Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC mulling LIVE sitcom
The Voice is shot at Universal City, which is now where NBC is as they've pretty much moved out of Burbank (although Days may still be taped there). It has moved all over the place before sticking at Universal, including Los Angeles Center (where Mad Men is filmed), Warner Bros. and Sony (where they used the Irving Thalberg Building on the lot as their studio front door). X Factor was shot at CBS TV CIty, as was Rising Star. America's Got Talent is done from Radio City Music Hall, after one year at the New Jersey Performing Arts Center in Newark, TV City and Paramount for the first season with Regis. Mark Jeffries Saints Spotlight Editor spotligh...@gmail.com On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:19 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:53 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:40 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: But I assume doing this on a weekly basis would be cost prohibitive, as it would require the entire crew (not just the cast) to work very long and late hours for 22 weeks (or however many episodes they do these days). I would think that 30 Rock either got special permission or had to pay overtime (or probably both) - and while I guess there are savings in doing a live show from not having all the post-production and editing, I doubt that it is enough to make up for the extra cost. I was unhappy with just this un-supported assumption and did a little bit of surfing to try to find out if live production of a tv series actually does cost more than doing it on tape, but I could not find much. The most definitive I found about it either way was this rather vague quote from Tiny Fey: NBC asked us to do it a second time, so we were like, 'Oh yes, sure!' It's really fun to do and I didn't think they would ask to do it again because I think it costs a lot of money. http://www.eonline.com/news/311766/30-rock-s-big-live-episode-tina-fey-and-tracy-morgan-dish-on-guest-stars-and-surprises Per Wikipedia, the 30 Rock live shows were done from 8H and the regular episodes at Silvercup Studios in Long Island City. I don't know if there were any of the regular sets that were moved or recreated there for the live shows, but that alone seems like it would be a substantial cost for their live shows that wouldn't apply for a series that was set up from the start to be broadcast live. As a side note, is there anywhere that's actively producing live network TV shows right now other than CBS Television City? I know American Idol and DWTS are there, but I'm not sure about The Voice or the live eps of The X-Factor. -- David J. Lynch djly...@gmail.com -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC mulling LIVE sitcom
Mark Jeffries, to David Lynch and PGage: The Voice is shot at Universal City, which is now where NBC is as they've pretty much moved out of Burbank (although Days may still be taped there). It is... the Access shows, too. B -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 AM, M-D November mdnovem...@gmail.com wrote: Why wouldn't it be possible to do two 30-minute shows in one four hour stretch? The live 30 Rock episodes were performed twice each night. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 AM, M-D November mdnovem...@gmail.com wrote: Why wouldn't it be possible to do two 30-minute shows in one four hour stretch? The live 30 Rock episodes were performed twice each night. Yes, on two occasions 30 Rock did two per night, as did ER on one occasion, and a few others in recent years, so of course it is possible to do two performances of the same show on the same night for ET/CT and PT. But I assume doing this on a weekly basis would be cost prohibitive, as it would require the entire crew (not just the cast) to work very long and late hours for 22 weeks (or however many episodes they do these days). I would think that 30 Rock either got special permission or had to pay overtime (or probably both) - and while I guess there are savings in doing a live show from not having all the post-production and editing, I doubt that it is enough to make up for the extra cost. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC mulling LIVE sitcom
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:40 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: But I assume doing this on a weekly basis would be cost prohibitive, as it would require the entire crew (not just the cast) to work very long and late hours for 22 weeks (or however many episodes they do these days). I would think that 30 Rock either got special permission or had to pay overtime (or probably both) - and while I guess there are savings in doing a live show from not having all the post-production and editing, I doubt that it is enough to make up for the extra cost. I was unhappy with just this un-supported assumption and did a little bit of surfing to try to find out if live production of a tv series actually does cost more than doing it on tape, but I could not find much. The most definitive I found about it either way was this rather vague quote from Tiny Fey: NBC asked us to do it a second time, so we were like, 'Oh yes, sure!' It's really fun to do and I didn't think they would ask to do it again because I think it costs a lot of money. http://www.eonline.com/news/311766/30-rock-s-big-live-episode-tina-fey-and-tracy-morgan-dish-on-guest-stars-and-surprises -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC mulling LIVE sitcom
But the idea of overtime also presumes an east coast shooting schedule. Remember, 30Rock's FIRST live show didn't start until well into prime time, and the west coast airing would have started at close to midnight eastern. You bet your ass that's golden time for anyone in a union. But doing two shows on the west coast, especially if there's no other shooting during the week? That might be workable. But there's live, and then there's live. There's no reason why a show couldn't shoot live to tape, much the same way the late night shows do it. It'll be cheaper, because the union crews wouldn't have to work until ungodly hours of the night, and the only reason to do a second run through for tape is if the first one has a major flaw. But the sprit of the thing is the same - rehearse for a week, perform the show on the day it airs, send it up to the satellite. You could tell the home audience it was 'live' (and throw a very small 'portions prerecorded' credit in somewhere) and they'd never know the difference. On Monday, September 8, 2014 12:40:25 PM UTC-4, PGage wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Jon Delfin jond...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 AM, M-D November mdnov...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Why wouldn't it be possible to do two 30-minute shows in one four hour stretch? The live 30 Rock episodes were performed twice each night. Yes, on two occasions 30 Rock did two per night, as did ER on one occasion, and a few others in recent years, so of course it is possible to do two performances of the same show on the same night for ET/CT and PT. But I assume doing this on a weekly basis would be cost prohibitive, as it would require the entire crew (not just the cast) to work very long and late hours for 22 weeks (or however many episodes they do these days). I would think that 30 Rock either got special permission or had to pay overtime (or probably both) - and while I guess there are savings in doing a live show from not having all the post-production and editing, I doubt that it is enough to make up for the extra cost. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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It's interesting that the supposition earlier in the thread was that The Soup was cheaper live. I suspect that it cost the same amount in fact. You still need editors to put the clips together and that's easily the biggest job in that show. They probably just did it live to create a bit of buzz, some social media traction and fun. I'm not knowledgeable enough on US crew union practices to know how much working late costs. But enough shows have night shoots to know that it's not cost prohibitive. It's only overtime if those weren't your contractual hours. And I'd always assumed that talk shows taped early for the convenience of guests and particularly the host rather than the crew. Anyway, I'm just imagining 'Hank' saying Live - on tape - from Hollywood... On 8 Sep 2014 19:00, M-D November mdnovem...@gmail.com wrote: But the idea of overtime also presumes an east coast shooting schedule. Remember, 30Rock's FIRST live show didn't start until well into prime time, and the west coast airing would have started at close to midnight eastern. You bet your ass that's golden time for anyone in a union. But doing two shows on the west coast, especially if there's no other shooting during the week? That might be workable. But there's live, and then there's live. There's no reason why a show couldn't shoot live to tape, much the same way the late night shows do it. It'll be cheaper, because the union crews wouldn't have to work until ungodly hours of the night, and the only reason to do a second run through for tape is if the first one has a major flaw. But the sprit of the thing is the same - rehearse for a week, perform the show on the day it airs, send it up to the satellite. You could tell the home audience it was 'live' (and throw a very small 'portions prerecorded' credit in somewhere) and they'd never know the difference. On Monday, September 8, 2014 12:40:25 PM UTC-4, PGage wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Jon Delfin jond...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 AM, M-D November mdnov...@gmail.com wrote: Why wouldn't it be possible to do two 30-minute shows in one four hour stretch? The live 30 Rock episodes were performed twice each night. Yes, on two occasions 30 Rock did two per night, as did ER on one occasion, and a few others in recent years, so of course it is possible to do two performances of the same show on the same night for ET/CT and PT. But I assume doing this on a weekly basis would be cost prohibitive, as it would require the entire crew (not just the cast) to work very long and late hours for 22 weeks (or however many episodes they do these days). I would think that 30 Rock either got special permission or had to pay overtime (or probably both) - and while I guess there are savings in doing a live show from not having all the post-production and editing, I doubt that it is enough to make up for the extra cost. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC mulling LIVE sitcom
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:53 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:40 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote: But I assume doing this on a weekly basis would be cost prohibitive, as it would require the entire crew (not just the cast) to work very long and late hours for 22 weeks (or however many episodes they do these days). I would think that 30 Rock either got special permission or had to pay overtime (or probably both) - and while I guess there are savings in doing a live show from not having all the post-production and editing, I doubt that it is enough to make up for the extra cost. I was unhappy with just this un-supported assumption and did a little bit of surfing to try to find out if live production of a tv series actually does cost more than doing it on tape, but I could not find much. The most definitive I found about it either way was this rather vague quote from Tiny Fey: NBC asked us to do it a second time, so we were like, 'Oh yes, sure!' It's really fun to do and I didn't think they would ask to do it again because I think it costs a lot of money. http://www.eonline.com/news/311766/30-rock-s-big-live-episode-tina-fey-and-tracy-morgan-dish-on-guest-stars-and-surprises Per Wikipedia, the 30 Rock live shows were done from 8H and the regular episodes at Silvercup Studios in Long Island City. I don't know if there were any of the regular sets that were moved or recreated there for the live shows, but that alone seems like it would be a substantial cost for their live shows that wouldn't apply for a series that was set up from the start to be broadcast live. As a side note, is there anywhere that's actively producing live network TV shows right now other than CBS Television City? I know American Idol and DWTS are there, but I'm not sure about The Voice or the live eps of The X-Factor. -- David J. Lynch djly...@gmail.com -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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M-D made a comment of perform the show on the day it airs, send it up to the satellite. which made me wonder in the new-age world of fibre, how often is satellite used in comparison to fibre nowadays? comments from Ben Scripps perhaps? anyone else in the know? or opinion? (since this is the Internet, I know that opinion becomes truthiness). On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 2:00 PM, M-D November mdnovem...@gmail.com wrote: But the idea of overtime also presumes an east coast shooting schedule. Remember, 30Rock's FIRST live show didn't start until well into prime time, and the west coast airing would have started at close to midnight eastern. You bet your ass that's golden time for anyone in a union. But doing two shows on the west coast, especially if there's no other shooting during the week? That might be workable. But there's live, and then there's live. There's no reason why a show couldn't shoot live to tape, much the same way the late night shows do it. It'll be cheaper, because the union crews wouldn't have to work until ungodly hours of the night, and the only reason to do a second run through for tape is if the first one has a major flaw. But the sprit of the thing is the same - rehearse for a week, perform the show on the day it airs, send it up to the satellite. You could tell the home audience it was 'live' (and throw a very small 'portions prerecorded' credit in somewhere) and they'd never know the difference. On Monday, September 8, 2014 12:40:25 PM UTC-4, PGage wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 4:52 AM, Jon Delfin jond...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 12:04 AM, M-D November mdnov...@gmail.com wrote: Why wouldn't it be possible to do two 30-minute shows in one four hour stretch? The live 30 Rock episodes were performed twice each night. Yes, on two occasions 30 Rock did two per night, as did ER on one occasion, and a few others in recent years, so of course it is possible to do two performances of the same show on the same night for ET/CT and PT. But I assume doing this on a weekly basis would be cost prohibitive, as it would require the entire crew (not just the cast) to work very long and late hours for 22 weeks (or however many episodes they do these days). I would think that 30 Rock either got special permission or had to pay overtime (or probably both) - and while I guess there are savings in doing a live show from not having all the post-production and editing, I doubt that it is enough to make up for the extra cost. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC mulling LIVE sitcom
Yes, I imagine transporting/recreating certain sets in Studio 8H (Jack's office, most notably) would have created extra expense for the 30Rock live shows. But a show designed to go live each week wouldn't have that issue. The Voice goes live (in the east) once they're into their audience voting episodes (referred to creatively as the live shows); IIRC, X Factor US was cancelled. On Monday, September 8, 2014 2:19:20 PM UTC-4, djl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 11:53 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 9:40 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: But I assume doing this on a weekly basis would be cost prohibitive, as it would require the entire crew (not just the cast) to work very long and late hours for 22 weeks (or however many episodes they do these days). I would think that 30 Rock either got special permission or had to pay overtime (or probably both) - and while I guess there are savings in doing a live show from not having all the post-production and editing, I doubt that it is enough to make up for the extra cost. I was unhappy with just this un-supported assumption and did a little bit of surfing to try to find out if live production of a tv series actually does cost more than doing it on tape, but I could not find much. The most definitive I found about it either way was this rather vague quote from Tiny Fey: NBC asked us to do it a second time, so we were like, 'Oh yes, sure!' It's really fun to do and I didn't think they would ask to do it again because I think it costs a lot of money. http://www.eonline.com/news/311766/30-rock-s-big-live-episode-tina-fey-and-tracy-morgan-dish-on-guest-stars-and-surprises Per Wikipedia, the 30 Rock live shows were done from 8H and the regular episodes at Silvercup Studios in Long Island City. I don't know if there were any of the regular sets that were moved or recreated there for the live shows, but that alone seems like it would be a substantial cost for their live shows that wouldn't apply for a series that was set up from the start to be broadcast live. As a side note, is there anywhere that's actively producing live network TV shows right now other than CBS Television City? I know American Idol and DWTS are there, but I'm not sure about The Voice or the live eps of The X-Factor. -- David J. Lynch djl...@gmail.com javascript: -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:24 PM, Doug Eastick east...@mcd.on.ca wrote: M-D made a comment of perform the show on the day it airs, send it up to the satellite. which made me wonder in the new-age world of fibre, how often is satellite used in comparison to fibre nowadays? I wish I were in a position to offer a better generalized assessment, but all I can do is tell you what it’s like here in small-market world. Fibre isn’t everywhere yet, though it’s getting there. For us, we still get all programming via satellite. The difference now is that it’s almost exclusively file-based rather than video. The days of any yahoo with a C-band dish in his backyard being able to watch the 1600ET feed of “Entertainment Tonight” are well and truly gone; PitchBlue handles content distribution, both for programming and national advertising. Their box downloads the video file, transcodes it into MPEG4, and hands it off to our playback system along with a cue sheet to segment it for local insertion. No tapes, no generation loss, pure digital from start to finish, but it all still comes down over satellite. As far as actual live content (i.e. sporting events, etc), that’s definitely all still satellite. Me, I’m still trying to get over the fact that satellite for local news gathering is going the way of the dinosaur and being replaced with cellular transmitters. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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But this is the way TV used to be done on a regular basis - at least in Britain. Early episodes of The Avengers for example were made live. Actors had to learn their lines and rehearse properly. It's technically restricting though - using commercial breaks to get actors from set to set. On the other hand teleprompters and hidden earpieces can help overcome any blanking that actors suffer. I still think like any project the idea should come first and the technical means of making it should follow. On 7 Sep 2014 05:23, Ben Scripps b...@benscripps.com wrote: On Sep 6, 2014, at 11:15 PM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it succeeding. I understand why a network would find the idea attractive, people are more likely to watch TV done live in real time. And doing it live sets it apart from other sitcoms. But outside of SNL shows have done live episodes only as a sweeps gimmick. Doing it week after week is another story. FWIW, Fox tried it in 1992-93; after a sweeps gimmick live episode was well-received, the entire second season of “Roc” was done live to the east coast. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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E!'s The Soup has done a live format all summer, and I say it's been pretty mixed. I like some of the weird energy, but many of their bits have gone south and not recovered. I assume they've been doing it because it's cheaper, since they don't have to pay editors, just a director. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Adam Bowie a...@adambowie.co.uk wrote: But this is the way TV used to be done on a regular basis - at least in Britain. Early episodes of The Avengers for example were made live. Actors had to learn their lines and rehearse properly. It's technically restricting though - using commercial breaks to get actors from set to set. On the other hand teleprompters and hidden earpieces can help overcome any blanking that actors suffer. I still think like any project the idea should come first and the technical means of making it should follow. On 7 Sep 2014 05:23, Ben Scripps b...@benscripps.com wrote: On Sep 6, 2014, at 11:15 PM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it succeeding. I understand why a network would find the idea attractive, people are more likely to watch TV done live in real time. And doing it live sets it apart from other sitcoms. But outside of SNL shows have done live episodes only as a sweeps gimmick. Doing it week after week is another story. FWIW, Fox tried it in 1992-93; after a sweeps gimmick live episode was well-received, the entire second season of “Roc” was done live to the east coast. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Ben Scripps b...@benscripps.com wrote: FWIW, Fox tried it in 1992-93; after a sweeps gimmick live episode was well-received, the entire second season of “Roc” was done live to the east coast. And like Roc, one problem with doing a weekly show live is the big Fuck You! it represents to the west coast; few things are more deflating than watching a show whose main claim to fame is that it is Live! Live! Live! three hours later on tape. I don't think I have ever seen SNL really live, and I think on the west coast that show has mostly stood or fallen on how funny it is, without the added sense of excitement and danger that was, at least originally, supposed to be part of its live format. Out here we know anything really dangerous or outrageous will get cut before we see it. The special episodes of ER and 30 Rock and the like did two live shows each night to solve this problem, but obviously that is not possible on a regular basis. That said, I am all for them giving this a try. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Adam Bowie a...@adambowie.co.uk wrote: But this is the way TV used to be done on a regular basis - at least in Britain. Early episodes of The Avengers for example were made live. Actors had to learn their lines and rehearse properly. It's technically restricting though - using commercial breaks to get actors from set to set. On the other hand teleprompters and hidden earpieces can help overcome any blanking that actors suffer. I still think like any project the idea should come first and the technical means of making it should follow. It's the way TV was done everywhere before videotape became ubiquitous. But the adult audience was brought up on stage entertainment at the time and mistakes or uneven patches were within audience expectations. Today the audience is brought up on TV shows that have been honed to perfection and they have remote controls to boot. The audience will have no patience for a show that bombs with its studio audience or gets sloppy with camera blocking. Home viewers will click away or delete their season passes. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: Today the audience is brought up on TV shows that have been honed to perfection and they have remote controls to boot. The audience will have no patience for a show that bombs with its studio audience or gets sloppy with camera blocking. Home viewers will click away or delete their season passes. I think Hot In Cleveland pulls off their occasional live episodes quite well but it's obvious when Betty White drops or flubs her line why Georgia Engel is standing by to make it right before the next actor has to react. Without Betty, they could possibly go live every week. I mean, I would stop watching immediately if Betty ever left the show, but technically the cast is up to the challenge. -- Ed Dravecky Dallas, Texas -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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It seems like the one thing everybody agrees on is that live TV is harder, and the one thing many seem to be agreeing on is they doubt NBC's ability to staff a team talented enough to pull it off on a weekly basis (as evidenced weekly by Saturday Night Live). If they want to attempt live TV in prime time where ratings matter and advertisers pay attention, I say bring on the train wreck. Live TV means viewers will get to see the network go down in flames instead of reading about it later as people write their autobiographies trying to cast blame on anybody but themselves. On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Ed Dravecky drave...@gmail.com wrote: Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: Today the audience is brought up on TV shows that have been honed to perfection and they have remote controls to boot. The audience will have no patience for a show that bombs with its studio audience or gets sloppy with camera blocking. Home viewers will click away or delete their season passes. I think Hot In Cleveland pulls off their occasional live episodes quite well but it's obvious when Betty White drops or flubs her line why Georgia Engel is standing by to make it right before the next actor has to react. Without Betty, they could possibly go live every week. I mean, I would stop watching immediately if Betty ever left the show, but technically the cast is up to the challenge. -- Ed Dravecky Dallas, Texas -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Kevin M. (RPCV) -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Why wouldn't it be possible to do two 30-minute shows in one four hour stretch? Any actor who's done summer stock or shows in rep would probably disagree. Remove the need to tape edit, and take into account that scripts would still be completed as though they were being pretaped (read: weeks/months in advance of air), and there's no reason why a solid group of actors couldn't knock out two runs of the same episode in one night, even when rehearsing for the next one. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: Lost amid all the Joan Rivers stuff: Chris Moynihan (*100 Questions*), who already has another comedy on the Peacock's docket, would team with *Hollywood Game Night*'s Sean Hayes and Todd Milliner on *Hospitality*, out of Universal, which follows the staff of a midtown NY hotel... Nellie http://deadline.com/2014/09/chris-moynihan-hotel-comedy-hazy-mills-nbc-828976/ (link) I don't see it succeeding. I understand why a network would find the idea attractive, people are more likely to watch TV done live in real time. And doing it live sets it apart from other sitcoms. But outside of SNL shows have done live episodes only as a sweeps gimmick. Doing it week after week is another story. There are two reasons I think it won't succeed. One is that people become loyal to sitcoms every week because they become attached to the characters and can get into the stories. That conceivably could happen with a sitcom done live but the attraction of live is the concept of working without a net, being entertained by things going wrong. The second reason is that it's multi-camera. Multi-camera tapings are known for being stop-and-start affairs where the director will stop a take if a joke gets no audience response, then the writers will try to improve the joke, and they will do a new take. On a live showa failed joke will just sit there. And an actor could kill a joke through a bad reading or missed timing. The audience response could throw the cast off for the rest of the show. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Not to mention the logistics of learning a new episode's lines and less than a week's rehersals. Actors in theater have weeks to rehearse. You can use any SNL episode as evidence of how stiff the final product looks, as the players read their lines directly from the off-camera cue cards. I have my doubts about the viability of the proposal as well. Doug Fields Tampa, FL Original Message Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] NBC mulling LIVE sitcom From: Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com Date: Sep 6, 2014 11:15 PM To: TV or not TV tvornottv@googlegroups.com CC: On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Bob Jersey bob.in.jer...@juno.com wrote: Lost amid all the Joan Rivers stuff: Chris Moynihan (*100 Questions*), who already has another comedy on the Peacock's docket, would team with *Hollywood Game Night*'s Sean Hayes and Todd Milliner on *Hospitality*, out of Universal, which follows the staff of a midtown NY hotel... Nellie http://deadline.com/2014/09/chris-moynihan-hotel-comedy-hazy-mills-nbc-828976/ (link) I don't see it succeeding. I understand why a network would find the idea attractive, people are more likely to watch TV done live in real time. And doing it live sets it apart from other sitcoms. But outside of SNL shows have done live episodes only as a sweeps gimmick. Doing it week after week is another story. There are two reasons I think it won't succeed. One is that people become loyal to sitcoms every week because they become attached to the characters and can get into the stories. That conceivably could happen with a sitcom done live but the attraction of live is the concept of working without a net, being entertained by things going wrong. The second reason is that it's multi-camera. Multi-camera tapings are known for being stop-and-start affairs where the director will stop a take if a joke gets no audience response, then the writers will try to improve the joke, and they will do a new take. On a live showa failed joke will just sit there. And an actor could kill a joke through a bad reading or missed timing. The audience response could throw the cast off for the rest of the show. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Sep 6, 2014, at 11:15 PM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it succeeding. I understand why a network would find the idea attractive, people are more likely to watch TV done live in real time. And doing it live sets it apart from other sitcoms. But outside of SNL shows have done live episodes only as a sweeps gimmick. Doing it week after week is another story. FWIW, Fox tried it in 1992-93; after a sweeps gimmick live episode was well-received, the entire second season of “Roc” was done live to the east coast. -- -- TV or Not TV The Smartest (TV) People! You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TV or Not TV group. To post to this group, send email to tvornottv@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to tvornottv-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tvornottv?hl=en --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TVorNotTV group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tvornottv+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
