[Bug 527458] FWD:
Hey! http://www.rotomod.net/_2014.fulfillment.of.desires_.html?amulixaci358654 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 Title: please include status messages/tooltips To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/527458/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 413457] Re: Changing volume resets balance
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 532095 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532095 Also, pressing Fn + VolumeUp does not reset balance, so looks like it is a problem with Volume Applet 2.30.0 -- Changing volume resets balance https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413457 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 413457] Re: Changing volume resets balance
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 532095 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532095 FYI: This same behaviour is happing in Arch Linux with Pulseaudio 2.30.0-2 The duplicate behaviour does not happen (volume does not change when balance is changed). When I have the balance not set to centre, and I scroll the sound icon to change volume, the balance resets to centre. -- Changing volume resets balance https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413457 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 413457] Re: Changing volume resets balance
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 532095 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/532095 Apologies the pulseaudio version is pulseaudio 0.9.21-8. gnome-media is 2.30.0-2 -- Changing volume resets balance https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/413457 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
I can see from Mark's view that there needs to be an alternative to tooltips on tablets. However, at the moment such devices are 'toys'. In comparison to traditional laptops/desktops they are not as good for getting work done (depending on the work). This will probably change as they mature many years down the track, and you never know - getting work done may end up being more productive on a tablet, and who knows, games might evolve to become more enjoyable on tablets. The world of tablets may be the end of tooltips. But this is the present, and most people use desktops/laptops for work (and will for quite some time). A separate release for tablets could safely remove tooltips, but they serve an important role in desktop/laptop environments. I can also see that to develop a tablet version of Ubuntu will be tricky because of the small userbase - perhaps that is why some 'experiments' are appearing in desktop versions of Ubuntu? This post is obviously a stab in the dark, but none of Mark's posts have provided any solid justification for removing tooltips. Guessing there may be a hidden agenda there :) -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
That also may explain the spacing in the indicator applets (room for finger touch). I guess we have to be happy with alternative applets - for upload/download speeds you can use netspeed applet. There are also alternative battery applets out there, and the gnome-volume-control- applet provides tooltips (although a bit ugly - but if you can relink the icons in your theme directory and rebuild icon cache). -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
I don't have a monopoly on right - you do. Were there any bugs similar to this one before Lucid with the opposite goal - remove tooltips? I think not :) I can't claim to know absolute truth on the matter - that's no excuse for poor design choices, especially given the feedback from the community on the matter - that's what Launchpad is for, right? we've taken a view, and want to stick with that. - We? or you? I'm guessing that the only people that agree with you on this are those that don't want to rock the boat. The few people that dislike tooltips can disable them globally with the aid of a search engine. a messy interface, irksomeness - it has been said here many times: menus were not designed to convey contextual information! Having tooltips in some parts of the desktop but not others leads to an inconsistent interface (it feels broken). justification for the language used - all language serves a purpose. Movie directors (and responsible adults) purposely and willingly utilise such language to convey strong messages. There aren't many 3-year-olds that have directed movies! The Indicator applet would be excellent if it had tooltips; it is a good idea of yours, but it is plagued by a few ill-thought-out design decisions. If we are wrong, we'll fix it later Please make it better soon - too much pie eating will make Ubuntu overweight and bloated ;) -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
And what is with the faulty design guidelines: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CustomStatusMenuDesignGuidelines#What%20about%20tooltips? The first sentence is incorrect: Like other menus, status menus do not have tooltips. ...other menus in Gnome Panel do not have tooltips? Hmm... could have fooled me :) Is there anyone here that can fix the Design Guidelines to allow for tooltips? How do we go about fixing this? Maybe we should start another bug... -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
Perhaps the design guidelines could go along the lines of: Menus with text don't need tooltips. Menus with icons need tooltips. This is the behaviour of clickable 'things' in applications which are represented by either text or icons. (It might be helpful to assume that novice users don't initially recognise icons without text as menus.) -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
The key issues related to the original request have not been addressed yet: 1. Tooltips provide novice users a way of identifying things. Not everyone will be able to identify the icon for _every_ application that uses the Indicator applet - the mockup on Mark Shuttleworth's homepage is a good example. 2. New users will think the Indicator Applet is broken if there are no tooltips because everything else has tooltips. Some novices will not click on an icon if they don't know what it does. 3. Tooltips do not take the focus away from your work and they provide useful information. 4. The argument that this bug will not be fixed. Good people that can realise their mistakes have the power to take corrective action. If it were a security risk, it is fairly likely that an update would be released :) The answer to all of us not having tooltips is in post #96. From what I gather, Mark developed an application which had a tooltip that he was ashamed of. Because of this, we all now have to live without tooltips for our battery/sound/etc. I'm willing to stand corrected :) -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: [Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
My momdad have a lot of troubles to understand difference between left click, right click double click. When I guide them over the phone to fix something i always tell them the OTHER click to get their attention to do right click. You will now have to describe the icon to click on (assuming that you are guiding them to an icon they are not familiar with). Previously, tooltips provided a way of identifying the item you wanted them to click on. Now it is more like - click on everything until you find x. Or, click in the (describe where the indicator applet is) and move your mouse around until you find x. Also my mom does double-click on everything to make sure it always works cause she doesn't understand that on the desktop icons she needs to double click, in the web single click, in skype mostly single click, but to call in skype double click. How does this fit in with the original request for bringing back tooltips? It is confusing. About tooltips - they cover information. And it's hard to see which item exatly tooltip belongs to. and tooltips cover other icons as well making you miss information again! Yes, they temporarily cover information with the information you want. I think you're wrongly assuming that users are dissatisfied when they accidentally put their mouse over the Indicator Applet. If this is the case, is there evidence to show that taking tooltips away is the best way of dealing with this? A new user would move their mouse over the Firefox icon and then know what the icon is for. They then know that they can get useful information if they move their mouse over things. Until they discover the Indicator applet. It has been marked as won't fix so please stop suggesting readding tooltips or providing solutions which go against current AppIndicator spec. Does that mean it's impossible to change to will fix etc.? (Sorry if I'm missing something, I'm newish to lp) Currently we are trying to identify missing information, whether it is important and how to represent it in the new desktop design. Good luck with your research, you might want to search Google Scholar for something similar to usability tooltips (without quotes). Quote from second result and searching the document for tooltip: We heard general comments about icons and tooltips that included the following: The icons are not immediately obvious (P2) Some of the icons could be more helpful. Icons that work well are really simple. (P4) The icons are not clear. (P6) The tooltips make no sense. (P7) So, users DO use tooltips to identify things (although in this OLD study tooltips at the time did not have useful information). If research is old, you will have to determine what bits are relevant. -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
Another quote from Gnome Usability Study: ( http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report.pdf ) Two participants missed the ability to click on the GNOME foot icon, one because there was no tooltip when he moused over it and another because he missed the small arrow indicating the foot was a menu. Please do some research before blindly turning off features new users heavily rely on (and existing users find useful), it's not hard. -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
#124: Thanks for the link, but I don't think the owner of that blog is active in that post anymore :/ Shameless plug: You can find a battery panel applet (with tool-tips!) here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478618 -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
@om26er, As an interesting experiment, would you be able to ask your neighbour in a friendly manner if they miss any of information in the tooltips? Just because they haven't mentioned it yet, doesn't mean it doesn't bother them. Perhaps they are prioritising the 'other problems' you mentioned they were having with Lucid. Also, is it possible that they don't use the applications that many of us here use (e.g., Rhythmbox, LottaNZB, Transmission, Battery applet, etc.)? I too signed up to this not just because of the missing tooltips, but the fact that such a (IMO poor) decision could be made without consent of the masses. I think it is wrong to take functionality away assuming that the entire population either does not use it or will get over it. Surely you must agree that not being able to configure something totally goes against being Linux. I think the indicator applet will be good eventually, but not until it is configurable so we can enable the tooltips and perhaps change the spacing. -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 527458] Re: please include status messages/tooltips
Please bring back tool-tips asap :) It's never too late! (indicator-applet update?) I agree with all posts above, removing tool-tips in the Indicator applet is a pain and introduces many more inconsistencies as mentioned above (there are tool-tips on everything else - including 'Applications'). Although Mark you have stated it's too late, it's still interesting to see how many people disagree with the loss of functionality so much that they have taken the time to write here. +1 for keeping this bug open and creating a fix in the form of a package update :) -- please include status messages/tooltips https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/527458 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 95078] Re: Firefox eats 100% of CPU when opens a spreadsheet in google's documents and spreadsheets
Getting the same as described above on Firefox 3.5.7, causing the system [P8700 @ 2.53 GHz 2gb ram] to almost come to a standstill. Googled the problem and this was the first result, so it may be good to reopen this bug. -- Firefox eats 100% of CPU when opens a spreadsheet in google's documents and spreadsheets https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/95078 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
