RE: On learning to swim (u2-users U2UG)
Dawn - It seems that there is only one piece of the puzzle that is missing; the ability to not only receive e-mail from the various forums but also to reply to that e-mail by way of e-mail (as opposed to writing the reply from within a browser). If that one feature were implemented I believe quite a lot of the reluctance that has appeared in the past day or so would be obviated. While I imagine there are a number of others that would also like to have some form of digest feature (and I'm one of them), the deal killer for a lot of folks seems to be the requirement to reply to a message by way of the web. Regards, Dave Graham Storis Management Systems, Inc. (954) 725-3655 Ext. 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dawn M. Wolthuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: On learning to swim (u2-users U2UG) To the u2-users community -- I have been on the road and have not read all of the e-mail related to u2-users going away but did have an exchange with Clif after reading his message. Just so it is perfectly clear -- the U2UG did not in any way suggest or encourage u2-users ending -- quite the opposite. Clif had to move the list to another server a few months ago and he asked if there was a chance that the U2UG could take it on at that time and we all voted him in for life, or as long as he was willing and able to continue in his efforts with the list. I suspect that Clif thought he might just lighten his load if he taught us to swim by pushing us into the waters, even if we had no prior intent to learn to swim. In any case, Clif is on the U2UG Board for the emerging U2UG and we have a conference call scheduled for tomorrow (Wednesday) at which we will discuss options. Given that we are all grateful for the work that Clif has done, we don't want to hurt him while we twist his arm, but we definitely do not want to lose the u2-users community. So, we will take the input from the list (so feel free to keep writing on the subject and give us any advice you can) and put our heads together tomorrow and let you know shortly thereafter how we think we can address the requirement from Clif that he be able to end his much appreciated run as the moderator and host for the list. I'll plan to be back in my office towards the end of this week and Clif has indicated that he will not just pull the plug if we don't have a smooth transition to whatever-comes-next for the u2 community by April 1. Apologies for not having any transition plan, but that is the nature of the throw them in the water so they will learn to swim approach that Clif adopted (which, quite frankly, is the ONLY way anyone was going to let him out of his work with the u2-users list, so I can understand the strategy, but YIKES -- we will do what we can not to drown!) Cheers. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Chair of the so-far-still-self-appointed emerging U2UG Board -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Lists are closing
Forgive me if I sound like a broken record here but it is most assuredly NOT necessary to (as the OP puts it) go check the forums. You need only subscribe to the forum and can then receive e-mail each time something is posted. That e-mail contains the entire content of the posting. The only time it is necessary to go to the forums is in that case where you wish to reply to a posting or create a new posting of your own. Any one would hope that the folks on the board would see that as an area that could be changed. Dave Graham -Original Message- From: Liesse, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lists are closing Well, I'm sorry the lists are closing, but I can sympathize with Clif. I'm not a happy camper, since that means now I have one more thing to put on my to-do list every day (go check the forums), but so it goes. Clif, thanx for the effort you've put in over the years. Dave Liesse -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
I have a simple-minded idea that may increase the value of the U2UG website and prevent us from loosing the huge amount of already accumulated knowledge that resides in this list. Would it be possible to transfer the posts to the list to the website? I know that there may be some legal wrangling and space considerations to deal with but I for one would hate to loose the knowledge that has been generated by this list. Dave Graham Storis Management Systems, Inc. (954) 725-3655 Ext. 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Burwell, Edward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:35 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: The lists are closing ..Yes I'll see you, I'll see you on the other side... - Ozzy Osbourne -Original Message- From: Brian Leach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 5:36 AM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: The lists are closing Cliff, We whose lists are about to die, salute you. It's been a great service - you should be held up as a shining example to moderators everywhere in promoting the best blend of discussion, humour and debate amongst a very informative list. More than that, you have made us all into a (not always united, but what the hell) community. I'll miss picking through the 700+ emails when I get back from holidays, and I'm sure my productivity will increase as a result ! but what I will mostly miss is the feeling of being part of an immediate, entertaining and switch-on online community. Brian -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: The lists are closing
Not to be obnoxious but why not keep data in one place? How would it benefit someone to start a question in one medium and then be referred to another? That sound counter-intuitive to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 2:03 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: The lists are closing 1) We DO want to leave the archives at indexinfocus. 2) We DONT want to replicate the archives onto u2ug 3) We DONT want the lists to continue Go to the web site, and enter each forum you are interested in and click on SUBSCRIBE this will make all responses come to your email box just as they do now. You can register, but if you dont SUBSCRIBE you wont be seeing nothing Will In a message dated 3/29/2004 11:02:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The archives for the lists (which go back to the mid-90's) would remain for now at http://www.indexinfocus.com. But I don't yet see a way to go forward on our site archiving the IBM web content so they'd be static. We do plan real soon now to add other content. Is there a general opinion that the email lists should continue? How can we avoid then having two separate, disconnected places for information -- the list and the U2UG forums? -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Uniobjects
No so at all - the majority of the WinFAST installations that are out there (not STORIS mind you but the other, non-MV ones) are primarily done in AutoGui mode. This is a mechanism that we chose not to use because we opted for the whole hog approach. I recommend that anyone looking for a relatively simple, inexpensive and quick to market solution to the perennial it looks like DOS complaint. Look at WinFAST - it's versatile (you can get a GUI in a short period of time, thus preserving market share) and then, if you choose to, go to the event driven model. As you know Debster, we made a reasoned business decision not to go with the AutoGui mechanism because we felt that A) we had enough time left in the character based application to do it right the first time and B) that the underlying business rules needed to be broken out of the input routines anyway. Based on those two facts, the decision to re-write was made with full knowledge of the time and expense needed. Prior to making that decision however, several proof of concept trials were made and the face of the product was very successfully changed to look as though it were developed in VB (or other graphically-oriented tool). I stand by my statement having been intimately involved with the product from the beginning of our relationship with them. Anyone who would like further information about this issue is free to contact me off-list for details. Dave Graham Storis Management Systems, Inc. (954) 725-3655 Ext. 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:30 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Uniobjects Ahem -- 30 Days Dave? Admittedly it's a nice product and very easy to use but 30 days is stretching it just a wee bit. Not impossible but it would have to be a Chief/Cook/Bottlewasher operation, (you know how those confused powers that be that keep changing their minds (13 times on one screen alone comes to mind), along with end-users can slow things a tad) with a relatively simple system. -- Debster Steve, I recommend that you check out WinFAST (www.goWinFAST.com). We have been using the product for 2+ years now and it's blindingly fast, as secure as your existing application and can be implemented in less than 30 days with minimal code changes (or you can go 'whole hog' and re-write your code into an event driven model). Dave Graham Storis Management Systems, Inc. (954) 725-3655 Ext. 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Steve Mayo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 3:47 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Uniobjects Hi Everyone, We are in the process of analyzing different approaches to porting our software to a GUI environment. We are currently looking at Uniobjects for Java, System Builder, jBase with ObjEx, OpenInsight and Obsydian (which I have yet to get information on). If you have any other ideas or have gone through this process, I would like to know a few things: 1) How is the response time with multiple windows up at the same time? 2) How did you deal with security? We need field level security. 3) The approach you used to convert the screens, etc. We are using Unidata on AIX, have 40+ users and have in excess of 200 screens. Any help would be appreciated. Steve Mayo -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: [UDT] Use of PCPERFORM and the PHANTOM command
Thanks to both Tim and Ken - I'll try these suggestions today. To all that I confused with the mixed syntax - this project is for both Windows and *nix systems (AIX, SCO, Linux, etc, etc) and I have to make it work reliably on any type of platform that UDT is supported on. So I mixed the syntax (sort of) deliberately to infer that. Sorry if I caused any confusion. Dave Graham Storis Management Systems, Inc. (954) 725-3655 Ext. 102 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Ken Wallis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:17 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: [UDT] Use of PCPERFORM and the PHANTOM command Timothy Snyder wrote: Graham, David wrote: snip I have a UniBasic program that executes the following line of code: PCPERFORM cd \folder\folder\U2Account; udt PHANTOM ProgramName snip the process that executed the PCPERFORM command will wait until ProgramName has completed and *then* will return to the original process. [snip] It's not an issue with PCPERFORM. Also, I'm a bit confused by the command itself. The backslashes indicate you're in Windows, but the command separator of a semicolon indicates UNIX. Try replacing your command with the following: PCPERFORM cd \folder\folder\U2Account echo PHANTOM ProgramName | udt for windows or PCPERFORM cd /folder/folder/U2Account ; echo PHANTOM ProgramName | udt for UNIX. On UNIX I'd go with: CMD=cd /folder/folder/U2Account; nohup udt PHANTOM ProgramName CRT CMD PCPERFORM CMD On Windows, I'd try something like: CMD=cd \folder\folder\U2Account start udt PHANTOM ProgramName CRT CMD PCPERFORM CMD HTH, Ken -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
