RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Tony mused: Colin wrote: This meant that we went with the free Uni-OLEDB interface. Which worked fine for us. I guess free was a poor word. Already included may be better. It used to be an extra cost option but it was later included in the base price. That's a very good point that I never thought of, though here we are after a year in production and it's still at 1.x - I sort of doubt this will be an issue if a developer discusses this with RD up-front. A clause for this applies to most software that's sold. Good to hear. When I was looking at this it was not long after everyone in CDP was complaining about the new 50% upgrade price RD put in. We just didn't want to have to worry about building the uncertainty of upgrade pricing into our sales model. IBM's SMA includes all upgrades. We would either have to build the upgrade price into our fees or pass it onto our clients at the time of the upgrade. It's tough to tell clients that the yearly maintenance only covers (primarily) fixes to the code they've already bought and if they want the new version they have to pay more. Especially when our pricing has always included new versions. It's very difficult for anyone to compete with free (as in beer). The free software juggernaut should compel vendors to ensure that their commercial software is especially worthy of the fee being asked. I've seen lots of free software that wasn't worth the fee being asked. The biggest problem with free is that there is very little to no control. Sure, if you have the source you could make your own changes (if you can) but then you have to make sure you re-incorporate them into every new version you use. If there are multiple version of the software (see Linux) then things can really get complicated. But on one hand we have commercial vendors who don't quite get that concept yet, or they don't do the marketing to support their product, relying on just saying it's good to make sales. And on the other hand we have many developers who don't care or don't know about features and only pay attention to the price tag. I often wonder just how much these factors hold our market back compared to more mainstream offerings. I think most pick developers are used to being able to do everything in basic and since everything could be done in basic then they should be able to do everything for themselves. We're not used to buying components. Besides I think there are a number of reasons holding back many pick developers. Well, that's way too much for a Tuesday morning after a long weekend -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Snip Redback costs $4,000, which includes a $1,000 Redback server and two webshares (connection licenses) at $1,500 each. In a non-persistent mode the two webshares can probably handle 25 users = 5 U2 licenses + 2 Webshares). I believe each webshare takes a single U2 license. Each U2 server needs to purchase the RBO server and webshares. I could be wrong about how many webshares are needed. All reports I've heard say webshares work very efficiently. In addition, there is an enterprise pricing model available for high-load sites. /Snip True as long as you have version 4.1.3.2 of Redback This version fixed the bug that redback didn't consume a UV license :( Good while it lasted. --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Tony; I probably asked many of the same questions. I did understand that if the coding was done for non-persistent apps then the number of licenses (both for pdp.net and the database) would be less. I guess I should have qualified it more. We were looking at a new non-persistent app that was piggy-backing on our current database connections so we had no extra savings there. The connection - at this stage - was light and inquiry only. We had only 2 D3 clients left - of which one converted to UD last week and I learned Friday that the last one wants to convert Friday. This meant that we went with the free Uni-OLEDB interface. Which worked fine for us. I think what worried me most was that the SMA only covered minor product upgrades and since it was fairly new I was worried that there might be a couple major upgrades coming up. We never did get it in house so I can't comment on its technical merits. However, based on its pricing I just can't see justifying it for U2 only access. Thanks for making me make sure this was clear, -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles -Original Message- From: Tony Gravagno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 5:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Colin Alfke wrote: We did (somewhat) investigate the pdp.net route but cost considerations precluded it for us. Hi Colin - I initially thought that the cost for PDP.NET was prohibitive as well but then I started asking questions and I was amazed that the cost is MUCH less than what people think. I had to send an extra e-mail saying are you sure!? and to get it in writing. RD Marketing has done a good job of developing and promoting the software, but I think they missed the boat when explaining the pricing model. The pricing is actually pretty good whether using persistent connections, or especially for non-persistent apps which are permitted per recent RD marketing. A non-persistent app can be written with a thicker middle-tier, thicker client, and/or in combination with web services. The final cost is really dependent on how you code. One-for-one coding as we do with green screens will probably make cost an issue, but then the question becomes whether end-users will pay more for apps that are developed using brand-names like IBM and Microsoft .NET. I think other recent threads here have proven that people are paying outlandish prices for brand-name GUI apps, so is added cost at this tier really prohibitive? HTH, Tony Nebula RD Technical Editor, C#Builder Kick Start, SAMS Publishing Author, Web Services and .NET, Spectrum Magazine articles Nebula RD provides Microsoft Certified C# development services and training --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET (OLE DB)
Trev, What does your configuration for the connection show in the UCI Config Editor? Bryan Haglund Haglund Consulting Inc. - Original Message - From: Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Has anyone ever had the problem i am having? Surly im not the only one? Seems there are a few people out there with UniOLEDB problems with connections. Thanks Trev From: Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:06:57 +1000 Hey I am still having thse problems. I have tried to tick/untick and use no username and password as well as just use the username. still nothing gives me the same error. and when i click the test connection button, it wont work either. but the test works fine when i use the username and password. any ideas? Thanks Trev From: Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:20 +1000 Thanks heaps for that mate, I will give it a go when i am at work tomorrow. Thanks Trev From: Brian Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:27:23 +0100 Trevor the OleDB connection property pages include two options: one for allowing a blank password and one for saving the password. Neither of these work. You need to connect using a user name that is passworded, and supply the password manually when you open your connection. Regards, Brian On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:58:47 +1000 Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I am having come probs with connecting to UniVerse 10 DB with VB .NET (VS .NET) I I can setup the UCI.SONFIG file fine and the Test Connection works fine. But once i click on Ok to add it i get an error: Unable to connect to database. Died in UCI::SQLConnect() with SQLSTATE IM980, Native error:0 [IBM][SQL Client]Remote password is required. When i click ok it comes up again. Then i click ok again it goes away. Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks Trev _ Personalise your mobile chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering Microgen. This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ Personalise your mobile chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ FOXTEL Digital - Your ticket to cinema at home: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7718915;9123289;x?http://www.foxtel.com.au/Campaign/channelchoice.html --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Trevor: I was under the impression the UniOleDB product was not .NET compatible. I have been under the impression that the only thing one could do to make U2 .NET compatible was use either ODBC, fiddle with UniObjects for Java, use Redback, or use the Pick .NET Data Provider. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Trevor McNamara Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 9:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Has anyone ever had the problem i am having? Surly im not the only one? Seems there are a few people out there with UniOLEDB problems with connections. Thanks Trev From: Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:06:57 +1000 Hey I am still having thse problems. I have tried to tick/untick and use no username and password as well as just use the username. still nothing gives me the same error. and when i click the test connection button, it wont work either. but the test works fine when i use the username and password. any ideas? Thanks Trev From: Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:20 +1000 Thanks heaps for that mate, I will give it a go when i am at work tomorrow. Thanks Trev From: Brian Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:27:23 +0100 Trevor the OleDB connection property pages include two options: one for allowing a blank password and one for saving the password. Neither of these work. You need to connect using a user name that is passworded, and supply the password manually when you open your connection. Regards, Brian On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:58:47 +1000 Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I am having come probs with connecting to UniVerse 10 DB with VB .NET (VS .NET) I I can setup the UCI.SONFIG file fine and the Test Connection works fine. But once i click on Ok to add it i get an error: Unable to connect to database. Died in UCI::SQLConnect() with SQLSTATE IM980, Native error:0 [IBM][SQL Client]Remote password is required. When i click ok it comes up again. Then i click ok again it goes away. Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks Trev _ Personalise your mobile chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering Microgen. ___ _ This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ Personalise your mobile chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ FOXTEL Digital - Your ticket to cinema at home: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7718915;9123289;x?http://www.foxt el.com.au/Campaign/channelchoice.html --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Not true. See www.ibm.com/software/u2 there is a link to a White paper: Using IBM U2 and Microsoft .NET. or for those too lazy to look through the page: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/whitepapers/ibmu2-microsoft net.pdf hth -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles -Original Message- From: Bill H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Trevor: I was under the impression the UniOleDB product was not .NET compatible. I have been under the impression that the only thing one could do to make U2 .NET compatible was use either ODBC, fiddle with UniObjects for Java, use Redback, or use the Pick .NET Data Provider. Bill --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
We can confirm Colin's statement. We are currently developing a new web application using ASP.NET and C#. We are accessing UniOLEDB (with UniData 6.0.12) through the COM interop capabilities of .NET from C#. We had some minor problems with the connection, but our developers eventually got something working. I'll see if they can provide some input. Right now they are chained to their workstations, trying to make up a missed deadline. grin The only other problem we had were some random E_FAIL and SQL Rowcount errors. IBM supplied a patch that dealt with some threading issues, which fixed the problem. The only bridge we have not crossed yet is having multiple window services running our C# code, each having an OLEDB connection open. The window services will get their transactions through a set of MSMQ queues. Glenn Batson JIA, Inc. (www.jenkon.com) Vancouver, Washington -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Not true. See www.ibm.com/software/u2 there is a link to a White paper: Using IBM U2 and Microsoft .NET. or for those too lazy to look through the page: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/whitepapers/ibmu2-microsoft net.pdf hth -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Colin: Thanks for the info...sorry for providing the list with misinformation. :-( I noticed that UniObjects for .NET is under development and is due for release sometime in mid 2004. Also, the calls to U2 from .NET use SQL not the U2 query language or a READ-type extraction. There's been a lot of traffic here about the difficulties of setting up UniObjects and UniOleDB for use by .NET. I didn't really think it couldn't be done, just not by a challenged individual such as myself. :-) I've seen IBM presentations about their intent to link U2 to .NET and those products are expected to be available in mid to late 2004 (the current set of products were not sufficient). I don't believe that for an MV developer, building an SQL layer to access and update MV data is the optimal MV solution. The PDP.NET product seems to be in the right direction and I assume IBMs forthcoming .NET solution(s) for U2 will be similar. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:11 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Not true. See www.ibm.com/software/u2 there is a link to a White paper: Using IBM U2 and Microsoft .NET. or for those too lazy to look through the page: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/whitepapers/ibmu2-microsoft net.pdf hth -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada -Original Message- From: Bill H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Trevor: I was under the impression the UniOleDB product was not .NET compatible. I have been under the impression that the only thing one could do to make U2 .NET compatible was use either ODBC, fiddle with UniObjects for Java, use Redback, or use the Pick .NET Data Provider. Bill --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Colin Alfke wrote: We did (somewhat) investigate the pdp.net route but cost considerations precluded it for us. Hi Colin - I initially thought that the cost for PDP.NET was prohibitive as well but then I started asking questions and I was amazed that the cost is MUCH less than what people think. I had to send an extra e-mail saying are you sure!? and to get it in writing. RD Marketing has done a good job of developing and promoting the software, but I think they missed the boat when explaining the pricing model. The pricing is actually pretty good whether using persistent connections, or especially for non-persistent apps which are permitted per recent RD marketing. A non-persistent app can be written with a thicker middle-tier, thicker client, and/or in combination with web services. The final cost is really dependent on how you code. One-for-one coding as we do with green screens will probably make cost an issue, but then the question becomes whether end-users will pay more for apps that are developed using brand-names like IBM and Microsoft .NET. I think other recent threads here have proven that people are paying outlandish prices for brand-name GUI apps, so is added cost at this tier really prohibitive? HTH, Tony Nebula RD Technical Editor, C#Builder Kick Start, SAMS Publishing Author, Web Services and .NET, Spectrum Magazine articles Nebula RD provides Microsoft Certified C# development services and training --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Yeah i have read that. I have now got it working, it no longer gives me errors. Also, this is a newb question now :) Am i not supposed to see the tables veiw? I would assume not as it is a bit different to other databases. Coz if you connect to say an SQL server you can see all the tables and veiws. but not with UniVerse? Is that right? Thanks From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 10:11:13 -0600 Not true. See www.ibm.com/software/u2 there is a link to a White paper: Using IBM U2 and Microsoft .NET. or for those too lazy to look through the page: ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/software/data/u2/pubs/whitepapers/ibmu2-microsoft net.pdf hth -- Colin Alfke Calgary, Alberta Canada Just because something isn't broken doesn't mean that you can't fix it Stu Pickles -Original Message- From: Bill H. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 9:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Trevor: I was under the impression the UniOleDB product was not .NET compatible. I have been under the impression that the only thing one could do to make U2 .NET compatible was use either ODBC, fiddle with UniObjects for Java, use Redback, or use the Pick .NET Data Provider. Bill --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ Get Extra Storage in 10MB, 25MB, 50MB and 100MB options now! Go to http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-aupage=hotmail/es2 --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Trevor the OleDB connection property pages include two options: one for allowing a blank password and one for saving the password. Neither of these work. You need to connect using a user name that is passworded, and supply the password manually when you open your connection. Regards, Brian On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:58:47 +1000 Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I am having come probs with connecting to UniVerse 10 DB with VB .NET (VS .NET) I I can setup the UCI.SONFIG file fine and the Test Connection works fine. But once i click on Ok to add it i get an error: Unable to connect to database. Died in UCI::SQLConnect() with SQLSTATE IM980, Native error:0 [IBM][SQL Client]Remote password is required. When i click ok it comes up again. Then i click ok again it goes away. Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks Trev _ Personalise your mobile chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering Microgen. This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET
Has anyone ever had the problem i am having? Surly im not the only one? Seems there are a few people out there with UniOLEDB problems with connections. Thanks Trev From: Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 08:06:57 +1000 Hey I am still having thse problems. I have tried to tick/untick and use no username and password as well as just use the username. still nothing gives me the same error. and when i click the test connection button, it wont work either. but the test works fine when i use the username and password. any ideas? Thanks Trev From: Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 19:42:20 +1000 Thanks heaps for that mate, I will give it a go when i am at work tomorrow. Thanks Trev From: Brian Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] UniVerse in VB .NET Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 09:27:23 +0100 Trevor the OleDB connection property pages include two options: one for allowing a blank password and one for saving the password. Neither of these work. You need to connect using a user name that is passworded, and supply the password manually when you open your connection. Regards, Brian On Thu, 20 May 2004 15:58:47 +1000 Trevor McNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I am having come probs with connecting to UniVerse 10 DB with VB .NET (VS .NET) I I can setup the UCI.SONFIG file fine and the Test Connection works fine. But once i click on Ok to add it i get an error: Unable to connect to database. Died in UCI::SQLConnect() with SQLSTATE IM980, Native error:0 [IBM][SQL Client]Remote password is required. When i click ok it comes up again. Then i click ok again it goes away. Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks Trev _ Personalise your mobile chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users This email was checked by MessageLabs SkyScan before entering Microgen. This email was checked on leaving Microgen for viruses, similar malicious code and inappropriate content by MessageLabs SkyScan. DISCLAIMER This email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information. In the event of any technical difficulty with this email, please contact the sender or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Microgen Information Management Solutions http://www.microgen.co.uk --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ Personalise your mobile chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ringtones.com.au/ninemsn/control?page=/ninemsn/main.jsp --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users _ FOXTEL Digital - Your ticket to cinema at home: http://ad.au.doubleclick.net/clk;7718915;9123289;x?http://www.foxtel.com.au/Campaign/channelchoice.html --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
