[ADMIN] The lists now have their new home
Dear Friends, The lists now are up and running at their new home under the auspices of the new U2 Users Group. Since all addresses were passed along to Larry, all of you should have already received the welcome message and new list server instructions, so I will not repeat them here. I am setting the full moderation bit on for the old lists so that if you post to the old addresses, you will get an auto response reminding you of the new list addresses. I want to thank everyone for making my time as the host of the lists so enjoyable and educational. As mentioned in my reminder postings, I intend to continue participating in the lists with something other than CyberSpankings grin. And I will be using the rest of the new-found time working on the new newsletter ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and book. I will see you all over at the new home. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [UV] Problem reactivating select list
You might try this. I am not on a system right now, so I can't test this until later. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ saveList = loop while readnext recordId saveList-1 = recordId repeat open SAVEDLISTS to slFile else abortm Cannot open SAVEDLISTS tempId = (temp : @userno) write saveList on slFile, tempId close slFile execute (GET.LIST : tempId) execute (ED : yourFileName) On Apr 26, 2004, at 18:11, John Hester wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John what is wrong with this approach loop readnext id else done = true until done do list-1 = id repeat select list to mylist loop readnext id else done = true until done do execute ed :file: :id repeat then before, after, between the two loops you can do whatever you wanted to do Will That's close to what I did originally. The problem is that ED needs to think that it is reading from a select list for the X command to work. If I process the select list outside of ED, ED thinks it is working against a single item and the only way you can exit the middle of a list is with crtlC. -John -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[ADMIN] [AD] Passing the Baton (Repeat)
Dear Friends, As previously announced, after about nine years of hosting what has become the u2-users list, I have decided to pass the baton to a new host. I plan to use the time to pursue some other writing projects. One of these is to resume writing my column previously published in Infocus Magazine as Clif Notes. I will be choosing a different title and will be including it as part of a professional Information Management newsletter. If you would be interested in receiving this newsletter at no charge, just pop an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will add you to the list. The U2 User Group (u2ug.org) has offered to assume the duties of host and moderator(s). They are in the process of testing their list server and setup now. We expect to be able to move the u2-user and u2-community lists to the new home May 1st. I will provide them a copy of the subscriber addresses as of April 30th. If for some reason you do not want to follow the lists to their new homes, you can unsubscribe before that time. Since we are getting new subscribers on an almost daily basis, I will be posting this message each day until the move. I apologize for the inbox clutter this causes you. I'll chat with you again before the move. -- Regards, Clif ~~~ W. Clifton Oliver, CCP CLIFTON OLIVER ASSOCIATES Tel: +1 619 460 5678Web: www.oliver.com ~~~ -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
Oh. The Microsoft model... :-) On Apr 21, 2004, at 6:29, George Gallen wrote: from it/for it, but if you think your getting a great buy for your money, your willing to accept almost any flaw. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [OT] MSDN
Stop teasing us, Tony. grin What's the source where we can get MSDN subscriptions for $1,300? -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 12:36, Tony Gravagno wrote: Replied to e-mail request before I saw this. Yes, everything comes direct from Microsoft, DVDs, newsletters, support, etc. MS never questioned the source and I get the same services as anyone who buys direct. I have never received anything from the original vendor. Where did you find the legal MSDN for $1300? My renewal is now up for $2300 and with the DVD rebate, it is still $2000. Do the shipments still come directly from Microsoft? Thanks. Regards, Jim For Visual Studio .NET I acquired a legal copy of an MSDN Universal subscription for US1300, the included freebies brought that down to a net of less than $1000. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [OT] MSDN
Comments embedded in the message below. On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:10, Tony Gravagno wrote: Get it here: http://store.viosoftware.biz/msunsu701yes.html Thanks, Tony. We appreciate you letting us in on the secret grin. And thanks to JD for the other source. Tell them to implement a commission program and then send me a credit on my next purchase! :) I think we can talk the U2UG board into giving you a year's complimentary subscription to the list. (That's a *joke*, people. Stop panicking!) production use, my development system IS my production system which I destroy on a regular basis as I install and test code. As do I, but frequently not on purpose. :-) Clif we ought to vote Chuck 'most copied' Oliver -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: We need a web based Forum!
What? Using something given for free without insisting it be tailored to your individual desires? Careful, Kate. The Programmers Guild will take away your membership card if word leaks out. grin -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:36, Kate Stanton wrote: Thanks. Sounds to me as though it should be the choice of whoever is shouldering the responsibility of looking after it. If they are prepared to do the work, then I applaud them and am privileged to be able to use it, in whatever way they choose. Cheers, Kate -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: GUI from Mv code Re: Crystal Reports
Yeah. Then I'd be accused of shooting the baby with a wet silver bullet. Seriously folks, this is a good discussion, but it getting a bit off topic at times. I would suggest doing what Ross did a few posts ago. Rather than go into a long discussion about is a star schema a cube or a representation of an n-dimensional super-duper-hyper-pterodactyl cube, post some links to areas where those interested in the not-necessarily-U2 topic can find further info. And to ALL the vendors, please remember that if you mention your product in the post, you really ought to put [AD] in the subject line. Now, would anyone care to post any experiences on performance of implementing a star schema in a set of normalized U2 files and doing drill down and roll up strictly with LIST, SORT, and its options? Post numbers, not guesses. -- Regards, Clif On Apr 18, 2004, at 21:52, Ross Ferris wrote: You are right - there are no silver bullets, you don't throw the baby out with the bath water [I will not go into the sordid history of this one], and some degree of effort is required to embrace anything that is new [and I'll exit the thread there before I get spanked by Clif :-] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: *** END OF THREAD *** Oh, dear, Mr Oliver - havent you learnt yet... Put it in the subject line, dear boy! RE: The future of U2
laughing Apparently not. Sorry! -- Regards, Clif On Apr 15, 2004, at 2:42, Dennis Bartlett wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clif Oliver Sent: 15 April 2004 03:10 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The future of U2 *** END OF THREAD *** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER (That means *anyone* not just the poster of the message used for the Moderator reply) On Apr 14, 2004, at 13:39, Tom Firl wrote: U2 TO DB2 --- Best thing to Happen. H... I don't think I'll touch that one other than to say that only time will tell. Tom Firl Columbia Ultimate -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[ADMIN] Re: The future of U2
OK, Joe. So you subscribed under a different address to get around having your inflammatory postings moderated. That is a clear act of unwillingness to cooperate with the policies of this list. buh-bye plonk *** END OF THREAD *** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER (That means *anyone* not just the poster of the message used for the Moderator reply) On Apr 14, 2004, at 12:36, Joe Eugene wrote: U2 TO DB2 --- Best thing to Happen. Hopefully IBM will start integrating all IBM DB's into Flagship RDBMS UDB. Joe Eugene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Glenfield Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:21 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The future of U2 I believe the wording was DB2 and then others based on 'demand'. Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:06 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: The future of U2 I'd also think that rather than any database, the target would be DB2 :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage - an Evolution in Software Development http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The future of U2
*** END OF THREAD *** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER (That means *anyone* not just the poster of the message used for the Moderator reply) On Apr 14, 2004, at 13:39, Tom Firl wrote: U2 TO DB2 --- Best thing to Happen. H... I don't think I'll touch that one other than to say that only time will tell. Tom Firl Columbia Ultimate -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: The future of U2
*** END OF THREAD *** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER (That means *anyone* not just the poster of the message used for the Moderator reply) On Apr 14, 2004, at 13:45, Gordon Glorfield wrote: I don't really care what the backend DB engine is as long as I can use my favorite set of tools to develop applications. But if a change to DB2 or whatever is going to force me to severly change the way I operate, then I'd see that as a bad thing. Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Database decoupling (Was: Future of U2)
I did not mean to kill the part of the discussion that was being held under the previous Subject line that was talking about other-than-U2 datastores in a U2 environment. I seem to have caused some confusion with my end-of-thread notice under that subject line. I was only referring to responding to the troll (who has been unsubscribed). Please feel free to continue the discussion. (Sorry 'bout that folks. No collateral damage intended!) -- Regards, Clif -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Productivity metrics
In the words from Hitchhiker's Guide, Oh, no. Not again. On Apr 14, 2004, at 19:42, Mark Johnson wrote: reducing lines of code. Could this be where GOTO's have their day. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: *** END OF THREAD *** Was: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING)
Excellent idea. I will make sure it gets passed along to the new hosts. Thank you. -- Regards, Clif On Apr 8, 2004, at 1:14 AM, Dennis Bartlett wrote: A bit late in the day, but it would be better if you put END OF THREAD in the subject line as those of us who selectively read -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[ADMIN] VIRUS ALERT!!
Some of you may have received an e-mail claiming your account was being shutdown for (improper usage, spam, a proxity trojan, etc.). The mail is usually signed oliver.com Team, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], etc. THIS IS A SPOOFED MESSAGE by a virus that goes through Outlook address books, collects addresses, and generates these spoof messages. The only valid message of anyone being suspended was the Cyberspanking issued last night. I post only as [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will repost this message later today from my other machine so I can digitally sign it for verification. Interesting timing of this attack, however. Makes one wonder -- Regards, Clif -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modern Universe (TESTING)
*** END OF THREAD *** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER (That means *anyone* not just the poster of the message used for the Moderator reply) On Apr 6, 2004, at 4:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am kind of enjoying it. Glenn W. Paschal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/05/2004 10:53 PM Please respond to U2 Users Discussion List To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) Why is this thread here? And, why is it still continuing? Can we stop now? --Glenn. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Gissing Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 9:55 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Modern Universe (TESTING) If you Dont Agree, Prove it... Everybody can Talk.. Where are your Test Results? The problem with performance tests is that there are so many variables. And then if you remove a lot of the variables to perform a lab test, that does not reflect real world. So then you try and make your lab conditions simulate real world - and simply doing a COUNT on a file is not enough - sorry ! Yes, UV could count for 15 mins if say the file was really badly sized. So what does that mean ? It does not mean that UV is crap, it means it's not been tuned right. Send Michael Schumaker round the track with flat tyres - when he does not perform is that the fault of the car ? So my final point is that it takes time and effort to do proper testing - something most of us are not going to dedicate resources to just to prove a point here. Andrew Gissing -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Email report
Yep. Let's hear it for Mailman's MIME removal capability. -- Regards, Clif On Apr 6, 2004, at 6:27 AM, Gordon Glorfield wrote: The attachment that I got was only a text file. Presumably Clif's anti-virus software on the list server is replacing whatever evil attachment was originally sent with this text file before forwarding the message. Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Modern Universe (TESTING)
*** END OF THREAD *** DO NOT REPLY TO THIS THREAD ANY FURTHER (That means *anyone* not just the poster of the message used for the Moderator reply) On Apr 5, 2004, at 7:54 PM, Andrew Gissing wrote: If you Dont Agree, Prove it... Everybody can Talk.. Where are your Test Results? The problem with performance tests is that there are so many variables. And then if you remove a lot of the variables to perform a lab test, that does not reflect real world. So then you try and make your lab conditions simulate real world - and simply doing a COUNT on a file is not enough - sorry ! Yes, UV could count for 15 mins if say the file was really badly sized. So what does that mean ? It does not mean that UV is crap, it means it's not been tuned right. Send Michael Schumaker round the track with flat tyres - when he does not perform is that the fault of the car ? So my final point is that it takes time and effort to do proper testing - something most of us are not going to dedicate resources to just to prove a point here. Andrew Gissing -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
