Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
This is a mildly amusing parody. http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/shouts/2014/01/what-do-yall-yinz-and-yix-call-stretchy-office-supplies.html?utm_source=tnyutm_campaign=generalsocialutm_medium=facebook On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Doug Eastick east...@mcd.on.ca wrote: I know it as devils night too. Probably because of cable TV stations imported from Detroit and buffalo as I was growing up. Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Even based out of Chicago, it correctly pegged me with Detroit, Grand Rapids, and Milwaukee. I'm willing to guess that anyone who answers the night before Halloween question as Devil's Night is an almost automatic lock for the state of Michigan (or, according to the lower map, possibly Pittsburgh). It also correctly pegged my wife with Aurora, Rockford, and Milwaukee, but *not* Chicago, because she grew up in the suburbs and didn't pick up the classical Chicago tone. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
I know it as devils night too. Probably because of cable TV stations imported from Detroit and buffalo as I was growing up. Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Even based out of Chicago, it correctly pegged me with Detroit, Grand Rapids, and Milwaukee. I'm willing to guess that anyone who answers the night before Halloween question as Devil's Night is an almost automatic lock for the state of Michigan (or, according to the lower map, possibly Pittsburgh). It also correctly pegged my wife with Aurora, Rockford, and Milwaukee, but *not* Chicago, because she grew up in the suburbs and didn't pick up the classical Chicago tone. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
"The only other oddity I found was if I was at a restaurant and I askedthe server is there was a beer brand at a discounted price that night Iasked 'what beer is on sale?' She replied 'all our beer is on sale, doyou mean special?'."hm. I've never consciously thought about that before, but that *is* an American linguistics oddity. I guess the guiding rule is if you're shopping in a store, discounted items are "on sale"...but if you're in a restaurant/bar, discounted items are "tonight's special".I may be oversimplifying it, if only because this is the first time in my life I've ever considered it.(oh...and when your waitress told you "all our beer is on sale", she was just being a smart-ass. Probably another American idiosyncrasy. :) )Doug FieldsTampa, FL Original Message ---- Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT From: Doug Eastick east...@mcd.on.ca Date: Mon, December 23, 2013 10:44 pm To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com I tried this survey on my android phone and had no luck. I just tried it now on Chrome on windows and it worked. I have lived in Sudbury Ontario Canada (3 hrs east of Sault Sainte Marie, MI; 4 hours north of Toronto) for pretty much all my life (46 years) except for 5 years in Toronto (college/university). I was curious what the results would give. Tacoma WA, Spokane WA, Minneapolis. apparently the strong correlation was my use of the _expression_ "kitty-corner" meaning diagonally across and intersection. Least similar was: Jackson Mississippi, Lubbock Texas, and New Orleans. I have traveled 90% of the time for the past 13 months, working in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Toronto, Scottsdale AZ. English is still English, but asking for a soda/pop I just use brands (pepsi, coke). The only other oddity I found was if I was at a restaurant and I asked the server is there was a beer brand at a discounted price that night I asked "what beer is on sale?" She replied "all our beer is on sale, do you mean special?". -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
Even based out of Chicago, it correctly pegged me with Detroit, Grand Rapids, and Milwaukee. I'm willing to guess that anyone who answers the night before Halloween question as Devil's Night is an almost automatic lock for the state of Michigan (or, according to the lower map, possibly Pittsburgh). It also correctly pegged my wife with Aurora, Rockford, and Milwaukee, but *not* Chicago, because she grew up in the suburbs and didn't pick up the classical Chicago tone. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
For entertainment value, I had a go at this to see what it made of my British accent. I'm from London, so my accent is probably not too dissimilar from TDS's John Oliver. Interestingly, while there was a hotspot in New York and another in San Francisco - which sort of makes sense - the map actually suggested the Jackson/Nashville/Birmingham triangle which feels to be a distinctly different dialect if my TV watching is accurate in any way! What I will say is that the easiest American accent for Brits to put on is probably a southern one. Whether they/we do a good one, is a separate question. Think Vivian Leigh in Gone with the Wind, or Elizabeth Taylor in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. However, I realise that I was being very unfair in taking the test. I just wondered if it was clever enough to spot a Brit, Aussie or South African. And the NY Times app definitely seemed to ignore my UK IP address. Adam On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 8:34 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote: Even based out of Chicago, it correctly pegged me with Detroit, Grand Rapids, and Milwaukee. I'm willing to guess that anyone who answers the night before Halloween question as Devil's Night is an almost automatic lock for the state of Michigan (or, according to the lower map, possibly Pittsburgh). It also correctly pegged my wife with Aurora, Rockford, and Milwaukee, but *not* Chicago, because she grew up in the suburbs and didn't pick up the classical Chicago tone. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to
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On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 7:03 AM, d...@flids.net wrote: The only other oddity I found was if I was at a restaurant and I asked the server is there was a beer brand at a discounted price that night I asked 'what beer is on sale?' She replied 'all our beer is on sale, do you mean special?'. hm. I've never consciously thought about that before, but that *is* an American linguistics oddity. I guess the guiding rule is if you're shopping in a store, discounted items are on sale...but if you're in a restaurant/bar, discounted items are tonight's special. I may be oversimplifying it, if only because this is the first time in my life I've ever considered it. Tacoma WA, Spokane WA, Minneapolis. apparently the strong correlation was my use of the expression kitty-corner meaning diagonally across and intersection. Least similar was: Jackson Mississippi, Lubbock Texas, and New Orleans. (oh...and when your waitress told you all our beer is on sale, she was just being a smart-ass. Probably another American idiosyncrasy. :) ) I think the difference between the beer being for sale and being on sale is easy. On sale should always refer to a discounted price. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
Okay, so I took the test and ended up a combination of a Floridian and a New Yorker. Examining the evidence... - Born of Central American parents - Army brat - Raised in North Carolina. So in short, I'm either confused or in denial. ~D Jim Ellwanger train...@ellwanger.tv wrote: Finally took the test — I got the result map right away after finishing. I grew up in Tampa (my parents grew up in northern New Jersey and in the Detroit area), and have lived in the Chicago area and the Pittsburgh area, and have now lived in Los Angeles for almost 15 years… …so my most similar cities are Milwaukee, Madison, and Salt Lake City. I’ve been to those two Wisconsin cities a couple of times each, briefly, but that’s it. However, Los Angeles is also fairly dark red for me, so I’ll take it. (Tampa and Chicago are both orange, and, as I knew, I didn’t pick up ANY Pittsburghese while I lived there.) -- Jim Ellwanger train...@ellwanger.tv http://www.ellwanger.tv -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): So... Jackson, Mississippi, and both Tallahassee and Jacksonville, Florida. I was born and raised in Huntsville, Alabama, spent a year each in Chattanooga and Atlanta, but have spent the bulk of my adult life in Dallas. Given the everybody's from somewhere else nature of Huntsville in the 1960s and 1970s (including my own parents) and all the travel I've done, I'm not surprised that they couldn't get closer than they did. Also, the grass strip between the sidewalk and the street is a right of way where I'm from and that wasn't one of the options. I had to pick other at least three times, in fact. -- Ed Dravecky III WhoFest 2 - April 2015 - http://www.whofestdfw.org/ -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I tried this survey on my android phone and had no luck. I just tried it now on Chrome on windows and it worked. I have lived in Sudbury Ontario Canada (3 hrs east of Sault Sainte Marie, MI; 4 hours north of Toronto) for pretty much all my life (46 years) except for 5 years in Toronto (college/university). I was curious what the results would give. Tacoma WA, Spokane WA, Minneapolis. apparently the strong correlation was my use of the expression kitty-corner meaning diagonally across and intersection. Least similar was: Jackson Mississippi, Lubbock Texas, and New Orleans. I have traveled 90% of the time for the past 13 months, working in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Toronto, Scottsdale AZ. English is still English, but asking for a soda/pop I just use brands (pepsi, coke). The only other oddity I found was if I was at a restaurant and I asked the server is there was a beer brand at a discounted price that night I asked what beer is on sale? She replied all our beer is on sale, do you mean special?. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Doug Eastick east...@mcd.on.ca wrote: I tried this survey on my android phone and had no luck. I just tried it now on Chrome on windows and it worked. I have lived in Sudbury Ontario Canada (3 hrs east of Sault Sainte Marie, MI; 4 hours north of Toronto) for pretty much all my life (46 years) except for 5 years in Toronto (college/university). I was curious what the results would give. Tacoma WA, Spokane WA, Minneapolis. apparently the strong correlation was my use of the expression kitty-corner meaning diagonally across and intersection. Least similar was: Jackson Mississippi, Lubbock Texas, and New Orleans. (SNIP) Thanks to all for reporting your results (not that others should not continue to feel free to share). It does seem like the instrument does a pretty good job of localizing dialects independent of any clues that may have been available through the internet connection. I don't think the Most distinctive answer is a big part of how they are localizing dialect cities. For example I also use kitty-corner (in my head I spell it kitty-korner) but was appropriately fingered in Northern California. I have the impression that they have a number of questions for which one or two answers localize to a few regions, and they include enough of those to generate some hypotheses, and then use answers to the most distinctive question that distinguishes between those regions to come up with their final three. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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It gave me 25 questions, and placed me in or near Southern California cities not named LA. However, these cities were just slightly darker red than the parts of the Pacific NW where I spent nearly three decades (I've been in the DC area since 1999). I was not logged in, but I can't be sure there weren't residual tracking markers. I would also note that the most distinctive answers for each of the cities (Fresno, Bakersfield Long Beach) was some variation of no special word for _ so I am skeptical of how precisely those answers can be pinpointed. Especially since I've only been to Long Beach of the 3. David Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
There is also an option to view the cities least similar to your choices, which *might* be more instructive. As least for me, I was more confident in conclusions that I wasn't from Minnesota or Massachusetts than in being from various parts of Southern California. David From: PGage pga...@gmail.com To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT Sorry - it is 25 questions, many or all selected from the larger set of the Harvard Survey... On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:34 AM, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote: It gave me 25 questions, and placed me in or near Southern California cities not named LA. However, these cities were just slightly darker red than the parts of the Pacific NW where I spent nearly three decades (I've been in the DC area since 1999). I was not logged in, but I can't be sure there weren't residual tracking markers. I would also note that the most distinctive answers for each of the cities (Fresno, Bakersfield Long Beach) was some variation of no special word for _ so I am skeptical of how precisely those answers can be pinpointed. Especially since I've only been to Long Beach of the 3. David Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
I repeated the quiz, which did not give me the same 25 questions (though some did repeat). Analysis was close to the same as before. I suspect it has to do with the small size of my hometown in Washington State compared to the central/southern California towns it places my dialect. David From: David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT It gave me 25 questions, and placed me in or near Southern California cities not named LA. However, these cities were just slightly darker red than the parts of the Pacific NW where I spent nearly three decades (I've been in the DC area since 1999). I was not logged in, but I can't be sure there weren't residual tracking markers. I would also note that the most distinctive answers for each of the cities (Fresno, Bakersfield Long Beach) was some variation of no special word for _ so I am skeptical of how precisely those answers can be pinpointed. Especially since I've only been to Long Beach of the 3. David Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
Where I grew up, we used mountain lion and cougar roughly equally. People who moved to my area from New Mexico called it puma. I don't know how you can make an inference from that word. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 8:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
I've now taken the quiz twice. Neither time did I get an answer(s). From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Bruggeman Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 1:35 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT I repeated the quiz, which did not give me the same 25 questions (though some did repeat). Analysis was close to the same as before. I suspect it has to do with the small size of my hometown in Washington State compared to the central/southern California towns it places my dialect. David _ From: David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT It gave me 25 questions, and placed me in or near Southern California cities not named LA. However, these cities were just slightly darker red than the parts of the Pacific NW where I spent nearly three decades (I've been in the DC area since 1999). I was not logged in, but I can't be sure there weren't residual tracking markers. I would also note that the most distinctive answers for each of the cities (Fresno, Bakersfield Long Beach) was some variation of no special word for _ so I am skeptical of how precisely those answers can be pinpointed. Especially since I've only been to Long Beach of the 3. David Sent from my iPad On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map .html?nl=todaysheadlines http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-ma p.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 emc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
MelissaP, to David B: I’ve now taken the quiz twice. Neither time did I get an answer(s). Bug in the page, or just an idiosyncrasy with your connection... clicking the 'show most/least similar' toggle makes the maps reload. Most similar for me first time: the NY metro, no surprise... least: Michigan. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Actually, I believe the maps just take too long to load, for obvious reasons. The grassy strip in a widely-divided highway here in PA can also be called a median, as for a time there were KEEP OFF MEDIAN signs on them. I tweaked a few responses, and the second result came up with a yooge piece of the South: Jackson, Mississippi; Winston-Salem, NC; and Augusta/Richmond County, GA. I could just be schizoid; I've been told I could have been in the past. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Third time, still no answer(s). I suspect that in my case, there are no answers. Although I've now lived in the Washington, DC area most of my life, I was born and raised in the Deep South - to European parents. From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jersey Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:33 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT MelissaP, to David B: I've now taken the quiz twice. Neither time did I get an answer(s). Bug in the page, or just an idiosyncrasy with your connection... clicking the 'show most/least similar' toggle makes the maps reload. Most similar for me first time: the NY metro, no surprise... least: Michigan. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: The grassy strip in a widely-divided highway here in PA can also be called a median, as for a time there were KEEP OFF MEDIAN signs on them. As with most U.S. road signs, that’s Federally mandated language (per the Federal Highway Administration’s Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices), so it may not necessarily reflect local usage. -- Jim Ellwanger train...@ellwanger.tv http://www.ellwanger.tv/ -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:32 PM, Jim Ellwanger train...@ellwanger.tvwrote: On Dec 22, 2013, at 11:42 AM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: The grassy strip in a widely-divided highway here in PA can also be called a median, as for a time there were KEEP OFF MEDIAN signs on them. As with most U.S. road signs, that’s Federally mandated language (per the Federal Highway Administration’s Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices), so it may not necessarily reflect local usage. When I read that question my first reaction was: 'Grass? On a freeway?. The main shibboleth that still marks me as SoCal bred, even compared with Bay Area folks, is putting the definite article in front of freeway names and numbers. I guess this is highlighted in the SNL sketch, though to my ear they are only making fun of the inflection and obsession with routing information, since using the just seems obvious and natural. The route obsession though also seems to me to be stereotypical of people from NYC, who do not fetishize freeways of course, but do bridges, tunnels and subway stations. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I have now taken the survey four times on two different computers and have not gotten any maps at the end. Tried toggling and still nothing. Did notice that each time I took it the questions were mostly the same but there were always a handful of new ones. - Original Message - From: Melissa Pollak To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT Third time, still no answer(s). I suspect that in my case, there are no answers. Although I've now lived in the Washington, DC area most of my life, I was born and raised in the Deep South - to European parents. From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jersey Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:33 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT MelissaP, to David B: I've now taken the quiz twice. Neither time did I get an answer(s). Bug in the page, or just an idiosyncrasy with your connection... clicking the 'show most/least similar' toggle makes the maps reload. Most similar for me first time: the NY metro, no surprise... least: Michigan. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6941 - Release Date: 12/22/13 -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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And now, after composing and sending the previous email, there ARE maps. It must be reeeally slow - like a couple of minutes. - Original Message - From: Bradford To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT I have now taken the survey four times on two different computers and have not gotten any maps at the end. Tried toggling and still nothing. Did notice that each time I took it the questions were mostly the same but there were always a handful of new ones. - Original Message - From: Melissa Pollak To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:16 PM Subject: RE: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT Third time, still no answer(s). I suspect that in my case, there are no answers. Although I've now lived in the Washington, DC area most of my life, I was born and raised in the Deep South - to European parents. From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Jersey Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 2:33 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT MelissaP, to David B: I've now taken the quiz twice. Neither time did I get an answer(s). Bug in the page, or just an idiosyncrasy with your connection... clicking the 'show most/least similar' toggle makes the maps reload. Most similar for me first time: the NY metro, no surprise... least: Michigan. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6941 - Release Date: 12/22/13 -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On Dec 22, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Melissa Pollak takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote: Third time, still no answer(s). I suspect that in my case, there are no answers. Although I’ve now lived in the Washington, DC area most of my life, I was born and raised in the Deep South – to European parents. It took me several attempts in both Safari and Firefox to get it to complete as well. I had to let the results page sit for about 30 seconds before anything appeared. The color contours on the generated map were darkest red in the areas where I've spent the most time; the highlighted cities were Grand Rapids, where I grew up; Detroit, where I've never spent more than a night; and Buffalo, where I've never been. I expected a little more New England flavor to my results; I'm from Massachusetts, my mom grew up there and much of my speech I took from her (enough that, when in a college linguistics class, the professor wrote the words 'Stu' and 'stew' on the board, and I was the only person in the room to say them differently; he immediately pegged me as being from somewhere in New England.) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I'm a lifelong vagabond, having been born into the military as the dependent of a career Marine, and then enlisting in the Corps myself after getting bored with my first two years of college. After serving 8 years myself, I got out at the age of 29 and moved back to Kentucky to finish school. After bumming around there for about 7-8 years, I moved to Tampa, FL and have been here for the last 15 years. Due to my frequent travels, I've lived all over the USA, with stops in North Carolina, Kansas City, California and Hawaii representing the high points. My active duty time was spent in Hawaii, Guam and all over the Far East. Since I've always maintained that not only do I not have an identifiable accent, I can fairly accurately assume just about any regional accent on command. It's an entertaining party trick, but has no other benefit (everybody who's ever visited Hawaii loves hearing pidgin English spoken by an old fat white guy). So I was very intrigued about what the quiz would say about me. Long story short (too late) I think I fried the test. I didn't get any results at the end.just the Your Map page with a large blank white area down below. I was disappointed, wanting to scoff at whatever result it showed. But, I guess that's the best answer it could give for my particular situation. J Doug Fields Tampa, FL From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of PGage Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 11:46 AM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT Many here will have seen that the NYT has published today an interactive version of a sample of questions from the Harvard Dialect Survey. The entire survey has 122 questions (you can see all of them at a link at the end of the survey), the NYT has selected around 10 or so. I am suspicious that they may have cheated a bit using location data from my sign-in - two of my three most similar cities are within 100 miles of where I have lived the last 25 years, and one is the closest city to me with more than 100,000 people in it. None of the cities are within 400 miles of where I grew up prior to going to college (southern California), which would seem to be a big influence on speech patterns. If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map .html?nl=todaysheadlines http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-ma p.html?nl=todaysheadlinesemc=edit_th_20131222 emc=edit_th_20131222 TV tie-in: Television is one of the main culprits for the break-down in regional dialects in the United States. I grew up in Los Angeles with a family of recently transplanted New Yorkers, who all had strong regional accents and speech patterns, and who were very aware of how differently Californians talked. SNL has a recurring sketch about The Californians that seems to self-consciously make fun of the assumption that everyone in SoCal has internalized the affluent Anglo subculture. The larger truth is probably that we are all Californians these days, or at least the flat California sound is what gets repeated in most mass media. Of course if you walk the streets of Los Angeles (well, few people actually do that, but if you walk the shopping malls or beaches of Southern California) the accents and dialects you will hear are anything but flat. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I still have the browser window open with the blank results page. It's been open for well over 15 minutes now. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get a map result, regardless of how long I wait. Doug Fields Tampa, FL From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scripps Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 4:29 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT On Dec 22, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Melissa Pollak takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote: Third time, still no answer(s). I suspect that in my case, there are no answers. Although I've now lived in the Washington, DC area most of my life, I was born and raised in the Deep South - to European parents. It took me several attempts in both Safari and Firefox to get it to complete as well. I had to let the results page sit for about 30 seconds before anything appeared. The color contours on the generated map were darkest red in the areas where I've spent the most time; the highlighted cities were Grand Rapids, where I grew up; Detroit, where I've never spent more than a night; and Buffalo, where I've never been. I expected a little more New England flavor to my results; I'm from Massachusetts, my mom grew up there and much of my speech I took from her (enough that, when in a college linguistics class, the professor wrote the words 'Stu' and 'stew' on the board, and I was the only person in the room to say them differently; he immediately pegged me as being from somewhere in New England.) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT
Interesting (to me anyway) update: after not getting results from my first attempt, I re-took the quiz, with several new questions, and this time it did give me a results map. I was most similar across a swath of the deep south, with Atlanta one of my similar cities, but sort of surprisingly, the other two cities were Richmond and Norfolk, VA. I actually did live in Norfolk for two years as a child of 5-6. But I never returned to Virginia after that and have had no connection to the area since. And, since I've lived in Florida for the last 15 years, there's no available data on my computer or my browsers that would connect me to that area. I'm not sure what that means, but I do find it pretty interesting that it identified me as a Southerner, with my Kentucky/Florida history, and actually picked a city I lived in as a child. Doug Fields Tampa, FL From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Doug Fields Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 5:52 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT I still have the browser window open with the blank results page. It's been open for well over 15 minutes now. I'm pretty sure I'm not going to get a map result, regardless of how long I wait. Doug Fields Tampa, FL From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Scripps Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2013 4:29 PM To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] TV orNotTV] NOTTV: Harvard Dialect Survey in NYT On Dec 22, 2013, at 3:16 PM, Melissa Pollak takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote: Third time, still no answer(s). I suspect that in my case, there are no answers. Although I've now lived in the Washington, DC area most of my life, I was born and raised in the Deep South - to European parents. It took me several attempts in both Safari and Firefox to get it to complete as well. I had to let the results page sit for about 30 seconds before anything appeared. The color contours on the generated map were darkest red in the areas where I've spent the most time; the highlighted cities were Grand Rapids, where I grew up; Detroit, where I've never spent more than a night; and Buffalo, where I've never been. I expected a little more New England flavor to my results; I'm from Massachusetts, my mom grew up there and much of my speech I took from her (enough that, when in a college linguistics class, the professor wrote the words 'Stu' and 'stew' on the board, and I was the only person in the room to say them differently; he immediately pegged me as being from somewhere in New England.) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Doug Fields d...@flids.net wrote: Interesting (to me anyway) update: after not getting results from my first attempt, I re-took the quiz, with several new questions, and this time it did give me a results map. I was “most similar” across a swath of the deep south, with Atlanta one of my “similar cities”, but sort of surprisingly, the other two cities were Richmond and Norfolk, VA. I actually did live in Norfolk for two years as a child of 5-6. But I never returned to Virginia after that and have had no connection to the area since. And, since I’ve lived in Florida for the last 15 years, there’s no available data on my computer or my browsers that would connect me to that area. I’m not sure what that means, but I do find it pretty interesting that it identified me as a Southerner, with my Kentucky/Florida history, and actually picked a city I lived in as a child. Of course to my Yankee ear it is pretty hard to tell the difference between the way people from central Fl and Virginia talk, though I am sure the actual differences are extensive and profound. I do think there tends to be kind of generic military dialect, particularly in the navy, that is vaguely southern and deeply imprints itself on those who have served for a while. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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From: tvornottv@googlegroups.com [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Timko Where I grew up, we used mountain lion and cougar roughly equally. People who moved to my area from New Mexico called it puma. I don't know how you can make an inference from that word. I ended up with Louisville, Lexington, and Columbus - Georgia. (And my most certainly not cities were Worcester, Springfield MA, and Philly.) And I found the mountain lion/cougar note funny. When the two public city high schools in neighboring Charleston re-consolidated 20 years ago, CHS went from Charleston Mountain Lions to Capital Cougars. (Meanwhile, Stonewall Jackson contributed the Cougars' gray.) _ _ |_|_ Brad Beam- Belle WV |_|_ http://www.facebook.com/74bmw -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Finally took the test — I got the result map right away after finishing. I grew up in Tampa (my parents grew up in northern New Jersey and in the Detroit area), and have lived in the Chicago area and the Pittsburgh area, and have now lived in Los Angeles for almost 15 years… …so my most similar cities are Milwaukee, Madison, and Salt Lake City. I’ve been to those two Wisconsin cities a couple of times each, briefly, but that’s it. However, Los Angeles is also fairly dark red for me, so I’ll take it. (Tampa and Chicago are both orange, and, as I knew, I didn’t pick up ANY Pittsburghese while I lived there.) -- Jim Ellwanger train...@ellwanger.tv http://www.ellwanger.tv -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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MelissaP, to moi: Third time, still no answer(s). I suspect that in my case, there are no answers. Although I’ve now lived in the Washington, DC area most of my life, I was born and raised in the Deep South – to European parents. Next stop... however you clear cache / temp. internet files / whatever you call it on a Mac. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On Dec 22, 2013, at 8:45 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone has taken or decides to take it, I would be interested in a quick report on how close it got to identifying your city, and if it was closer to where you grew up or currently live (if different): Grew up and went to college in Wisconsin, south of Milwaukee, then moved to the Bay Area in California in 1989. It told me that based on my dialect, it predicted somewhere near Milwaukee, Madison, or Rockford, Illinois. So, eerily correct, in spite of my observation that most of my answers were broadly shared across the country and very few were' hot' only in Wisconsin. -Keith -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
