Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Got it. I understand now. cheers! --dawn On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:12 PM, David Jordan wrote: > Hi Dawn > > I was raising an issue of etiquette to put names to emails so that everyone > knows who they are dealing with and it is transparent that there are no > hidden agendas. Not everyone knows who Will is as he has a meaningless email > and he signs off with W. George would not know that Will was on the board of > U2UG. I was trying to raise a perspective, that not knowing who you are > dealing with raises questions about what are the motives. Members > particularly new members don't know if Will is working for jBase or > Intersystems or other competitors, so being upfront with who you are clears > the air for everyone in discussions and minimises misunderstandings. > > Regards > > David Jordan > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
Could we make it a hover-board rather than a skateboard :-)
My 16 year old son has just come up with a working design . just
"very unfortunate" that it only works with super conductors cooled to
around absolute zero, so better throw in a pair of socks!
I've always liked the idea of socks as a gimmick ("here is a pair of
socks you'll need them after we knock your socks off when you see
what we can do"), but Rocket Socks work just as well :-)
Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage > Better by Design!
>-Original Message-
>From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-
>boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com
>Sent: 23 March 2011 5:39 AM
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
>
>In a message dated 3/21/2011 3:43:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>da...@dacono.com.au writes:
>
>
>> First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not
>> someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad.
>>
>> Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we
need
>> ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket
to
>make
>> it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is
not like
>> IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2
to
>> grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the
business they
>> will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The
board
>> have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base
with all
>> users, if anyone has ideas let us know.
>>
>> Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is
>> required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of
>other users.
>>
>
>Here's twelve hundred and thirty google pages, to tell you who I am
>
>http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=fft2001%40aol.com
>
>The focus on money is not pointless. Here's an idea (which costs
money),
>send a postcard to EVERY person on Rocket's tickler file. And when I
say
>every, I do mean every, saying "Please join U2UG and we'll send you a
free
>skateboard"... or whatever.
>
>I got a skateboard from a vendor with whom I *don't even do business*.
No
>business with this vendor, ever. From Rocket I don't even get a phone
call.
> AND I PROMOTE THEM! :)~~~ so there.
>
>That will grow the business by not shrinking the business. I just had
>another encounter, with *yet another* Mv prospect who is completely
>disconnected
>from the mv world except through their VAR. What that means is that if
the
>VAR pisses them off, they will be completely disconnected. That means,
the
>executive level will then say, "Oh this system is old, nobody uses it,
lets
>get something bright and shiny..." and off we go.
>
>"The board has racked their brains..." how about an actual phone call
from
>an actual Rocket salesperson? The last time anyone from universe under
>Ardent or under IBM or under Rocket has even *called* me was probably
>back in
>2001. The internet makes people foolish, thinking that they can
continue to
>do business, easier now all by email. What happened to the days when
>salespeople actually visited sites?
>
>Anyway to what kind of outreach are you actually referring here?
Throwing
>money at a problem *does* solve the problem, if the problem requires
>money
>in order to make it happen. Not everything is free.
>
>W
>___
>U2-Users mailing list
>U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org
>http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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[U2] U2 - Choir - singing closed
As individuals perform their solo act, the choir is reclining at the old folks home. The organ is rusty and full of dust, the building windows are covered in cobwebs, the door is boarded up and an international flock of various unknown species of bird has roosted in the eves. The absentee landlord is still collecting rents from those in the community who have now all moved away to "SUNny" locations. The damp and dreary interior is still attended to by the last order of the Knights of MV. The foundation of the building though strong,the walls and roof are slowly being chipped away by other building clans to erect their mausoleums. "The companies with the most contact methods, simplest administration tools, and best integration skills, will wind up on top." -Kirsten Cloninger, industry analyst for In-Stat Group (www.instat.com) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 6:13:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: > Members particularly new members don't know if Will is working for jBase > or Intersystems or other competitors, so being upfront with who you are > clears the air for everyone in discussions and minimises misunderstandings. >> > > Too long being a member of Wikipedia has numbed me to the weight of position and authority. I suspect everyone of speaking extemporaneously and being "off the reservation". I'm not working for Intersystems. I told them I wanted $250,000, a corner office, a view of the ocean, and three months vacation each year, and they hung up on me. Go figure. Dubya "The artist formerly known as W" ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 4:53:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: > No, this whole thing has got well beyond tedious now, if you haven't got > the > point yet that Rocket spend money on U2UG rather than give money to it - > and > that the board want is this way - you never will. >> > I believe George that Laura Hirsch stated that money would help. And I'm sorry, yet again, you *stating* that they spend money on U2UG is not the same at all, in my mind, with someone like Susie detailing exactly what they are spending on U2UG and what it buys or covers. Can you understand this? More words don't move me at all. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
In a message dated 3/21/2011 3:43:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, da...@dacono.com.au writes: > First Fft2001 Can we have your name. How do we know that you are not > someone from a competitor like Oracle trying to make Rocket look bad. > > Secondly the focus on money is pointless. We don't need money we need > ideas. If anyone has a good idea and it needs some money from Rocket to make > it happen, then I am sure that Rocket will consider it. Rocket is not like > IBM who were sucking money out of U2 to push DB2, Rocket brought U2 to > grow the business and if you have any ideas that will grow the business they > will listen. Throwing money at a problem does not solve it. The board > have racked their brains trying to come up with ideas to touch base with all > users, if anyone has ideas let us know. > > Thirdly the directors don't have the time to do everything that is > required, many hands make light work and we need more involvement of other > users. > Here's twelve hundred and thirty google pages, to tell you who I am http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=fft2001%40aol.com The focus on money is not pointless. Here's an idea (which costs money), send a postcard to EVERY person on Rocket's tickler file. And when I say every, I do mean every, saying "Please join U2UG and we'll send you a free skateboard"... or whatever. I got a skateboard from a vendor with whom I *don't even do business*. No business with this vendor, ever. From Rocket I don't even get a phone call. AND I PROMOTE THEM! :)~~~ so there. That will grow the business by not shrinking the business. I just had another encounter, with *yet another* Mv prospect who is completely disconnected from the mv world except through their VAR. What that means is that if the VAR pisses them off, they will be completely disconnected. That means, the executive level will then say, "Oh this system is old, nobody uses it, lets get something bright and shiny..." and off we go. "The board has racked their brains..." how about an actual phone call from an actual Rocket salesperson? The last time anyone from universe under Ardent or under IBM or under Rocket has even *called* me was probably back in 2001. The internet makes people foolish, thinking that they can continue to do business, easier now all by email. What happened to the days when salespeople actually visited sites? Anyway to what kind of outreach are you actually referring here? Throwing money at a problem *does* solve the problem, if the problem requires money in order to make it happen. Not everything is free. W ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
That's not English, it's Texan. On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 11:35 +, Brett Callacher wrote: > Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the > rather unfashionable 'one'. > > Brett > > > "Robert Houben" wrote in message > news:<9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net>... > > Good point, Bill, > > > > I think one sometimes uses "you" when one means someone other than > > themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being > > mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general > > "you" from singular, specific "you" (unless you're from the deep south, in > > which case you have the unique "y'all", which oddly enough I've always > > heard used as the singular, specific form.) > > > > For instance, I might have written: > > "I think you sometimes use "you" when you mean someone other than > > yourself..." > > > > :) > > > > -Original Message- > > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman > > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM > > To: U2 Users List > > Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam > > > > I learned about the "I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications" at a > > ToastMasters meeting. > > > > The idea is to stop using the word "you" altogether. Easier said than done. > > > > The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. > > > > Thus... > > > > "I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the > > lines of XYZ..." > > > > "I am in favor of..." > > > > "I am not in favor of..." are decent I-Beam constructs. > > > > On the other hand... > > > > "YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault." > > This of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The > > word YOU is toxic. > > > > --Bill > > > > > > ___ > > U2-Users mailing list > > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > ___ > > U2-Users mailing list > > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > > > > This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and > is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to > whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not > authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this > message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please > notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. > > This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated > under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration > no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, > Surrey CR0 2LX. > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > -- Ben Souther Manager, Web and Web Service Development bsout...@fwdco.com | 508.927.8147 FWDavison & Company, Inc. 10 Cordage Park Circle, Suite 200 Plymouth, MA 02360-7318 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, and any accompanying documents, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, distribution or copying is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact our office by e-mail or by telephone at (508) 747-7261 and immediately destroy all copies of the original message. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Oh yeah! Right! But not commonly considered when thinking of second person pronouns. It's more of a person-irrelevant pronoun (it can be used to include ones-self - there it is, again!) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Brett Callacher Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:35 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the rather unfashionable 'one'. Brett "Robert Houben" wrote in message news:<9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net>... > Good point, Bill, > > I think one sometimes uses "you" when one means someone other than > themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being > mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general "you" > from singular, specific "you" (unless you're from the deep south, in which > case you have the unique "y'all", which oddly enough I've always heard used > as the singular, specific form.) > > For instance, I might have written: > "I think you sometimes use "you" when you mean someone other than yourself..." > > :) > > -Original Message- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam > > I learned about the "I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications" at a > ToastMasters meeting. > > The idea is to stop using the word "you" altogether. Easier said than done. > > The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. > > Thus... > > "I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the > lines of XYZ..." > > "I am in favor of..." > > "I am not in favor of..." are decent I-Beam constructs. > > On the other hand... > > "YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault." This > of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word > YOU is toxic. > > --Bill > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, Surrey CR0 2LX. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam
Actually Robert, I think English does have this word. You just used it - the rather unfashionable 'one'. Brett "Robert Houben" wrote in message news:<9c300472e764f645b1bab4571ac8d12601d461579...@bc-comm.fusionware.net>... > Good point, Bill, > > I think one sometimes uses "you" when one means someone other than > themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being > mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general "you" > from singular, specific "you" (unless you're from the deep south, in which > case you have the unique "y'all", which oddly enough I've always heard used > as the singular, specific form.) > > For instance, I might have written: > "I think you sometimes use "you" when you mean someone other than yourself..." > > :) > > -Original Message- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:14 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam > > I learned about the "I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications" at a > ToastMasters meeting. > > The idea is to stop using the word "you" altogether. Easier said than done. > > The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. > > Thus... > > "I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did ABC along the > lines of XYZ..." > > "I am in favor of..." > > "I am not in favor of..." are decent I-Beam constructs. > > On the other hand... > > "YOU are a dirty rotten bungling oaf and it is all YOUR fault." This > of course not I-Beam. It uses the inflamatory blame word (YOU). The word > YOU is toxic. > > --Bill > > > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > This message contains information that may be privileged or confidential and is the property of GPM Development Ltd. It is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient ,you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy, disseminate, distribute, or use this message or any part thereof. If you receive this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete all copies of this message. This e-mail was sent to you by GPM Development Ltd. We are incorporated under the laws of England and Wales (company no. 2292156 and VAT registration no. 523 5622 63). Our registered office is 6th Floor, AMP House, Croydon, Surrey CR0 2LX. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment
>> I would like to see the U2UG look in a bigger way at MultiValue >> industry affiliations and how our niche of the industry can play ball >> and be more visible and figure out how to play with industry >> organizations outside of the MV space as well as within. Just my two >> cents. There is a fundamental choice, if the group wants and expects any support from Rocket then it needs to be a U2 group. If the group wants to embrace a wider audience/membership then it needs to be an MV group and have no greater expectation of support from Rocket than from any other supplier. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
