Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes

2017-10-22 Thread Clay Stewart 
Less interference is you have other rockets or other interference (like a
gazillion Comcast hotspots).

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> For electrical or mechanical reasons?
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> On Oct 21, 2017 2:17 PM, "Clay Stewart"  wrote:
>
>> Yes for both, but I would put an X adapter kit on the RD-5G30 to get 45
>> degree polarity.
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do these Ubnt dishes work (without modification) with the af5x radio?
>>>
>>> RD‑5G31‑AC
>>> RD-5G30
>>>
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes

2017-10-22 Thread Phil Curnutt 
No, I put the AF11FX on the mount that held the AF5 that it was replacing.
They are the same mount.

Phil

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 8:48 AM, RickG  wrote:

> "Also, I found that the AF5 mounts and the AF11FX mounts are the same as
> well, which really made upgrading that link a breeze."
>
> Do I misunderstand or are you using an AF11 on a Rocket Dish 5?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Phil Curnutt  wrote:
>
>> Concur.  I used four RD's when we started converting because we had them
>> in hand.  After that went with the AirFiber dishes.  What is really cool
>> about the AirFiber dishes is the mount is the same as the RD's and AC 620s,
>> so if you are upgrading you don't have to mess much with alignment, just
>> plug and play.  Also, I found that the AF5 mounts and the AF11FX mounts are
>> the same as well, which really made upgrading that link a breeze.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Think I'll just go with the newer dish before doing that kind of stuff.
>>> Thanks for the heads up!
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Oct 19, 2017 12:17 PM, "Phil Curnutt"  wrote:
>>>
 AirFibers do not fit the RD-5G30 mount, but a velcro strap works just
 fine.  Ubiquiti makes a conversion kit for the RD-5G30 to make it a
 slant 45 orientation.  Not sure of the AC dish as I haven't put an AirFiber
 on one

 Phil

 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Josh Luthman <
 j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:

> Electrically I can't imagine why it wouldn't, do you have any ideas?
>
> Mechanically is the better question to ask and what I should have
> stated.  Not sure if Ubiquiti went through and made one uniform mounting
> for the af5x/AC/prism/M type attachment.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett <
> wispaubntus...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Electrically or mechanically?
>>
>>
>>
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>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 10:39:46 AM
>> *Subject: *[Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes
>>
>>
>> Do these Ubnt dishes work (without modification) with the af5x radio?
>>
>> RD‑5G31‑AC
>> RD-5G30
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes

2017-10-22 Thread RickG 
"Also, I found that the AF5 mounts and the AF11FX mounts are the same as
well, which really made upgrading that link a breeze."

Do I misunderstand or are you using an AF11 on a Rocket Dish 5?


On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Phil Curnutt  wrote:

> Concur.  I used four RD's when we started converting because we had them
> in hand.  After that went with the AirFiber dishes.  What is really cool
> about the AirFiber dishes is the mount is the same as the RD's and AC 620s,
> so if you are upgrading you don't have to mess much with alignment, just
> plug and play.  Also, I found that the AF5 mounts and the AF11FX mounts are
> the same as well, which really made upgrading that link a breeze.
>
> Phil
>
> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 10:20 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Think I'll just go with the newer dish before doing that kind of stuff.
>> Thanks for the heads up!
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2017 12:17 PM, "Phil Curnutt"  wrote:
>>
>>> AirFibers do not fit the RD-5G30 mount, but a velcro strap works just
>>> fine.  Ubiquiti makes a conversion kit for the RD-5G30 to make it a
>>> slant 45 orientation.  Not sure of the AC dish as I haven't put an AirFiber
>>> on one
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
 Electrically I can't imagine why it wouldn't, do you have any ideas?

 Mechanically is the better question to ask and what I should have
 stated.  Not sure if Ubiquiti went through and made one uniform mounting
 for the af5x/AC/prism/M type attachment.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
 Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Mike Hammett <
 wispaubntus...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Electrically or mechanically?
>
>
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> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"Ubiquiti Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 19, 2017 10:39:46 AM
> *Subject: *[Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes
>
>
> Do these Ubnt dishes work (without modification) with the af5x radio?
>
> RD‑5G31‑AC
> RD-5G30
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
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Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes

2017-10-22 Thread Rory Conaway 
What does airview show?

Rory

From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Mitch
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 4:44 PM
To: Ubiquiti Users Group; Adair Winter
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes


Adair

have 3 foot clear  fresnel (20 feet middle) and still the AF5X wont work and the

100km AF5 and 5Us wont either so I am at a loss

40 towers and back hauls these just will not function so am not

very confident in spending more on AF11x at this point.

just scared lol



On 10/21/2017 6:10 PM, Adair Winter wrote:
We have about 40 af5x links and all of them perform as they should. You have 
two small of antennas for a shot that long. Need at least 3' antennas and good 
fresnel clearance. With proper alignment and tuning,  they will kick just about 
any  backhauls ass.

On Oct 21, 2017 5:27 PM, "Mitch" 
> wrote:

I am kinda nervous to spend more on the AF line even for the AF11x

After three types of AF have failed and costs so far are over 6000.00 in dishes

R5C, AFx, AF units, and AF unit shipping to return replacements that failed (2)

with in a few days ???

Kinda tired of spending and not working you know?

Mitch

On 10/21/2017 5:18 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:
Had a 12 mile AF5 link that was very marginal because of distance, plus it was 
a bitch to align.  Replaced with AF11FX on 35dB dishes and it works like a 
champ.  Dropped them right into the AF5 mount and they linked right up and only 
need a tweak in alignment.  I'm guessing about a 5-7 mile link is about max for 
an AF5 to get 8x modulation.  Also, have an AF5X link at 8 miles with a 34db at 
the Slave end and a 30dB at the Master end and it to works great.

Phil

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Mitch 
> wrote:

We aligned them no side lobe here

used alignment scope and borrowed a laser aligner from a

Verizon friend just to make sure

Loved that laser one but 12,000 is a little more than I can spend right now LOL

On 10/21/2017 4:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I had a 2 and 3 foot dish working with Rockets for years.  Tried swapping to 
af5x and couldn't even associate!

After so much hassle back and forth etc we discovered the dishes were 
misaligned.  Rockets did 60 megs where af5x wouldn't associate.

Af5x works a LOT better aligned than Rockets side lobed.

Josh Luthman
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On Oct 21, 2017 4:52 PM, "Mitch" 
> wrote:

Plain old UBNT 2 foot dishes have had for years

On 10/21/2017 3:49 PM, Ben Moore via Ubnt_users wrote:
What antenna do you have with the AC?  That really is the difference.
Thanks,
Ben

On Oct 21, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Mitch 
> wrote:

Yet Support says it's "Thermal Ducting" Hmm

Thank Mike I finally came to the same conclusion . atleast for the 19 mile 
link

Now just got to figure out why the 9 mile link sucks as well

On 10/21/2017 3:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The AF5 only has 23 dBi antenna. There's no way it'll work well at that 
distance.

Also, you're comparing 23 dBi antennas to 29 - 31 dBi antennas. That 12 - 16 dB 
difference is most of what you're missing when comparing to the other link.


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From: "Mitch" 
To: "Mike Hammett" 
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 3:05:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5x radio on dishes

We have installed a 22.6 mile link in Missouri that works very well the AF5

tried a AF5U at it never even linked up

This link has been up and running for almost 3 years

On 10/21/2017 2:56 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
The AF5 just isn't meant for distance. Look at