Re: which distro
Ubuntu 14.04 or Sonar. Happy hacking. On Friday 26 September 2014 11:52 PM, Lenny wrote: Hi, I am looking for a version of Linux to run on my Asus 701. It has a Celeron Mobile 900 MHZ processor and 1GB of RAM. Ubuntu XP-Like version 10.04 runs good on it, but every time I try to install Voxin for Orca, it seems to install, but I get the message that speech-dispatcher is not included in this version, which comes after the Voxin install. I hear the IBM voice speaking during the install, and I log out and back in, and no Voxin. So I'm looking for another distro for this notebook. It has a 4GB HD, so something like Lubuntu would be good. I tried booting to that, but either Orca would not boot as usual, or it has the latest kernel which does not like this processor. I also cannot boot into Sonar or F123. I want a GUI. I was wondering about Arch, and then installing a GUI but I'm not sure how involved that is. I'm looking for suggestions here. Thanks. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: will the Dash be accessible for Orca in Trusty?
Making dash accessible should not be a hard work if it is not done so far. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Monday 11 August 2014 02:24 PM, Milton wrote: Hi developers, Can you tell me if the Dash will be accessible with Orca in Trusty in the near future? It is good to know if this will hapen or maybe for the next LTS version? Thanks for your hard work. Milton -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
is Unity 3d production ready for Orca
Dear all, I am wondering if Ubuntu-gnome is the only option for serious use of latest Orca. What I mean to ask is if Ubuntu 14.04 can be used very well with it's dea pfault Unity 3d system? Is it as good as the old Unity 2d? I had asked a few questions about gnome shell and I still don't seem to find a way around things like notifications when for example pen drive is inserted or wifi connection is available. I found it rather comfortable when a pen drive just opened or would be available in the launcher bar. Also the fact that favorites menu is accessible with Unity with just alt f1 in 14.04. I tested the live cd and on the surface it looked pretty accessible. I see orca's performance has also improved drastically. But I wish to know if I can just go ahead with Unity 3d for my production machine? I used Sonar with gnome shell 3.6 or what ever was available on that, it was based on Ubuntu 13.10. Has Ubuntu 14.04 gnome version taken an updated gnome-shell version than 13.10? If yes then may be my impressions about Gnome-shell are outdated. So could some one kindly clear my doubts? Happy hacking Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: trouble with 14.04
Was that Ubuntu-gnome version? They do maintain one. Try that and I guess it should be well to do. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/18/2014 02:59 AM, chad baker wrote: hi i just grabbed 14.04 it restarted after the installation and not getting orca or the login drum also during the installation orca red no contents of what was being installed i’m guessing its not accessible thanks -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: trouble with 14.04
Is the Unity 3d also accessible? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/18/2014 05:23 AM, Rob Whyte wrote: Hi Chad, It is accessible. Are you aware that super alt S starts Orca at the Lightdm login screen? I do not think that the drum sound defaults to being enabled. There has been quite a lot of bug fixing worked on for accessibility. I hope once you get your system up and running you find the overall experience a good one. Good luck Rob On 18/04/14 07:29, chad baker wrote: hi i just grabbed 14.04 it restarted after the installation and not getting orca or the login drum also during the installation orca red no contents of what was being installed i’m guessing its not accessible thanks -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu 14.04 and accessebility
I wonder if Ubuntu guys will afterall come up with a version with gnome 3.10. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/24/2014 05:45 PM, Petra Ritter wrote: Hello, On 27th February the Beta 1 should be released Has this version accessibility build in all ready or have we to waiting for a later build of Ubuntu 14.04? I know it is a beta version and I won't run it on a working machine. I'm just wondering whether the accessibility will be available in this version. Petra --- Diese E-Mail ist frei von Viren und Malware, denn der avast! Antivirus Schutz ist aktiv. http://www.avast.com -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
what to expect for Orca on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS?
hello all, I wish to know what can be expected from Ubuntu 14.04 as far as accessibility is concerned? 1, will Unity 3d be finally accessible and to what extent? 2, Will there be a possibility to have Gnome 3.10 on the said version? 3, I saw a mail few days before on pdf acccessibility through evince? Will that accessible version be available on Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Estimated what GNOME version will ship with Ubuntu 14.04?
This is an extremely important issue which I had also raised a few days ago. I am very very interested to know. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/15/2013 02:55 PM, Hammer Attila wrote: Hi, Estimated the Ubuntu 14.04 final release what GNOME version will be ship? GNOME 3.8 or 3.10? How will be happening a11y stack related updates and importanter components related updates (GTK3, Gnome Shell, etc)? Now, in GNOME 3.8 related have following I founded issues, with partialy reproducable my system with GNOME 3.10: 1. Normal Super+letter custom binding defined keystrokes not working, this is resolved in GNOME 3.10. When I tested this, own risk I upgraded with GNOME 3.10 with following way: Added ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3, gnome3-team/gnome3-staging, and gnome3-team/gnome3-next PPA's and doed a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade command. 2. In gnome-terminal the F10 key press not activate the main menu, this is true with original Ubuntu level packaged gnome-terminal 3.6 version and gnome 3.10 available gnome-terminal version. Hopefuly this is not happening with other installations, and only my preferences are migrated wrong. 3. The gnome-session-flashback oldest classic session the Super+S keystroke not activating indicator-applet-complete applet main menu, I reported this issue with following report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1236902 4. In GNOME Shell classic session happening following issue the applications menu, need visualy verify this issue: In my testing Saucy installation I previous using GNOME Shell 3.8 version and Orca 3.10.1. My session is the GNOME Classic session (the new GNOME Shell 3.8 classic session, not the Ubuntu level awailable gnome-session-flashback session). When I activate the Activities screen with ALT+F1 key combination, first presenting the applications menu. Everithing is accessible with Orca 3.10.1 version, main categoryes Orca right spokening, but I found an interesting problem. If I goto for example the Graphics category (grafika hungarian category) and press right arrow, Orca doesn't the first item spokening. I verifyed what happening if I press this situation two up arrow keys. This situation the caret jump perfect with the first submenu item. Can you have possibility verify me visualy what happening following testcase if you logged in GNOME Shell classic session? 1. Activate activities screen. This situation need presenting the applications menu. 2. Jump down arrow key the Graphics submenu. 3. Press right arrow key. This situation me Orca says the Simple Scan application selected. Visualy highlighted too this menu item? Right this? Not the first menu item need selecting if the user drop down the graphics group? 4. Press Left arrow key after you press two up arrow. This situation the caret not jumping right the Graphics group, I usual land the Favorites group. If I press only one up arrow before I press a right arrow, lands different group. Because I unable to verify visually to real happening this issue and this is not an Orca issue, I reported temporary this issue in Bugzilla and attached a debug file. Report link is following: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=711821 Because Ubuntu Saucy not ship a clean GNOME 3.10 environment, sure by sure own risk I upgraded with my Saucy installation the GNOMe 3.10 version, and repeated the test. I experienced equals result. I added ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3, ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-staging, and ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3-next PPA's and doed an apt-get dist-upgrade command to I get a hopefuly full clean GNOME 3.10 environment. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: XpLike Ubuntu again
I guess mint linux had that interface if I am not mistaken. But again do they have Orca on it is another question. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/08/2013 11:49 AM, Lenny wrote: this will be my last post on this, because either folks have no clue of what I was asking about, or they are so wrapped up in their own flavor of Ubuntu that the only advice I got was to try either a newer version, or try vinux. I have extensively used Ubuntu, and it has gotten me out of binds with my windows systems in the past, like saving data. and I have tried vinux and I prefer a clean Ubuntu to it. but the Os of my choice is windows, XP, with all of its flaws. Clearly there are Linux users out there like me, such that a distro of Ubuntu was made to act like windows. I guess I was barking up the wrong tree on this list with my quest for the benefit of someone's experience of this distro of Ubuntu. Thanks though. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: dreams and schemes
Hi Doug, I have the same experiences. Infact me and my wife got together due to Free software. I have all my students exclusively use GNU/Linux for all their programming and personal work, they have no problems with it. There are a few states in our country which implement free software as a policy. I will not say that the picture is absolutely rosy, but more and more people with whom I come in daily contact are using the free and open source operating system for every day work now. a few years back, 5 odd years to be presise, hearing some one say I use linux was a surprise and a matter of great skillset as it seemd to many people. But now every other person uses it or at least knows it. This is what I have been through, I have not used proprietary softwaer or OS since 2005 and I have no regrets at all.. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2013 07:16 AM, Doug Smith wrote: Good going, Kyle. I want to work as well. However, come here and try to find some kind of work, even if it's being paid to sneeze into the wind. The person who put on here that we have to put up with a lot of prejudice and rejection. Short of taking control of the world, I see no reasonable solution to this in the near future. The only thing we can do is work when we can. I have used linux exclusively since the mid to late 1990's. I have done such things as offered to get the systems going again in local businesses when they fail, but they had rather lock the doors and tell the customers that the computer has failed and the managers not to let new people in. That is a class A susser when someone right there in the store could help even if screens had to be read. I have worked on people's computers for some time. I have friends in the next town for whom I have done computer work and they have learned to use a computer with linux on it and have had no real trouble with it. Here at the McCune Center, where I live, I have helped several residents with computer problems. I just replaced the software on the machines with linux and all is well. I have even helped people get things going on systems I have never seen before over the phone. You are right. I know that it takes a while to get up to speed on some of this new tech that you have never programmed for. That's fine. I'm working on that one and it is not as complex as it seems. It's time consuming with all the other things I have to do but I can do it. Now, on the subject of learning new computer systems. I have taught my girlfriend, the other friends I referred to above and some of the residents here to work with linux systems and they like it. They don't have any kind of real problems that are too difficult to fix. I could not have done that if I sound rude, condescending or mean. I hope this message doesn't come across like that. If so, I apologize in advance. This is just a statement of fact, not a flame. Now, I have not used proprietary operating systems or screen access tech since the days of the Apple // family of systems on which I first learned to do computing of any kind. I have used linux since the mid to late 1990's and I have never looked back. I have never used windows nor mac-osx. I also find that whatever I need to do on a computer is easily doable on linux. I do not mean to brag. I have nothing to prove and I have nobody to prove it to. This is, as previously stated, just a statement of truth. Yours truly: -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
Well, I see that Ubuntu wishes to be on tabs or phones or all other such machines, but I don't clearly see that the vission has accessibility that seriously. These days I hear that android is quite improved on accessibility and has done so pritty quickly. This is what it means by being serious about accessibility. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/31/2013 01:21 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: On 10/30/2013 02:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. I agree it's a shame there aren't more resources for accessibility, and it is obviously a case of priorities and not resources. I don't agree though that it's a case of Canonical just pandering to their able bodied users. Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical have a vision of an OS that encompasses smart phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and servers. I want to see this vision succeed, and I want to see ubuntu rival Windows, Android and the Apple OS's. I think this will benefit all computer users, including the blind. Last I knew, Canonical was trying to accomplish this, and build their commercial business, with around 500 employees and has yet to make a profit. I agree we should be clambering for more resources for accessibility and we should be demanding that accessibility be a higher priority, but I don't think that we should be asking Canonical to give up it's vision to accomplish this or that we should mis characterize these efforts as just pandering to their sighted users. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Firefox 25?
It is just that it is an ICT and as far as android is concerned, for what ever it is ment, they take accessibility seriously. Ubuntu is also an ICT (software/ OS of any kind is an important ICT component ). So it is natural to think of accessibility and compare. yet I agree that Google may have more employees. That is one point we must take into consideration. perhaps it is llike comparing a smaller oringe to a bigger one. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/31/2013 03:43 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I don't understand the analogy with Android. Android runs on smart phones and tablets and a few other devices. It doesn't run on laptops, desktops or servers. It isn't clear what the future relationship will be between Android and ChromeOS. Canonical has 500 employees, the last I knew, and not all of these were working on Ubuntu development. How many employees does Google have and how many developers are working on Android? Canonical is not making a profit. What is Google's profit and the other companies contributing to Android? As the saying goes, I think comparing Ubuntu to Android is like comparing apples to oranges. On 10/30/2013 05:00 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Well, I see that Ubuntu wishes to be on tabs or phones or all other such machines, but I don't clearly see that the vission has accessibility that seriously. These days I hear that android is quite improved on accessibility and has done so pritty quickly. This is what it means by being serious about accessibility. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/31/2013 01:21 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: On 10/30/2013 02:19 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: On 10/30/2013 11:19 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If there were more resources, more effort could be put into supporting interim releases. Luke I agree. It's a shame that Canonical is so focused on replacing GNOME with Unity, replacing Wayland with Mir, building its own cloud deployment solution, putting Ubuntu on every device, that it only has a single developer to spare for access, which is why I've asked for years what meaningful action can be done about that. Even Android pushes out accessibility improvements faster than does Ubuntu these days. But there just doesn't seem like enough interest from Canonical--too busy pandering to their able-bodied users I suppose--so I'm at a loss. The issue isn't resources. It's priorities. I agree it's a shame there aren't more resources for accessibility, and it is obviously a case of priorities and not resources. I don't agree though that it's a case of Canonical just pandering to their able bodied users. Mark Shuttleworth and Canonical have a vision of an OS that encompasses smart phones, tablets, laptops, desktops and servers. I want to see this vision succeed, and I want to see ubuntu rival Windows, Android and the Apple OS's. I think this will benefit all computer users, including the blind. Last I knew, Canonical was trying to accomplish this, and build their commercial business, with around 500 employees and has yet to make a profit. I agree we should be clambering for more resources for accessibility and we should be demanding that accessibility be a higher priority, but I don't think that we should be asking Canonical to give up it's vision to accomplish this or that we should mis characterize these efforts as just pandering to their sighted users. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: 13.10 problems
This time around when 13.10 came out, I was a bit more hopefull that this will be a fine precursor to the next lts release which will have wonderful progress since 12.04. But Now my worries are getting more and more grave as to how long will we have to stay with 12.04 as the most accessible distro of Ubuntu? People like me can still use Arch, because we understand some commandline stuff and fix things here and there. But what about absolute end users? For them some thing like Ubuntu perfectly fits the bill. I only hope we have a sharp turn around and 14.04 LTS comes out with great accessibility. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 10/21/2013 07:18 PM, chad baker wrote: hi i'm new to linux just grabbed ubuntu 13.10 i'm finding the installer not accessible at all is there a trick i know in 12.04 it was a lot better i had a sighted person help me install 13.10 but when logging i got no speech i had it at the login i have a e machines 2 gb of ram desktop and its 64 bit thanks -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Libreoffice in Ubuntu 12.04
I had the same curiosity for long time. I would like to read the documentation, specially for spreadsheet. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 09/11/2013 08:00 PM, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, I think it is a good idea to go to the tools - settings... then inside the accessibility treeview branch there is a checkbox saying something like enable cursor inside read only documents. This makes help documents to be readable with orca but still I am unable to figure out how I can move from the content treeview to the actual document being opened. I can find and click it using flat review though. Greetings Peter On 11.09.2013 13:38, mengualjean...@free.fr wrote: Hi, I am trying to access to the help of Libreoffice from my Ubuntu 12.04 system. For that, I do F1. Then, I select the Contents page with arrow keys. Next, still with arrow keys in the tree, I choose text document, creating a text document browse and select. Then, I do enter. On a Windows system, it seems the contents appears on the right part of the window and that it is possible to take off the focus there with tab and/or f6. I do not have this here. COuld someone test? I have two questions: 1. is the content displayed indeed on the screen (I cannot check myself)? and 2. how can I put there the focus and read it with Orca? Thanks for your help Regards -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca in Xfce?
Correct, You have to do some configurations for xfce. And I would rather suggest you include Orca for either gnome shell version 3.8 or xfce. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 08/19/2013 02:57 PM, Jimmy Sjölund wrote: Hi, I'm part of the devel-team for Ubuntu Studio and we received a request to include Orca and brltty in the next releases to further support visually impaired users. I have been doing some tests to include Orca but not very successfully. The aim is to include Orca already during installation. However, I'm not sure where to address my questions and issues. My first thought was the Ubuntu Accessibility team but I'm not sure the team is still active? I've tried the #ubuntu-accessibility channel on IRC. Since I'm uncertain if the issue is because I'm setting it up wrong, or it's an issue since Ubuntu Studio use Xfce as default or if it's an issue with Orca in general in 13.04 and 13.10 I'm not sure where to turn? Any pointers? Kind regards Jimmy cub on irc.freenode -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good. Greetings Frederik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
yeah, I had tryed as well and had the same problem. I think there could be some more things to test and if they are not fundamentally broke, then we are in for a happy surprise. I would be interested to see how Firefox works under this infra structure and how libre office works as well. Personally, I use Eclipse so that's another thing to watch out. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 07:17 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Very true. The thing that I want to test is editable text areas in QT. That was the biggest problem I saw last year when I was trying out KDE. If you were in Kate or Kmail and there was some text you wanted to put in either because you were editing a file or filling out a form of some kind, Orca couldn't read it back to you. If it was a field you were filling in, you could tab away and backtab back to it and Orca would speak its contents but, individual character by character or word by word navigation was not possible at the time. I hope that's gotten better since then. I haven't looked at it since May or June of last year, I think. It is a very important piece of the puzzle. Alex M From: Krishnakant Mane [mailto:krm...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 8:42 AM To: Alex Midence Cc: 'Frederik Gladhorn'; kde-accessibil...@kde.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; 'Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List'; orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT This essentially means we must try things pretty early on and start reporting bugs agressively. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 06:37 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Wonderful news! I certainly feel better for it. Thanks for all your hard work on qt-at-spi. Alex M From: Frederik Gladhorn [mailto:frede...@gladhorn.de] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2013 3:21 AM To: kde-accessibil...@kde.org Cc: Alex Midence; orca-l...@gnome.org; vinux-supp...@googlegroups.com; Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List Subject: Re: [Kde-accessibility] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT Hello, On Tuesday 23. July 2013 13.23.47 Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: Qt 5 contains all the accessibility code that was used for Qt 4, including the plugin qt-at-spi which will then no longer be needed. Many things have also been improved since we learned from finally making Qt 4 accessible. All in all this means that the Qt 5 based Unity should be able to reach the level of the old Unity and hopefully exceed it. Of course that's still up to the Unity developers and probably a fix here or there in Qt, but generally I would expect things to look good. Greetings Frederik http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] VINUX-SUPPORT: RE: Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
I think the issue here is the total mindset and also the fact that many so called smart business men don't realize the business they can generate out of accessibility. Firstly, there are those who don't *still* beleive that a totaly blind person like me can actually use a Phone, let alone a computer. And I am refering to highly qualified engineers or business personals. Secondly, how many would go one step ahead and say let's add a million more probable custommers by making the device accessible? That's why accessibility takes a back seet. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/24/2013 10:51 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I agree accessibility should be baked in from the beginning. It's cheaper than bolting it on later, opens up more revenue streams, provides positive PR and so on. It's the law here in the US, and just the right thing to do. I wasn't speaking from my own opinion, but just echoing where I think these companies are coming from and why I think their making the investments they are. I can't think of a single smart phone company that introduced an accessible smart phone with they're first offering and that includes Apple, Google, Microsoft and Nokia. I don't like it, but I don't think many companies place accessibility very high on their priority lists as compared to getting a new product into the market place and getting it to a point where it's competitive and profitable. I've heard that Apple had to develop it's own screen reader when Berkley Systems went out of business and no other 3rd party screen reader would develop a screen reader for the Mac. Apple was in danger of losing government contracts because MS had an accessible story while Apple did not. I don't know this first hand, but I would say I have it from reliable sources. Of course, Apple has gone far beyond this in making all of it's products accessible out of the box. I'm not aware of any company losing a government contract because they didn't have an accessible smart phone story, but I suspect this is possible as smart phones become more and more a ubiquitous part of the business world. This is why I suspect MS will address accessibility on their Windows Phone platform at some point. I think they need to get the Windows Phone platform to a point where government agencies start considering asking their employees to use a Windows Phone. Right now, I suspect Windows Phone doesn't have the apps or the market penetration for businesses or government agencies to even consider it as an option. I've heard good things about the Windows Phone platform though, and I do know it's becoming a viable third option behind Apple and Android. The real point of my email though was to be careful making analogies between Canonical and Apple/Google. If we assume Canonical has 500 employees with one person working on accessibility (I know I'm being optimistic.) then how does this compare to Apple and it's ratio of total employees to those working on accessibility? Also, don't forget that Apple's first smart phone was not accessible. It wasn't until this was successful in the market place and competing with Nokia and Blackberry before they added accessibility. Ditto for Google. On 07/24/2013 11:57 AM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote: It strikes me that, from the perspective you're describing, a viable product apparently does not include accessibility as a matter of course. (I'm not saying that's your own view, but only that this is the view you describe--all too well and concisely.) Until our access needs are deemed equal to the access needs of those who use the standard monitor and other tools, the attitude in the business will be wrong. Tell me if I'm mistaken, but I think I heard recently that Apple's recent foray into accessibility resulted from a law suit. (I say recent foray because there was a period during the 1980s when it provided some speech output at least.) Does anybody know for sure whether this is right or wrong? Al On 07/23/2013 11:38 PM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote: I agree it's unfortunate that Luke is the only one working on Unity accessibility, but there is a big difference between Canonical and Apple or Google. Apple is the wealthiest company in the world. Google is also a large company and is also quite profitable. Apple and Google are already well established players in the mobile space. Neither the iPhone nor Android were accessible when they were first released. Canonical is a tiny company, less than 600 employees, and is still not profitable after being around for about eight years or so. It's still trying to break into the mobile market. I'm not defending Canonical here. I too wish that they would invest more in accessibility development. I'm just pointing out that circumstances right now between Canonical and Apple/Google are quite a bit different. I think Canonical focus right now is to just get a viable product out into the market place. I'm sure that once that happens
Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu Unity Desktop to go to Mir and QT
From what has been said about QT accessibility off late, it could infact be a blessing in disguise. I think the people working on that front would have a better and real answer though. And we can go ahead with gnome shell if things bother us too much. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 07/23/2013 11:53 PM, Alex Midence wrote: Hi, all, It looks like Ubuntu's Unity desktop will be switching to QT/QML in the near future. It looks like they'll be using QT5. Does anyone know the current state of accessibility for qt5 or QML? We were all disappointed to find out that Unity 2d was discontinued in Ubuntu 12.04 and it is believed that Ubuntu 14.04 would continue it's wonderfully accessible legacy. This was supposed to soothe our ruffled feathers when 12.10 and 13.04 came out with Unity 3d only which was not as accessible. Well, now, I am curious to know if the timetable for that level of accessibility in a Ubuntu desktop will need to be pushed back even more in light of this development. Please see link below: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/unity-next-project-announced Regards, Alex M ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: A few questions concerning Ubuntu 13.04
Gnome shell is 3.6 on Ubuntu 13.04 by default but you can add 3.8 which in my experience is very accessible and nice to work with. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 05/06/2013 08:39 PM, Robert Cole wrote: Hello, everyone. I have enjoyed using fedora over the past year or so, but I just do not have time to solve the big problems which I am having with the system. My wife and family who use my system have run into quite a number of issues, and it makes their experience pretty unpleasant. I am thinking about moving back to Ubuntu, but I have a few questions: 1) Does the problem with the Compiz eZoom plugin on Unity 3D still exist (e.g. only the desktop area si zoomed, but the panel and dash remain unaltered)? 2) If I install GNOME Shell, will it be version 3.6 or 3.8? I appreciate your help on this one. Take care, everyone. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
That seems fairly good enough. I would think that 3.8 has more improvemnets, but don't know really how to set it up on Ubuntu 13.04. Happy hacking. krishnakant. On 04/26/2013 11:25 PM, Piñeiro wrote: On 04/24/2013 05:46 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, Hello, sorry, I'm arriving somewhat late. I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. But I understand that Gnome shell 3.6 is much more accessible than 3.4. Is this correct? Yes, GNOME Shell 3.6 is more accessible that 3.4. If yes, then how good would it be as compared to Unity 2d? Never compared with unity2d sorry. do we have some thing similar to heads up display? Can I access the top panel where wifi settings or other system related options can be accessed? Yes. As Luke mentioned (and it is a good point that I didn't take into account), wireless strength is not exposed. But you can access the panel, and looking for available wifis. The problem about knowing which one is the current selected was also fixed. Is the menu bar totally accessible? AFAIK yes. Any other advantage or prominent improvements over Gnome shell 3.4? Most of the UI was reviewed in order to check missing names and roles. GNOME Shell 3.4 was good enough to do some tests with orca in order to improve it. GNOME Shell 3.6 was the first usable version by orca users, imho. Right now, the only missing spots that I can remember right now (some of them already mentioned) are: * Wifi strengh, mentioned on this thread (I will create a bug about this shortly) * Laptop battery level (althought fwiw, it reads the remaining amount of time) bug#684464 * Volume level on the volume slider bug#648623 BR -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Can some one give me quick overview of the basic desktop navigation? How to use the application menu (some thing similar to alt + f1 in Ubuntu 12.04 unity)? Can I add (lock ) or unlock items from the launcher? What is the command for top panel access? Any other commands which I should know? happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/25/2013 07:18 PM, Dave Hunt wrote: There is a search in the overview area. As you type, the names of applications and files that match your typing are displayed as push buttons. Hitting the 'enter' key when one of these is focused, opens the corresponding file or starts an application. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Hello all, I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. But I understand that Gnome shell 3.6 is much more accessible than 3.4. Is this correct? If yes, then how good would it be as compared to Unity 2d? do we have some thing similar to heads up display? Can I access the top panel where wifi settings or other system related options can be accessed? Is the menu bar totally accessible? Any other advantage or prominent improvements over Gnome shell 3.4? I am a Unity 2d user, how big a learning curve it would be to switch over to Gnome 3.6? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? Is it any faster in performance as compared to Unity? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/25/2013 04:24 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 01:46:39AM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, I wish to know if the Ubuntu 13.04 gnome edition is worth using for a complete daily desktop? As far as I can understand from the responses to my previous queries, many suggest that Unity is still as good as 12.04. Thats not correct. Ubuntu 13.04 and 12.10 before it do not have Unity 2D, and Unity 3D is still not nearly as accessible as Unity 2D. There are still bugs with navigating the dash and the launcher, to the point where I would not recommend it for day to day use for most users. GNOME shell 3.6 is known to be quite usable. It is quite easy to be productive under GNOME shell 3.6, having almost everything at your fingertips. I don't think you get wireless network strength though, but I think thats a small sisue, and newer versions of the shell will likely have this fixed. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
On 04/25/2013 08:11 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:16:43PM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? No it is not. I am surprised you use the HUD, because its not as accessible as it could be, and I find it gets in the way. Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? On 04/25/2013 08:11 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: If you want to use GNOME long term, then yes. Ubuntu will be moving away from the use of GNOME as part of its desktop, and will be using its own Qt based GUI. There will always be the GNOME remix, and I dare say once Ubuntu stops using GNOME completely, then you will see GNOME regularly up to date in future Ubuntu releases. I did not quite get you. Hasn't Ubuntu already moved away from Gnome Shell? I guess there is an official remix with the Gnome shell? And I did not understand the relation between Gnome being regularly updated and Ubuntu moving away from it. And given that the Unity is going through a complete rewrite using QT5 would also imply that the entire accessibility infrastructure will be remade which won't make Unity totally accessible until next couple of years. Is that correct? Happy Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: how good will be the gnome shell edition of Ubuntu 13.04?
Luke, Just a quick response, Well I have been using HUD a lot and kind of like it. It does not come in my way as such. As a joke, let me tell you, I have not gone to the top panel of Unity 2d for quite some time to shut down the machine. I don't use it as well for selecting and connecting to my wifi or mobile broadband. All this works so well with HUD. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.On 04/25/2013 08:11 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:16:43PM EST, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Still no confirmation for my query on some thing similar to Heads up display? Is such a feature there in Gnome 3.6? No it is not. I am surprised you use the HUD, because its not as accessible as it could be, and I find it gets in the way. Also, I wish to know from all the eminent list members, is Gnome shell the right path to go for a long terms solution? If you want to use GNOME long term, then yes. Ubuntu will be moving away from the use of GNOME as part of its desktop, and will be using its own Qt based GUI. There will always be the GNOME remix, and I dare say once Ubuntu stops using GNOME completely, then you will see GNOME regularly up to date in future Ubuntu releases. Is it any faster in performance as compared to Unity? Its hard to compare that at the moment, given unity 3D is not fully accessible, and given that Unity is undergoing another rewrite to be Qt5 based. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Libre Office saga continues, should I downgrade
hello all, Now I am in a fix. I did upgrade to Libre Office 4.0 and find it very good in terms of performance. But till date I haven't had any luck for disabling Unity menu integration. I wish to have access to file, edit, view ... menus like before. I will be conducting a massive workshop in a couple of weeks and don't wish blind students to use any difficult versions. Should I downgrade and how? or is there really a solution where I can just disable the menu integration specifically for Libre Office? happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Libre Office saga continues, should I downgrade
That still does not solve my problem. It is not about a comparative analysis. I just wish to know if there is a way in which I can disable menu integration in Libre Office 4 or should I downgrade to 3.5 or some thing and if the latter is recommended, then how. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/23/2013 03:35 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: blind people have been using emacspeak for several years, that has a learning curve but accessibility problems are missing since the author of the environment is blind as well and works at the googleplex. Messing around with libreoffice until there's enough accessibility customization included in the system is unlikely to be a reliable productivity tool. Latest version of emacspeak is 37.00. Latest version of libreoffice is 4, go figure and guess which package has had more developer support working on it. If you guess emacspeak, you're wrong. On Tue, 23 Apr 2013, Krishnakant Mane wrote: hello all, Now I am in a fix. I did upgrade to Libre Office 4.0 and find it very good in terms of performance. But till date I haven't had any luck for disabling Unity menu integration. I wish to have access to file, edit, view ... menus like before. I will be conducting a massive workshop in a couple of weeks and don't wish blind students to use any difficult versions. Should I downgrade and how? or is there really a solution where I can just disable the menu integration specifically for Libre Office? happy hacking. Krishnakant. --- jude jdash...@shellworld.net Microsoft, windows is accessible. why do blind people need screen readers? -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: is Ubuntu 13.04 going to be any better?
Well, I think Ubuntu 13.04 is going to be released at least by this month end. So may be they might fix more bugs along the way. Perhaps waiting for a month more might help the cause. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/21/2013 06:18 PM, Nolan Darilek wrote: Running on my laptop now. The beta install was about the same as all other previous accessible installs in that it's mostly all functional, but there are a few rough edges that I wish had been banished already (my wireless driver is proprietary, so every time I install on my laptop I have to connect via ethernet so my timezone gets set automatically.) Unity accessibility is maybe a bit better than 12.10. I used to experience some odd alt-tab behavior that is now mostly gone. The menu along the left side also seems a smidge more accessible and provides spoken feedback more often than not. I don't use GNOME so can't speak to any of those questions. On 04/20/2013 10:45 PM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, A couple of my curious students asked me if Ubuntu 13.04 would be any better in terms of accessibility as compared to 12.04? Which version of Gnome shell will be available? what about Unity 3d? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: is Ubuntu 13.04 going to be any better?
Ah, so they have not finalized the release date is it? I haven't been to Ubuntu home page off late so not really aware. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/21/2013 06:36 PM, Kyle wrote: I'm just a little concerned that the GNOME edition is still running GNOME 3.6 + Orca 3.8, whereas Ubuntu 13.04 should be running GNOME 3.8 in its entirety. But maybe they will upgrade the GNOME edition to 3.8 after the Ubuntu release is finalized. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk/ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: libreoffice 4
I find it accessible too although I don't know what bugs have been really fixed. And by the way, I need to know how I can disable the unity global menu from libre office. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/09/2013 08:39 PM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: Hi, I find Libreoffice 4.0.2 very accessible, Ii am using mainly writer, but lots of bugs have been fixed. Vojta Dne 9.4.2013 14:47, sunny p o napsal(a): Sir, All versions after libreoffice 3.4 are not accessible for blinds especially libreoffice calc. On 4/9/13, ubuntu-accessibility-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com ubuntu-accessibility-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: Send Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list submissions to ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-accessibility-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-accessibility-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Ubuntu-accessibility digest... Today's Topics: 1. still no solution for menu bar access with Libre office 4 (Krishnakant Mane) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 11:07:34 +0530 From: Krishnakant Mane krm...@gmail.com To: Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Cc: orca-l...@gnome.org Subject: still no solution for menu bar access with Libre office 4 Message-ID: 5163a91e.7070...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hello all. I had previously reported this problem. I still can't access the Libre Office menu bar. I am aware that this is because the Unity integration in LO is not stable. I wish to know if some one has a solution to disable the global menu integration of LO with Unity? I don't want to disable Unity style menus for the entire system, just LO. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility End of Ubuntu-accessibility Digest, Vol 89, Issue 1 *** -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
still no solution for menu bar access with Libre office 4
Hello all. I had previously reported this problem. I still can't access the Libre Office menu bar. I am aware that this is because the Unity integration in LO is not stable. I wish to know if some one has a solution to disable the global menu integration of LO with Unity? I don't want to disable Unity style menus for the entire system, just LO. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Resignation
I hope this resignation won't imply leaving the foss community. Now a days many are being disappointed by the way Ubuntu is going along and I am sure we all might be looking for an alternative, debian seems to be one of them. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 03/05/2013 03:19 AM, B. Henry wrote: Yours is one of the first names I noticed on the U.A. list which I subscribed to with-in days of starting to use Vinux and Ubuntu in mid 2010, and while we've had very little personal interaction your contributions have been noted and appreciated by me. paths do diverge as they come together, and while yours is no longer on the same vector as Cananical's I have no doubt that your contributions will continue to be of value when and where you make them. Thanks, and the internet will surely bring us in to contact again one way or another. Best wishes, -- B.H. On Mon, Mar 04, 2013 at 01:36:36PM -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: After much thinking and consideration, I am resigning from all Ubuntu related activities. I can no longer say I agree with most of the decisions being made by Canonical. While I wish this distribution all the best, I can not consider myself of something that I am no longer finding expresses my ideals and actions. I will also be resigning my Ubuntu membership. For those wishing to keep in touch, I will remain active on google+ and will maintain my email at charlie.kravetz AT gmail DOT com Thanks to everyone for fantastic memories. -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://linuxcounter.net/user/425914.html] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Fwd: Re: [orca-list] [ubuntu] updated a11y page
If one distro is named, then the person must make his stand clear and the reasons for it. May be there is a point which some might agree, but get the points out at least. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/19/2013 10:30 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Sorry for the cross posting, and I know those on the Orca list have already seen this, but I just wanted to bring the following to everyone's attention. Bill Dengler has taken his opinion that Vinux is irrelevant and not needed from the Orca list to the Ubuntu accessibility community wiki. I make my opinion known below. Given the open nature of wikis, I'm not sure what any one can do to keep such a personal opinion from being portrayed as the communities opinion. I also think it's a shame that Bill Dengler seems to have such a grudge against Vinux. He seems to have a lot to contribute otherwise. He doesn't call out other distros though, like Sonar or F123, so there seems to be something specific about vinux where he feels compelled to tell the world how irrelevant and unnecessary it is. Original Message Subject: Re: [orca-list] [ubuntu] updated a11y page Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 10:38:03 -0600 From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: orca-l...@gnome.org I think the statement that Vinux is not needed any more on this page is inappropriate. I think this is a personal opinion that we already discussed on this list. If anything, this is the opinion of one person or a few people and not necessarily the opinion of the entire Ubuntu accessibility community. IMHO, Vinux is not irrelevant Of course, you could say that any distro or flavor is irrelevant or not needed, but distros and flavors spring up for a reason. I have a rather long list of steps I follow to get stock Ubuntu to the point where I can drop it into my production environment, including changing Makefiles and recompiling. To have this done for me in a distro makes that distro relevant. IMHO, Ubuntu accessibility is more than just getting Orca up and running on the desktop. As I said above, this has already been discussed on this list, and I think you've been involved in those discussions. I'd suggest reviewing the archives of this list and that discussion. I'd also suggest taking this off the Orca list and maybe over to the Ubuntu Accessibility list. Finally, I'd suggest being receptive to feedback on this content. On 19/02/13 09:31, Bill Dengler wrote: How so? I installed Ubuntu 12.10 using a USB flash drive onto this linux laptop, used it, upgraded it to 13.04, am still using it without issues, am typing this e-mail on said install, and about to press ctrl+enter and send it. There was a time when Linux a11y was hard to set up, where gnome wasn't even fully accessible, where we were using this gnopernicus screen reader that gave us minimal access etc. Those times we needed a simple, insert the disk, push a button and start up a talking system disk. But the standard Ubuntu media with no modifications does this and does it well, and so Vinux is irrelevant. On 02/19/2013 10:25 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 03:18:05PM GMT, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 02:46:14PM GMT, Bill Dengler wrote: I updated Ubuntu's a11y page. Does this look correct/current? Do you suggest anything else? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Accessibility I don't really think its worth mentioning Vinux on an Ubuntu page. Vinux is not really recognised as an official derivative of Ubuntu, and likely never will, due to the use of 3rd-party repositories and a development cycle thats not in sync with ubuntu, among other things. And, it could be argued that the blurb about vinux and its relevance or otherwise is a matter of personal opinion. Luke ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: problems upgrading from 10.10
YOu won't be able to update that machine because the 10.10 repos have no more updates, the support is over. Installing 12.04 would help. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/12/2012, Lenny ger...@cableone.net wrote: Hi, I am using Ubuntu 10.10 on one of my netbooks, and since it keeps reminding me to upgrade, I thought I'd do that. It seemed to update first, I ran: sudo apt-get update But when I try to upgrade, it can't seem to get any packages and it fails. I am not using a proxy, and I am on-line. When I use sighted assistance to go into synaptic package manager, to set it to default instead of smart update, under settings, it locks up. Any suggestions? Thanks. Glenn -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: installing 2012.10
How can one update to gnome 3.6 on Sonar? happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Wednesday 31 October 2012 10:45 PM, Kyle wrote: Although Ubuntu 12.10 is not considered to be accessible out of the box, I believe the installer still works without needing extra help, and once installed, you can configure it to use standard GNOME 3.6. The recommended Ubuntu for accessibility and eyes-free installation is still 12.04 LTS. You could also try one of the Sonar images at http://sonar-project.org/ which is based on Ubuntu 12.04 and then update it to run GNOME 3.6. Hope this helps. ~Kyle http://kyle.tk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] hud is speaking
I have the same experience. Good to have this working with Orca. This gives me another reason to stick to precise for at least one more year. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 05/17/2012 02:01 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: Hi, I would like to announce, that HUD is accessible. I don't know which update caused it, but it speaks with latest orca from master, as well as with orca provided in ubuntu repositories. Just type something and press up or down arrow to get to offered options. I don't know if it has any other capabilities. Vojta ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
a suggestion/ idea for a faster file manager
Hello all, Off hand I can't really remember which file manager is used on Adriane Knoppix on lxde desktop, but an Idea crossed my mind? I am not into graphics based library although my programming brain can't find a way to unjustify this idea. Why can't we have that same file manager run on Gnome? If LXDE does use gtk based things and given that we can use KDE based apps on Gnome, why can't we run the lxde based file manager in Gnome? Infact if we can get KDE based apps on Gnome, LXDE seems to be a closer friend. Any suggestions? happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
interesting observation about Orca and thunderbird
Hello all, I found an interesting fact about Thunderbird accessibility. I guess this might be fixed in the next update to tb although I don't know why this happens. When I have an active INTERNET connection, it is but natural that tb will connect to the server, google in my case. After a few seconds the password prompt comes up, but Orca takes about a minute or 2 to read the password dialog. At first I was under the impression that it is thunderbird that takes time, but now I know it it is the Orca that reads it late. I also had a feeling that Orca might be taking time due to the huge list of emails in my inbox (6000) at present. But that might not be true, because once Orca announces the password prompt after that delay, I have no particular problems navigating the list of emails. Can any one reproduce this? Is there some way I can speed this up? Is this know and will Ubuntu 12.04 have the fix if any available as an update? I ask this because firefox offlate has been behaving so nicely. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
more on thunderbird accessibility review
hello all, I have started to review accessibility of Thunderbird again. As reported yesterday, I did start browsing the emails offline. Now I have another problem which is known for quite some time. Yesterday Thunderbird was opening very fast. But today It has slowed down. Infact I feel it should have speeded up because now since my inbox is off list it does not have to cache every thing at startup. I have about 5000 mails in my inbox. Now I get Orca's response about 2 minutes after I start thunderbird. I have other folders such as archive_2011 which contains 15000 emails but I did not choose to download this folder. Further I have 150 emails in my sent folder and it is downloaded to the local machine just like my inbox. Any suggestions or explanations? Lastly, I try sending emails from tb during which I hear the to: field properly, but I don't here the cc: when I choose it from the dropdown. I write an email address in to: then hit enter. Now Orca should announce the current focus which is the dropdown for to: cc: etc. But nothing is spoken. I do a guess and press down arrow and then tab. I type another email id in cc: and tab over to subject. This time, while I shift + tab to cc: field, Orca not just announces cc: but also reads the email address present there. Can some one reproduce this? Is some work going on with tb accessibility? happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu 12.10 and beyond, Unity 2D will no longer be maintained.
On 05/10/2012 05:58 AM, Luke Yelavich wrote: On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 03:09:25PM PDT, bando?ers wrote: So, while I agree that there's no great need for most people to use the transitional, (between LTS), releases, but am left with a question. Does this mean that those who don't have 3d graphics support will be forever restricted to precise and back? Again I don't see this as much of an issue for people now that LTS releases will be supported for 5years, and of course hardware is aging as am I. I just want to make sure I understand. How old is the hardware you are currently using? Chances are that you indeed do have graphics hardware that has 3D graphics support, and you haven't needed to set it up, i.e you have an NVIDIA card that is not capable of rendering 3D graphics without installing the proprietary NVIDIA drivers. There are some edge cases for specific hardware released in the last 10 years like a handfull of netbooks, but modern Linux desktop shells are doing their best to support 3D graphics hardware that is 8-9 years old. See my recent email about desktop shells and their graphical requirements for more information. If you are still using hardware that is more than 9 years old, then yes you will need to upgrade, unless you switch to XFCE or LXDE, as chances are your CPu won't be fast enough to render any desktop at a sufficient speed to be usable. Luke Hi all, I strongly believe that Unity 2D should have existed for much longer. I guess people are aware that tablets would need such a thing that takes less memory. In any case, if accessibility is broken in Unity 3D? then it is Ubuntu's responsibility to fix it up. For Unity 2D I can only say one thing. Some one aught to have a ppa for Unity 2D and since Unity is licensed under gpl, a community driven team can surely maintain it. Talking about 3D support, my Thinkpad was taken in 2007 and I am not sure if it has 3D card. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] many thanks to you developers
Hi Miltan, So what all keyboard commands you have set? happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Tue, May 08, 2012 at 05:46:34PM +0200, Milton wrote: Hi all, Many thanks to all Orca and Ubuntu devlopers. Today after updating my system and define the keys in the keyboard application for alt_f4 alt_tab etc I like to work in Precise Unity 2D with Orca 3.4.1. In LibreOffice Calc I can do my thing, Firefox etc. Milton ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Issues with the keys
The only thing I find irritating these days with 12.04 is that Orca has a hard time working with nautilus. If one has to browse through home folder or documents etc, Orca takes a lot of time to respond to the navigation using arrow keys. Else all is working fine, at least at my end. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 06/05/2012, Simon Eigeldinger simon.eigeldin...@vol.at wrote: Hi all, I noticed the following issue after a while when working on the ubuntu 12.04 release. In Unity 2d and orca 3.4.1 and i also guess on orca 3.4.0. After working with the system a while the system starts doing weird things with the keyboard. the alt key stops working like key combinations like alt+f4 stop to work and all other alt combinations. the alt key to open the HUD seems to continue to act as normal. Then the next step often is that orca looses its orca modifier key and then you have just the chance to partly fix that by restarting the machine. Wonder if someone has the same problem and has a fix for that? greetings, simon -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
getting login music, forgot the command
Hello all, Some days back there was a thread on this list about the login music not playing after password is entered. Some one had posted a command which I have lost. I tryed to dig my archives, but can't find the email. Can some one give me the command again? I had put it in my startup apps and the music used to play, happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: A little bug, Shutdown menu doesn't work in Unity Greeter
think we press alt + f10 to get to the top panel. Then moving to left takes us to device menu. Now pressing up arow once will take us to shutdown. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 01:26:26PM +0200, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy, Possible everybody already known, Unity Greeter presenting awailable indicators in the login screen. If an user press F10 key, land the devicemenu indicator, with usual have following menu items: 1. Suspend. 2. Shut down. I found a little bug, with I don't no what the proper component with need reporting: If an user press ENTER key the shut down menu item, nothing happening, the machine is not shutdown, suspend works right. The user this situation land back the Unity Greeter screen. Why happening this issue? The answer is very simple, because the Lightdm user not setted with com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown GSettings key with true value. This GSettings key determining if an user choosing the devicemenu indicator with shutdown, restart or logout menu items, happening a confirmation dialog presenting or not before happening the real operation. If this GSettings value is false, the confirmation dialog is presenting, but this is not happening in Unity Greeter. You easy to verify this value with LightDm user with following commands, and possible changing temporary with this setting to true value if you want work the shutdown menu item in Unity Greeter until this bug is not fixed: 1. Verify actual value in terminal with following command: sudo -u lightdm dbus-launch --exit-with-session gsettings get com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown If the returned value is false, do next step. 2. Setting the required true value to work shutdown menu in Unity Greeter: sudo -u lightdm dbus-launch --exit-with-session gsettings set com.canonical.indicator.session suppress-logout-restart-shutdown true 3. If you want, do the first step to verify the change is happened right. After this, you need logging out if you want testing the new change. My machine if I click shutdown menu, the system shutdowning right in Unity Greeter too. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Routing Orca's focus to mouse pointer
Oince I started to use mutt as my mail client, I have been looking for this feature as well. happy hacking. Krishnakant. , Apr 26, 2012 at 05:03:32PM -0600, Jeremy Lincicome wrote: Hi list, I am helping a new user to set up his Ubuntu box, and I was wondering if there is a shortcut to route Orca to where the mouse pointer currently is. The user is looking for a read from pointer type feature, whereby Orca reads from the current location such as a block of text. This would be the reverse of routing the mouse to where Orca is currently. If there are any partially sighted users who understand what the user is trying to accomplish, please respond with any workarounds. Thanks, Jeremy -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 12.04 daily - my impressions
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 06:14:45AM -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Hi. Related to your problem running gedit as sudo, try rename the file /etc/sudoers.d/a11y-sudo to /etc/sudoers.d/a11y-sudo.bak. On 04/18/2012 04:15 AM, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: Hi, Yesterday, I have successfully installed ubuntu 12.04 daily (probably version from April 17th. I am very satisfied with the way, in which the accessibility was done, I haven't encountered any glitches during installation, I used external harddrive, bootloader has been installed correctly. I am using ubuntu 2D session, I suppose this is Unity 2D. It seems fairly accessible to me, but I need some things to be clarified. I have encountered only one crash of unity 2D, and installed all available updates, even tried Skype and was able to read EULA and login screen without any problems. I have downloaded latest orca master (3.5.X), compiled and installed using checkinstall. I have tried firefox without any visible problems, gedit, totem, rhythm box. I have encountered these problems: 1. Orca has problems with tabs in windows like orca preferences. To reproduce: a) open orca preferences b) move with tab several controls forward c) using shift+tab move backward, untill you reach general tab. d) press left or right arrow - you will skip to some control, but the tab won't change. e) use tab to cycle through all controls and find general tab again. f) press arrow and now it works. Try this on any dialog with tabs. 2. I had some problems when setting up manual IPv4 configuration for my wireless network. When I typed IP address, i couldn't move to any other fields, I had to use flat rewiev to get out of it and finish my configuration. 3. I have a suspicion, that orca doesn't read refreshing text in gnome terminal - during installation of packages or whatever, but I don't have reliable way of reproducing it. 4. In Libreoffice, Orca reads always the previous line and then two times current line. However, when I changed verbosity for soffice to brief, it stopped. When I changed it back to verbose, it was normal as well, so for now I can't reproduce it. 5. This is not a bug but just warning - the shortcut for showing desktop has been changed after full upgrade to ctrl+super+d. 6. Whe I tried to run gedit as root in gnome terminal, it showed - no display could be found. Whats this? Now I would like you to help me to clarify some misunderstandings: 1. What are those dash, HUD, menu etc... I am confused. When I press Super key, i can search applications, files etc. good. Is there any way of dislpaying applications in categories like in gnome? When i press alt+F1, i have some menu with applications and there are mounted file systems shown towards the bottom of it. When I press alt+F2, it is something like run dialog, ok. When I press alt, HUD is not speaking. The menu using alt-f10 is working nicely. I am quite confused. 2. Should I try latest gnome (3.4) on this system? It is system for pure testing, so no problem. Is it worth trying? -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Will the latest orca release be in the daily build iso
Hello all, After reading Joanie's email and looking at the tuns of errors we have managed to fix, I would strongly recommend Ubuntu guys to include this version (3.4.1) in the next daily build of Ubuntu. Luke, would that be the case by default? in that case please ignore my email. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry
Hi dave, Which means it is clear. I must upgrade Orca. I will get 3.4 so would upgrade. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 12/04/2012, Dave Hunt ka1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, +1 for the Libreoffice quick starter! I'm not sure whether this helps, but, I happen to be using orca, pulled from Master this morning; I think it's 3.5.1pre. Using 'orca+r' for 'row header' and 'orca+a' for 'read focused cell', work great! I seem to have calc working as well as it did under Trisquel 5.5, after I updated Office to 3.5, and Orca to 3.3.4. Cheers, Dave On 04/11/2012 02:38 PM, krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello and thanks to Attila, Dave Andy etc. Sure enough, after having the quickstart checked as instructed I have all office softwares like calc loading faster. But I am afraid, nothing more has come out from this change. The problems of row header not getting set with capslok +r still persists along with all the problems I reported. I have 12.04 updated till date so that can't be the reason. Should I also update my Orca version? it is currently at 3.4.0 happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Dave Huntka1...@gmail.com wrote: 'tools-options-memory', in any Libreoffice app, to enable the quick start. When that's done, restart system. I think you will like the improved responsiveness, over-all, and the renewed usability of Calc. Cheers, Dave On 04/11/2012 11:44 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart option? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attilahamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy Krisnakant, This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the default Orca script the events. The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I reported earlier: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing issue too I think: Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 I have got following experiences: If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role when you typing the cells. If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always resolve the calc related problem. I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca modifier+r keystroke. After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the proper column header. Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened your machine this timing issue related bug. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: no login sound in 12.04
On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: Doesn't Orca usually come up talking when you log on? I agree it's good to turn on the log on sound, but I'm not sure how critical it is, and I'm not sure the Ubuntu Accessibility team needs to tell us something we can look up or figure out for ourselves. Orca comes up talking, but then after entering the password how one knows if the login process is complete and the desktop has come up? with the logon sound, we have a queue which acts like kind of mile stone. for example on my machine it is 3 seconds after the sound fades that desktop is totally up. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry
hello all, I just tryed using calc for some important work and I was a bit disappointed. firstly i pressed capslok + r for setting the row header. But that feature does not work like it used to in older versions. Note that for a blind person this is really crutial because 20 or 30 rows down the line, I aught to remember in which column I am typing. Hereing name b50, address c50 ... is really necessary as there is no time to always go up the rows and read the headers. Secondly, when I type in cells the experience is really bad to say the least. type in a cell and try moving to the next one, coordinates are not read properly. This also happens when you move out of the merge area. Further more the command capslok + a does not read the content of the cell. Can some one take serious note of this? It might be an orca problem which won't worry me, since we all know the credibility and sincearity of people like Joanie. But if this is a calc issue, I don't know how long it will take to fix. Happy hacking. krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry
Hello all, Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart option? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attila hamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy Krisnakant, This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the default Orca script the events. The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I reported earlier: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing issue too I think: Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 I have got following experiences: If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role when you typing the cells. If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always resolve the calc related problem. I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca modifier+r keystroke. After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the proper column header. Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened your machine this timing issue related bug. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: discovered that calc is not as good with orca during data entry
Hello and thanks to Attila, Dave Andy etc. Sure enough, after having the quickstart checked as instructed I have all office softwares like calc loading faster. But I am afraid, nothing more has come out from this change. The problems of row header not getting set with capslok +r still persists along with all the problems I reported. I have 12.04 updated till date so that can't be the reason. Should I also update my Orca version? it is currently at 3.4.0 happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Dave Hunt ka1...@gmail.com wrote: 'tools-options-memory', in any Libreoffice app, to enable the quick start. When that's done, restart system. I think you will like the improved responsiveness, over-all, and the renewed usability of Calc. Cheers, Dave On 04/11/2012 11:44 AM, krishnakant Mane wrote: Hello all, Can some one tell me where is the preferences dialog in libre office calc (or any office software ) and which tab has the quickstart option? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Hammer Attilahamm...@pickup.hu wrote: Hy Krisnakant, This is a timing issue I think with at-spi2 and Orca related, some time Orca not loading right scripts for some apps with first start. This situation forexample not loaded right the Soffice script when you launched with the Libreoffice Calc application, and want handling the default Orca script the events. The cell coordinates related problem is I think following bug, I reported earlier: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672953 Have an another issue with Orca/Libreoffice Writer, this is a timing issue too I think: Some time Orca all text caret movement spokening text field related tutorial message, this is following bug with not fixed yet: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=672784 I have got following experiences: If I enabling the Libreoffice quick start function in Libreoffice preferences/memory page, this problems are doesn't happening my machine, and Libreoffice apps start more faster. If your machine have for example 1 GB of ram, feel free use this possibility. If you don't want this, for example calc try you uncheck the formula toolbar menu item in view menu. This change resulting you hopefuly will be hear cell coordinates, and doesn't presenting type text frame role when you typing the cells. If this is not help with first Libreoffice Calc start, simple restart Orca, and cell coordinates are right spokened, my machine this is always resolve the calc related problem. I tested now dinamic row header function, works good. I simple fill the first row with wanted column headers, and pressed Orca modifier+r keystroke. After this, I moving between cells the second row, and typed some contents. When I move the prewious or next cell, Orca right spokened the proper column header. Possible you not working this function because when you tryed happened your machine this timing issue related bug. Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Tales of 2d Unity
Hi Dave, Happy to know that you got a better experience with Unity this time. With cut copy paste, I have one suggestion. Why can't we have orca responding cut to clipboard or copy to clipboard when we cut or copy and pasted from clipboard when we paist it. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 06/04/2012, Dave Hunt ka1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I did some playing with a flash drive installation of Ubuntu 12.04, as released on 05-April, and had the best Unity-2d session yet, though did manage to crash the shell 3 times. With each shell crash, I could have the shell automatically relaunch. All crashes are reported in launchpad. When my system starts, it automatically logs in as the user Ubuntu. Orca is supposed to start on login, but this does not seem to happen, though, perhaps, it is attempted? I always have to start Orca manually, after waiting for the complete desktop to be present. When Orca is fully running, I discover that the shell had crashed, and have the bug report form available, with the 'close' and 'relaunch' buttons. When I hit 'relaunch, I can use the pre-loaded browser to fill the form, and continue. From this point, the shell restarts, and appears to run as expected. That is, I have access to the menus at all times, The dash and launcher seem to keep wirking. I even added some items to the launcher, and their shortcuts persist. I tried to use the heads-up display to find something on my hard drive, which is mounted in the '/media' directory, (confirmed by directory listing in terminal). I believe a single press and release of the 'alt' key is how one is supposed to do this? It resulted in a Unity shell crash, again, filed, using aport, and launchpad. The Unity shell relaunched and was usable, again, until I shut the system down normally. My experience with browsing attempts in the hud does lead me to another question. In my installed Trisquel system, I have a 'network' place, that shows me the other machines on my local network, and lets me login, using sftp. I get a nice Nautilus display of the directories I'm allowed to see, with cut, copy, paste, and so on, options, as if these sites were local folders. I've never found a way to see these things in Unity, past or present. Anyone know how to do this? I'm not sure whether I'm ready to turn this machine into a pangalin just yet, but I'm feeling a lot better about Unity-2d than I did yesterday at this time. A switch may be the easiest and best way to keep my accessibility stack current. Trisquel's 6 months behind, though, solid. Maybe I can run Classic Gnome, in 12.04, and have the best option? Cheers, Dave -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: I reported a caret navigation related issue with checkbox application
Hi, Which daily build contains this bug? I think since all major things are working pritty fine, this would be quite easy to sort out. I will have some good internet connection tomorrow so would download the daily build for sure. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 04/04/12 20:24, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy, Nnow in Ubuntu Precise the checkbox-qt package are default installed. Both the QT interface and the old GTK interface the readonly textview widgets the caret navigation are disabled, Orca doesn't speak selected lines with arrow key movements. I reported this issue in Launchpad, and attached a beginning patch with the GTK interface: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkbox/+bug/973430 In the GTK interface the caret navigation already work, but the new textview widget the cursor lands default with end of the textview content. In QT interface I not have ydea how can possible resolving the caret navigation related issue. In Ubuntu 12.04 with qt-at-spi 0.2.0-0ubuntu1 version are packaged. Not this is the latest upstream stable version with are fixed text entryes related issues (for example spokening deleted characters, etc)? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu 12.04, live desktop sessions, and Orca.
So this is what we all hoped and it is the best that could happen in the recent times. Thanks for coordinating this and getting it done. I see more and more progress happening with Ubuntu and Unity 2d for accessibility. Can I just update my existing installation on 4th april to get the same effect, or is it necessary to actualy download the new daily build? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 03/04/12 07:18, Luke Yelavich wrote: Hey folks, From reading a few emails on both the Ubuntu accessibility list and the Orca list, I saw many users reporting that when they enabled Orca after live CD startup and then chose to try Ubuntu, that they were taken into a Unity 3D session, which as we all know, is not as accessible as Unity 2D, which is what should load. I'm happy to report that I have reproduced the bug, and have also found a fix. This fix should be in the next daily build of Ubuntu 12.04, which is to be the April 4, 2012 build. If people could please download this daily build, enable Orca at startup as usual, and choose Try Ubuntu, that would be appreciated. You should now be taken into a Unity 2D session. Please let me know if this is not the case for you. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
hi Dave, Wondering what has gone wrong? I tryed my usb pen drive both on a netbook and on a machine with I5 processor with 3 gb ram. My netbook has 2gb ram. I made the disk with a sighted assistant using the USB startup disk creater. I absolutely have no problems. I hear the drums sound. As I mentioned before, I wait for about 3 or 4 minutes and select try Ubuntu by just pressing tab and then enter. I again do some guessing and then I press alt + f2 and type orca and hit enter. Now just logout and I get the drum sound. Press ctrl + s and wait for a minute or so and you will hear Orca start talking and every thing is fine from now. I press tab, then enter followed by shift + tab to hear Orca say unity 2dd. Again press enter to select it and come back to username. type Ubuntu and press enter. Hit enter for password. Here I don't get the login music. I am pritty sure though that it does not take more than 15 seconds and I again press alt +f2 and type orca and enter. Now I get all accessibility on Unity 2d. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 21:06, Dave Hunt wrote: Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Hi Charlie, YOu are right, when the try Ubuntu screen comes I get the drum sound. And since I had pressed ctrl + s during the first drum sound, I get Orca talking every time I use the bootable pen drive. I even here it tell me details about Try Ubuntu screen. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 21:55, Charlie Kravetz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Dave Huntka1...@gmail.com wrote: Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes It looks to me like you are installing to the USB drive, instead of writing the image to it to install later. The drums sound when using the live session, before it is installed to any drive. When the screen Try Ubuntu Install Ubuntu comes up, the drums should sound. Hitting Ctrl+s after those drums starts Orca and allows a screen-reader install. I could be wrong, since I don't use USB drives to do any installations. I only run them from CD-r. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPedLlAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbASw8H/Alj/dCDF2Vx+8eUQSwa6gTc 94iP3DRo4QeIXRxCkkq6JUFb0dEkbFry9aLnLmaBA2TuMvwbodDr2O1aM8PfNPB6 pHGJWgbJvLYTqq5qlEe/6AOdNELp4cu6fw3edqYM8kHLCPc2riudoDuePrJ4HKv0 BDI9Vph92URnEcidaI/Y6/j5mltnBdzBvd0qAKGOP3S8ksJHklpikLCM21rtMExx ssVHhcDGB4HSBGtS171MUb4k/e3qEPp8EdaEE5mLBj+HZjdHwOaNyTfQ87SLW5zf WPCULyjc9xofYQwTPHGGj5phS1talLg5qjRCZIGns0reaSIBI3CaMS5IZnoz1Xc= =l00x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] lots of things working great with the April 1St daily build
On 01/04/12 22:47, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, That's great news re: the 01-April daily build of Ubuntu 12.04. How do you get Unity 2D as your desktop? Do you run this as a flash drive installation? Do you do the install in 3d, then change it after login? I have the trouble coming my way only first time. Basically, I have it on my pen drive but soon to be installed on my netbook. Actually when I booted the pen drive for the first time, I waited for the drums to sound which they did. Then I pressed ctrl + s for the speech. I waited for the desktop to come after I selected try Ubuntu. As you might be aware you got to press tab once after the first screen on live boot comes up. But then the trouble started. I had to do some guess work and after I was sure that the desktop had come up, I pressed alt + f2 and typed orca. sure enough, Orca started. But mind you we get the unity 3d desktop by default. So naturally menus and all won't speak. Yet, I pressed alt +f10 and got orca to read the menus. But if you don't get the same result, just press the super key and type log and press down arrow 2 times. Hit enter. Now you logout Again the drums will sound and Orca will speak. Press the tab key once and hit enter. you will get the choices for the session login. Press shift + tab and you will hear Orca say unity 2d press enter and come back to the username entry field. Type ubuntu for the username and hit enter. now just press enter for password. Wait for 5 or 10 seconds and just start orca using the alt + f2 method. This time sure enough. orca will speak all as I had mentioned in my previous email. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] lots of things working great with the April 1St daily build
Hi Justin, I was actually thinking on putting it on my blog. I will actually do so in the morning. Right now I am travelling in rural part of Maharashtra, a state in India. I am going to give a hands-on demo on Ubuntu 12.04 as a big univercity in that area is shifting to foss and like many institutes they consult me. I will have some more inputs when I do it in the morning and in the process I will also know some more good or bad things about accessibility. Then we can surely make this into a document. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 00:12, Justin Harford wrote: Possibly a redundant request, but will this information be available on a blog or wiki so that when we go to install it ourselves, we can read about what to expect and what to do to make things work? It would be cool even if the below email were just copied on to a wiki under installing 12.04 with speech or something. Regards Justin Harford On Apr 1, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: On 01/04/12 22:47, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, That's great news re: the 01-April daily build of Ubuntu 12.04. How do you get Unity 2D as your desktop? Do you run this as a flash drive installation? Do you do the install in 3d, then change it after login? I have the trouble coming my way only first time. Basically, I have it on my pen drive but soon to be installed on my netbook. Actually when I booted the pen drive for the first time, I waited for the drums to sound which they did. Then I pressed ctrl + s for the speech. I waited for the desktop to come after I selected try Ubuntu. As you might be aware you got to press tab once after the first screen on live boot comes up. But then the trouble started. I had to do some guess work and after I was sure that the desktop had come up, I pressed alt + f2 and typed orca. sure enough, Orca started. But mind you we get the unity 3d desktop by default. So naturally menus and all won't speak. Yet, I pressed alt +f10 and got orca to read the menus. But if you don't get the same result, just press the super key and type log and press down arrow 2 times. Hit enter. Now you logout Again the drums will sound and Orca will speak. Press the tab key once and hit enter. you will get the choices for the session login. Press shift + tab and you will hear Orca say unity 2d press enter and come back to the username entry field. Type ubuntu for the username and hit enter. now just press enter for password. Wait for 5 or 10 seconds and just start orca using the alt + f2 method. This time sure enough. orca will speak all as I had mentioned in my previous email. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
Has any one tryed the latest Ubuntu precise beta2? I remember that people had reported Unity 2d having issues with Orca not reading out the menus with alt + f1 and the launcher? Is it a reality, did somme one manage to reproduce the issue? if yes, what is the current status? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 30/03/12 20:32, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, I tried the Precise beta 2, and could not get the thing to use Unity-2d. When I boot the thing, the login prompt drums never sound, and I never hear the music one is supposed to hear on the Gnome session start. I can start orca manually. Once I have orca running, I discover that the 'alt-f1' keystroke is silent, and there is no apparent navigation in the launcher. A press of 'alt-tab' is also silent. Focus does switch apps, but there is no way to know until I release the keys, and, even then, orca may get confused or go silent. The 'alt-f2' keyboard shortcut for 'show run dialogue' is disabled, as shown in the gnome-control-center 'keyboard' page. I think a press of 'alt+f2' actually puts focus in the heads-up display, and my typing 'orca' into the search area just happened to start the app. Enabling the 'run' dialogue, in keyboard shortcuts, does not help. So, I opened terminal on my flash drive session, and edited '/var/lib/AccountsService/users/ubuntu' and '/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf', changing 'ubuntu' to 'ubuntu-2d', as I could do on an installed system, and tried a reboot. This results in a system that will not boot. True to form, for Canonical, they broke accessibility for this up-coming release. Cheers, Dave On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Has any one tryed the latest Ubuntu precise beta2? I remember that people had reported Unity 2d having issues with Orca not reading out the menus with alt + f1 and the launcher? Is it a reality, did somme one manage to reproduce the issue? if yes, what is the current status? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
This is quite possible and I really hope it is the case. As a matter of fact, all things were so well that I can hardly believe that it could be broken. 'But yes, there is a lot of hast during the final beta release, because after this one, we will just have the Rc before the final version. So hope things will get better. We have a very dedicated Luke who has almost always got things right when it came to Ubuntu. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 30/03/12 21:33, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Remember this is still a beta. I'm not familiar with the Ubuntu development team or community, but if it's similar to other development projects I've been involved with, there's probably a big push to get things fixed and addressed right up until beta 2 is released, so there will be an initial up tick in bugs. This isn't accessibility related but just naturally what happens when any significant amount of code is changed. Now we need to ensure issues are reported, bugs are opened and these issues get addressed before Ubuntu 12.04 is released. On 30/03/12 10:38, Krishnakant Mane wrote: This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 30/03/12 20:32, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, I tried the Precise beta 2, and could not get the thing to use Unity-2d. When I boot the thing, the login prompt drums never sound, and I never hear the music one is supposed to hear on the Gnome session start. I can start orca manually. Once I have orca running, I discover that the 'alt-f1' keystroke is silent, and there is no apparent navigation in the launcher. A press of 'alt-tab' is also silent. Focus does switch apps, but there is no way to know until I release the keys, and, even then, orca may get confused or go silent. The 'alt-f2' keyboard shortcut for 'show run dialogue' is disabled, as shown in the gnome-control-center 'keyboard' page. I think a press of 'alt+f2' actually puts focus in the heads-up display, and my typing 'orca' into the search area just happened to start the app. Enabling the 'run' dialogue, in keyboard shortcuts, does not help. So, I opened terminal on my flash drive session, and edited '/var/lib/AccountsService/users/ubuntu' and '/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf', changing 'ubuntu' to 'ubuntu-2d', as I could do on an installed system, and tried a reboot. This results in a system that will not boot. True to form, for Canonical, they broke accessibility for this up-coming release. Cheers, Dave On Fri, 30 Mar 2012, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Has any one tryed the latest Ubuntu precise beta2? I remember that people had reported Unity 2d having issues with Orca not reading out the menus with alt + f1 and the launcher? Is it a reality, did somme one manage to reproduce the issue? if yes, what is the current status? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ___ orca-list mailing list orca-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
Hi Thomas, I have a little confusion when talking about Gnome3. I wish to know if we set the default to Gnome3, do we get the gnome shell or the old time menu of application, places and system like in Gnome2? What is exactly Gnome classic? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 31/03/12 00:38, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, Well, I think the accessibility issues in beta 2 are temporary. As long as we file bugs with launchpad and let them know what has happened they should be able to correct the problem as access was working with beta 1 fairly well. Assuming they fix said bugs I'll probably switch to Unity 2D as the access we had a few days ago was acceptable if not exceptional. Even if they don't fix Unity 2D its not the end of the world. Gnome 3 is working decently and it is a fairly simple matter to install and configure Gnome for Ubuntu 12.04. Just set your default desktop to gnome-classic and you are in business. Cheers! On 3/30/2012 11:38 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [orca-list] any review for Orca with Ubuntu precise beta 2
Hi Dave, On 31/03/12 10:48, Dave Hunt wrote: When ou use Gnome classic, you get the old-fashioned menus, like 'places', 'accessories', 'internet', 'sound and media', etc. a press of 'super+d' will minimize all apps, and put your on the desktop, which is just another folder under Gnome 3. For setting system preferences, you'll still use the gnome-control-center app; it's 'system settings' in Trisquel 5.5. I like having all these settings grouped in this way. Typing a filter string will show you only the icons with matching names. So is this an enhancement in addition to the old menus? Typing a filter string is very much like the Unity's launcher I guess? And if so this means we have the best of all approaches. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. HTH, Dave On Sat, 31 Mar 2012, Krishnakant Mane wrote: Hi Thomas, I have a little confusion when talking about Gnome3. I wish to know if we set the default to Gnome3, do we get the gnome shell or the old time menu of application, places and system like in Gnome2? What is exactly Gnome classic? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 31/03/12 00:38, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi, Well, I think the accessibility issues in beta 2 are temporary. As long as we file bugs with launchpad and let them know what has happened they should be able to correct the problem as access was working with beta 1 fairly well. Assuming they fix said bugs I'll probably switch to Unity 2D as the access we had a few days ago was acceptable if not exceptional. Even if they don't fix Unity 2D its not the end of the world. Gnome 3 is working decently and it is a fairly simple matter to install and configure Gnome for Ubuntu 12.04. Just set your default desktop to gnome-classic and you are in business. Cheers! On 3/30/2012 11:38 AM, Krishnakant Mane wrote: This is very serious and I think Canonical is really letting us down. It seems they are not as serious about accessibility as they used to be. I won't download the beta2 in this case. Actually I am in some rural part of India and bandwidth is not good enough for downloading the ISO. That's why I asked for the review and if this is what it comes to then I think I and many others will have to give up Ubuntu unless these crutial things are taken care of. I guess many blind users had infact liked Unity2d and were prepared to shift. But if accessibility is really broken to this extent then I wonder what to expect. I have a daily build of Ubuntu 12.04 on a pen drive and it really works so well that I was hoping to use a very accessible desktop from this summer. Hope this is taken care of soon before the release. It gives me a feeling that this is a very trivial issue for the developers of Unity to solve, because it was all working perfectly just a few days back. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
hardi alpha request for speech dispatcher.
hello, I would like to know if ubuntu hardy will have speech-dispatcher to work with orca and espeak? if this has been already discussed I am really sorry for repeating the same, but I would strongly recommend that speech-dispatcher be used for the reasons known to every one specially for those who are involved in sound editing etc. and I believe speech-dispatcher is much more light and vary fast as well. so it will be nice if it is at least included as an option. regards, Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
I have ubuntu dvd, will it have all dependencies for building orca?
hello, I just downloaded ubuntu feisty dvd and was wondering if the following commands needed for orca building will work without internet connection? sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca and sudo apt-get install gnome-common in general I know it needs internet. but having 4 gb of ubuntu packages is expected to have all that the above 2 commands download. My idea is to have a repository of all the packages on my laptop. like for example I will mount this ubuntu dvd on to a directory. and then create a repository for the same. so when I go to a place where there is no internet and if this dvd has all the orca dependencies, my problem is solved. basically I am not understanding what is on the ubuntu dvd which is over and above the cd? regards. Krishnakant -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
need an off-line build dep for orca under ubuntu, is it possible?
hello, in context to the questions asked by mohomad and the answers, I have a pritty streight forward question. I keep on going to schools in some rural areas of India. and for the blind people out there, ubuntu with orca seams to me as the best solution. can some one tell me if I can do an off-line (without internet ) build and configuration of orca under feisty? is the build-dep and gnome-common toolchain available on the dvd repository? what I mean to ask is that if I do sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca with the ubuntu dvd in the /etc/apt/sources.list file, will the build dependencies be updated without internet connection? my question also applies to gnome-common. if that is possible then it will be a great news for all the blind students studying in the rural side of a few states in India where internet is still a rare comodity. if this is not possible with the dvd, what is the other solution? by the way just out of curosity, can some one tell me the difference between the ubuntu cd and the dvd? does the dvd contain a repository of softwares that otherwise need internet? regards. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: need an off-line build dep for orca under ubuntu, is it possible?
On 25/04/07, Lukas Loehrer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just build a debian binary package of the latest svn revision of orca before you go and you can simply install it offline. No need to build it from scratch on every machine. Use the current package in Ubuntu as a basis for your package. I did not get what you are trying to suggest. I know that orca source can be carried any where. what I am worried is how to simulate the apt-get build-dep gnome-orca without the internet connection? I figured out that on my machine which is indeed connected, the build-dep command downloaded a lot of things. another problem I find is about apt-get install gnome-common. how do I work this out? I will be nice to build a .deb package for orca but how to get these dependent components off-line on a cd? can it be so that a deb package is built with all the dependencies intacked including gnome-common and the dependencies downloaded with build-dep? regards. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
can't access the package manager to install softwares, orca not speaking.
hello all, I tried using the psynaptec package manager in ubuntu 7.04 with orca. but after I enter the sudo password for software installation, I don't get any speach output. is this a known bug and is there a work arround? regards. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Please provide some updated details.
ok, so I need to install open office 2.2 on ubuntu 6.10 for best available accessibility is it right? if so then will just apt-get install get me the right version? and as of firefox 3 will I need to setup some thing in my system? till date I have mostly depended on apt-get so will I get the right firefox version for orca? and should I do apt-get install gnome-orca for the latest version of orca or is it needed to be compiled from source? I also get the impression that espeak works better with orca as far as the responsiveness is concerned. if that is so can some one give me some steps to get espeak working with orca. I don't have espeak running on my machine right now but I tested it on windows and it seams to be very responsive. thanks, Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Please provide some updated details.
hi willi, I am so happy to get such a positive response from you. well I did not ask on the orca mailing list because I know that my questions are too stupid for the linux geeks working on orca. it was very kind of you to answer my questions so patiently and with such positive frame of mind which I do have for orca. talking about open office, which version has the best accessibility? I am particularly focusing on font information and attributes. like in jaws I can hear bold on and bold off when I do those actions on selected text. in addition I can also get the size of the fonts and whether it is bold or italics or underline etc. so kindly tell me which open office version should I use. I have the ubuntu 6.10 installation for my laptop. further more I am wondering if we can have 6.06 work good some how with orca? I am asking this because dapper is long time support and thus rock solid. the other stupid question I keep on thinking and pondering about is if I use firefox 2.0 with firevox plugin will it not be accessible enough to read emails or just surff normal pages? thanks again for your answers. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Team Meeting -- topic BUGS
hello all, I have been a passive listener on the accessibility issue so far. I am in the process of setting up the second foss based computer center for the visually handicap people here in India. In one of the states called karala, it has become the government policy to use foss based systems thus gnu/linux has become mandatory in every institution. well as of now we have had much trouble using orca and time and again need to switch back to emacspeak. while emacs and thus emacspeak is a great desktop at the command line it does have steep learning curve and if one has to take complete advantage of all the features in emacspeak they have to take lot of learning trouble which consumes lot of time. and then it is not a good thing to force every one to work on the command line every now and then. any ways coming to the point, I am wondering whether open office related issues have been fixt for the up coming version of orca and ubuntu? the main problems were responsiveness and font/ attribute identification. I had herd from a few people that firefox with firevox plugin worked well with orca but that never happened in my case. one of my colligue did use it but after some days when he updated orca and other little things in ubuntu it stopped working. so what will be the accessibility status of firefox with ubuntu 7.04? I really want to contribute my services to the visually challenged people for accessibility in foss because our government is ready to provide computers to blind students with 90% discount and the only condition is that they will require to use foss based solutions. I have been given the responsibility to see to it that things are working fine in all institutes in my state and that's the reason I am bothering all of you with my questions. thanks and regards. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Please provide some updated details.
hello, I am so sorry to post on the wrong thread. so I am posting with new subject line. my email follows. I have been a passive listener on the accessibility issue so far. I am in the process of setting up the second foss based computer center for the visually handicap people here in India. In one of the states called karala, it has become the government policy to use foss based systems thus gnu/linux has become mandatory in every institution. well as of now we have had much trouble using orca and time and again need to switch back to emacspeak. while emacs and thus emacspeak is a great desktop at the command line it does have steep learning curve and if one has to take complete advantage of all the features in emacspeak they have to take lot of learning trouble which consumes lot of time. and then it is not a good thing to force every one to work on the command line every now and then. any ways coming to the point, I am wondering whether open office related issues have been fixt for the up coming version of orca and ubuntu? the main problems were responsiveness and font/ attribute identification. I had herd from a few people that firefox with firevox plugin worked well with orca but that never happened in my case. one of my colligue did use it but after some days when he updated orca and other little things in ubuntu it stopped working. so what will be the accessibility status of firefox with ubuntu 7.04? I really want to contribute my services to the visually challenged people for accessibility in foss because our government is ready to provide computers to blind students with 90% discount and the only condition is that they will require to use foss based solutions. I have been given the responsibility to see to it that things are working fine in all institutes in my state and that's the reason I am bothering all of you with my questions. thanks and regards. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: installing the server cd
On 31/10/06, mike coulombe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, how hard is it to install the server CD. I have a computer I want to use as a server. Also is there a way to get a screen reader installed. I had the same questions too. actually having a screen reader on a server system will be just great. What I need to know is after it is installed does it come up to a point where you can type apt-get and install yasr. also emacspeak desktop for that matter? I remember Dr. T.V. Raman posted an email some where asking the ubuntu team to have emacspeak deb packages for ubuntu. Infact combining emacspeak and festival will be really very good because as of now users can't browse the internet with firefox so emacspeak with w3m may as well be the choice for surffing the web. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca need the latest instructions for orca and edgy, any link?
good documentation. I can't find the changes though. I am particularly interested in the accessibility development at the open office side. as I had mentioned previously, formatting information like bold and italics is not spoken out. has the problem been fixt? further more reading an entire document reads by line pauses not sentence pauses. I hoep most problems are fixt. I haven't got a machine yet to install ubuntu 6.10, but managed to run the live cd. could not test much as the machine obviously responded slow. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
need the latest instructions for orca and edgy, any link?
hello all, I have just got the edgy cd and now looking at some howto which I can follow. for an older unstable version of orca, I followed http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=246334 but it says that the page is obsolit and there will be a new page. now since edgy has finally been released, I will like to know if there are any updates to have orca run (not just on the live cd but on a permenent basis). I followed f5 and then 3 for accessibility. orca did not speak up. may be some sound card problem? but after I fix that problem, will this be the way to start orca? will it then run every time my system boots? or are there different sets of instructions for configuring and starting orca on an installed edgy machine? how is the installer doing now? can I use it? I am totally blind and can only depend on the speach system. thanking all. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
new to web page accessibility, want to help in coding.
hello, I have been observing a lot of emails asking about the status of firefox accessibility with orca. I have also posted on the same issue a couple of times. I will however like to mention a particular point. it seams that the complete accessibility for firefox wont appear on the desktop for about 1 year at least. so I will like to make my contribution. I have also mentioned this previously that I am a good c and python developer. I want to know how web accessibility works on a conceptual level. I will particularly like to know what approach orca is taking for web accessibility including accessibility for html forms etc. I will then like to get into the firefox accessibility. may be I will do some work from scratch or may be I will like to contribute if it will create any impact on the timeline. Krishnakant -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
very urgent! need a rite up on ubuntu's accessibility status for a conference.
hello all accessibility gurus on the list. after using ubuntu, it is for the first time that I felt like promoting gnu/linux amongst the blind community. gentelmen, you are doing a great job and I think by the end of this year november, ubuntu should be pritty accessible. I am going to speak at a national conference on software interfacing for daily computing. accessibility is a major focus of that conference and I have been invited to speak on this issue and my lecture has been put as a highlite of the conference, because I am talking on accessibility freedom of blind. as I may have mentioned we have already scheduled a nation wide campaign for promotion of ubuntu linux amongst the blind computer users. I am speaking in the conference in 3 days from now. I need some detailed information on the following points. 1. what is the current state of general accessibility of gnome desktop with orca on ubuntu? 2. will gnopernicus development absolutely stop in favour of orca? 3. how accessible will be openoffice when ubuntu 6.10 is released? 4. at the release of ubuntu 6.10, what will be the level of accessibility of firefox or any other web browser like mozila? 5. how soon will be the tutorial for orca finalised? currently there are no keyboard commands given for web surffing or for reading open office spreadsheets or word processor documents. 6. what can organisations do to become a part of orca development and feature enhancement with respect to gnome accessibility? 7. what knowledge is expected to work on gnome accessibility and the orca source code? Please give me some very detailed information on these issues it is very urgent! I hope henrik as usual will be up with good info so will be mike and the rest. thanks in advance. Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
accessibility packages in ubuntu for emacspeak don't work at all!
hello, I am trying to install emacs and emacspeak on my ubuntu 6.06 system. I downloaded all the needed packages (or some one kindly list them all for me). but all packages show some time stamp and then gives erros. can any one tell me what is the problem? Krishnakant -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Very important question,still can't get openoffice work with orca
hello henrik and other developres of this list. this is probably the 4th time I am pointing this problem about openoffice. I can't get the fonts attribute read out in openoffice word processor and can't know what attributes or alignment I have changed/ set. what is the problem. am I doing some thing wrong? is it a known bug and in the process of being fixt? I also tried burning cd with the cd burning program that starts when I put a blank cd in my rw. but orca did not read it. what could be this problem.I may be stupid since I am asking this. but I did not get response on my previous email about openoffice problems. and yes one problem I pointed out was that after pressing num pad plus for reading a document, the speech breaks at lines rather than centences. again is this a known bug? Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
query on accessibility of KDE with orca
hi henrik and other brillient people on the list. I want to know what is the current status of KDE accessibility API. I browsed the accessibility page for KDE but could not get any relevant information. I had already posted henric on this issue. this is a bit urgent because I am doing a presentation as I mentioned some time ago, for accessibility on a nation wide base. it will be done on Monday, 18th of september. I want to know if there is accessibility api built in with the KDE desktop. I heard that AT-SPI/ATK is being ported to k desktop. how well can this work? how easy it is currently to build a screen reader for KDE? and how is oarca shaping up in this context? what is the current status on that?? I often read a lot of accessibility talk on the qt web site. I am basically a gnome user so don't quite know the insides of KDE. but I have the impression that KDE is built using qt? is that right? if so then how much accessibility will be available if QT becomes accessible. Please provide me some details as it will help me make visually handicap community understand that there is no fear in using linux and more so ubuntu linux because it is leading as far as desktop convinience and comfort of use is concerned. secondly we are planning to start a screen reader project for kde and will like to merge it with kubuntu. so please provide some details. thanks, Krishnakant. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
