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RE: {Blocked Content} RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Nick - We are talking c#/vb.net here not VB. - in vb.net everything is
strongly typed (it is managed code and compiles to msil and so has to !) -
yes you can get away with not defining and it taking the default of string
but no one does that (do they ??) ...
Rgds
Symeon.
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I'm a C# guy myself. One of the things I like about it is that everything
is
strongly typed. Nothing against VB, but I would probably be one of those
guys
turning my nose down upon VB :)
Thanks,
Nick
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Leach
Sent: Sat 4/14/2007 6:57 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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Nick
I use both - along with just about anything else I can get my hands on.
To all intents and purposes there is NO difference between C# and VB.net.
There was at earlier releases - whether deliberate marketing or not, at 1.0
and 1.1 some aspects of C# did perform better. That's no longer the case
with 2.0 and a lot of total rubbish is talked about the different
capabilities - usually by C# pros wishing to defend their geekiness and
higher fees. But then, 'twas always thus with C++.
In fact, that discussion is just another thing Microsoft have inherited from
the Borland world when they appropriated Delphi for the design of .NET - all
those Borland C++ guys (yes it was always guys) trying to pretend C++ was
faster than Delphi. Wrong..
It's really just a matter of personal style and preference. I tend to use C#
for my own projects and amusement and VB for onsite work - especially if the
code will eventually be maintained and supported by someone else. It's just
that little bit easier to read.
I also prefer the VB syntax for purely IDE purposes - the intellisense works
better when you type
Dim MyVariable as New [and the drop down appears to give you the options ]
as opposed to the C#
[no context for the drop down to appear so you must remember the path
yourself]
System.bloody.long.namespace.path.to.this MyVariable = new [dropdown now
finally appears for] System.bloody.long.namespace.path.to.this();
(As an aside, that's a bit of syntax I've always despised. Why not have a
default constructor that doesn't need you to repeat the class name after
new? How much time/typing would that save?)
And the IDE makes a better job of linking event delegates in VB compared to
C#. Passing var arguments is more clumsy in C# and annoying after VB. On the
other hand, the syntax for generics fits more nicely with C#. Ya Pays Ya
Money..
So essentially - if you want to show off use C#. If you want to produce code
that people can follow, use VB.net. That's really the choice.
At the library level they all work together. So you can always mix and match
if you have a modular design. I've always done that with native Windows
development - VB wrappers (for the look and feel) around Delphi components
(to do the work) and occasional C++ libraries, drawing on the best skills of
the developers I had at the time. People can get too hung up on the
languages. What matters - always - is the design: you can produce crap in
any language!
I would learn both VB and C# anyway and widen your options - the real 'work'
in learning .Net is about understanding the framework and design principles,
and how Windows/GUI/Event oriented applications work anyway. After that, the
syntax comes second.
Brian
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: 14 April 2007 10:34
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
I use VB.NET with uniobjects.net- in the end both c# and
vb.net create msil and there is in reality very little
difference. There is a lot of snobbery out there about c# and
vb.net that I would not advise anyone to get involved in ...
Rgds
Symeon.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick
Cipollina
Sent: 13 April 2007 13:40
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Hello,
I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB
as opposed to C#? And why?
Thanks,
Nick Cipollina
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George Hammerle
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:25 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Hello,
We are in the process of converting some Unibasic/SB+
applications to VB apps using mv.Net. We are several months
into the project and have learned quite a bit. We have spent
a lot of time
RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
I use VB.NET with uniobjects.net- in the end both c# and vb.net create msil and there is in reality very little difference. There is a lot of snobbery out there about c# and vb.net that I would not advise anyone to get involved in ... Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cipollina Sent: 13 April 2007 13:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, We are in the process of converting some Unibasic/SB+ applications to VB apps using mv.Net. We are several months into the project and have learned quite a bit. We have spent a lot of time on design and have created documentation on what should and should not be done. I was wondering if there are any other users that would like to share their experiences and learn from each other? We are also implementing Report Services using mv.Net and these reports are quite impressive. We are a Unidata / SB+ / Unix shop currently using wIntergrate. Thank You, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Nick I use both - along with just about anything else I can get my hands on. To all intents and purposes there is NO difference between C# and VB.net. There was at earlier releases - whether deliberate marketing or not, at 1.0 and 1.1 some aspects of C# did perform better. That's no longer the case with 2.0 and a lot of total rubbish is talked about the different capabilities - usually by C# pros wishing to defend their geekiness and higher fees. But then, 'twas always thus with C++. In fact, that discussion is just another thing Microsoft have inherited from the Borland world when they appropriated Delphi for the design of .NET - all those Borland C++ guys (yes it was always guys) trying to pretend C++ was faster than Delphi. Wrong.. It's really just a matter of personal style and preference. I tend to use C# for my own projects and amusement and VB for onsite work - especially if the code will eventually be maintained and supported by someone else. It's just that little bit easier to read. I also prefer the VB syntax for purely IDE purposes - the intellisense works better when you type Dim MyVariable as New [and the drop down appears to give you the options ] as opposed to the C# [no context for the drop down to appear so you must remember the path yourself] System.bloody.long.namespace.path.to.this MyVariable = new [dropdown now finally appears for] System.bloody.long.namespace.path.to.this(); (As an aside, that's a bit of syntax I've always despised. Why not have a default constructor that doesn't need you to repeat the class name after new? How much time/typing would that save?) And the IDE makes a better job of linking event delegates in VB compared to C#. Passing var arguments is more clumsy in C# and annoying after VB. On the other hand, the syntax for generics fits more nicely with C#. Ya Pays Ya Money.. So essentially - if you want to show off use C#. If you want to produce code that people can follow, use VB.net. That's really the choice. At the library level they all work together. So you can always mix and match if you have a modular design. I've always done that with native Windows development - VB wrappers (for the look and feel) around Delphi components (to do the work) and occasional C++ libraries, drawing on the best skills of the developers I had at the time. People can get too hung up on the languages. What matters - always - is the design: you can produce crap in any language! I would learn both VB and C# anyway and widen your options - the real 'work' in learning .Net is about understanding the framework and design principles, and how Windows/GUI/Event oriented applications work anyway. After that, the syntax comes second. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: 14 April 2007 10:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net I use VB.NET with uniobjects.net- in the end both c# and vb.net create msil and there is in reality very little difference. There is a lot of snobbery out there about c# and vb.net that I would not advise anyone to get involved in ... Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cipollina Sent: 13 April 2007 13:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, We are in the process of converting some Unibasic/SB+ applications to VB apps using mv.Net. We are several months into the project and have learned quite a bit. We have spent a lot of time on design and have created documentation on what should and should not be done. I was wondering if there are any other users that would like to share their experiences and learn from each other? We are also implementing Report Services using mv.Net and these reports are quite impressive. We are a Unidata / SB+ / Unix shop currently using wIntergrate. Thank You, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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Warning: This message has had one or more attachments removed Warning: (not named). Warning: Please read the AngelicHost-Attachment-Warning.txt attachment(s) for more information. I'm a C# guy myself. One of the things I like about it is that everything is strongly typed. Nothing against VB, but I would probably be one of those guys turning my nose down upon VB :) Thanks, Nick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Brian Leach Sent: Sat 4/14/2007 6:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Nick I use both - along with just about anything else I can get my hands on. To all intents and purposes there is NO difference between C# and VB.net. There was at earlier releases - whether deliberate marketing or not, at 1.0 and 1.1 some aspects of C# did perform better. That's no longer the case with 2.0 and a lot of total rubbish is talked about the different capabilities - usually by C# pros wishing to defend their geekiness and higher fees. But then, 'twas always thus with C++. In fact, that discussion is just another thing Microsoft have inherited from the Borland world when they appropriated Delphi for the design of .NET - all those Borland C++ guys (yes it was always guys) trying to pretend C++ was faster than Delphi. Wrong.. It's really just a matter of personal style and preference. I tend to use C# for my own projects and amusement and VB for onsite work - especially if the code will eventually be maintained and supported by someone else. It's just that little bit easier to read. I also prefer the VB syntax for purely IDE purposes - the intellisense works better when you type Dim MyVariable as New [and the drop down appears to give you the options ] as opposed to the C# [no context for the drop down to appear so you must remember the path yourself] System.bloody.long.namespace.path.to.this MyVariable = new [dropdown now finally appears for] System.bloody.long.namespace.path.to.this(); (As an aside, that's a bit of syntax I've always despised. Why not have a default constructor that doesn't need you to repeat the class name after new? How much time/typing would that save?) And the IDE makes a better job of linking event delegates in VB compared to C#. Passing var arguments is more clumsy in C# and annoying after VB. On the other hand, the syntax for generics fits more nicely with C#. Ya Pays Ya Money.. So essentially - if you want to show off use C#. If you want to produce code that people can follow, use VB.net. That's really the choice. At the library level they all work together. So you can always mix and match if you have a modular design. I've always done that with native Windows development - VB wrappers (for the look and feel) around Delphi components (to do the work) and occasional C++ libraries, drawing on the best skills of the developers I had at the time. People can get too hung up on the languages. What matters - always - is the design: you can produce crap in any language! I would learn both VB and C# anyway and widen your options - the real 'work' in learning .Net is about understanding the framework and design principles, and how Windows/GUI/Event oriented applications work anyway. After that, the syntax comes second. Brian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen Sent: 14 April 2007 10:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net I use VB.NET with uniobjects.net- in the end both c# and vb.net create msil and there is in reality very little difference. There is a lot of snobbery out there about c# and vb.net that I would not advise anyone to get involved in ... Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cipollina Sent: 13 April 2007 13:40 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, We are in the process of converting some Unibasic/SB+ applications to VB apps using mv.Net. We are several months into the project and have learned quite a bit. We have spent a lot of time on design and have created documentation on what should and should not be done. I was wondering if there are any other users that would like to share their experiences and learn from each other? We are also implementing Report Services using mv.Net and these reports are quite impressive. We are a Unidata / SB+ / Unix shop currently using wIntergrate. Thank You, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing
RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:25 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, We are in the process of converting some Unibasic/SB+ applications to VB apps using mv.Net. We are several months into the project and have learned quite a bit. We have spent a lot of time on design and have created documentation on what should and should not be done. I was wondering if there are any other users that would like to share their experiences and learn from each other? We are also implementing Report Services using mv.Net and these reports are quite impressive. We are a Unidata / SB+ / Unix shop currently using wIntergrate. Thank You, George [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
We are using C#, and that is because we are a C# shop. At the moment we are not using mv.Net, although we have evaluated the product. It is a nice product. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello Nick, I think the main reason we are using VB ( vb.NET ) with mv.Net is that we have some people with a lot of VB experience but little to none C# experience. Which language are you using or planning to use? And are you using mv.NET? Thanks, George Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:40:02 -0400 From: Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Has there been an evaluation of Cache on this list? Will Nick Cipollina wrote: We are using C#, and that is because we are a C# shop. At the moment we are not using mv.Net, although we have evaluated the product. It is a nice product. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello Nick, I think the main reason we are using VB ( vb.NET ) with mv.Net is that we have some people with a lot of VB experience but little to none C# experience. Which language are you using or planning to use? And are you using mv.NET? Thanks, George Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:40:02 -0400 From: Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Nick: We use both. This is because we have two different modules that were developed by two different groups of developers; one a .NET group and another an MV group (me) (guess who picked VB). :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Cipollina Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 5:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
We are evaluating Cache. I really like it. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of will Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] U2 / mv.net Has there been an evaluation of Cache on this list? Will Nick Cipollina wrote: We are using C#, and that is because we are a C# shop. At the moment we are not using mv.Net, although we have evaluated the product. It is a nice product. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello Nick, I think the main reason we are using VB ( vb.NET ) with mv.Net is that we have some people with a lot of VB experience but little to none C# experience. Which language are you using or planning to use? And are you using mv.NET? Thanks, George Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:40:02 -0400 From: Nick Cipollina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
