Re: [U2] Game changer for U2 editors ([AD] added for Doug)
Unlimited ftp space - fantastic ;) From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: 07 April 2011 06:02 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Game changer for U2 editors ([AD] added for Doug) In a message dated 4/6/2011 7:06:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cwn...@comcast.net writes: Are you volunteering to put it all together where everyone can get to it? I can try to get it all together, but happily, I've been pretty busy lately, so I'm not sure when. I won't be able to provide support as such, but I'd be happy to try to help anyone who wants to use it. Heck, knowing people are using my programs is almost better than money, anyway. Yes. I have an autozipper and autounzipper/installer that runs inside Pick BASIC. It magically untangles all the code into the appropriate files, compiles what needs to be compiled and doesn't try to compile what isn't a program. Creates files that don't exist and populates them, etc etc etc. Wrote it about nine hundred years ago, but it still runs on any Pick implementation. I also have unlimited ftp space. Dubya. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3555 - Release Date: 04/06/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: 07 April 2011 06:38 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position Funny as heck. I started writing up a few brief notes on this thread, and immediately Epicor popped up as an Adsense advertiser in my margin. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1209 / Virus Database: 1500/3555 - Release Date: 04/06/11 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
Thanks Bill and Mecki. As ever some fantastic information from this group. From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: 06 April 2011 23:31 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Databasic conversion Symeon: I converted our application from D3 to UniData. There was quite a bit of work. I believe I started in Dec 2005 and finished at the end of March 2006 (I had to work a lot of overtime), and beta tested through Aug 2006. We went live with one our clients in Sep 2006 and then 10 more moved over in Nov and Dec 2006. I spent the next six months moving most of the rest of our clients to UniData. I'd say I spent about a thousand man hours on this. It could have been half that, but I had no help from anyone (including IBM/RS) except Colin Alfke in Canada. I have a lot of emails on this, but the following is one in particular. HTH, Bill - Original Message - *From:* Bill Haskett *To:* 'Bob Little' *Date:* 2/28/2006 6:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations We're mostly done but have spent about 140 man-days. We spent a fair amount of our time grinding away with the line editor. We were constantly editing data, dictionaries, VOC entries, and BASIC programs. We were able to port a few utilities to UD to help (a TCL shell, a file listing program, a dictionary listing program, and a screen-scroll program). We feel that we could have saved about 30% of our time if there was a decent screen editor, as the productivity was extremely low with the stone age line editor (AE). This would have saved us about 40 man-days! We spent about 20% of our time messing around with moving D3 to UV to UD and all subsequent data moves. This would have saved us around 30 man-days. There weren't too many surprises but there were some. Here are the major ones: 1) There was absolutely no interest by IBM in helping us, 2) There were absolutely no utilities to assist in the conversion. When I consulted at a large UD user they had converted from Sequoia several years before and they said there were numerous utilities that converted their dictionaries and BASIC programs. These were unavailable to us. 3) We had to convert to UV first then to UD...well, not actually. We had to move our data to UV, convert the dictionaries, then move to UD. However, we eventually found a utility to restore a D3 account to UniData, which helped tremendously during our client upgrades. 4) There is no (or virtually no) security in U2. It's handled by the O/S. 5) There are no users in U2. They're managed by the O/S. 6) UD requires a lot more interaction with the O/S. For instance, since UD has no 'Q' pointers you have to create file pointers using environment variables. In Windows, this requires the creation of the environment variables on the server...very strange. 7) There is no backup facility in UD. 8) I-Descriptors don't apply to each value in a multi-valued field. One has to mange the multi-values as though the dbms was never designed to have multi-values. There are separate functions for multi-values and if one uses a called subroutine, the subroutine has to manage the multi-values and return an MV array back. There are also some peculiarities to UD (things you wouldn't believe). For instance: 1) COPY MYFILE '1''2''3' TO:(ANOTHERFILE ...sometimes doesn't work at all. COPY, BASIC, CATALOG, DELETE-LIST, and numerous other VERBS can't handle multiple items in the command line. You have to SELECT the items first before executing these verbs. 2) You can't create an account from within UD. You have to open a DOS window, create a directory, and execute a DOS command from within this new directory. 3) A new UD account has all kinds of new UD files created within the account. Not really a big deal but surprising. 4) Managing your TERM settings is difficult. 5) Some default settings are weird. For instance, when compiling a BASIC program it gets globally compiled and cataloged...like a new MV user wants this by default?! :-) 6) Items in the SAVEDLISTS file have a number appended to the end so one won't be able to manage these without using the ...LIST commands. For instance SAVE-LIST BILL ends up in the SAVEDLISTS file as BILL000. Some other things to expect: + SAVED LISTS - In D3 you can SELECT-LIST ME YOU and you get a list of both lists. In UD you need to SELECT WHATEVER TO 1 then SELECT WHATEVER TO 2 then MERGE.LIST 1 UNION 2 TO 3 and hope it works. :-) - In other MV you can DELETE-LIST ME YOU and have them both deleted. - The lists have different keys than the list name. For instance if I do a SELECT VOC then SAVE-LIST BILL the item in the SAVEDLIST file will be named BILL000. So don't expect to be able to SELECT SAVEDLIST 'BILL' and get the list. - Be careful about using DIR files.
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
UniVerse PICK flavour account would probably be - out of the box - the path of least resistance. As UniVerse emulates the PICK D3 environment much better than Unidata. Unidata was designed to be a clone of Prime INFORMATION - engineered from the manual up (which including doing this the PI Manual said it could do, but in reality it didn't almost do as published!). Bill H has nicely documented stuff for you already in his post and elsewhere on the Net: http://www.rhinocerus.net/forum/databases-pick/305503-migration-d3-universe-doco.html http://old.nabble.com/RE:-D3-to-U2---how-to-import-a-FileSave-tape-p4361606.html -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 7:14 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] Databasic conversion Hi I am looking at a little side project to convert an entire system written in databasic on D3 to run on unidata. The guy i work with says it is a couple of hours work - I am not so sure myself. Anyone done this and know what the 'gotchyas' are ? Cheers Symeon. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
Also see Pick.pdf in the Rocket U2 UV11.1 document set. It documents the differences between D3/PICK and UniVerse. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 7:42 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Databasic conversion Thanks Bill and Mecki. As ever some fantastic information from this group. From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: 06 April 2011 23:31 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Databasic conversion Symeon: I converted our application from D3 to UniData. There was quite a bit of work. I believe I started in Dec 2005 and finished at the end of March 2006 (I had to work a lot of overtime), and beta tested through Aug 2006. We went live with one our clients in Sep 2006 and then 10 more moved over in Nov and Dec 2006. I spent the next six months moving most of the rest of our clients to UniData. I'd say I spent about a thousand man hours on this. It could have been half that, but I had no help from anyone (including IBM/RS) except Colin Alfke in Canada. I have a lot of emails on this, but the following is one in particular. HTH, Bill - Original Message - *From:* Bill Haskett *To:* 'Bob Little' *Date:* 2/28/2006 6:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Changes to mail list configurations We're mostly done but have spent about 140 man-days. We spent a fair amount of our time grinding away with the line editor. We were constantly editing data, dictionaries, VOC entries, and BASIC programs. We were able to port a few utilities to UD to help (a TCL shell, a file listing program, a dictionary listing program, and a screen-scroll program). We feel that we could have saved about 30% of our time if there was a decent screen editor, as the productivity was extremely low with the stone age line editor (AE). This would have saved us about 40 man-days! We spent about 20% of our time messing around with moving D3 to UV to UD and all subsequent data moves. This would have saved us around 30 man-days. There weren't too many surprises but there were some. Here are the major ones: 1) There was absolutely no interest by IBM in helping us, 2) There were absolutely no utilities to assist in the conversion. When I consulted at a large UD user they had converted from Sequoia several years before and they said there were numerous utilities that converted their dictionaries and BASIC programs. These were unavailable to us. 3) We had to convert to UV first then to UD...well, not actually. We had to move our data to UV, convert the dictionaries, then move to UD. However, we eventually found a utility to restore a D3 account to UniData, which helped tremendously during our client upgrades. 4) There is no (or virtually no) security in U2. It's handled by the O/S. 5) There are no users in U2. They're managed by the O/S. 6) UD requires a lot more interaction with the O/S. For instance, since UD has no 'Q' pointers you have to create file pointers using environment variables. In Windows, this requires the creation of the environment variables on the server...very strange. 7) There is no backup facility in UD. 8) I-Descriptors don't apply to each value in a multi-valued field. One has to mange the multi-values as though the dbms was never designed to have multi-values. There are separate functions for multi-values and if one uses a called subroutine, the subroutine has to manage the multi-values and return an MV array back. There are also some peculiarities to UD (things you wouldn't believe). For instance: 1) COPY MYFILE '1''2''3' TO:(ANOTHERFILE ...sometimes doesn't work at all. COPY, BASIC, CATALOG, DELETE-LIST, and numerous other VERBS can't handle multiple items in the command line. You have to SELECT the items first before executing these verbs. 2) You can't create an account from within UD. You have to open a DOS window, create a directory, and execute a DOS command from within this new directory. 3) A new UD account has all kinds of new UD files created within the account. Not really a big deal but surprising. 4) Managing your TERM settings is difficult. 5) Some default settings are weird. For instance, when compiling a BASIC program it gets globally compiled and cataloged...like a new MV user wants this by default?! :-) 6) Items in the SAVEDLISTS file have a number appended to the end so one won't be able to manage these without using the ...LIST commands. For instance SAVE-LIST BILL ends up in the SAVEDLISTS file as BILL000. Some other things to expect: + SAVED LISTS - In D3 you can SELECT-LIST ME YOU and you get a list of both lists. In UD you need to SELECT WHATEVER TO 1 then SELECT WHATEVER TO 2 then MERGE.LIST 1 UNION 2 TO 3 and hope it works. :-) - In
[U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position
For the recruiter(s) that have been responding to me purporting to be candidates, please get a life. It's a real shame that you some would have to respond to a real job posting using the stolen identities of other professionals from this group just to try to steal my opening. Not only is it unethical, I believe it is illegal. I will do whatever is necessary to identify you and let the real person know how their name and identity is being used. I'm confident that there will be legal consequences for your actions. If anyone from this group can give me feedback, I'd appreciate it. This isn't funny. It's actually very sad. Regards, Joe ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UV Common
Pick-style BASIC COMMON is documented in the Pick.pdf document in the UV 11.1 document set. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dianne Ackerman Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 1:52 AM To: U2 List Server Subject: [U2] UV Common Can anyone point me to a manual somewhere that describes the differences between behaviors in the COMMON basic statement between the different flavors of Universe? Thanks! -Dianne ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position
Can someone close this thread ? --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Joseph Chelston j...@bsgstaffing.com wrote: From: Joseph Chelston j...@bsgstaffing.com Subject: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:15 AM For the recruiter(s) that have been responding to me purporting to be candidates, please get a life. It's a real shame that you some would have to respond to a real job posting using the stolen identities of other professionals from this group just to try to steal my opening. Not only is it unethical, I believe it is illegal. I will do whatever is necessary to identify you and let the real person know how their name and identity is being used. I'm confident that there will be legal consequences for your actions. If anyone from this group can give me feedback, I'd appreciate it. This isn't funny. It's actually very sad. Regards, Joe ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position
Why? Are you one of the recruiters trying to poach Joe's client?:-) On 07/04/2011 12:32, Address wrote: Can someone close this thread ? --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Joseph Chelston j...@bsgstaffing.com wrote: From: Joseph Chelston j...@bsgstaffing.com Subject: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:15 AM For the recruiter(s) that have been responding to me purporting to be candidates, please get a life. It's a real shame that you some would have to respond to a real job posting using the stolen identities of other professionals from this group just to try to steal my opening. Not only is it unethical, I believe it is illegal. I will do whatever is necessary to identify you and let the real person know how their name and identity is being used. I'm confident that there will be legal consequences for your actions. If anyone from this group can give me feedback, I'd appreciate it. This isn't funny. It's actually very sad. Regards, Joe ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position
It is funny how we deride, demonize and disrespect head hunters/recruiters until we need a job. Then, when they get us our great new job, they are nominated for sainthood. Barry Rogen Senior Programmer/Analyst 973 560-5327 bro...@pny.com - We are continually faced with great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insoluble problems. John W Gardner Before printing please think about your environmental responsibility -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 8:08 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position Why? Are you one of the recruiters trying to poach Joe's client?:-) On 07/04/2011 12:32, Address wrote: Can someone close this thread ? --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Joseph Chelston j...@bsgstaffing.com wrote: From: Joseph Chelston j...@bsgstaffing.com Subject: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:15 AM For the recruiter(s) that have been responding to me purporting to be candidates, please get a life. It's a real shame that you some would have to respond to a real job posting using the stolen identities of other professionals from this group just to try to steal my opening. Not only is it unethical, I believe it is illegal. I will do whatever is necessary to identify you and let the real person know how their name and identity is being used. I'm confident that there will be legal consequences for your actions. If anyone from this group can give me feedback, I'd appreciate it. This isn't funny. It's actually very sad. Regards, Joe ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users NOT INTENDED AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR A WRITING NOTHING IN THIS E-MAIL, IN ANY E-MAIL THREAD OF WHICH IT MAY BE A PART, OR IN ANY ATTACHMENTS THERETO, SHALL CONSTITUTE A BINDING CONTRACT, OR ANY CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATION BY PNY, OR ANY INTENT TO ENTER INTO ANY BINDING OBLIGATIONS, NOTWITHSTANDING ANY ENACTMENT OF THE UNIFORM ELECTRONIC TRANSACTIONS ACT, THE FEDERAL E-SIGN ACT, OR ANY OTHER STATE OR FEDERAL LAW OF SIMILAR SUBSTANCE OR EFFECT. THIS EMAIL MESSAGE, ITS CONTENTS AND ATTACHMENTS ARE NOT INTENDED TO REPRESENT AN OFFER OR ACCEPTANCE OF AN OFFER TO ENTER INTO A CONTRACT. NOTHING IN THIS E-MAIL, IN ANY E-MAIL THREAD OF WHICH IT MAY BE A PART, OR IN ANY ATTACHMENTS THERETO SHALL ALTER THIS DISCLAIMER. This e-mail message from PNY Technologies, Inc. is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. __ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
Hi Symeon -- For what it is worth, in case it is helpful... I did not do a conversion but did do interviews, reading, and tests of a D3 app a while back, recommending the site moved, they would be well-served to choose UniVerse over UniData, although it was still definitely feasible with UniData. I know UniData better than UniVerse and would have preferred to recommend it, but still chose UniVerse. Each application is different, but I suspect that as a general rule it would be faster to migrate from D3 to UniVerse or Cache' than UniData. --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Symeon Breen syme...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am looking at a little side project to convert an entire system written in databasic on D3 to run on unidata. The guy i work with says it is a couple of hours work - I am not so sure myself. Anyone done this and know what the 'gotchyas' are ? Cheers Symeon. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] [AD] Even more editors ..
All Just for completeness - In addition to the two excellent editors (Doug's and Charlie's) already mentioned - you can download my free screen editor (Z) and my free Windows based editor (mvDeveloper) from my website ... Brian ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
I'd second David's comment. UniVerse in PICK flavour is a closer fit to D3, though some of the issues around casing for files may still bite you (at least UniVerse Basic has always been keyword case insensitive). PROCs and paragraphs should come across fine, remember that paragraphs are PH not H types. Your dictionaries will generally work, but there is no *An equivalent or B correlatives. If you want to call a subroutine from a dictionary you need to use a SUBR() function in an I type. You are better off converting dictionaries to D and I types anyway, they work better with most of the advanced features (e.g. SQL and XML) and there is a conversion program hidden in the APP.PROGS file from what I recall. If you're using flashbasic with % calls, they will need to parsed out and replaced with equivalent functions, and the spooler is quite different. UniVerse supports some of the SP.. commands but frankly you're better off writing your own versions to map to the native SETPTR equivalents. Obviously any device control, terminal and printer settings, anything looking at system files and so forth will be the usual pain to convert. It all depends how vanilla the code is that you will be migrating. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Hona, David Sent: 07 April 2011 12:03 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Databasic conversion UniVerse PICK flavour account would probably be - out of the box - the path of least resistance. As UniVerse emulates the PICK D3 environment much better than Unidata. Unidata was designed to be a clone of Prime INFORMATION - engineered from the manual up (which including doing this the PI Manual said it could do, but in reality it didn't almost do as published!). Bill H has nicely documented stuff for you already in his post and elsewhere on the Net: http://www.rhinocerus.net/forum/databases-pick/305503-migration-d3-universe- doco.html http://old.nabble.com/RE:-D3-to-U2---how-to-import-a-FileSave-tape-p4361606. html -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: Thursday, 7 April 2011 7:14 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: [U2] Databasic conversion Hi I am looking at a little side project to convert an entire system written in databasic on D3 to run on unidata. The guy i work with says it is a couple of hours work - I am not so sure myself. Anyone done this and know what the 'gotchyas' are ? Cheers Symeon. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ** IMPORTANT MESSAGE * This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ** ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position
Hello Joseph, I would be interested in more info on this position. What is your email address? Joseph Chelston wrote: Hello everyone: I'm just trying to limit competition from other recruiters by not disclosing too much information on this forum. I apologize if this is a problem for anyone. I'm just trying to find good candidates and I know they are on this forum. Thank you! Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter BSG Staffing Group LLC PO Box 8651 Turnersville, NJ 08012 Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com This message and any attachments may contain confidential or privileged information and are only for the use of the intended recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by return email, and delete or destroy this and all copies of this message and all attachments. Any unauthorized disclosure, use, distribution, or reproduction of this message or any attachments is prohibited and may be unlawful. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:12 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Granted, it could be legit but this just reeks of bait and switch tactics where they build up a list of potentials for a non-existent opportunity then use the info as direct contacts trying to pretend to have a personal history with you. If they give any kind of specific details now, they can be caught by their own fly paper. Now if the job is in Libya -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Garry Smith Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 9:04 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org
Re: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position
Oh, leave poor Joe alone, he's just trying to do his job. Who knows, you might need him someday! -Dianne On 4/7/2011 7:32 AM, Address wrote: Can someone close this thread ? --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Joseph Chelstonj...@bsgstaffing.com wrote: From: Joseph Chelstonj...@bsgstaffing.com Subject: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position To: U2 Users Listu2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:15 AM For the recruiter(s) that have been responding to me purporting to be candidates, please get a life. It's a real shame that you some would have to respond to a real job posting using the stolen identities of other professionals from this group just to try to steal my opening. Not only is it unethical, I believe it is illegal. I will do whatever is necessary to identify you and let the real person know how their name and identity is being used. I'm confident that there will be legal consequences for your actions. If anyone from this group can give me feedback, I'd appreciate it. This isn't funny. It's actually very sad. Regards, Joe ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
I'm guessing that you are converting from d3 to unidata because you are most familiar with unidata? (and less so with d3). Or is there some other benefit of moving the application to unidata specifically? If you aren't tied to unidata, consider Intersystems Cache. D3 migrations to Cache go pretty quickly. Things to be aware of (from d3 to any other system): 1: D3 is case-insensitive by default. In D3 ANYTHING=anyThing. This can be a deal-breaker. 2: D3 applications (especially older ones) are used to having a lot of control of the machine via D3 commands. On unidata and other systems you need to use OS commands. 3: D3 has a rich spooler. Controlling printing on unidata or universe will be very different. 4: In dictionaries, D3 only supports A-types. Unidata (as far as I know) only supports D and V/I types. So every dict item would need to be converted. This in itself could be a couple of months work depending on how the app uses queries. Cache and universe support both types, so would make for a much easier conversion. On Apr 6, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Symeon Breen wrote: Hi I am looking at a little side project to convert an entire system written in databasic on D3 to run on unidata. The guy i work with says it is a couple of hours work - I am not so sure myself. Anyone done this and know what the 'gotchyas' are ? Cheers Symeon. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [AD] Even more editors ..
In a message dated 4/7/2011 5:51:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: In addition to the two excellent editors (Doug's and Charlie's) already mentioned - you can download my free screen editor (Z) and my free Windows based editor (mvDeveloper) from my website ... Be sure to not give a URL in your ad :) Reduce bandwith consumption by making your customers search for your product. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Game changer for U2 editors ([AD] added for Doug)
In a message dated 4/7/2011 12:15:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, syme...@gmail.com writes: Unlimited ftp space - fantastic ;) See how you are. I have unlimited server space in the cloud. At least, after loading up umpteen gigs of data they've never told me to stop. And when I signed up for it, they actually stated that it was unlimited Someone send me a terabyte, let's try it. Dubya ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
In a message dated 4/7/2011 12:17:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, syme...@gmail.com writes: Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera Band-aids work well also, the cotton pad won't gum/scratch the camera and are easy/cheap to replace if you ever need to use the camera. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Mine has never done that so far - it's an Instamatic over in the corner gathering dust. ;^) Charlie On 04-07-2011 10:11 AM, fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/7/2011 12:17:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, syme...@gmail.com writes: Now thats what you call targeting advertising - google knows everything that you are doing 24x7 !! That's funny but not. I was playing with my notepad and some program turned on my cam when I didn't even know it was going to do that. You know those cams spy on you when you're sleeping and stuff. It's all part of the master plan. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
In a message dated 4/7/2011 8:32:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes: That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera How many ducks had to die for your tape ! The horror! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position
Just Gilbert. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position In a message dated 4/7/2011 8:32:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ggal...@wyanokegroup.com writes: That's why I have duck tape over my built in camera on my laptop. I hate camera's that don't have a manual lens cover. You never know when one of those spyware programs will activate the camera How many ducks had to die for your tape ! The horror! ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [AD] Even more editors ..
I guess the brianleach.co.uk part of the email addr wasn't the first place you looked? :) :) Ron -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [AD] Even more editors .. In a message dated 4/7/2011 5:51:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: In addition to the two excellent editors (Doug's and Charlie's) already mentioned - you can download my free screen editor (Z) and my free Windows based editor (mvDeveloper) from my website ... Be sure to not give a URL in your ad :) Reduce bandwith consumption by making your customers search for your product. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [AD] Even more editors ..
There's always one in every crowd I guess the brianleach.co.uk part of the email addr wasn't the first place you looked? :) :) -Original Message- From: Ron Walenciak r...@sdg-nj.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [U2] [AD] Even more editors .. I guess the brianleach.co.uk part of the email addr wasn't the first place you looked? :) :) Ron -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 10:56 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [AD] Even more editors .. In a message dated 4/7/2011 5:51:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: In addition to the two excellent editors (Doug's and Charlie's) already mentioned - you can download my free screen editor (Z) and my free Windows based editor (mvDeveloper) from my website ... Be sure to not give a URL in your ad :) Reduce bandwith consumption by making your customers search for your product. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] Has anyone ever heard of Kyle Stetson?
Has anyone ever heard of this guy? Any reference points would be appreciated. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter BSG Staffing Group LLC PO Box 8651 Turnersville, NJ 08012 Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com This message and any attachments may contain confidential or privileged information and are only for the use of the intended recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by return email, and delete or destroy this and all copies of this message and all attachments. Any unauthorized disclosure, use, distribution, or reproduction of this message or any attachments is prohibited and may be unlawful. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Has anyone ever heard of Kyle Stetson?
Cowboy hats? On 07/04/2011 21:54, Joseph Chelston wrote: Has anyone ever heard of this guy? Any reference points would be appreciated. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter BSG Staffing Group LLC PO Box 8651 Turnersville, NJ 08012 Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com This message and any attachments may contain confidential or privileged information and are only for the use of the intended recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by return email, and delete or destroy this and all copies of this message and all attachments. Any unauthorized disclosure, use, distribution, or reproduction of this message or any attachments is prohibited and may be unlawful. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position
From:Joseph Chelston I'm just trying to limit competition from other recruiters by not disclosing too much information on this forum. I apologize if this is a problem for anyone. I'm just trying to find good candidates and I know they are on this forum. I would offer that at this point we don't even know if you're in the right forum. Could you at least offer the identity of the database platform hosted by your client? Seriously, if you said contact me about a SQL job or I need a programmer don't you think you'd get the same kind of response as you've elicited here. The Pick industry is much deeper than you seem to know - it's not all just Pick. You're not representing your client well but this situation can be salvaged productively and perhaps for you profitably. Here are the main issues so far: - We don't know what database your client has. It might not be U2. You say PICK Systems which may actually be for a platform called D3 from the company formerly known as PICK Systems. - Lack of a website for BSGStaffing makes you look like a scammer. Obviously you used to have some site and you have an email server. Otherwise you personally have created a credibility problem for yourself, but again this can be remedied. - Asking for a system administrator is like asking for someone who can use a pencil. We all qualify, so what are the differentiators. Here are some skills that differentiate Pick people: Java, .NET, System Builder, RedBack, FlashCONNECT, Quibic, Temenos Banking, Avante/Dataflow/Manfact, Promax ... Insert the name of any MV industry software package or platform-specific tool. - Knowing the software is one thing but a sysadmin who knows the nature of the specific business is much more valuable than someone who doesn't. Is this banking, retail, manufacturing, pharmaceutical, a medical practice? I could go on (as many here would attest). You've jumped into a forum completely unprepared. Drop me a note and I'll try to help you and your client to better craft your message - or at least to get it to the right audience. Hopping into my business shoes here, you're supposed to be providing value to your client and you expect to be paid for it. I will be happy to send you in the right direction on a pro-bono basis just to keep our colleagues here from getting further annoyed, but if you want more help in getting the right candidate for the position, I'll have the same expectations of fee for service as you have yourself. You can decide after some exchanges if you want to go in that direction. If you don't know how to approach this market and you don't want to get some help to do so, then I recommend you find a different market to offer your services. Good luck, Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position
Forget it Tony. I know Joe, he is genuine and actually got me a job once. Mecki On 07/04/2011 22:05, Tony Gravagno wrote: From:Joseph Chelston I'm just trying to limit competition from other recruiters by not disclosing too much information on this forum. I apologize if this is a problem for anyone. I'm just trying to find good candidates and I know they are on this forum. I would offer that at this point we don't even know if you're in the right forum. Could you at least offer the identity of the database platform hosted by your client? Seriously, if you said contact me about a SQL job or I need a programmer don't you think you'd get the same kind of response as you've elicited here. The Pick industry is much deeper than you seem to know - it's not all just Pick. You're not representing your client well but this situation can be salvaged productively and perhaps for you profitably. Here are the main issues so far: - We don't know what database your client has. It might not be U2. You say PICK Systems which may actually be for a platform called D3 from the company formerly known as PICK Systems. - Lack of a website for BSGStaffing makes you look like a scammer. Obviously you used to have some site and you have an email server. Otherwise you personally have created a credibility problem for yourself, but again this can be remedied. - Asking for a system administrator is like asking for someone who can use a pencil. We all qualify, so what are the differentiators. Here are some skills that differentiate Pick people: Java, .NET, System Builder, RedBack, FlashCONNECT, Quibic, Temenos Banking, Avante/Dataflow/Manfact, Promax ... Insert the name of any MV industry software package or platform-specific tool. - Knowing the software is one thing but a sysadmin who knows the nature of the specific business is much more valuable than someone who doesn't. Is this banking, retail, manufacturing, pharmaceutical, a medical practice? I could go on (as many here would attest). You've jumped into a forum completely unprepared. Drop me a note and I'll try to help you and your client to better craft your message - or at least to get it to the right audience. Hopping into my business shoes here, you're supposed to be providing value to your client and you expect to be paid for it. I will be happy to send you in the right direction on a pro-bono basis just to keep our colleagues here from getting further annoyed, but if you want more help in getting the right candidate for the position, I'll have the same expectations of fee for service as you have yourself. You can decide after some exchanges if you want to go in that direction. If you don't know how to approach this market and you don't want to get some help to do so, then I recommend you find a different market to offer your services. Good luck, Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position
Probably :^) The name I got was Address -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:08 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position Why? Are you one of the recruiters trying to poach Joe's client?:-) On 07/04/2011 12:32, Address wrote: Can someone close this thread ? --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Joseph Chelston j...@bsgstaffing.com wrote: From: Joseph Chelston j...@bsgstaffing.com Subject: [U2] update: PICK Systems Administrator position To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 7:15 AM For the recruiter(s) that have been responding to me purporting to be candidates, please get a life. It's a real shame that you some would have to respond to a real job posting using the stolen identities of other professionals from this group just to try to steal my opening. Not only is it unethical, I believe it is illegal. I will do whatever is necessary to identify you and let the real person know how their name and identity is being used. I'm confident that there will be legal consequences for your actions. If anyone from this group can give me feedback, I'd appreciate it. This isn't funny. It's actually very sad. Regards, Joe ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
Ed, Unidata has always supported A-types and still does, so no conversion to I-types is necessary. I am pretty sure S-types also work - it has been a while, though :-) . AFAIK UD can be run in case insensitive mode as well. I always turned case-insensitivity off in D3 because I think it's a real pain in the neck. Sounded great to start with but when you see the first printouts (i.e. invoices) you curse yourself if you didn't turn it off.:-( On 07/04/2011 15:44, Ed Clark wrote: I'm guessing that you are converting from d3 to unidata because you are most familiar with unidata? (and less so with d3). Or is there some other benefit of moving the application to unidata specifically? If you aren't tied to unidata, consider Intersystems Cache. D3 migrations to Cache go pretty quickly. Things to be aware of (from d3 to any other system): 1: D3 is case-insensitive by default. In D3 ANYTHING=anyThing. This can be a deal-breaker. 2: D3 applications (especially older ones) are used to having a lot of control of the machine via D3 commands. On unidata and other systems you need to use OS commands. 3: D3 has a rich spooler. Controlling printing on unidata or universe will be very different. 4: In dictionaries, D3 only supports A-types. Unidata (as far as I know) only supports D and V/I types. So every dict item would need to be converted. This in itself could be a couple of months work depending on how the app uses queries. Cache and universe support both types, so would make for a much easier conversion. On Apr 6, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Symeon Breen wrote: Hi I am looking at a little side project to convert an entire system written in databasic on D3 to run on unidata. The guy i work with says it is a couple of hours work - I am not so sure myself. Anyone done this and know what the 'gotchyas' are ? Cheers Symeon. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position
I've known Joe since the 90's and he does know what Pick is. I've worked through him or on a job found by him twice in the past. I agree that the database platform would be an interesting piece of the puzzle. :) I'm guessing that he's coming at it from the point of view of a Pick programming job, where if you know one pick you can probably work at any other pick site (and it was nice of you to prod him into the right direction regarding what a system admin would need to know.) I'm also guessing that he knows enough about Universe/Unidata to be on the right list. Or not, and at this point I'll let him speak for himself and bow out. :) Ron Ron Walenciak The Software Design Group -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:06 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position From:Joseph Chelston I'm just trying to limit competition from other recruiters by not disclosing too much information on this forum. I apologize if this is a problem for anyone. I'm just trying to find good candidates and I know they are on this forum. I would offer that at this point we don't even know if you're in the right forum. Could you at least offer the identity of the database platform hosted by your client? Seriously, if you said contact me about a SQL job or I need a programmer don't you think you'd get the same kind of response as you've elicited here. The Pick industry is much deeper than you seem to know - it's not all just Pick. You're not representing your client well but this situation can be salvaged productively and perhaps for you profitably. Here are the main issues so far: - We don't know what database your client has. It might not be U2. You say PICK Systems which may actually be for a platform called D3 from the company formerly known as PICK Systems. - Lack of a website for BSGStaffing makes you look like a scammer. Obviously you used to have some site and you have an email server. Otherwise you personally have created a credibility problem for yourself, but again this can be remedied. - Asking for a system administrator is like asking for someone who can use a pencil. We all qualify, so what are the differentiators. Here are some skills that differentiate Pick people: Java, .NET, System Builder, RedBack, FlashCONNECT, Quibic, Temenos Banking, Avante/Dataflow/Manfact, Promax ... Insert the name of any MV industry software package or platform-specific tool. - Knowing the software is one thing but a sysadmin who knows the nature of the specific business is much more valuable than someone who doesn't. Is this banking, retail, manufacturing, pharmaceutical, a medical practice? I could go on (as many here would attest). You've jumped into a forum completely unprepared. Drop me a note and I'll try to help you and your client to better craft your message - or at least to get it to the right audience. Hopping into my business shoes here, you're supposed to be providing value to your client and you expect to be paid for it. I will be happy to send you in the right direction on a pro-bono basis just to keep our colleagues here from getting further annoyed, but if you want more help in getting the right candidate for the position, I'll have the same expectations of fee for service as you have yourself. You can decide after some exchanges if you want to go in that direction. If you don't know how to approach this market and you don't want to get some help to do so, then I recommend you find a different market to offer your services. Good luck, Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position
Thank you Mecki I appreciate your comment. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter BSG Staffing Group LLC PO Box 8651 Turnersville, NJ 08012 Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com This message and any attachments may contain confidential or privileged information and are only for the use of the intended recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by return email, and delete or destroy this and all copies of this message and all attachments. Any unauthorized disclosure, use, distribution, or reproduction of this message or any attachments is prohibited and may be unlawful. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 5:09 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Forget it Tony. I know Joe, he is genuine and actually got me a job once. Mecki On 07/04/2011 22:05, Tony Gravagno wrote: From:Joseph Chelston I'm just trying to limit competition from other recruiters by not disclosing too much information on this forum. I apologize if this is a problem for anyone. I'm just trying to find good candidates and I know they are on this forum. I would offer that at this point we don't even know if you're in the right forum. Could you at least offer the identity of the database platform hosted by your client? Seriously, if you said contact me about a SQL job or I need a programmer don't you think you'd get the same kind of response as you've elicited here. The Pick industry is much deeper than you seem to know - it's not all just Pick. You're not representing your client well but this situation can be salvaged productively and perhaps for you profitably. Here are the main issues so far: - We don't know what database your client has. It might not be U2. You say PICK Systems which may actually be for a platform called D3 from the company formerly known as PICK Systems. - Lack of a website for BSGStaffing makes you look like a scammer. Obviously you used to have some site and you have an email server. Otherwise you personally have created a credibility problem for yourself, but again this can be remedied. - Asking for a system administrator is like asking for someone who can use a pencil. We all qualify, so what are the differentiators. Here are some skills that differentiate Pick people: Java, .NET, System Builder, RedBack, FlashCONNECT, Quibic, Temenos Banking, Avante/Dataflow/Manfact, Promax ... Insert the name of any MV industry software package or platform-specific tool. - Knowing the software is one thing but a sysadmin who knows the nature of the specific business is much more valuable than someone who doesn't. Is this banking, retail, manufacturing, pharmaceutical, a medical practice? I could go on (as many here would attest). You've jumped into a forum completely unprepared. Drop me a note and I'll try to help you and your client to better craft your message - or at least to get it to the right audience. Hopping into my business shoes here, you're supposed to be providing value to your client and you expect to be paid for it. I will be happy to send you in the right direction on a pro-bono basis just to keep our colleagues here from getting further annoyed, but if you want more help in getting the right candidate for the position, I'll have the same expectations of fee for service as you have yourself. You can decide after some exchanges if you want to go in that direction. If you don't know how to approach this market and you don't want to get some help to do so, then I recommend you find a different market to offer your services. Good luck, Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position
My wager is pre-OA system. A true Pick R83 that some small manufacturing shop has had running for 20 years. I'll put two bucks on it! Will In a message dated 4/7/2011 2:44:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, r...@sdg-nj.com writes: I've known Joe since the 90's and he does know what Pick is. I've worked through him or on a job found by him twice in the past. I agree that the database platform would be an interesting piece of the puzzle. :) I'm guessing that he's coming at it from the point of view of a Pick programming job, where if you know one pick you can probably work at any other pick site (and it was nice of you to prod him into the right direction regarding what a system admin would need to know.) I'm also guessing that he knows enough about Universe/Unidata to be on the right list. Or not, and at this point I'll let him speak for himself and bow out. :) Ron Ron Walenciak The Software Design Group ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
From: Mecki Foerthmann AFAIK UD can be run in case insensitive mode as well. I always turned case-insensitivity off in D3 because I think it's a real pain in the neck. Sounded great to start with but when you see the first printouts (i.e. invoices) you curse yourself if you didn't turn it off.:-( Not to (re)start a war but just present the other side: I consider case-insensitivity to be one strong advantage in D3 over other platforms. I constantly stumble on the requirement to get the casing just right at TCL and elsewhere in some MV environments when it's completely unnecessary and archaic that we should need to stumble on such a thing. Same goes for the difference between dashes and dots (LIST-ITEM vs LIST.ITEM) which is nicely translated for us in QM, Caché, and maybe in some flavors in U2. So just to balance it out. Some people swear at case-insensitivity, but I swear by it. WRT the OP : As soon as I saw the question about D3 to Unidata I immediately thought of the years of pain to which Bill Haskett was subjected. From his experience I swore off ever porting to Unidata. YMMV Symeon, perhaps in another thread (or email) you could explain why a site feels a need to migrate from D3, and then why they chose Unidata. With apologies to the sensitive, I don't think a migration from D3 is justified except for some extreme cases, and as to choosing Unidata, I don't see the business or technical benefits at all. Oh OK, I'll start a holy war. The only compelling reason for migration from a competing platform to U2 _used_ to be the IBM name. That doesn't exist anymore. Now these platforms need to compete on their technical merits and Rocket needs to sell itself on superiority as a business partner. Sorry folks but I don't see any of that. Really - where's the beef? U2 is good software and the U2 team at Rocket are good people. But I don't see any compelling reasons to choose this platform over any other these days. The political can't get fired for buying IBM edge is gone. Feel free to defend the platform because you've already made the investment and it's politically correct for you to take an obvious position, but be prepared for some pragmatic requests for more compelling reasoning. I'd really like to understand why any site would want to migrate to U2 these days. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
G-man: I'll add some personal observations here. We moved from D3 to U2 because of cost and stability of the NT product. U2 was (and is) significantly less expensive (especially the Workgroup edition) both in license fees and support fees. U2's device licensing makes the cost disparity even wider between the two products. In addition, the NT implementation was (and probably still is) significantly more stable and faster than D3. As much as I abhor case sensitivity, this wasn't the biggest problem with a D3 to UniData conversion. As I've mentioned before, the recommended conversion path is from D3 to UniVerse, not to UniData! This was confirmed by IBM and U2 engineers. If I had to do our conversion again, I'd be seriously looking at QM and Cache, because deployment costs are what make or break moving an MV application to the web (e.g. we're competing with other technologies which are very inexpensive to deploy relative to MV). I'd look at QM to reduce deployment costs and at Cache to reduce both deployment costs and development costs. But then, I don't have any direct experience with either of these products or companies. :-( HTH, Bill - Original Message - *From:* 3xk547...@sneakemail.com *To:* u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 4/7/2011 4:58 PM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Databasic conversion From: Mecki Foerthmann AFAIK UD can be run in case insensitive mode as well. I always turned case-insensitivity off in D3 because I think it's a real pain in the neck. Sounded great to start with but when you see the first printouts (i.e. invoices) you curse yourself if you didn't turn it off.:-( Not to (re)start a war but just present the other side: I consider case-insensitivity to be one strong advantage in D3 over other platforms. I constantly stumble on the requirement to get the casing just right at TCL and elsewhere in some MV environments when it's completely unnecessary and archaic that we should need to stumble on such a thing. Same goes for the difference between dashes and dots (LIST-ITEM vs LIST.ITEM) which is nicely translated for us in QM, Caché, and maybe in some flavors in U2. So just to balance it out. Some people swear at case-insensitivity, but I swear by it. WRT the OP : As soon as I saw the question about D3 to Unidata I immediately thought of the years of pain to which Bill Haskett was subjected. From his experience I swore off ever porting to Unidata. YMMV Symeon, perhaps in another thread (or email) you could explain why a site feels a need to migrate from D3, and then why they chose Unidata. With apologies to the sensitive, I don't think a migration from D3 is justified except for some extreme cases, and as to choosing Unidata, I don't see the business or technical benefits at all. Oh OK, I'll start a holy war. The only compelling reason for migration from a competing platform to U2 _used_ to be the IBM name. That doesn't exist anymore. Now these platforms need to compete on their technical merits and Rocket needs to sell itself on superiority as a business partner. Sorry folks but I don't see any of that. Really - where's the beef? U2 is good software and the U2 team at Rocket are good people. But I don't see any compelling reasons to choose this platform over any other these days. The political can't get fired for buying IBM edge is gone. Feel free to defend the platform because you've already made the investment and it's politically correct for you to take an obvious position, but be prepared for some pragmatic requests for more compelling reasoning. I'd really like to understand why any site would want to migrate to U2 these days. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Has anyone ever heard of Kyle Stetson?
Kyle is on Late Night with David Letterman. --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: From: Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [U2] Has anyone ever heard of Kyle Stetson? To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:00 PM Cowboy hats? On 07/04/2011 21:54, Joseph Chelston wrote: Has anyone ever heard of this guy? Any reference points would be appreciated. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter BSG Staffing Group LLC PO Box 8651 Turnersville, NJ 08012 Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com This message and any attachments may contain confidential or privileged information and are only for the use of the intended recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by return email, and delete or destroy this and all copies of this message and all attachments. Any unauthorized disclosure, use, distribution, or reproduction of this message or any attachments is prohibited and may be unlawful. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
Flame on Johnny Storm. I think Tony you're missing the Pick calling card which is the application. If you have a Pizza shop and are running um... Pizza Warrior 3.5 or whatever and it's crappy And I show you Pizza Hero 6.5 (which just happens to run in Universe) and you think it's super duper. Then you, the business owner, doesn't or shouldn't care what Universe is, as long as my solution is super and probably cheaper. That's the Pick way! Sell to the cheap bastards and then when their hooked keep upping your licensing fees. Dubya What's your ERP buster? -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 4:58 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Databasic conversion From: Mecki Foerthmann AFAIK UD can be run in case insensitive mode as well. I always turned case-insensitivity off in D3 because I think it's a real pain in the neck. Sounded great to start with but when you see the first printouts (i.e. invoices) you curse yourself if you didn't turn it off.:-( Not to (re)start a war but just present the other side: I consider case-insensitivity to be one strong advantage in D3 over other platforms. I constantly stumble on the requirement to get the casing just right at TCL and elsewhere in some MV environments when it's completely unnecessary and archaic that we should need to stumble on such a thing. Same goes for the difference between dashes and dots (LIST-ITEM vs LIST.ITEM) which is nicely translated for us in QM, Caché, and maybe in some flavors in U2. So just to balance it out. Some people swear at case-insensitivity, but I swear by it. WRT the OP : As soon as I saw the question about D3 to Unidata I immediately thought of the years of pain to which Bill Haskett was subjected. From his experience I swore off ever porting to Unidata. YMMV Symeon, perhaps in another thread (or email) you could explain why a site feels a need to migrate from D3, and then why they chose Unidata. With apologies to the sensitive, I don't think a migration from D3 is justified except for some extreme cases, and as to choosing Unidata, I don't see the business or technical benefits at all. Oh OK, I'll start a holy war. The only compelling reason for migration from a competing platform to U2 _used_ to be the IBM name. That doesn't exist anymore. Now these platforms need to compete on their technical merits and Rocket needs to sell itself on superiority as a business partner. Sorry folks but I don't see any of that. Really - where's the beef? U2 is good software and the U2 team at Rocket are good people. But I don't see any compelling reasons to choose this platform over any other these days. The political can't get fired for buying IBM edge is gone. Feel free to defend the platform because you've already made the investment and it's politically correct for you to take an obvious position, but be prepared for some pragmatic requests for more compelling reasoning. I'd really like to understand why any site would want to migrate to U2 these days. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Has anyone ever heard of Kyle Stetson?
Has anybody heard of address??? Or mrparkland??? Why don't people sign their name??? So rude and inappropriate. Laura -Original Message- From: Address [mrparkl...@yahoo.com] Date: 04/07/2011 10:22 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Has anyone ever heard of Kyle Stetson? Kyle is on Late Night with David Letterman. --- On Thu, 4/7/11, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net; wrote: From: Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net; Subject: Re: [U2] Has anyone ever heard of Kyle Stetson? To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 5:00 PM Cowboy hats? On 07/04/2011 21:54, Joseph Chelston wrote: Has anyone ever heard of this guy? Any reference points would be appreciated. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter BSG Staffing Group LLC PO Box 8651 Turnersville, NJ 08012 Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com This message and any attachments may contain confidential or privileged information and are only for the use of the intended recipient of this message. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by return email, and delete or destroy this and all copies of this message and all attachments. Any unauthorized disclosure, use, distribution, or reproduction of this message or any attachments is prohibited and may be unlawful. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
From: Will Johnson I think Tony you're missing the Pick calling card which is the application. Your response was unrelated to my inquiry about porting from other MV platforms to U2. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Databasic conversion
My response Tony was related to your paragraph: But I don't see any compelling reasons to choose this platform over any other these days. Perhaps you meant any other MV Platform. But I read it as ANY other platform. -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2011 9:53 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Databasic conversion From: Will Johnson I think Tony you're missing the Pick calling card which is the application. Your response was unrelated to my inquiry about porting from other MV platforms to U2. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position
From: Mecki Foerthmann Forget it Tony. I know Joe, he is genuine and actually got me a job once. Then he should have known better. Obviously he didn't provide the information that candidates need to decide whether or not they feel they're qualified. Everyone's time here has been wasted by this genuine service provider. He's also obviously seen our exchanges here and has chosen not to provide a minimal amount of information. He's compounded his error rather than fixing it - and even took the time to complain about his own business problems in the process. I don't get into this mode when people are sincerely in need of help. I have no problem when someone is really clueless but interested in getting an education or finding some help. I do get bent when people who are supposed to be professional make every amateur mistake possible and don't take steps to correct it. With each day that goes by, this guy alienates himself from more opportunities to do business in this market. Why do I get bent about this? Because when this is over yet another end-user is going to have more proof of how hard it is to find talent in this industry, and some good technicians might remain jobless in a tough economy. Everyone in this market suffers through the incompetence of people like this and no one else says anything about it. I feel bad being an occasional loudmouth on stuff like this in our community but to me it's worth it if any individual or company benefits. T ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
