Re: [U2] FOSS

2013-05-03 Thread Wjhonson
Huh yes it does have to do with the suggestion that someone might want to write 
this in BASIC.

So... it can be included... on that page.
That's what it has to do with this.

I personally Tony, have zero use or interest, in this code.

 However just like any "list of implementations", whenever we do not have a 
BASIC one, we lose the war.

That's always been my argument.  If Pick wants more exposure, we need to expose 
it more.
Not hide it.

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Tony Gravagno <3xk547...@sneakemail.com>
To: u2-users 
Sent: Fri, May 3, 2013 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: [U2] FOSS


From: Wjhonson 
> Tony, the link I posted has tons of free code.

Just no MV BASIC implementation. So the tons of free code there has nothing to 
do with your suggestion that "someone" write something new.

> So "giving it away for free" is not anything new, although I know that
> attacking that idea is your own personal hobby horse :)

I manage and/or contribute to freeware on Google Code, Codeplex, Sourceforge, 
GitHub, PickWiki, my own freeware page, and elsewhere. I also provide 
occasional 
forum support for various freeware projects and Android apps. It's easily 
evident that I don't have any axe to grind against freeware.

> I was just suggesting maybe there could also be a BASIC algorithm
> listed on that link, along with all the other ones listed.

And I just have a visceral reaction when people _assume_ that something of 
value 
is going to be written on uncompensated time, given away for free, and then 
maintained at no cost by people who obviously derive commercial benefit.

You mistake my pro-FOSS comments as attacks. The problem with the FOSS model is 
that it's horrendously abused by people who take but don't give back, by people 
who assume that there is no cost in terms of time or contributions, let alone 
money) for what they consume, but people who casually suggest that someone else 
will provide slave labor for the benefit of all. The FOSS world is a mass 
graveyard of dead projects abandoned by altruistic developers who've been 
abused 
by hoards of people who love their software creations - and when one developer 
is beaten down the locusts fly off to the next project. Our own community has 
hundreds of offerings that have suffered this fate. I support the model enough 
to point out its faults in the hope that good software doesn't go away because 
of the propagation of this inane idea that somehow it's all "free" - as in beer.

One of the problems with this MV industry is that it's all about Take and not 
about Give. If this industry as a whole had a clue what FOSS was about (rather 
than just paying lip service) then we could be following the lead of many other 
platforms out there and attracting new developers.

Far from attacking FOSS, I have strong objections to those who chronically 
don't 
understand how it works, especially when that erodes at our everyday business 
lives. _That_ is the hobby horse that I ride.

T

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Re: [U2] FOSS

2013-05-03 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Wjhonson 
> Tony, the link I posted has tons of free code.

Just no MV BASIC implementation. So the tons of free code there has nothing to 
do with your suggestion that "someone" write something new.

> So "giving it away for free" is not anything new, although I know that
> attacking that idea is your own personal hobby horse :)

I manage and/or contribute to freeware on Google Code, Codeplex, Sourceforge, 
GitHub, PickWiki, my own freeware page, and elsewhere. I also provide 
occasional forum support for various freeware projects and Android apps. It's 
easily evident that I don't have any axe to grind against freeware.

> I was just suggesting maybe there could also be a BASIC algorithm
> listed on that link, along with all the other ones listed.

And I just have a visceral reaction when people _assume_ that something of 
value is going to be written on uncompensated time, given away for free, and 
then maintained at no cost by people who obviously derive commercial benefit.

You mistake my pro-FOSS comments as attacks. The problem with the FOSS model is 
that it's horrendously abused by people who take but don't give back, by people 
who assume that there is no cost in terms of time or contributions, let alone 
money) for what they consume, but people who casually suggest that someone else 
will provide slave labor for the benefit of all. The FOSS world is a mass 
graveyard of dead projects abandoned by altruistic developers who've been 
abused by hoards of people who love their software creations - and when one 
developer is beaten down the locusts fly off to the next project. Our own 
community has hundreds of offerings that have suffered this fate. I support the 
model enough to point out its faults in the hope that good software doesn't go 
away because of the propagation of this inane idea that somehow it's all "free" 
- as in beer.

One of the problems with this MV industry is that it's all about Take and not 
about Give. If this industry as a whole had a clue what FOSS was about (rather 
than just paying lip service) then we could be following the lead of many other 
platforms out there and attracting new developers.

Far from attacking FOSS, I have strong objections to those who chronically 
don't understand how it works, especially when that erodes at our everyday 
business lives. _That_ is the hobby horse that I ride.

T

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