Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
Same story with us. Avante, Unidata, Windows. Epicor had several ERP products and Epicor 9 was developed to be the single ERP application for marketing. Development continues on Avante, but I don't think there is much marketing of the Epicor Unidata Products. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tech Man Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:55 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Manage-2000 aka ROI is still under the Epicor flag and using Unidata as the database. Epicor pushes hard to move us off to other products but we are die hards and to my knowledge development is still continuing on this product. We are a loyal bunch and love listening to the traumas of those that have tried to transition off to other offerings with great difficulty. On 4/6/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Harbeson wrote: Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
To purchase a Epicor U2 product you must first know it exists, then beg to buy it. (Unless you're an existing customer, then they will gladly sell you more copies) Development continues - but not nearly at the pace for when the U2 products were in active marketing driven development. Today all development is driven by customer requested features. (Which is actually better than marketing driven) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Michael Martin Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:03 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Same story with us. Avante, Unidata, Windows. Epicor had several ERP products and Epicor 9 was developed to be the single ERP application for marketing. Development continues on Avante, but I don't think there is much marketing of the Epicor Unidata Products. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tech Man Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:55 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Manage-2000 aka ROI is still under the Epicor flag and using Unidata as the database. Epicor pushes hard to move us off to other products but we are die hards and to my knowledge development is still continuing on this product. We are a loyal bunch and love listening to the traumas of those that have tried to transition off to other offerings with great difficulty. On 4/6/2011 12:46 PM, Marc Harbeson wrote: Different products within the Epicor offering. The flagship hunk of junk - E9 runs on progress. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 12:18 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administrator position This is fascinating, although I primarily know these products from a distance. Am I correct that Epicor was UniData. Is it now Progress instead? Have customers moved from UniData to Progress? Was this previously Intuit Eclipse that runs on UniVerse? What DBMS will this new company favor? Does anyone have any more clues on this? --dawn On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Garry Smith gar...@charlesmcmurray.comwrote: Could be for our ex-var Activant Eclipse that just got re-sold to another equity investor. Private equity firm Apax Partners plans to acquire business-application makers Epicor Software and Activant Solutions and combine them into a single mid-market company with annual revenue of $825 million. - Information Week 4/5 Most of these are U2 based applications. Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bob Woodward Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:56 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position It's obviously a new installation at the nuclear missile base that Santa is building at the North pole! Or maybe this is a fishing expedition with a safety pin for a hook. You decide. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:49 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Please email directly and I'll be happy to discuss with you. This is a very confidential position. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Marc Harbeson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:38 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position Can you at least say southern CA or northern NY or something in the ballpark of where on earth it is located? -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Chelston Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 11:22 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] PICK Systems Administrator position We are seeking a PICK Systems Administrator for a long term contract position. Due to confidentiality, we will not post specific details on this forum. Please email me if you are interested exploring. I'll be happy to give you the full details of this opportunity direct. Regards, Joe Chelston Executive Recruiter Phone: 856.218.1000 Fax: 856.228.8585 Cell: 856.422.4400 Email: j...@bsgstaffing.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too long ago when Epicor was from the top UniData VAR and Datatel was the 2nd. They now both have SQL Server offerings, although to date Datatel's still has UDT in the middle tier AFAIK. --dawn On Wed, Apr
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. On 06/04/2011 19:34, John Carter wrote: I don't usually contribute much to this forum - but I appreciate the chance to stay connected via the great posts here. In this case however, I do have some specific experience relative to this thread that might be beneficial to some. I've worked as a user, Epicor project manager/consultant, and independent ERP consultant since 1985 on several Dataworks/Interactive/Platinum/Epicor products including: DataFlo, Infoflo, and Avante (I've worked with Avante from the original release to the current version), and now Epicor 9. Relative to the Progress/SQL conversations: Epicor 9 can run on SQL or Progress, but our benchmark testing indicated much slower performance on a very beefy SQL machine. Processes, forms and reports were timed at 1/2 to 1/4 the speed that they run on an average Progress server. Additionally, Epicor wasted much of my customer's time claiming that the transition would be simple (it wasn't), and that SQL would be faster, or equal to Progress (it definitely wasn't). We gave up and stayed on Progress - but use SQL for our Replication Server. Regarding functionality - in my opinion Avante and DataFlo can still run circles around Epicor 9 in many applications - the E9 design and functionality is not as deep or well developed yet. However, it is getting most of Epicor's development resources and attention these days and is getting better quickly. I wouldn't advise most of my customers to make the leap yet (but maybe in a couple of years) from Avante/DataFlo to E9, but it was a natural evolution for my customer that was previously using Vista 8. In my opinion, the central benefit to E9 over Avante though is the ability to modify the functionality of the software without modifying the source code. They do this via Business Process Methods (BPM's) and Personalizations. Screen layout and fields are also very easy to modify. Extracting and presenting data is very straightforward and interfaces to MS products pretty seamlessly, in most cases users can perform extracts to Excel out of the box - no IT interface required. Sophisticated reports can be quickly and easily developed using E9's Business Activity Queries (BAQ's) and Dashboards. Both of which can be learned and used by anyone that could in the past use MS Access or some of Excel's advanced functions. This limits IT involvement to only very complex report solutions (which can also be done using BAQ's and Dashboards, but may take a little more time to develop). The most obvious advantage comparing Epicor 9 to Avante for the customers that I have worked with is that making changes to process functionality using Business Process Methods (BPM's) does not inhibit the company from taking EVERY patch or upgrade that is offered. NO KNITTING. The BPM's, BAQ's and Dashboards (custom reports) are easily moved from the previously installed version to the next. So, every time a new release comes out, IT does a quick 1-2 set-up and test, training is developed and implemented for new product functionality associated with the new release (usually less than one week), critical users exercise and test the new version in the Pilot account, then the upgrade/patch is rolled out. We can take advantage of new functionality and bug fixes almost immediately (usually within 2-5 business days of roll-out) without worrying about which modifications might be stepped on or deleted. Sometimes the Epicor 9 experience can be very frustrating, but we believe that Epicor is going in the right direction and within a couple of years E9 will probably match Avante and DataFlo in functionality. In spite of some of the pain associated with being part of the rollout of a new(ish) product, the IT departments at my customers are GLAD that they are on Epicor 9. John H Carter III Impact Business Consulting Corporation Cell (760) 497-5545 Unlocking Your Potential -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 10:51 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition Yeah, I had the feeling some folks took the bait in that direction, particularly once they gave that oh-so-enticing option of SQL Server. I'm particularly amused by this line in the wikipedia page for Progress Progress Software maintains in house consultants to develop and launch its products. That sounds almost like the PeopleSoft model -- hire sales, outsource RD, although they seem to insource them instead. Sorry you have had to go this route due to what would seem to be a reasonable company decision to continue with the ERP vendor and migrate to their latest offering. I recall a time not too
Re: [U2] Epicor and Eclipse Was Re: PICK Systems Administratorposition
lol On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: You forgot the [AD] in the subject line g. Sound like an Epicor sales pitch to me. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
