Re: [U2] Who is Ed Clark?
Agreed. Cheers! --dawn On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 1:21 PM, George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.netwrote: I don't think anyone has a problem with Ed or anyone else contributing, it's just a case of being open about who he is. Knowing that he is an Intersystems employee means that we can understand that he is knowledgable about Cache but also, potentially, a little biased. Just as knowing that I am Chairman of the U2 distributor for the UK tells you that I may be reasonably well informed about U2 and Rocket and potentially a little biased as well. It all helps to let you read comments in context if you know the basics about the person making them. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor U2UG Board Member On 13/04/2011 19:02, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com wrote: I'm late to the party on this thread, but I'll put in my two cents that Ed is one of those go-to technical guys who knows a ton about MV. He has helped me out many times. He doesn't seem like a marketing type to me at all (less than I am, for example ;-) [and I clearly am not as marketing folks know better than to use smilies] As he said, he is an InterSystems employee, but I don't think that Ed is a spy either. Similarly, I am an InterSystems customer and I am on this list to pick up tidbits and be part of the MV community in this way, not to harm the U2 community in any way. It would be good if there were an MV email list that spanned database providers, but in the absence of that, hopefully Ed will feel comfortable piping up here (looks like he has again). I stay quiet for weeks on end, but every once in a while figure it is OK for me to speak up. cheers! --dawn On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.netwrote: This is a classic example of the issue that came up a few days ago about people being open about who they are. Ed Clark posts from u...@edclark.net, there is also an Ed Clark who posts about Cache in other places from an aol address, but then there is also an Ed Clark who has an Intersystems.com address. So come on Ed, who are you? Are you an Intersystems employee? If so why are you not open about it and say so? I make it quite clear that I sell U2, I make my bias obvious so people can judge my comments accordingly. If you are an Intersystems employee or otherwise connected to Intersystems then say so and let people judge your comments in that context. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Who is Ed Clark?
I'm late to the party on this thread, but I'll put in my two cents that Ed is one of those go-to technical guys who knows a ton about MV. He has helped me out many times. He doesn't seem like a marketing type to me at all (less than I am, for example ;-) [and I clearly am not as marketing folks know better than to use smilies] As he said, he is an InterSystems employee, but I don't think that Ed is a spy either. Similarly, I am an InterSystems customer and I am on this list to pick up tidbits and be part of the MV community in this way, not to harm the U2 community in any way. It would be good if there were an MV email list that spanned database providers, but in the absence of that, hopefully Ed will feel comfortable piping up here (looks like he has again). I stay quiet for weeks on end, but every once in a while figure it is OK for me to speak up. cheers! --dawn On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.netwrote: This is a classic example of the issue that came up a few days ago about people being open about who they are. Ed Clark posts from u...@edclark.net, there is also an Ed Clark who posts about Cache in other places from an aol address, but then there is also an Ed Clark who has an Intersystems.com address. So come on Ed, who are you? Are you an Intersystems employee? If so why are you not open about it and say so? I make it quite clear that I sell U2, I make my bias obvious so people can judge my comments accordingly. If you are an Intersystems employee or otherwise connected to Intersystems then say so and let people judge your comments in that context. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Take and give some delight today ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Who is Ed Clark?
I don't think anyone has a problem with Ed or anyone else contributing, it's just a case of being open about who he is. Knowing that he is an Intersystems employee means that we can understand that he is knowledgable about Cache but also, potentially, a little biased. Just as knowing that I am Chairman of the U2 distributor for the UK tells you that I may be reasonably well informed about U2 and Rocket and potentially a little biased as well. It all helps to let you read comments in context if you know the basics about the person making them. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor U2UG Board Member On 13/04/2011 19:02, Dawn Wolthuis dw...@tincat-group.com wrote: I'm late to the party on this thread, but I'll put in my two cents that Ed is one of those go-to technical guys who knows a ton about MV. He has helped me out many times. He doesn't seem like a marketing type to me at all (less than I am, for example ;-) [and I clearly am not as marketing folks know better than to use smilies] As he said, he is an InterSystems employee, but I don't think that Ed is a spy either. Similarly, I am an InterSystems customer and I am on this list to pick up tidbits and be part of the MV community in this way, not to harm the U2 community in any way. It would be good if there were an MV email list that spanned database providers, but in the absence of that, hopefully Ed will feel comfortable piping up here (looks like he has again). I stay quiet for weeks on end, but every once in a while figure it is OK for me to speak up. cheers! --dawn On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 12:45 PM, George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.netwrote: This is a classic example of the issue that came up a few days ago about people being open about who they are. Ed Clark posts from u...@edclark.net, there is also an Ed Clark who posts about Cache in other places from an aol address, but then there is also an Ed Clark who has an Intersystems.com address. So come on Ed, who are you? Are you an Intersystems employee? If so why are you not open about it and say so? I make it quite clear that I sell U2, I make my bias obvious so people can judge my comments accordingly. If you are an Intersystems employee or otherwise connected to Intersystems then say so and let people judge your comments in that context. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Who is Ed Clark?
Oh, that's easy. Ed Clark was the 1980 U.S. Libertarian Party Presidential nominee. He got just under 1 million votes in the general. Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 18:45:22 +0100 From: george.l...@aptsolutions.net To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Who is Ed Clark? This is a classic example of the issue that came up a few days ago about people being open about who they are. Ed Clark posts from u...@edclark.net, there is also an Ed Clark who posts about Cache in other places from an aol address, but then there is also an Ed Clark who has an Intersystems.com address. So come on Ed, who are you? Are you an Intersystems employee? If so why are you not open about it and say so? I make it quite clear that I sell U2, I make my bias obvious so people can judge my comments accordingly. If you are an Intersystems employee or otherwise connected to Intersystems then say so and let people judge your comments in that context. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Who is Ed Clark?
Sorry, I thought it was well known that I'm an intersystems employee. I know I've mentioned it before on this list. I did add an [ad] to one of my recent responses that I thought crossed somewhat into advertising. Hopefully my other responses don't sound too much like sales. I'm trying to be informative from personal experience. On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:45 PM, George Land wrote: This is a classic example of the issue that came up a few days ago about people being open about who they are. Ed Clark posts from u...@edclark.net, there is also an Ed Clark who posts about Cache in other places from an aol address, but then there is also an Ed Clark who has an Intersystems.com address. So come on Ed, who are you? Are you an Intersystems employee? If so why are you not open about it and say so? I make it quite clear that I sell U2, I make my bias obvious so people can judge my comments accordingly. If you are an Intersystems employee or otherwise connected to Intersystems then say so and let people judge your comments in that context. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Who is Ed Clark?
Well it certainly passed me by until this flurry of comment on Cache, and saying things like 'NHS Scotland is going to be running their Patient Management System' is a little disingenuous, 'our' would be more appropriate if you work for them. This is a U2 list, I'm not trying to suppress comment but I think it is very important that people state their influences when they post. The only Rocket staff who post here are the likes of Wally and JJ when they can help with technical matters, which is great, their contribution is very valuable but the fact that Rocket don't use this list to try and influence is also something I have a lot of respect for. But if the list is to stay credible and open then we should all at least state if we have an influence. to post on a U2 list and omit to say that you work for a competitor is not, IMHO, acceptable behaviour. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor U2UG Board Member On 11/04/2011 18:56, Ed Clark u...@edclark.net wrote: Sorry, I thought it was well known that I'm an intersystems employee. I know I've mentioned it before on this list. I did add an [ad] to one of my recent responses that I thought crossed somewhat into advertising. Hopefully my other responses don't sound too much like sales. I'm trying to be informative from personal experience. On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:45 PM, George Land wrote: This is a classic example of the issue that came up a few days ago about people being open about who they are. Ed Clark posts from u...@edclark.net, there is also an Ed Clark who posts about Cache in other places from an aol address, but then there is also an Ed Clark who has an Intersystems.com address. So come on Ed, who are you? Are you an Intersystems employee? If so why are you not open about it and say so? I make it quite clear that I sell U2, I make my bias obvious so people can judge my comments accordingly. If you are an Intersystems employee or otherwise connected to Intersystems then say so and let people judge your comments in that context. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Who is Ed Clark?
I think he meant their as in Scotland's not InterSystems'. At least that's how I read it. The product was TrakCare I believe. Robert Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. George Land george.l...@aptsolutions.net 4/11/2011 1:41 PM Well it certainly passed me by until this flurry of comment on Cache, and saying things like 'NHS Scotland is going to be running their Patient Management System' is a little disingenuous, 'our' would be more appropriate if you work for them. This is a U2 list, I'm not trying to suppress comment but I think it is very important that people state their influences when they post. The only Rocket staff who post here are the likes of Wally and JJ when they can help with technical matters, which is great, their contribution is very valuable but the fact that Rocket don't use this list to try and influence is also something I have a lot of respect for. But if the list is to stay credible and open then we should all at least state if we have an influence. to post on a U2 list and omit to say that you work for a competitor is not, IMHO, acceptable behaviour. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor U2UG Board Member On 11/04/2011 18:56, Ed Clark u...@edclark.net wrote: Sorry, I thought it was well known that I'm an intersystems employee. I know I've mentioned it before on this list. I did add an [ad] to one of my recent responses that I thought crossed somewhat into advertising. Hopefully my other responses don't sound too much like sales. I'm trying to be informative from personal experience. On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:45 PM, George Land wrote: This is a classic example of the issue that came up a few days ago about people being open about who they are. Ed Clark posts from u...@edclark.net, there is also an Ed Clark who posts about Cache in other places from an aol address, but then there is also an Ed Clark who has an Intersystems.com address. So come on Ed, who are you? Are you an Intersystems employee? If so why are you not open about it and say so? I make it quite clear that I sell U2, I make my bias obvious so people can judge my comments accordingly. If you are an Intersystems employee or otherwise connected to Intersystems then say so and let people judge your comments in that context. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Who is Ed Clark?
The comment about NHS Scotland is the message that I put [AD] into the subject of :) On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:41 PM, George Land wrote: Well it certainly passed me by until this flurry of comment on Cache, and saying things like 'NHS Scotland is going to be running their Patient Management System' is a little disingenuous, 'our' would be more appropriate if you work for them. This is a U2 list, I'm not trying to suppress comment but I think it is very important that people state their influences when they post. The only Rocket staff who post here are the likes of Wally and JJ when they can help with technical matters, which is great, their contribution is very valuable but the fact that Rocket don't use this list to try and influence is also something I have a lot of respect for. But if the list is to stay credible and open then we should all at least state if we have an influence. to post on a U2 list and omit to say that you work for a competitor is not, IMHO, acceptable behaviour. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor U2UG Board Member On 11/04/2011 18:56, Ed Clark u...@edclark.net wrote: Sorry, I thought it was well known that I'm an intersystems employee. I know I've mentioned it before on this list. I did add an [ad] to one of my recent responses that I thought crossed somewhat into advertising. Hopefully my other responses don't sound too much like sales. I'm trying to be informative from personal experience. On Apr 11, 2011, at 1:45 PM, George Land wrote: This is a classic example of the issue that came up a few days ago about people being open about who they are. Ed Clark posts from u...@edclark.net, there is also an Ed Clark who posts about Cache in other places from an aol address, but then there is also an Ed Clark who has an Intersystems.com address. So come on Ed, who are you? Are you an Intersystems employee? If so why are you not open about it and say so? I make it quite clear that I sell U2, I make my bias obvious so people can judge my comments accordingly. If you are an Intersystems employee or otherwise connected to Intersystems then say so and let people judge your comments in that context. George Land APT Solutions Ltd U2 UK Distributor ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
