Re: [twsocket] Project proposal
(Old msg, Francois dd 27-02-2007, just some simple IMH(O) opinions) In my opinion, you will just sell nothing in the Linux world. (nobody said you have to) Linux users wants free software (Not all users I sell Linux to are linux users) That's the main problem. Do not start any investment before being sure to have the project already sold to enough customers in order to pay for the development. For me this boils down to a simple elementary school calculation: If (development cost) (licenses*units shipped) then go (any software without per unit license cost) Note1: Notice that I don't name Linux in the above formula, though AT THE MOMENTlinux/x86 is the most likely alternate candidate here due to the mere existance of SOME drivers. Personally I don't give a [EMAIL PROTECTED]@$@. The numbers below the final summation are the only thing that count. Note2: licenses is a formula here, which factors, among others, OS costs, Office suite costs (report generation), and RDBMS cost. Generally there is more money to make to save on Office suite and RDBMS cost, than on OS cost. Simply because the OS costs are the lowers per unit. Failure to acknowledge this, seems to be the landmark of a Linux newby. Conclusion: This makes OS costs only worthwhile if you ship a lot of units. However it also means that if you ship enough units, it is always worthwhile, depending on the value of enough. -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Project proposal
I would be very interested if you start this project as my company also thinks that in the future it might be interesting to port some of our Windows service applications to GNU/Linux. When evaluating what way to go I thought that either Kylix could be used (but is that product still active?) or we port the code (including ICS) to C/C++. Maybe the glib library could be used to provide the Unix alternative to messages and threads: http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/index.html @Francois: I think you are right with your statement that GNU/Linux users want free software when it comes to desktop users. But IMHO there is a market for commercial server software. Many of our customers are already running their Oracle database on a Unix machine. /Tobias Fastream Technologies wrote: Dear Francois, Before detailing the project, I want to learn if principally you can do the following and when can you start: - We plan to port our reverse proxy/HTTP/FTP servers to Linux 2.6 Kernel. It is specifically 2.6 because according to my research it includes advanced async I/O similar to Windows. IOW, we need both messages and threads so that we will be handling 10k connections with 330 threads (32 connections/thread) as we now can do with Windows. We want to be able to use the gcc compiler and Eclipse and donate the base component code to you so that it can be open source. Unfortunately Fastream has little UNIX coding experience but change is inevitable as we see reluctance in the server market to buy Windows based software. Best Regards, SZ www.fastream.com -- NOA Audio Solutions Vertriebsges.m.b.H.Tel: +43-1-5452700 Johannagasse 42/4 Fax: +43-1-545270014 A - 1050 Wien Www: http://www.noa-audio.com -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Project proposal
- Original Message - From: Tobias Rapp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [twsocket] Project proposal I would be very interested if you start this project as my company also thinks that in the future it might be interesting to port some of our Windows service applications to GNU/Linux. When evaluating what way to go I thought that either Kylix could be used (but is that product still active?) or we port the code (including ICS) to C/C++. Maybe the glib library could be used to provide the Unix alternative to messages and threads: http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/index.html I don't think Kylix is active. Yet since our source code is already C++, and use some little VCL, I think the way to go is to translate the ICS base classes to GTK as you said. @Francois: I think you are right with your statement that GNU/Linux users want free software when it comes to desktop users. But IMHO there is a market for commercial server software. Many of our customers are already running their Oracle database on a Unix machine. Agreed. None of the boxed servers' software is Windows on the market. Best Regards, SZ /Tobias Fastream Technologies wrote: Dear Francois, Before detailing the project, I want to learn if principally you can do the following and when can you start: - We plan to port our reverse proxy/HTTP/FTP servers to Linux 2.6 Kernel. It is specifically 2.6 because according to my research it includes advanced async I/O similar to Windows. IOW, we need both messages and threads so that we will be handling 10k connections with 330 threads (32 connections/thread) as we now can do with Windows. We want to be able to use the gcc compiler and Eclipse and donate the base component code to you so that it can be open source. Unfortunately Fastream has little UNIX coding experience but change is inevitable as we see reluctance in the server market to buy Windows based software. Best Regards, SZ www.fastream.com -- NOA Audio Solutions Vertriebsges.m.b.H.Tel: +43-1-5452700 Johannagasse 42/4 Fax: +43-1-545270014 A - 1050 Wien Www: http://www.noa-audio.com -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Project proposal
When evaluating what way to go I thought that either Kylix could be used (but is that product still active?) or we port the code (including ICS) to C/C++. Maybe the glib library could be used to provide the Unix alternative to messages and threads: http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/glib/index.html Kylix seems dead, which is a shame. But there is an alternative in FreePascal/Lazarus if you still want to code in Pascal. @Francois: I think you are right with your statement that GNU/Linux users want free software when it comes to desktop users. But IMHO there is a market for commercial server software. Many of our customers are already running their Oracle database on a Unix machine. Which is different from Windows desktop user in what sense ? I'm a happy Linux user and the main reason is not the cost, it is the stability and the fact that the OS is not crippled on purpose. All my servers run Linux and I even use it on the desktop. Still, I'm willing to pay for a good application, be it on Windows or Linux. Anyway, I think there will be a big market for application on Linux when it gets more market share, on desktop and servers. Having ICS and Pascal available to us would make it a lot easier to code on that platform since we are used to Delphi. I still think that Borland should reconsider their Kylix port, as I would be one of the first willing to pay for it. Just my 2 cents -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Project proposal
Anyway, I think there will be a big market for application on Linux when it gets more market share, on desktop and servers. Having ICS and Pascal available to us would make it a lot easier to code on that platform since we are used to Delphi. Surely. But who do you think has to pay the bill ? Not me for sure. I'll be happy to work on the project, but not give my work away for free. I still think that Borland should reconsider their Kylix port, as I would be one of the first willing to pay for it. One is not enough to make CodeGear cover the development costs. btw: I don't think the product is abandonned. It is just put aside for some time. btw2: This mailing list is not the place to discuss this topic. Contribute to the SSL Effort. Visit http://www.overbyte.be/eng/ssl.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author of ICS (Internet Component Suite, freeware) Author of MidWare (Multi-tier framework, freeware) http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Project proposal
In my opinion, you will just sell nothing in the Linux world. Linux users wants free software. That's the main problem. Do not start any investment before being sure to have the project already sold to enough customers in order to pay for the development. -- Contribute to the SSL Effort. Visit http://www.overbyte.be/eng/ssl.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be - Original Message - From: Fastream Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: [twsocket] Project proposal Dear Francois, Before detailing the project, I want to learn if principally you can do the following and when can you start: - We plan to port our reverse proxy/HTTP/FTP servers to Linux 2.6 Kernel. It is specifically 2.6 because according to my research it includes advanced async I/O similar to Windows. IOW, we need both messages and threads so that we will be handling 10k connections with 330 threads (32 connections/thread) as we now can do with Windows. We want to be able to use the gcc compiler and Eclipse and donate the base component code to you so that it can be open source. Unfortunately Fastream has little UNIX coding experience but change is inevitable as we see reluctance in the server market to buy Windows based software. Best Regards, SZ www.fastream.com -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
Re: [twsocket] Project proposal
Hello Francois, I have spoken with a FreeBSD IPChains firewall box maker here and they seem to be much more profitable than us! We tested the Windows reverse proxy we have and it crashed at more than 6000 sockets(!) which is why I believe with some good hardware we can support 10k-20k sockets fulfilling 10Gbps due to our async/MT mixture. As I said, we are just pondering right now... Best Regards, SZ - Original Message - From: Francois PIETTE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [twsocket] Project proposal In my opinion, you will just sell nothing in the Linux world. Linux users wants free software. That's the main problem. Do not start any investment before being sure to have the project already sold to enough customers in order to pay for the development. -- Contribute to the SSL Effort. Visit http://www.overbyte.be/eng/ssl.html -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.overbyte.be - Original Message - From: Fastream Technologies [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ICS support mailing twsocket@elists.org Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:43 PM Subject: [twsocket] Project proposal Dear Francois, Before detailing the project, I want to learn if principally you can do the following and when can you start: - We plan to port our reverse proxy/HTTP/FTP servers to Linux 2.6 Kernel. It is specifically 2.6 because according to my research it includes advanced async I/O similar to Windows. IOW, we need both messages and threads so that we will be handling 10k connections with 330 threads (32 connections/thread) as we now can do with Windows. We want to be able to use the gcc compiler and Eclipse and donate the base component code to you so that it can be open source. Unfortunately Fastream has little UNIX coding experience but change is inevitable as we see reluctance in the server market to buy Windows based software. Best Regards, SZ www.fastream.com -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be -- To unsubscribe or change your settings for TWSocket mailing list please goto http://www.elists.org/mailman/listinfo/twsocket Visit our website at http://www.overbyte.be
