Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over reversing Weinstein convictoin

2024-04-25 Thread Tom Wolper 
Retrying him will be a DA’s or AG’s call and they’re elected offices. If
there’s no blowback to declining to prosecute the case again they might let
it go.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 9:54 PM David Risner  wrote:

> My big question is, why spend all that money retrying him when he's
> already going to die in prison for other convictions?
>
> Let him rot away like the worm he is and don't let him have any more
> control over anyone else's lives.
>
>
>
> --
> David Risner
> --
> *From:* PGage 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 25, 2024 4:49 PM
> *To:* tvornottv@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over
> reversing Weinstein convictoin
>
> I agree with the Court of Appeals, but I don’t think the fault lies with
> the NY Prosecutors, but the trial judge. Even then, it was a close call,
> and the Appeals court was closely and bitterly divided. I do think when
> things are that close the decision should be in favor of the defendant.
>
> Weinstein will still do his time in California, even if they decide not to
> retry him in NY.
>
>
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 2:53 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Could somebody get the NY prosecutors a refresher course in proper
>> courtroom procedure? Either that or make them wear shirts in public with
>> the words “I help sexual predators get out of prison” printed on them?
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 2:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Front page" at V... the panel ruled 4-3 for Weinstein, finding that the
>>> NY judge prejudicially allowed women to testify about allegations that
>>> weren't in the original case (he remains jailed, as an appeal is
>>> planned)... the issue of "prior bad acts" also led to the overturning of
>>> Bill Cosby's case, tho on different grounds...
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-rape-conviction-overturned-new-york-1235981890/
>>>  (link)
>>> Next stop, California, where the defense plans to make a comparable case
>>> for tossing that conviction...
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-prison-overturned-conviction-explained-1235982257/
>>>  (link)
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:54:16 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly four years after Harvey Weinstein was convicted
>>>> of rape
>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-harvey-weinstein-sexual-assault-ca-state-wire-us-news-67057b46fcd3f1183cf6a699a399c886>
>>>>  and
>>>> sent to prison, New York’s highest court appeared torn at oral arguments
>>>> Wednesday about potentially overturning the landmark #MeToo-era verdict.
>>>>
>>>> Weinstein’s lawyers urged the state’s Court of Appeals to dismiss the
>>>> disgraced movie mogul’s 2020 conviction, arguing that the trial judge,
>>>> James Burke, trampled his right to a fair trial
>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/legal-proceedings-new-york-city-crime-metoo-manhattan-f20f473c61d348719cf7b269932419ca>
>>>>  with
>>>> pro-prosecution rulings that turned the trial into “1-800-GET-HARVEY.”
>>>>
>>>> “It was his character that was on trial. It wasn’t the evidence that
>>>> was on trial,” Weinstein's lawyer Arthur Aidala told the seven-member court
>>>> in Albany.
>>>>
>>>> Weinstein, 71, was convicted of a criminal sex act for forcibly
>>>> performing oral sex on a TV and film production assistant in 2006 and rape
>>>> in the third degree for an attack on an aspiring actress in 2013. He was 
>>>> sentenced
>>>> to 23 years in prison
>>>> <https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/weinstein-sentenced-to-23-years-for-sexual-assaults>.
>>>> Last year, he was convicted in Los Angeles
>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/harvey-weinstein-verdict-los-angeles-rape-trial-1a3a9db4e4589a9e0fb03214bc01fecf>
>>>>  of
>>>> another rape and sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison
>>>> <https://apnews.com/article/harvey-weinstein-sentencing-los-angeles-c287c5fe310c1f125086207be2916a3e>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> A lawyer for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which prosecuted
>>>> Weinstein’s New York case, told the appeals court that Burke's rulings were
>>>

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over reversing Weinstein convictoin

2024-04-25 Thread David Risner 
My big question is, why spend all that money retrying him when he's already 
going to die in prison for other convictions?


Let him rot away like the worm he is and don't let him have any more control 
over anyone else's lives.




--
David Risner

From: PGage 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2024 4:49 PM
To: tvornottv@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over reversing 
Weinstein convictoin

I agree with the Court of Appeals, but I don’t think the fault lies with the NY 
Prosecutors, but the trial judge. Even then, it was a close call, and the 
Appeals court was closely and bitterly divided. I do think when things are that 
close the decision should be in favor of the defendant.

Weinstein will still do his time in California, even if they decide not to 
retry him in NY.



Sent from Gmail Mobile


On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 2:53 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
> Could somebody get the NY prosecutors a refresher course in proper courtroom 
> procedure? Either that or make them wear shirts in public with the words “I 
> help sexual predators get out of prison” printed on them? 
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 2:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
>  wrote:
>>
>> "Front page" at V... the panel ruled 4-3 for Weinstein, finding that the NY 
>> judge prejudicially allowed women to testify about allegations that weren't 
>> in the original case (he remains jailed, as an appeal is planned)... the 
>> issue of "prior bad acts" also led to the overturning of Bill Cosby's case, 
>> tho on different grounds...
>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-rape-conviction-overturned-new-york-1235981890/
>>  (link)
>> Next stop, California, where the defense plans to make a comparable case for 
>> tossing that conviction...
>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-prison-overturned-conviction-explained-1235982257/
>>  (link)
>> B
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:54:16 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly four years after Harvey Weinstein was convicted of 
>>> rape and sent to prison, New York’s highest court appeared torn at oral 
>>> arguments Wednesday about potentially overturning the landmark #MeToo-era 
>>> verdict.
>>>
>>> Weinstein’s lawyers urged the state’s Court of Appeals to dismiss the 
>>> disgraced movie mogul’s 2020 conviction, arguing that the trial judge, 
>>> James Burke, trampled his right to a fair trial with pro-prosecution 
>>> rulings that turned the trial into “1-800-GET-HARVEY.”
>>>
>>> “It was his character that was on trial. It wasn’t the evidence that was on 
>>> trial,” Weinstein's lawyer Arthur Aidala told the seven-member court in 
>>> Albany.
>>>
>>> Weinstein, 71, was convicted of a criminal sex act for forcibly performing 
>>> oral sex on a TV and film production assistant in 2006 and rape in the 
>>> third degree for an attack on an aspiring actress in 2013. He was sentenced 
>>> to 23 years in prison. Last year, he was convicted in Los Angeles of 
>>> another rape and sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison.
>>>
>>> A lawyer for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which prosecuted 
>>> Weinstein’s New York case, told the appeals court that Burke's rulings were 
>>> proper and the conviction should stand.
>>>
>>> Weinstein’s lawyers want a new trial, but only for the criminal sexual act 
>>> charge. They argue the rape charge can’t be retried because it involves 
>>> alleged conduct outside the statute of limitations. Reversing the verdict 
>>> would reopen a painful chapter in America’s reckoning with sexual 
>>> misconduct by powerful figures. The court is unlikely to rule immediately.
>>>
>>> If the Court of Appeals were to rule in Weinstein's favor, he would remain 
>>> locked up because of his California conviction. Weinstein did not attend 
>>> the arguments but was said to be monitoring a livestream from the state 
>>> prison where he is incarcerated, Mohawk Correctional Facility, about 100 
>>> miles (160 kilometers) northwest of Albany.
>>>
>>> Allegations against Weinstein, the once powerful and feared studio boss 
>>> behind such Oscar winners as “Pulp Fiction” and “Shakespeare in Love,” 
>>> ushered in the #MeToo movement. His New York trial drew intense publicity, 
>>> with protesters chanting “rapist” outside the courthouse.
>>>
>>> Weinstein maintains his innocence. He contends any sexual activit

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over reversing Weinstein convictoin

2024-04-25 Thread Kevin M. 
Yeah, the appellate court made the only decision they could make, and the
trial judge allowed the stupidity, but the prosecution never should have
done it.

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 4:49 PM PGage  wrote:

> I agree with the Court of Appeals, but I don’t think the fault lies with
> the NY Prosecutors, but the trial judge. Even then, it was a close call,
> and the Appeals court was closely and bitterly divided. I do think when
> things are that close the decision should be in favor of the defendant.
>
> Weinstein will still do his time in California, even if they decide not to
> retry him in NY.
>
>
>
> Sent from Gmail Mobile
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 2:53 PM Kevin M.  wrote:
>
>> Could somebody get the NY prosecutors a refresher course in proper
>> courtroom procedure? Either that or make them wear shirts in public with
>> the words “I help sexual predators get out of prison” printed on them?
>>
>> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 2:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Front page" at V... the panel ruled 4-3 for Weinstein, finding that the
>>> NY judge prejudicially allowed women to testify about allegations that
>>> weren't in the original case (he remains jailed, as an appeal is
>>> planned)... the issue of "prior bad acts" also led to the overturning of
>>> Bill Cosby's case, tho on different grounds...
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-rape-conviction-overturned-new-york-1235981890/
>>>  (link)
>>> Next stop, California, where the defense plans to make a comparable case
>>> for tossing that conviction...
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-prison-overturned-conviction-explained-1235982257/
>>>  (link)
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:54:16 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly four years after Harvey Weinstein was convicted
 of rape
 
  and
 sent to prison, New York’s highest court appeared torn at oral arguments
 Wednesday about potentially overturning the landmark #MeToo-era verdict.

 Weinstein’s lawyers urged the state’s Court of Appeals to dismiss the
 disgraced movie mogul’s 2020 conviction, arguing that the trial judge,
 James Burke, trampled his right to a fair trial
 
  with
 pro-prosecution rulings that turned the trial into “1-800-GET-HARVEY.”

 “It was his character that was on trial. It wasn’t the evidence that
 was on trial,” Weinstein's lawyer Arthur Aidala told the seven-member court
 in Albany.

 Weinstein, 71, was convicted of a criminal sex act for forcibly
 performing oral sex on a TV and film production assistant in 2006 and rape
 in the third degree for an attack on an aspiring actress in 2013. He was 
 sentenced
 to 23 years in prison
 .
 Last year, he was convicted in Los Angeles
 
  of
 another rape and sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison
 
 .

 A lawyer for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which prosecuted
 Weinstein’s New York case, told the appeals court that Burke's rulings were
 proper and the conviction should stand.

 Weinstein’s lawyers want a new trial, but only for the criminal sexual
 act charge. They argue the rape charge can’t be retried because it involves
 alleged conduct outside the statute of limitations. Reversing the verdict
 would reopen a painful chapter in America’s reckoning with sexual
 misconduct by powerful figures. The court is unlikely to rule immediately.

 If the Court of Appeals were to rule in Weinstein's favor, he would
 remain locked up because of his California conviction. Weinstein did not
 attend the arguments but was said to be monitoring a livestream from the
 state prison where he is incarcerated, Mohawk Correctional Facility, about
 100 miles (160 kilometers) northwest of Albany.

 Allegations against Weinstein, the once powerful and feared studio boss
 behind such Oscar winners as “Pulp Fiction” and “Shakespeare in Love,” 
 ushered
 in the #MeToo movement
 .
 His New York trial drew intense publicity, with protesters chanting
 “rapist” outside the courthouse

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over reversing Weinstein convictoin

2024-04-25 Thread PGage 
I agree with the Court of Appeals, but I don’t think the fault lies with
the NY Prosecutors, but the trial judge. Even then, it was a close call,
and the Appeals court was closely and bitterly divided. I do think when
things are that close the decision should be in favor of the defendant.

Weinstein will still do his time in California, even if they decide not to
retry him in NY.



Sent from Gmail Mobile


On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 at 2:53 PM Kevin M.  wrote:

> Could somebody get the NY prosecutors a refresher course in proper
> courtroom procedure? Either that or make them wear shirts in public with
> the words “I help sexual predators get out of prison” printed on them?
>
> Kevin M. (RPCV)
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 2:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> "Front page" at V... the panel ruled 4-3 for Weinstein, finding that the
>> NY judge prejudicially allowed women to testify about allegations that
>> weren't in the original case (he remains jailed, as an appeal is
>> planned)... the issue of "prior bad acts" also led to the overturning of
>> Bill Cosby's case, tho on different grounds...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-rape-conviction-overturned-new-york-1235981890/
>>  (link)
>> Next stop, California, where the defense plans to make a comparable case
>> for tossing that conviction...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-prison-overturned-conviction-explained-1235982257/
>>  (link)
>> B
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:54:16 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly four years after Harvey Weinstein was convicted
>>> of rape
>>> 
>>>  and
>>> sent to prison, New York’s highest court appeared torn at oral arguments
>>> Wednesday about potentially overturning the landmark #MeToo-era verdict.
>>>
>>> Weinstein’s lawyers urged the state’s Court of Appeals to dismiss the
>>> disgraced movie mogul’s 2020 conviction, arguing that the trial judge,
>>> James Burke, trampled his right to a fair trial
>>> 
>>>  with
>>> pro-prosecution rulings that turned the trial into “1-800-GET-HARVEY.”
>>>
>>> “It was his character that was on trial. It wasn’t the evidence that was
>>> on trial,” Weinstein's lawyer Arthur Aidala told the seven-member court in
>>> Albany.
>>>
>>> Weinstein, 71, was convicted of a criminal sex act for forcibly
>>> performing oral sex on a TV and film production assistant in 2006 and rape
>>> in the third degree for an attack on an aspiring actress in 2013. He was 
>>> sentenced
>>> to 23 years in prison
>>> .
>>> Last year, he was convicted in Los Angeles
>>> 
>>>  of
>>> another rape and sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> A lawyer for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which prosecuted
>>> Weinstein’s New York case, told the appeals court that Burke's rulings were
>>> proper and the conviction should stand.
>>>
>>> Weinstein’s lawyers want a new trial, but only for the criminal sexual
>>> act charge. They argue the rape charge can’t be retried because it involves
>>> alleged conduct outside the statute of limitations. Reversing the verdict
>>> would reopen a painful chapter in America’s reckoning with sexual
>>> misconduct by powerful figures. The court is unlikely to rule immediately.
>>>
>>> If the Court of Appeals were to rule in Weinstein's favor, he would
>>> remain locked up because of his California conviction. Weinstein did not
>>> attend the arguments but was said to be monitoring a livestream from the
>>> state prison where he is incarcerated, Mohawk Correctional Facility, about
>>> 100 miles (160 kilometers) northwest of Albany.
>>>
>>> Allegations against Weinstein, the once powerful and feared studio boss
>>> behind such Oscar winners as “Pulp Fiction” and “Shakespeare in Love,” 
>>> ushered
>>> in the #MeToo movement
>>> .
>>> His New York trial drew intense publicity, with protesters chanting
>>> “rapist” outside the courthouse
>>> 
>>> .
>>>
>>> Weinstein maintains his innocence. He contends any sexual activity was
>>> consensual.
>>>
>>> His voice booming at times, Aidala argued that Burke swayed the trial
>>> with two key decisions: allowing three women to testify about allegations
>>> that

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: New York appeals court torn over reversing Weinstein convictoin

2024-04-25 Thread Kevin M. 
Could somebody get the NY prosecutors a refresher course in proper
courtroom procedure? Either that or make them wear shirts in public with
the words “I help sexual predators get out of prison” printed on them?

Kevin M. (RPCV)


On Thu, Apr 25, 2024 at 2:48 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> "Front page" at V... the panel ruled 4-3 for Weinstein, finding that the
> NY judge prejudicially allowed women to testify about allegations that
> weren't in the original case (he remains jailed, as an appeal is
> planned)... the issue of "prior bad acts" also led to the overturning of
> Bill Cosby's case, tho on different grounds...
>
> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-rape-conviction-overturned-new-york-1235981890/
>  (link)
> Next stop, California, where the defense plans to make a comparable case
> for tossing that conviction...
>
> https://variety.com/2024/film/news/harvey-weinstein-prison-overturned-conviction-explained-1235982257/
>  (link)
> B
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:54:16 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> NEW YORK (AP) — Nearly four years after Harvey Weinstein was convicted
>> of rape
>> 
>>  and
>> sent to prison, New York’s highest court appeared torn at oral arguments
>> Wednesday about potentially overturning the landmark #MeToo-era verdict.
>>
>> Weinstein’s lawyers urged the state’s Court of Appeals to dismiss the
>> disgraced movie mogul’s 2020 conviction, arguing that the trial judge,
>> James Burke, trampled his right to a fair trial
>> 
>>  with
>> pro-prosecution rulings that turned the trial into “1-800-GET-HARVEY.”
>>
>> “It was his character that was on trial. It wasn’t the evidence that was
>> on trial,” Weinstein's lawyer Arthur Aidala told the seven-member court in
>> Albany.
>>
>> Weinstein, 71, was convicted of a criminal sex act for forcibly
>> performing oral sex on a TV and film production assistant in 2006 and rape
>> in the third degree for an attack on an aspiring actress in 2013. He was 
>> sentenced
>> to 23 years in prison
>> .
>> Last year, he was convicted in Los Angeles
>> 
>>  of
>> another rape and sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison
>> 
>> .
>>
>> A lawyer for the Manhattan district attorney’s office, which prosecuted
>> Weinstein’s New York case, told the appeals court that Burke's rulings were
>> proper and the conviction should stand.
>>
>> Weinstein’s lawyers want a new trial, but only for the criminal sexual
>> act charge. They argue the rape charge can’t be retried because it involves
>> alleged conduct outside the statute of limitations. Reversing the verdict
>> would reopen a painful chapter in America’s reckoning with sexual
>> misconduct by powerful figures. The court is unlikely to rule immediately.
>>
>> If the Court of Appeals were to rule in Weinstein's favor, he would
>> remain locked up because of his California conviction. Weinstein did not
>> attend the arguments but was said to be monitoring a livestream from the
>> state prison where he is incarcerated, Mohawk Correctional Facility, about
>> 100 miles (160 kilometers) northwest of Albany.
>>
>> Allegations against Weinstein, the once powerful and feared studio boss
>> behind such Oscar winners as “Pulp Fiction” and “Shakespeare in Love,” 
>> ushered
>> in the #MeToo movement
>> .
>> His New York trial drew intense publicity, with protesters chanting
>> “rapist” outside the courthouse
>> 
>> .
>>
>> Weinstein maintains his innocence. He contends any sexual activity was
>> consensual.
>>
>> His voice booming at times, Aidala argued that Burke swayed the trial
>> with two key decisions: allowing three women to testify about allegations
>> that weren't part of the case, and granting prosecutors permission to
>> confront him, if he had testified, about his long history of brutish
>> behavior. Aidala also took issue with Burke’s refusal to remove a juror who
>> had written a novel involving predatory older men.
>>
>> Weinstein wanted to testify at his trial, but opted against it because of
>> Burke’s ruling that would've meant answering questions about more than
>> two-dozen alleged acts of misbehavior dating back four decades, including
>> fights with his movie producer brother and an incident