Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Well, you have the java choice ;-) Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James. Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-) Christophe Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: And will this next version of .NET run fine on Linux and Mac OS? I don't keep current enough with MS and I know they keep suggesting they will run on Linux and MacOS, but I'm not familiar with any projects that will actually accomplish that. While their .NET efforts do look like they have a lot of things going right for them, I still don't like locking into Microsoft for everything. If I knew I could deploy the results of .NET development efforts on other platforms, I'd be much more interested. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Canale, Jr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:31 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: GUI as nice as character-based So, shockwave is fine, Java Web Start is fine and anything else that could be installed by users going to this web page and clicking here and that is maintained something like Adobe pdf readers would be fine. In case you haven't seen the next version of .NET yet, Visual Studio 2005 has a Click Once feature that is exactly this. The zero touch deployment or xcopy stuff that started with the first release of .NET was like the first version of Windows, the start of an idea that wasn't really too far along. The next version improves quite a bit on this beginning. Actually, you have options to start from a web 'click', install a link to the desktop/start menu, etc.. It automatically checks/downloads a newer version (or runs locally if no connection to the server). I'm sure there are still going to be some issues (dealing with unmanaged code comes to mind) but, it should work very well with UniObjects.NET (when it gets here). Regards, Jim -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI as nice as character-based
Yes, I agree. But .NET is also an open specification, the .NET file format and the jvm are ecma standardized. And there is already an open .net vm : mono. So using .net does not locked more into microsoft than using sun lock you into sun. And the .NET jvm is free of charge, so no more dollars to microsoft. And it is installed with every windows update, so every windows user has already a good environment for .NET. More easy for us than installing java vm. And the last events show us that sun does not want to open Java. So if sun dies, nobody can continue developping java. It was only a kind of joke (why I used a smiley ;-), I don't want to start a war about sun/java versus Microsoft/.NET especially with the last agreement between sun and ms ;-) Just use your prefered tool, I'll be ever productive than with a world-standard that you hate. Christophe Dawn M. Wolthuis wrote: Java Web Start works reasonably well, and I have used it. But I sure don't see how you are locked in to Sun by using it. The Java libraries will be perpetuated with or without Sun. For example, IBM develops with Java, and I'm certain they don't think they are locked into Sun. Locked into Microsoft implies dollars (forever) while locked into Java doesn't feel like as much of a prison at all. Agree? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christophe Marchal Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:03 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: GUI as nice as character-based Well, you have the java choice ;-) Java and javawebstart do the same thing as explain by James. Check http://java.sun.com/products/javawebstart/architecture.html But you'll still locked into Sun (instead of microsoft) ;-) Christophe -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI or Event ? as nice as character-based
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2004 11:59:57 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the requirement to have no client-side setup (other than pointing a user to a web page in a std web browser) eliminate accuterm or not? If not, then does this permit drop-down boxes, combo boxes, calendars for date entry and the usual icons one might expect for various features? I'm talking about the U2 database, but the tools on the mv side need not be more than UOJ, for example (with support for update of stored fields and preferably also virtual fields as read-only). yes Dawn, Accuterm does support a web browser interface I've not worked closely with that implementation, I usually use the telnet terminal emulator thingie. But I did dink around with it slightly just to make sure it works. I would expect since its running in a browser that you could do any java thingies you do with any other page if you want Or any HTML or whatever. Will Well, in the demo page (http://www.asent.com/atguidemo5.htm ) it seems to use Activex in the web browser. Not just HTML. And it does not work on my Mozilla. So I don't think that it could be used on other OS than Windows/IE... -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
