TV or Not TV" group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en ---  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. 





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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-20 Thread Joe Ryan 
It seems to me your question is what happens if the NFL has to 
reschedule a game for some reason.
If a game needs to be rescheduled to another day, it will be broadcast 
in the local markets only. The NFL Network may pick the game up for 
national broadcast but Fox/CBS/ESPN won't. NBC did televise a 2010 game 
between Minnesota and Philadelphia the was rescheduled to a Tuesday due 
to a blizzard but that's the exception not the rule.



On 11/20/2016 4:26 PM, daniel anderson wrote:
Re; 9/11 The NFL was hoping to do the Jets/Raiders game that week on 
Monday Night, on ESPN while ABC carried the regularly-scheduled game 
between the Baltimore Ravens and the Mennisota Vikings, but they 
chnaged that because the airlines were still closed.


On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson 
wrote:


In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games
at the same time? I do remember it happening because of the World
Series in 87- in Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i
had a dish in those days, i saw the game, even though ABC was to
show the original MNF game nationally expect for the Denver and
Minnesota markets. so has it happened since then?

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[TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-20 Thread daniel anderson 
Re; 9/11 The NFL was hoping to do the Jets/Raiders game that week on Monday 
Night, on ESPN while ABC carried the regularly-scheduled game between the 
Baltimore Ravens and the Mennisota Vikings, but they chnaged that because 
the airlines were still closed.

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:
>
> In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the 
> same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in 
> Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days, 
> i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game 
> nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened 
> since then?
>
>

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[TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-20 Thread daniel anderson 
The Bears/Dolphins game was the last NFL game i saw on C-band satellite- 
that was the era when the NFL had just started Sunday Ticket- but since ABC 
didn't have time to encrypt because of the World Series, the game was in 
the clear on satellite.

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:
>
> In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the 
> same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in 
> Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days, 
> i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game 
> nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened 
> since then?
>
>

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-19 Thread Pete Ahles 
>From those Wikipedia links:

An impromptu doubleheader
 was scheduled on
September 19 [2005] when the New Orleans Saints
 scheduled Sunday home
opener with the New York Giants
 was rescheduled due to
Hurricane
Katrina 's extensive
damage to the Louisiana Superdome
. The game was moved to
the Giants' home field at Giants Stadium
 for Monday night with a
special start time of 7:30 PM EDT
, though the Giants were
still the road team.

Due to a winter storm

in
Buffalo that blocked access to Ralph Wilson Stadium
, a game between the
New York Jets and the Buffalo Bills that was originally scheduled for
November 23 [2014] was postponed to Monday night and was moved to Ford
Field in Detroit. That game was broadcast locally on CBS affiliates in the New
York City  and Buffalo
 television markets. ESPN aired the
regularly-scheduled game between the Baltimore Ravens and the New Orleans
Saints.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 4:55 PM, daniel anderson <
danielanderson2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Outside of that, has a game ever been moved? 9/11 would be one example,
> and there was a Chargers/Raiders game moved to late Sunday Night a few
> years ago too. and the Jets/Bills game because of snow.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:
>>
>> In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the
>> same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in
>> Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days,
>> i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game
>> nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened
>> since then?
>>
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[TV orNotTV] Re: MNF question

2016-11-19 Thread daniel anderson 
Outside of that, has a game ever been moved? 9/11 would be one example, and 
there was a Chargers/Raiders game moved to late Sunday Night a few years 
ago too. and the Jets/Bills game because of snow.

On Saturday, November 19, 2016 at 8:05:37 AM UTC-5, daniel anderson wrote:
>
> In the years that ABC did MNF, did they ever have to air two games at the 
> same time? I do remember it happening because of the World Series in 87- in 
> Minnesota, between the Broncos and Vikings. Has i had a dish in those days, 
> i saw the game, even though ABC was to show the original MNF game 
> nationally expect for the Denver and Minnesota markets. so has it happened 
> since then?
>
>

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