Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Question about Twitter use in library names

2010-01-14 Thread DeWitt Clinton
Right, I agree that the public statements (both Biz's post and Ryan's
comment here) are all aligned with what we expected and asked for.  I'm
simply encouraging and hoping for the Terms to be updated to reflect that
position and remove the ambiguity for library, client, and service authors.
 Doubly important now that third parties are going so far as to implement
their own backends for the Twitter API itself, especially with respect to
patent and copyright (for the docs).

BTW, here is what the Terms (http://twitter.com/tos) currently read,
effective: September 18, 2009:

 All right, title, and interest in and to the Services (excluding Content
 provided by users) are and will remain the exclusive property of Twitter and
 its licensors. The Services are protected by copyright, trademark, and other
 laws of both the United States and foreign countries. Nothing in the Terms
 gives you a right to use the Twitter name or any of the Twitter trademarks,
 logos, domain names, and other distinctive brand features. Any feedback,
 comments, or suggestions you may provide regarding Twitter, or the Services
 is entirely voluntary and we will be free to use such feedback, comments or
 suggestions as we see fit and without any obligation to you.


Biz's post was written July, 2009, so if you just take it at face value, the
most recent Terms actually supersede his statement.  Again, I'm personally
reasonably confident that wasn't the intention, hence these ongoing threads
on the developer list.

-DeWitt

On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Rich rhyl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tweet appears to have been answered here
 http://blog.twitter.com/2009/07/may-tweets-be-with-you.html

 On Jan 13, 7:51 pm, DeWitt Clinton dclin...@gmail.com wrote:
  That's great news.  Thank you, Ryan.
 
  How about terms like tweet and retweet?  Or more generally, any word
 on
  the questions raised in the Question about licensing thread?
 
  http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/browse_thread...
 
  In particular, it would be great to get clarification in writing on
  twitter.com -- not sure if your mail here is binding :) -- about the
 terms
  for acceptable trademark usage, copyright claims, and patent claims, for
  third party libraries and third party implementations of the Twitter API.
 
  I fully understand that these are difficult questions, and certainly
  appreciate the effort it takes to get all the legal concerns addressed.
   Thanks again for chasing these down!
 
  -DeWitt
 
  On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Ryan Sarver rsar...@twitter.com
 wrote:
   Duane,
 
   I've been able to follow up with our lawyers and they confirmed that it
 is
   ok to include Twitter in the name of libraries that developers build.
   Sorry it took so long to follow up, but I wanted to make sure we got a
   strong, final answer back before responding.
 
   Best, Ryan
 
   On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Duane Roelands 
 duane.roela...@gmail.comwrote:
 
   A question for the Twitter team:
 
   I'm the developer and maintainer of an open source library called
   TwitterVB.  Can I expect a nastygram from your lawyers at some
   point?  Or is there some way I can have the project vetted to avoid
   such a thing in the future?



Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Question about Twitter use in library names

2010-01-01 Thread John Meyer
We're talking about lawyers here Duane.  Straight forward is not a 
term that they understand.



On 1/1/2010 2:31 PM, Duane Roelands wrote:

It's been four weeks since I originally asked this question.  Is there
any chance at all it will be answered in the near future?

The time it takes to get a simple straight answer is mind-boggling.

On Dec 22 2009, 11:14 am, Duane Roelandsduane.roela...@gmail.com
wrote:
   

Hopefully, I haven't asked a question with an unfortunate answer.

When I look at the number of great libraries with Twitter in the
name, it would be a real kick in the teeth to the developer community.

On Dec 22, 12:09 am, Ryan Sarverrsar...@twitter.com  wrote:



 

Just wanted to follow up with everyone and let you know we are still on this
and haven't forgotten about the thread. Hopefully will have an answer for
you soon.
   
 

Best, Ryan
   
 

2009/12/5 Ryan Sarverrsar...@twitter.com
   
 

Duane,
 
 

We definitely don't want to be sending any nastygrams, especially for
something that helps the community. I put a note into our legal / marks
department so that I can get an answer back to you and everyone else. Please
bear with us as it could take a bit, but I'll get you an answer.
 
 

Best, Ryan
 
 

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Duane Roelandsduane.roela...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 

A question for the Twitter team:
   
 

I'm the developer and maintainer of an open source library called
TwitterVB.  Can I expect a nastygram from your lawyers at some
point?  Or is there some way I can have the project vetted to avoid
such a thing in the future?