Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM To: ubnt_users@wispa.org Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price wise. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per link. What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 PTP450. I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products being made to work with the new rules. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better. If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com ] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users mailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
The force110 ptp is 220 megs so I'm sure the 450 meets or exceeds. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 9:43 PM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: I'm guessing ~100 megs HDX as that's what the PMP450 does. Not sure price wise. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21:59 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 per link. What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 PTP450. I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products being made to work with the new rules. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better. If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com j...@spitwspots.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_usersmailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing listubnt_us...@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing listubnt_us...@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense. If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM To: ubnt_users@wispa.org Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20mhz channels and 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD. I would expect between $2000-$3000 per link. What does a PTP450 in 3.65 run price wise? Performance? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 PTP450. I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products being made to work with the new rules. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better. If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.netmailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.commailto:j...@spitwspots.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.comhttp://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_usersmailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_usersmailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_usersmailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios
Up to 125 Mbps capacity - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:49:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios With a pair of 20mhz channels (or even a 10 and a 20), it would certainly be worthwhile... with 3550-3650 it would definitely make sense. If I remember correctly, PTP450 in 3.65 is pretty close to the same price as AF5... maybe a bit less. I think they claim something like 125Mbps... so yeah, airfiber would probably perform better, even if it was limited to half duplex. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [j...@spitwspots.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 8:21 PM To: ubnt_users@wispa.org Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios It's possible they could get AF certified in a pair of 20 mhz channels and 1024QAM. That should do ~250Mbps FD . I would expect between $2000-$3000 per link. What does a PTP 450 in 3.65 run price wise? P erformance? josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 05:09 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Actually, now that I think about it, full duplex probably wouldn't be possible in 3.65... which makes airfiber a whole lot less interesting - I'm not sure it would realistically be able to do anything that can't be done now with a 3.65 PTP450. I'm guessing they are waiting to see what happens with the 3.65 rules... I they'll 3550-3650 if it gets opened up, and I can't see their current products being made to work with the new rules. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com ] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 7:44 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios A 10Mhz wide AF5 can do ~190Mbps HD @ 8 miles in 256QAM. If they push that up to 1024QAM it'd look at a lot better. If I were Ubiquiti, I'd wait to see how the potential 3.65 rules play out first. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 04:30 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: With all 25 MHz? I mean they can only get heavy throughput with loads of spectrum :/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 16, 2014 8:28 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: I'd be more interested in a 3.65ghz airfiber at this point... -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Josh Reynolds [ j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com ] *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2014 6:56 PM *To:* ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] Any hope for 3.65GHz AC radios AC gets most of it's bandwidth via some neat tricks, but primarily 80 and 160MHz wide channels. 3.65 in UBNT-land is limited to 25MHz. josh reynolds :: chief information officer spitwspots :: www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 12/16/2014 03:50 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud) wrote: Would solve some BH issues. Thanks. ___ Ubnt_users mailing listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users mailto:listUbnt_users@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
