[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
It may sound foolish, but some of us coded our apps a couple years ago, improved them up to production readiness and then released and moved on to something else. Each of these mayor changes would in theory make one reread all this old code and find where one uses whatever you plan to change this time. I do not have that luxury of time. I strongly prefer to spend time with my two kids than fix something that is not broken yet but eventually will. I have recoded the whole app two times to accomodate, and yes I am growing tired of playing this. My kids have not even changed a single tooth and I have coded the whole app 3 times!!! If it is s easy to change to oauth and streaming why don't you release some open source code which implements the old calls using these new capabilities? Then we would just point our old calls to our own server. It's called backwards compatibility. And just like the previous two times, I do not plan to be absent from my kids' life while I redo old code. I will just let it break and *then* the failure points will be obvious. If it fixes in a day I will. Else, end of life, and 80k users get a blog post. And since users have no idea about this, I need an analogy... Dear printing press users: the excessive amount of Bibles you have been printing has created an undue demand of the L O R D letters. As of today we will be supplying a very limited amount of these four letters, but we will be supplying paper that has the word LORD preprinted on it. Please adjust your texts accordingly. On Feb 10, 3:43 pm, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Beginning today, Twitter will no longer grant whitelisting requests. We will continue to allow whitelisting privileges for previously approved applications; however any unanswered requests recently submitted to Twitter will not be granted whitelist access. Twitter whitelisting was originally created as a way to allow developers to request large amounts of data through the REST API. It provided developers with an increase from 150 to 20,000 requests per hour, at a time when the API had few bulk request options and the Streaming API was not yet available. Since then, we've added new, more efficient tools for developers, including lookups, ID lists, authentication and the Streaming API. Instead of whitelisting, developers can use these tools to create applications and integrate with the Twitter platform. As always, we are committed to fostering an ecosystem that delivers value to Twitter users. Access to Twitter APIs scales as an application grows its userbase. With authentication, an application can make 350 GET requests on a user’s behalf every hour. This means that for every user of your service, you can request their timelines, followers, friends, lists and saved searches up to 350 times per hour. Actions such as Tweeting, Favoriting, Retweeting and Following do not count towards this 350 limit. Using authentication on every request is recommended, so that you are not affected by other developers who share an IP address with you. We also want to acknowledge that there are going to be some things that developers want to do that just aren’t supported by the platform. Rather than granting additional privileges to accommodate those requests, we encourage developers to focus on what's possible within the rich variety of integration options already provided. Developers interested in elevated access to the Twitter stream for the purpose of research or analytics can contact our partner Gnip for more information. As always, we are here to answer questions, and help you build applications and services that offer value to users. Ryan -- Ryan Sarver @rsarver -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
I disagree, Abraham. I requested whitelisting for my app because I needed more than 250 DMs per day. Twitter granted my request and my limit was increased considerably. This may be that Twitter did not increase DMs as a default. But at one time, if requested and justified, they would. This is why the questions are being asked about DM limit changes going forward. On Feb 11, 10:12 pm, Abraham Williams 4bra...@gmail.com wrote: Whitelisting never impacted DM limits or Search API limits. Niether of those are affected by @rsarver's announcement. Abraham - Abraham Williams | Hacker Advocate | abrah.am @abraham https://twitter.com/abraham | github.com/abraham | blog.abrah.am This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:04, whitmer brian.whit...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also like to know the fate of DMing. On Feb 10, 7:07 pm, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Taylor, what does this mean for DM limits and what’s the new path towards getting those limit increased for new accounts? Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visithttp://www.bigtimedesign.caformore information On 2011-02-10, at 8:48 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmebhttp://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Whitelisting does not remove the daily update and follower limits associated with POST requests; these limits are managed on a per user basis. Elevated DM limits are separate from the REST API whitelisting. It is possible that Twitter is no longer providing access to elevated DM limits as well but my reading of the announcement is that only the REST API whitelisting is being deprecated. http://dev.twitter.com/pages/rate-limiting#whitelisting Abraham - Abraham Williams | Hacker Advocate | abrah.am @abraham https://twitter.com/abraham | github.com/abraham | blog.abrah.am This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private. On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 12:03, DaveH d...@idreia.com wrote: I disagree, Abraham. I requested whitelisting for my app because I needed more than 250 DMs per day. Twitter granted my request and my limit was increased considerably. This may be that Twitter did not increase DMs as a default. But at one time, if requested and justified, they would. This is why the questions are being asked about DM limit changes going forward. On Feb 11, 10:12 pm, Abraham Williams 4bra...@gmail.com wrote: Whitelisting never impacted DM limits or Search API limits. Niether of those are affected by @rsarver's announcement. Abraham - Abraham Williams | Hacker Advocate | abrah.am @abraham https://twitter.com/abraham | github.com/abraham | blog.abrah.am This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:04, whitmer brian.whit...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also like to know the fate of DMing. On Feb 10, 7:07 pm, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Taylor, what does this mean for DM limits and what’s the new path towards getting those limit increased for new accounts? Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visithttp://www.bigtimedesign.caformore information On 2011-02-10, at 8:48 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmebhttp://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
This is the message I received yesterday from Twitter Support: sutorius, Feb-11 10:40 am (PST): Hey Brian, In the short amount of time since you've written in, our director of Platform, Ryan Sarver, has posted an update on whitelisting and that we will no longer be approving such requests: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread/thread/1acd954f8a04fa84 I'm sorry if this causes any setbacks to your development process. There's some good discussion on that thread, and I invite you to participate if you want. Let me know if you have any other questions. --- Maybe somebody somewhere in the line had some misinformation, but this makes it sound like there will no longer be any DM whitelisting either. So my question still stands, what is the fate of DMing? My company's product sends notifications of grade changes to students, which obviously need to be sent privately. We planned to expand into messaging on Twitter, but it kind of sounds like that's no longer an option. :-( On Feb 11, 11:12 pm, Abraham Williams 4bra...@gmail.com wrote: Whitelisting never impacted DM limits or Search API limits. Niether of those are affected by @rsarver's announcement. Abraham - Abraham Williams | Hacker Advocate | abrah.am @abraham https://twitter.com/abraham | github.com/abraham | blog.abrah.am This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:04, whitmer brian.whit...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also like to know the fate of DMing. On Feb 10, 7:07 pm, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Taylor, what does this mean for DM limits and what’s the new path towards getting those limit increased for new accounts? Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visithttp://www.bigtimedesign.caformore information On 2011-02-10, at 8:48 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmebhttp://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
I have been reading through the documentation for the stream api and the user stream api and I'm not sure why everyone is getting so upset about. It looks like this is going to benefit developers and allow Twitter to maintain a more stable environment which is a good thing for us. I understand that no being able to get whitelisted will require more work on our end to stay within the 350 requests per hour but the trade off is worth it in my opinion.For our apps DM's are very important and if I am reading the user stream documentation correctly DM's are no longer rate limited if you use the user stream api where as with the REST api you had a 250/day limit. So I'm not sure if I've missed the point but it seems like this is a good thing. Trevor. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:43 AM, Orian Marx (@orian) or...@orianmarx.comwrote: Yup that certainly clarifies and thanks for the #newtwitter stats, it's something I've been very curious about (and I'm sure others as well)! -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Thanks Matt! the trends.api.twitter.com server is working great. Question : what are the Rate Limit restrictions against that server? I am being very careful to respect the as_of time stamp for last request against a specific WOEID, but give 42 locations (the world plus 41 counties and cities) at present, and a 5 minutes refresh rate I expect 20 (60 minutes / 5 ) * 42 woeid point = 840 request per hour. and more when more trend locations are added (I'm also interested in the hourly and daily trend data, but that is minor from a volume perspective) (It does look like I'm okay, but figures crossed) so what is the hard limit currently? Feed back : Please note that neither the documentation (http://dev.twitter.com/doc/ get/trends/:woeid) or the Twitter API Announcements about using the correct API and host (http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-api- announce/browse_thread/thread/46ca6fcb9ea7eb49/34b013f4d092737f? show_docid=34b013f4d092737f) mention new trends.api.twitter.com end point. also their are two undocumented fields in the GET trends results : promoted_content - I can guess what that is for, but so far it's always been null and events - so far always null with respect to the Trends available.json the documentation is a little out of date (parentid) The results from are good after your initial problems when you rolled out all the new location and got the parentid wrong in a couple of cases. (I think you had San Fran in Brazil : ) Ian False Positives : Code and Culture :http://www.FalsePositives.com Connected Thinking : Building the People and Data Driven Web http://www.ConnectedThinking.com Twendr : Your Global Twitter Dashboard : What's happening Now! http://www.Twendr.com On Feb 10, 8:40 pm, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. To use it just map the api.twitter.com trends request onto the trends.api.twitter.com domain name, for example: http://api.twitter.com/1/trends/available.json becomes: http://trends.api.twitter.com/1/trends/available.json and: http://api.twitter.com/1/trends/1.json becomes: http://trends.api.twitter.com/1/trends/1.json Best, @themattharris Developer Advocate, Twitterhttp://twitter.com/themattharris On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Ian Irving ian.irv...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is disappointing. 350 is not 20,000. I have one little twitter app (using the trends api) and I need around 800 requests per hour to get the data. This and a few other ideas I had just died. These are all small side projects with limited opportunities for monetization or funding. The 20k white listing meant I could build proof of concepts to show skills or judge interest. very disappointing. :( Ian http://twendr.com On Feb 10, 4:43 pm, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Beginning today, Twitter will no longer grant whitelisting requests. We will continue to allow whitelisting privileges for previously approved applications; however any unanswered requests recently submitted to Twitter will not be granted whitelist access. Twitter whitelisting was originally created as a way to allow developers to request large amounts of data through the REST API. It provided developers with an increase from 150 to 20,000 requests per hour, at a time when the API had few bulk request options and the Streaming API was not yet available. Since then, we've added new, more efficient tools for developers, including lookups, ID lists, authentication and the Streaming API. Instead of whitelisting, developers can use these tools to create applications and integrate with the Twitter platform. As always, we are committed to fostering an ecosystem that delivers value to Twitter users. Access to Twitter APIs scales as an application grows its userbase. With authentication, an application can make 350 GET requests on a user’s behalf every hour. This means that for every user of your service, you can request their timelines, followers, friends, lists and saved searches up to 350 times per hour. Actions such as Tweeting, Favoriting, Retweeting and Following do not count towards this 350 limit. Using authentication on every request is recommended, so that you are not affected by other developers who share an IP address with you. We also want to acknowledge that there are going to be some things that developers want to do that just aren’t supported by the platform. Rather than granting additional privileges to accommodate those requests, we encourage developers to focus on what's possible within the rich variety of integration options already provided. Developers
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Hey Ed! I hope you can use Twendr! Yes this is on the five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed. send me money and I'll create a Promoted trends just for you :) (hu...) Ian On Feb 10, 8:48 pm, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky- research.net wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmebhttp://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Hi Ian, One step at at time. The server is experimental, which is why it isn't documented anywhere. I should have made that clear. Your feedback will let us know how it's performing. Because the server is hosting a cached version of the trends data you shouldn't find any issues with the rate limits. That being said be sensible about how you query the data. It isn't updating every second or even every minute, so calling more frequently than 5/10 minutes won't achieve anything. Promoted content is also in closed beta at the moment so supporting it through an experimental endpoint would be premature. Best, @themattharris Developer Advocate, Twitter http://twitter.com/themattharris On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ian Irving ian.irv...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Matt! the trends.api.twitter.com server is working great. Question : what are the Rate Limit restrictions against that server? I am being very careful to respect the as_of time stamp for last request against a specific WOEID, but give 42 locations (the world plus 41 counties and cities) at present, and a 5 minutes refresh rate I expect 20 (60 minutes / 5 ) * 42 woeid point = 840 request per hour. and more when more trend locations are added (I'm also interested in the hourly and daily trend data, but that is minor from a volume perspective) (It does look like I'm okay, but figures crossed) so what is the hard limit currently? Feed back : Please note that neither the documentation (http://dev.twitter.com/doc/ get/trends/:woeid) or the Twitter API Announcements about using the correct API and host (http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-api- announce/browse_thread/thread/46ca6fcb9ea7eb49/34b013f4d092737f? show_docid=34b013f4d092737f) mention new trends.api.twitter.com end point. also their are two undocumented fields in the GET trends results : promoted_content - I can guess what that is for, but so far it's always been null and events - so far always null with respect to the Trends available.json the documentation is a little out of date (parentid) The results from are good after your initial problems when you rolled out all the new location and got the parentid wrong in a couple of cases. (I think you had San Fran in Brazil : ) Ian False Positives : Code and Culture :http://www.FalsePositives.com Connected Thinking : Building the People and Data Driven Web http://www.ConnectedThinking.com Twendr : Your Global Twitter Dashboard : What's happening Now! http://www.Twendr.com On Feb 10, 8:40 pm, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. To use it just map the api.twitter.com trends request onto the trends.api.twitter.com domain name, for example: http://api.twitter.com/1/trends/available.json becomes: http://trends.api.twitter.com/1/trends/available.json and: http://api.twitter.com/1/trends/1.json becomes: http://trends.api.twitter.com/1/trends/1.json Best, @themattharris Developer Advocate, Twitterhttp://twitter.com/themattharris On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Ian Irving ian.irv...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is disappointing. 350 is not 20,000. I have one little twitter app (using the trends api) and I need around 800 requests per hour to get the data. This and a few other ideas I had just died. These are all small side projects with limited opportunities for monetization or funding. The 20k white listing meant I could build proof of concepts to show skills or judge interest. very disappointing. :( Ian http://twendr.com On Feb 10, 4:43 pm, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Beginning today, Twitter will no longer grant whitelisting requests. We will continue to allow whitelisting privileges for previously approved applications; however any unanswered requests recently submitted to Twitter will not be granted whitelist access. Twitter whitelisting was originally created as a way to allow developers to request large amounts of data through the REST API. It provided developers with an increase from 150 to 20,000 requests per hour, at a time when the API had few bulk request options and the Streaming API was not yet available. Since then, we've added new, more efficient tools for developers, including lookups, ID lists, authentication and the Streaming API. Instead of whitelisting, developers can use these tools to create applications and integrate with the Twitter platform. As always, we are committed to fostering an ecosystem that delivers value to Twitter users. Access to Twitter APIs scales as an application grows its userbase. With
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
The one thing I am missing in this announcement is how this affects the rate limit of a non-authenticated request to the REST search API? Thanks, Ben -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
I'd also like to know the fate of DMing. On Feb 10, 7:07 pm, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Taylor, what does this mean for DM limits and what’s the new path towards getting those limit increased for new accounts? Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visithttp://www.bigtimedesign.cafor more information On 2011-02-10, at 8:48 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmebhttp://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker:http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Whitelisting never impacted DM limits or Search API limits. Niether of those are affected by @rsarver's announcement. Abraham - Abraham Williams | Hacker Advocate | abrah.am @abraham https://twitter.com/abraham | github.com/abraham | blog.abrah.am This email is: [ ] shareable [x] ask first [ ] private. On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:04, whitmer brian.whit...@gmail.com wrote: I'd also like to know the fate of DMing. On Feb 10, 7:07 pm, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Taylor, what does this mean for DM limits and what’s the new path towards getting those limit increased for new accounts? Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visithttp://www.bigtimedesign.cafor more information On 2011-02-10, at 8:48 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmebhttp://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Well this is disappointing. 350 is not 20,000. I have one little twitter app (using the trends api) and I need around 800 requests per hour to get the data. This and a few other ideas I had just died. These are all small side projects with limited opportunities for monetization or funding. The 20k white listing meant I could build proof of concepts to show skills or judge interest. very disappointing. :( Ian http://twendr.com On Feb 10, 4:43 pm, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Beginning today, Twitter will no longer grant whitelisting requests. We will continue to allow whitelisting privileges for previously approved applications; however any unanswered requests recently submitted to Twitter will not be granted whitelist access. Twitter whitelisting was originally created as a way to allow developers to request large amounts of data through the REST API. It provided developers with an increase from 150 to 20,000 requests per hour, at a time when the API had few bulk request options and the Streaming API was not yet available. Since then, we've added new, more efficient tools for developers, including lookups, ID lists, authentication and the Streaming API. Instead of whitelisting, developers can use these tools to create applications and integrate with the Twitter platform. As always, we are committed to fostering an ecosystem that delivers value to Twitter users. Access to Twitter APIs scales as an application grows its userbase. With authentication, an application can make 350 GET requests on a user’s behalf every hour. This means that for every user of your service, you can request their timelines, followers, friends, lists and saved searches up to 350 times per hour. Actions such as Tweeting, Favoriting, Retweeting and Following do not count towards this 350 limit. Using authentication on every request is recommended, so that you are not affected by other developers who share an IP address with you. We also want to acknowledge that there are going to be some things that developers want to do that just aren’t supported by the platform. Rather than granting additional privileges to accommodate those requests, we encourage developers to focus on what's possible within the rich variety of integration options already provided. Developers interested in elevated access to the Twitter stream for the purpose of research or analytics can contact our partner Gnip for more information. As always, we are here to answer questions, and help you build applications and services that offer value to users. Ryan -- Ryan Sarver @rsarver -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Quick question, are the whitelists IP based? It's been a couple years since we requested the whitelisting, which was granted, but I am curious how that will affect us if we add more IP ranges to our servers? Thanks, Ben -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
EXACTLY, i posted my opinion, result? Luckily we dont use this shit matt/tayor: an app suspended. On Feb 10, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Fishst1k wrote: Quick question, are the whitelists IP based? It's been a couple years since we requested the whitelisting, which was granted, but I am curious how that will affect us if we add more IP ranges to our servers? Thanks, Ben -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk Regards, Edward Hotchkiss edw...@edwardhotchkiss.com http://www.edwardhotchkiss.com/ -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. To use it just map the api.twitter.com trends request onto the trends.api.twitter.com domain name, for example: http://api.twitter.com/1/trends/available.json becomes: http://trends.api.twitter.com/1/trends/available.json and: http://api.twitter.com/1/trends/1.json becomes: http://trends.api.twitter.com/1/trends/1.json Best, @themattharris Developer Advocate, Twitter http://twitter.com/themattharris On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Ian Irving ian.irv...@gmail.com wrote: Well this is disappointing. 350 is not 20,000. I have one little twitter app (using the trends api) and I need around 800 requests per hour to get the data. This and a few other ideas I had just died. These are all small side projects with limited opportunities for monetization or funding. The 20k white listing meant I could build proof of concepts to show skills or judge interest. very disappointing. :( Ian http://twendr.com On Feb 10, 4:43 pm, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Beginning today, Twitter will no longer grant whitelisting requests. We will continue to allow whitelisting privileges for previously approved applications; however any unanswered requests recently submitted to Twitter will not be granted whitelist access. Twitter whitelisting was originally created as a way to allow developers to request large amounts of data through the REST API. It provided developers with an increase from 150 to 20,000 requests per hour, at a time when the API had few bulk request options and the Streaming API was not yet available. Since then, we've added new, more efficient tools for developers, including lookups, ID lists, authentication and the Streaming API. Instead of whitelisting, developers can use these tools to create applications and integrate with the Twitter platform. As always, we are committed to fostering an ecosystem that delivers value to Twitter users. Access to Twitter APIs scales as an application grows its userbase. With authentication, an application can make 350 GET requests on a user’s behalf every hour. This means that for every user of your service, you can request their timelines, followers, friends, lists and saved searches up to 350 times per hour. Actions such as Tweeting, Favoriting, Retweeting and Following do not count towards this 350 limit. Using authentication on every request is recommended, so that you are not affected by other developers who share an IP address with you. We also want to acknowledge that there are going to be some things that developers want to do that just aren’t supported by the platform. Rather than granting additional privileges to accommodate those requests, we encourage developers to focus on what's possible within the rich variety of integration options already provided. Developers interested in elevated access to the Twitter stream for the purpose of research or analytics can contact our partner Gnip for more information. As always, we are here to answer questions, and help you build applications and services that offer value to users. Ryan -- Ryan Sarver @rsarver -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Hey Taylor, what does this mean for DM limits and what’s the new path towards getting those limit increased for new accounts? Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visit http://www.bigtimedesign.ca for more information On 2011-02-10, at 8:48 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Ryan et al, thanks for the update on this. Shall we also take this to mean 350 is the definitive cap on rate limits for the foreseeable future? This certainly seems to be implied but since the spirit of this update seems to be to remove ambiguity, I think a clear statement that Twitter is no longer planning on gradually increasing rate limits, as has been stated many times in the past, would be appreciated. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Yes, Do tell. I have a whitelisted app, but came to the realization that I needed to switch to IP based so that all users of the application would have a higher DM limit--critical as my app is a social learning tool for mobile users. Now it looks like my project is dead in the water. Having each person have their own account is fine, but the 250 per day DMs is the problem. Is there any way to increase DMs per day for accounts? I suspect that Twitter may need to rethink this change as there are some applications that needed the whitelisting for DMs while the hourly limits were never a problem. Bitting my nails and waiting for an answer On Feb 10, 6:07 pm, Trevor Dean trevord...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Taylor, what does this mean for DM limits and what’s the new path towards getting those limit increased for new accounts? Trevor Dean | Director big time design communication Inc. 647 234 8198 Visithttp://www.bigtimedesign.cafor more information On 2011-02-10, at 8:48 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@borasky-research.net wrote: On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 17:40:03 -0800, Matt Harris thematthar...@twitter.com wrote: Hi Ian, For trends you might like to try our trends.api.twitter.com [1] server which hosts a cached copy of the trends information and is updated whenever the trends change. It should support your use case and we would be interested in any feedback you may have about it's performance. Nice! I was just about to try building something very much like twendr, but I can either use twendr or go right to your new server. Is this on a five-minute cycle like the main Trending Topics feed? Will we ever get to see the Promoted fields populated without spending money? ;-) -- http://twitter.com/znmebhttp://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources:http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter:http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker:http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Orian, You should definitely plan on working within 350/hr for the forseeable future. FWIW, we have watched #newtwitter usage and an average session uses between 80-120 rq/hr. Hope that helps clarify. Best, Ryan -- Ryan Sarver @rsarver http://twitter.com/rsarver On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Orian Marx (@orian) or...@orianmarx.comwrote: Ryan et al, thanks for the update on this. Shall we also take this to mean 350 is the definitive cap on rate limits for the foreseeable future? This certainly seems to be implied but since the spirit of this update seems to be to remove ambiguity, I think a clear statement that Twitter is no longer planning on gradually increasing rate limits, as has been stated many times in the past, would be appreciated. -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:46:46 -0800, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com wrote: Orian, You should definitely plan on working within 350/hr for the forseeable future. FWIW, we have watched #newtwitter usage and an average session uses between 80-120 rq/hr. Interesting - I had an incident last week where I was running out of calls in #newtwitter - that's why I asked about HootSuite. I never did figure out what happened. I'm running them both now and not running out. -- http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. -- Paul Erdős -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Update on Whitelisting
Yup that certainly clarifies and thanks for the #newtwitter stats, it's something I've been very curious about (and I'm sure others as well)! -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
