Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
What specific advantage does Eclipse give to U2 developers ? It's a standard doesn't really impress me, unless there is something I can use myself, today. I'm not asking what BDT gives me, what does Eclipse give me. And the ability to use BDT is not a valid argument. -Original Message- From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Hi Bill: After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not DIR files. So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Will I was pointing out eclipse gives the ability to run a tool on windows and linux. The alternative is that Rocket built a tool that only runs on windows. Whilst I am not particularly fond of eclipse I understand the reasoning for it. Similar reason why Doug uses it as a base for his tools. Eclipse comes from IBM and has a number of third party development tools that can interface with that environment. For U2 Developers, they have access to a free tool, the same for web developer, restful services, etc. Other environments may have attracted a charge for the base tools the environment is built. Whilst it is easy to knock a solution, the key is to provide a better alternative and at this stage I have not seen a better alternative for Rocket to base its tools on. David -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 9:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT What specific advantage does Eclipse give to U2 developers ? It's a standard doesn't really impress me, unless there is something I can use myself, today. I'm not asking what BDT gives me, what does Eclipse give me. And the ability to use BDT is not a valid argument. -Original Message- From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Hi Bill: After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not DIR files. So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
For U2 developers, what specific tool does Eclipse allow me to use, other than BDT in general? If the sole purpose is to allow the use of BDT for either Windows or Linux I see a vanishingly small market for such an ability. -Original Message- From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sun, Mar 11, 2012 4:52 am Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Will I was pointing out eclipse gives the ability to run a tool on windows and linux. The alternative is that Rocket built a tool that only runs on windows. Whilst I am not particularly fond of eclipse I understand the reasoning for it. Similar reason why Doug uses it as a base for his tools. Eclipse comes from IBM and has a number of third party development tools that can interface with that environment. For U2 Developers, they have access to a free tool, the same for web developer, restful services, etc. Other environments may have attracted a charge for the base tools the environment is built. Whilst it is easy to knock a solution, the key is to provide a better alternative and at this stage I have not seen a better alternative for Rocket to base its tools on. David -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 9:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT What specific advantage does Eclipse give to U2 developers ? It's a standard doesn't really impress me, unless there is something I can use myself, today. I'm not asking what BDT gives me, what does Eclipse give me. And the ability to use BDT is not a valid argument. -Original Message- From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Hi Bill: After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not DIR files. So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
On 11/03/12 11:57, Wjhonson wrote: For U2 developers, what specific tool does Eclipse allow me to use, other than BDT in general? If the sole purpose is to allow the use of BDT for either Windows or Linux I see a vanishingly small market for such an ability. Eclipse is a developer framework. Dunno much about it, but the big advantage it has is a LOT of people know it. It's also Free (libre) so it's easy to extend if you want to. If we want U2 to fit in well with other environments, rather than living in a silo on its own, Eclipse is a good fit. It wouldn't surprise me if lots of DB2 stuff is written in Eclipse, Oracle stuff, Java stuff, etc etc. I take your point about not another tool for us long-suffering U2 guys to learn, but the point is this is a tool that a lot of non-U2 guys know, and we ought to know it too. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] U2-Users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 3
Hello, My name is Ken and I'm new here. If I have any questions do I post them here or other site? Also, does anyone know where I can get help with the following: Manfact II (wIntegrate v3.0.01) w/ UniVerse DBMS (v9.5.1.1, same build) UV/ODBC Server (v3.7.0.0, same build). My main questions are setting up printing, local/network Build Screen function. Thank you in Advance Ken JG -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 12:00 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: U2-Users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 3 Send U2-Users mailing list submissions to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org You can reach the person managing the list at u2-users-ow...@listserver.u2ug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of U2-Users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Where can I get UniAdmin? (Tony Gravagno) 2. Re: Where can I get UniAdmin? (Don) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:43:57 -0800 From: Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Where can I get UniAdmin? Message-ID: 5211-1330735447-988...@sneakemail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm providing notes about XAdmin since we're here. Bottom line, it's working fine. I installed the DBTools but originally put them under: C:\Program Files\Rocket Software\U2\U2Tools The first startup failed, saying I should look for a log under U2Tools\v3. That log wasn't there. I suspect a W7 permissions issue and figured this is why the installer wanted to install under the c:\U2 directory in the first place. But after so many years isn't it clear yet that products should be installed under Program Files, not root, and that should be written to %AppData% (different for W7/XP, etc)? I uninstalled but the Program Files tree remained. Apparently the uninstall doesn't remove the JRE6 that it installed. OK, that's another issue. First, why not mandate the JRE get installed into a common location first? Second, if you're going to install software, uninstall it too. I put my second installation under C:\Databases\U2\U2Tools, since I have all of my databases in that tree as well. On startup I did get the XAdmin. Yay. I created a Server reference and attempted to Connect, got error 39202. Recognized this as an RPC error and ... oops, I had shutdown Universe. Start services, got connect. Yay. On first connect got message that the Server programs are out-of-date with option to update XTOOLSUB to v3.100.0. Click OK. Wait. Nothing. Is something happening? Guess not. Move on. Open Tasks/Network Services to change telnet/ssh ports (avoid conflicts with other MV products). Change my Universe service to use the new telnet port for debugging. Now set Windows Firewall to allow the new ports. Connect in from outside. Yay! I hope that helps someone (whether U2Tools developers or fellow users). Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com Nebula RD sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products Worldwide, and provides related development services Remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit http://PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno http://groups.google.com/group/mvdbms/about From: Daniel McGrath Hi Tony, We are aware of the delta in functionality between UniAdmin and XAdmin. This delta is addressed in our upcoming U2 DBTools for which you won't have long to wait. For anyone using UniAdmin, I encourage you to keep a look out for this release and check out XAdmin. We are always looking for customer feedback on our products. Dan McGrath U2 Product Manager | Rocket Software -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 21:25:50 -0500 From: Don u2-us...@southeast-florida.com To: 'U2 Users List' u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Where can I get UniAdmin? Message-ID: 001701ccf8e4$f43cf7d0$dcb6e770$@southeast-florida.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tony, When I had to install U2 (Unidata stuff) after some years of not using on a Win7 machine (although it's not specifically related to Win7) I tried to install some stuff under the traditional C:\Program Files (x86) instead of the default c:\u2 and ran into the same issues Tony did. In this day and age U2 needs start to understand spaces in paths, etc. and Windows standards. I hate having to specify rogue program files outside the windows standard location for such data (i.e. C:\Program Files [x86]\ in my backup plan. [end rant].
Re: [U2] U2-Users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 3
On 11/03/12 16:03, Allteq - Tech Support wrote: Hello, My name is Ken and I'm new here. If I have any questions do I post them here or other site? Also, does anyone know where I can get help with the following: Manfact II (wIntegrate v3.0.01) w/ UniVerse DBMS (v9.5.1.1, same build) UV/ODBC Server (v3.7.0.0, same build). My main questions are setting up printing, local/network Build Screen function. Thank you in Advance Ken JG If you want help with Universe, this is a good place. But 9.5.1.1 and wIntegrate 3 - crumbs that's old! Try asking a few more detailed questions and we'll do our best to help. Oh - and if you want to make active use of the list you're better off with individual emails, not the digest. And if you're not careful you'll bring the moderators' wrath down upon you :-) You're supposed to trim your emails, and not trimming a digest is particularly heinous :-) (plus, seriously, it'll badly annoy the list software!) Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
What does Eclipse bring to the table for U2 Developers? (Slightly paraphrased). Eclipse is an IDE that has plug-ins. These plug-ins can do many things: 1) Editing programs, dictionaries and data 2) Version control using standards like CVS, SVN, GIT, Perforce, Team Foundation 2) Resizing database files 3) Installer for database files, dictionaries, procs, paragraphs, and programs. 4) Web Developer 5) U2 Administrator functions 6) Other plug-ins for languages like PHP, C++, C, and many more. In addition to those plug-ins, Eclipse can be leveraged to do everything you can do from TCL/ECL. 1) Copy and Paste that is thousand times faster than COPY 2) Creating files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 3) Renaming files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 4) Deleting files, programs, dictionaries, procs, and paragraphs 5) Windows like explorer to see all of files in account instead of LISTFL 6) Ability to filter the explorer to see only the files you want 6) Ability to copy from U2 Databases to local for Version Control Miscellaneous: 1) IDE interface like Visual Studio and others 2) Learning curve is a few days to several weeks depending on prior IDE experience 3) Local history for all editor changes 4) Ability to have several accounts open at once 5) Built-in compare editor 6) Built-in search engine instead of ESEARCH There is real power, efficiency that can be gained from an Eclipse IDE. I've been using Eclipse IDE since 2004 and cannot believe what a better environment I'm in. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com XLr8Editor for U2 that works, period. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] New U2 BDT
Hi Will Eclipse is the same interface for the U2 Web Services, the U2 Restful Services, the U2 xml tools, the U2 EDA tools, U2 Web Developer. It is a common interface for the range of U2 products, not just BDT. It is an IDE used by other technology companies to host their tools. It also has interfaces for other products. Even Microsoft has an interface for Eclipse tools to integrate with Azure cloud services. Eclipse also runs on Apple's Macintosh. With a growing base in that market, Rocket can provide tools for developers who prefer to work in that environment. David Jordan ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Global Catalog: Universe vs. Unidata
Good info, thanks for the page reference! On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:51 PM, Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Universe shared memory can bite. The speed improvement is probably not an issue, unless you are truly running a subroutine ten thousand times every hour. -Original Message- From: Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:48 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Global Catalog: Universe vs. Unidata The concept is similar, but there's an additional step. See UV 11.1 Administering Universe pdF, Chapter 18, UniAdmin pdf, Chapter 16, Managing Catalog Shared Menu. ost UV shops in my experience don't bother with it, but I think it's a ood tool and not difficult to master. cds On 3/9/2012 6:02 PM, Kevin King wrote: On Unidata, globally cataloguing a program causes it to run in a separate memory space so that if 10 users are running the program, only one copy of the routine is loaded into memory. From the docs: Multiple users can run globally cataloged programs simultaneously — UniData brings one copy of the program into shared memory. Is the same true for globally cataloguing on Universe? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users __ 2-Users mailing list 2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org ttp://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] wIntegrate (ManFact II Ver 3.0.01)
Hello All, Thank you in advance. Is someone proficient in wIntegrate ManFact II, is so please contact me. I have some questions regarding setting up network printers, printing formats and BuildScreen formatting. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:00 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: U2-Users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 10 Send U2-Users mailing list submissions to u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to u2-users-requ...@listserver.u2ug.org You can reach the person managing the list at u2-users-ow...@listserver.u2ug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of U2-Users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: New U2 BDT (David Jordan) 2. Re: New U2 BDT (Wjhonson) 3. Re: New U2 BDT (David Jordan) 4. Re: New U2 BDT (Wjhonson) 5. Re: New U2 BDT (Wols Lists) 6. Re: U2-Users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 3 (Allteq - Tech Support) 7. Re: U2-Users Digest, Vol 35, Issue 3 (Wols Lists) 8. Re: New U2 BDT (Doug Averch) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:00:59 +1100 From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Message-ID: 6F91EB9F76538448AB0D1D84E19424D15F2194204A@DACONOSBSERVER2.daconosbs.local Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu, webservices, restful servives, EDA, etc. I support David's comments that rather than putting down products, we need to work with Rocket in how to improve the products. There are many opportunities for test tools and other development tools to be integrated with BDT that could help developers productivity. However Rocket will not invest in this product if we constantly put it down. It is also something as developers should look at how they manage source code. Maybe the source code that is to be edited should be taken out of a library and stored in a development spot which would have a local directory. Whilst there is still work to go on BDT, it is an evolving product and something that makes U2 look more professional something that the community has had to battle with in the eyes of management and consultants Regards David Jordan -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Haskett Sent: Sunday, 11 March 2012 5:32 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Thanks, Doug. Not much of a tool, especially when you have to download and install all the junk that goes with it! :-( Bill - Original Message - *From:* dave...@gmail.com *To:* U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org *Date:* 3/10/2012 9:55 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Hi Bill: After testing BDT, I'm wrong. BDT does recognize environment variables. However, you cannot open or edit any files that are not DIR files. So you are trying to edit an LD file and it does not let you. I figured this out when our editor allowed editing of those files. So there really is not a bug but a BDT feature. Regards, Doug www.u2logic.com XLr8Editor the other Eclipse editor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 06:48:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Wjhonson wjhon...@aol.com To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Message-ID: 8cecd8ba77c393b-de8-8...@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii What specific advantage does Eclipse give to U2 developers ? It's a standard doesn't really impress me, unless there is something I can use myself, today. I'm not asking what BDT gives me, what does Eclipse give me. And the ability to use BDT is not a valid argument. -Original Message- From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [U2] New U2 BDT Bill Eclipse is a pain, but at the moment it provides a base that works for windows and linux offerings. It is a standard base for Rocket tools including datavu,
