[Bug 157988] no official Swedish time server mentioned in list of available time servers in "settings for time and date" setup

2007-10-28 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

this report is (probably) for either the ntp or the ntpdate package (since
those are the only two ntp related packages installed on my system).
this problem has been around for several iterations of ubuntu and is
still present in the Gutsy incarnation.

when using "settings for time and date" (Swedish: "Inställningar för tid och 
datum")
setup in the control panel. There is only one Swedish entry present, and any 
single
one of our official servers. The official servers are well funded as our 
government
firmly believes that it is a fundamental part of a modern it infrastructure and 
a
modern society.

The Swedish government is running, a network of time servers strategically 
placed
at larger network nodes in our country, so it would make very much sense for any
Swedish user to connect to the closest (network wise) server of those.

In Stockholm we have:

ntp1.sth.netnod.se
ntp2.sth.netnod.se

In Gothenburg:

ntp1.gbg.netnod.se
ntp2.gbg.netnod.se

Malmö:

ntp1.mmo.netnod.se
ntp2.mmo.netnod.se 

For those who are anxious to get right to the source of the official
Swedish time, they can connect to Statens Provnings och Forsknings-
institut (SP Technical Research Institute of Sweden). They are
running the official Swedish time keeping facilities in Borås.

ntp1.sp.se
ntp2.sp.se
ntp3.sp.se

With the above mentioned list, all Swedish (and probably many
foreign users) would be able to connect to a set of well managed
stratum 1 servers.

time1.stupi.se is of course Swedish but it is run by a private company,
that (at least) have had problems with one of the larger Swedish ISP:s
which made them less than eager to help requests from that ISP.
Therefore it is important to provide alternatives that can be used by
all Swedish citizens with good result. For historical reasons, it may
still make sense to keep the server at stupi.se, they where in fact
first with providing this kind of service in Sweden and they have
invested both time and money in this for years so they ought to
get credit for their efforts.

** Affects: ubuntu
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 157988] Re: no official Swedish time server mentioned in list of available time servers in "settings for time and date" setup

2007-10-28 Thread Roland Ronquist
This is not a bug in the sense that some computer interpreted
instructions are wrong, but it still leads end users astray when
they try to use ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu for fun and profit.

By having at least some of the official servers listed we would
be able to provide a better end user experience.

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[Bug 152126] Re: package findutils 4.2.31-1 fa iled to install/upgrade: tentative de remplacement de « /usr/bin/locate », qui appartient aussi au p aquet slocate

2007-10-12 Thread Roland Ronquist
I have a similar problem that has buggered me for the last few weeks
which I have now investigated a little bit more:

ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop, and xubuntu-desktop all depends on
slocate.

ubuntu-minimal is depending on findutils.

as a normal user probably likes to have one of the above mentioned
desktop packages installed, they are flagged for slocate regardless
of the fact that ubuntu-minimal, which is required to make a bootable
system in a clean ubuntu fashion, rather uses findutils.

It may well be that I may be able to uninstall findutils without any
problems, but as I am using my Gutsy system as my main computer
I do not want to try.

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[Bug 133422] Re: After update display is shifted to the left

2007-09-21 Thread Roland Ronquist
As far as the description goes, this is probably not a bug.
Different operating systems, video adapters, and video
drivers all comes with their unique set of timing caracteristics.

To releive end users from constantly having to fiddle the
controls of their video monitors, the leading manufacturers
has been trying to sell us monitors with automatic control.
Unfortunately this is rarely 100% automatic so most people
will sometimes, when upgrading or when changing video
settings, have to go into the menus for controlling their
video monitor.

So if you if you go into the monitor menu on your video
screen you will have plenty of oportunity to adjust your
screen to suit even the latest update of your desktop.
In fact, there may even be a "auto" button or menu item :-)

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[Bug 140010] Re: cursor disappears frequently in latest Gutsy build

2007-09-21 Thread Roland Ronquist
i have upgraded my system a few times and now i am not
able to reproduce this problem again.

neither with or without kvm.

i will get back _if_ things turn fishy again 8-)

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[Bug 138204] Re: ltsp-build-client and ltsp-update-image fails if inetd.conf is not cleared

2007-09-20 Thread Roland Ronquist
sorry for not reporting back in time, it do work now without editing the
inetd.conf.

BTW are things supposed to work with xinetd as well?

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[Bug 140010] Re: cursor disappears frequently in latest Gutsy build

2007-09-17 Thread Roland Ronquist
thank you Scott for your suggestions regarding LDM. Actually I have submitted 
logfiles
and error messages for this problem in another bug report; unfortunately I am 
not
friendly enough with the launchpad to figure out where, at least it is nowhere 
to be
seen on my page with bugs that i have reported upon right now. As I am not 
feeling
well and since this day will turn out very busy, I will not be able to figure 
out where
until tonight.

Anyway, from the helpful comments and suggestions from Oliver on that case,
I figured that there was not much I could do beside setting up a development
environment and start figuring out what was happening myself; which could
be a splendid idea ;-)

So, yes, there should be reports and information on that case somewhere deep
inside the stomach of Launchpad and I am to tired to figure out where right now.

Sorry for the low information density provided in this message, thank you all
for your dedicated work and the splendid software that makes (at least) my
world work a little bit better.

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[Bug 140010] Re: cursor disappears frequently in latest Gutsy build

2007-09-17 Thread Roland Ronquist
i have tried ldm with several of my thin clients with no luck, with Gutsy,
ldm on feisty worked like charm :-)

i shall try to run more without kvm and report back, but beware:
as the computers are more or less unused while I am out working,
they may be "behind" screen saver all day. my personal theory is
that this problem happens either around when the screensaver
kicks in or when the screen gets put into power save mode.
during weekdays that will only happen a few times every day,
during weekends it will happen all the time.

so is there anybody brave or knowledgeable enough to have any
suggestion on some tests that i can do to find information needed
for turning this into something that can be used to improve the
quality of both xorg and ubuntu?

Keep on with the good work and thank you all for your suggestions
and input.

R.R.

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[Bug 140010] Re: cursor disappears frequently in latest Gutsy build

2007-09-17 Thread Roland Ronquist
to clarify upon what i said above:

when i first run into this problem on the 22th (saturday),
i had my screensaver configured to take over after
4 minutes of inactivity. after increasing this time to
10 minutes, the frequency of the problem decreased
drastically.

R.R.

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[Bug 140010] Re: cursor disappears frequently in latest Gutsy build

2007-09-17 Thread Roland Ronquist
two questions and accordingly two answers:

1. i have tried running without kvm during this day with the screen saver 
active all day since i have not been home,
and no, i could not reproduce. but i do think this case is similar to when 
running the kvm without switching
like i did above with disappearing cursor 3 times during two days usage.

2. the lts.conf is enclosed, is there anything else i can do to help you
better figure out whatever problem we may have?


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[Bug 131983] Re: [gutsy] trackerd kills disk io

2007-09-17 Thread Roland Ronquist
regardless if you run out of batteries or not, it is, at least in most cases,
stupid to let a background daemon take most of the computers internal
bandwidth. I am running this on my desktop machine and it is almost
useless for several hours after logging into the system. As I sure am
a geek and I know how to kick my way around my system with a few
well deserved kill commands this is certainly not a big issue for me.
But for any of those ordinary people that Ubuntu is supposed to serve,
this is a big put of.

hence this should not be considered a laptop only issue but a
general usability issue for ubuntu regardless if you are running
it in a server room, on a desktop or on the go.

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[Bug 130817] Re: trackerd eating CPU and memory

2007-09-16 Thread Roland Ronquist
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 132320 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/132320

no matter if it is beneficial or not having this trackerd track down every 
single
bit in every file fast or not, it is definitely not good for anybody if your 
systems
feels like you have upgraded to an 1 MHz 6502 CPU instead of that multi
GHz monster that is actually juggling all your computrons.

On top of that, not everybody has their systems designed for extended
period extreme CPU-loads. That can become a cooling disaster regardless
if you are on batteries or not.

if we want to stay competitive with other systems, we must provide an
user experience where the system is responsive for interactive use,
and then it is very much counter productive having daemons munching
up every last cycle.

on my computer the trackerd blasts on at full cpu load for hours.
having a work tool that is not ready or usable for any work until it
is time for the user to go home is not clever :-(

btw has anybody heard about the efforts of reducing the over all power
consumption of the computers on this planet? that effort has obviously 
not been part of the design considerations of this greedy little power-tool.

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[Bug 140008] Re: Uncomfortable keybinding in synaptic

2007-09-16 Thread Roland Ronquist
the best solution would be an inconsistent solution:

If and only if the user had selected any text, copy that text,
if no text is selected, pretend it is a normal console app and abort.

This will not cater for those cases when the user stumbles on
their mouse and accidentally select some random characters
and then decides that it is time to abort the current step.
But in most cases this will work as the user expects things
to do.

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[Bug 82273] Re: desktop gets stuck when logging out

2007-09-16 Thread Roland Ronquist
no Feisty fixed this issue for me.

as I now run Gutsy, I have got myself a brand new set of problems 8-)

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[Bug 140010] cursor disappears frequently in latest Gutsy build

2007-09-16 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

after doing the latest upgrade (to v 5.0.30 of ltsp-client)
I have been forced to reboot my primary workstation
(a hp 5x00 running ltsp) due to the fact that when I
leave the terminal the cursor disappears without comming
back when I start moving about with the mouse.

Since I am running usb keyboard and mice through a kvm-
switch I have observed that the problem seems easier
to reproduce if I switch to another computer long enough
for the screen saver to kick in (blank screen, nothing
fancy) and then switch back to the ltsp client box.
But 2 - 3 times the cursor has gone missing without any
kvm activity at all.

If there anything in particular that you need to better
find the problem, please do not hesitate to ask me.

I am running a nbdroot setup which I frequently upgrade with
the following sequence of commands:

--8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 bash -l
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
exit
ltsp-update-image
ltsp-update-kernels
--8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---8<---

and, yes, I am still using the startx option since I have yet
to get anything useful done with ldm since I upgraded to
gutsy.

** Affects: ltsp (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: New

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[Bug 65010] Re: Xubuntu desktop manager not LTSP aware

2007-09-10 Thread Roland Ronquist
some aditional info:

as I am playing about with Gutsy, it seems like XFCE has started
to be a little bit more LTSP aware:

1. I still get all those confusing options, but now it begs me
for authentication (password) before it starts shutting down things.

2. I do not know if it wants password if I am sitting at the console.

3. I am still not convinced that all users really want or need this
wide range of choices for a plain log-out request. Especially
not considered the fact that Xubuntu is meant for non geeks.

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[Bug 138200] Re: ltsp ldm does not start properly

2007-09-10 Thread Roland Ronquist
As you might have already seen from my eager writings on defect #138089,
I do use "ltsp-build-client" from a clean startingpoint.

The interesting thing is that since I now use the CONFIGURE_X=True configuration
as you kindly suggested for #138089, I am not getting the error messages stated
above any more.

Thanks for mentioning the documentation for ltsp without nfs.

So I have 4 question:

1. will it help you in any way if I use the CONFIGURE_X=False and send you
the messages from running that?

2. is there anything that I did not mention in my latest postings on #138089
that could help you figuring out what is going wrong.

3. could this be something hardware related? I am doing most of my testing
on an Hp 5x00 something with a Crusoe inside, but we have other thin machines
as well. As far as I can understand this particular Hp is very popular/common
both among professional users and on the hobbyist scene.

4. is there anything I can do to increase debug output from ldm? or anything
that you need to better understand what is going bad.

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[Bug 138089] Re: ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-10 Thread Roland Ronquist
sorry for spamming you all, but if this is not clear from my abundant
reports above:

1. following the advice of Oliver G. above for setting the variable 
CONFIGURE_X=True
manually works.

2. the default value for CONFIGURE_X in lts.conf created by ltsp-build-client 
is still
CONFIGURE_X=False

And to all you LTSP hackers out there:

Do not forget being at least a little bit proud about this charming little 
package
of yours, even if I am complaining about various bits and pieces, this brave new
version without NFS really improves boot performance!

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[Bug 138089] Re: ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-10 Thread Roland Ronquist
regardless the quality of any defect report, it is pretty much useless if you 
can not
track down which version/configuration that was used when finding the error.

As I have not figured out any better way of providing a complete report of the
system status regarding various packages, I hereby enclose a log file from
dpkg after successfully updating my chroot environment using ltsp-build-client.


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[Bug 138089] Re: ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-10 Thread Roland Ronquist
Yes, I know, my previous post was not 100% related to the error report
at hand.

So here I enclose the dmesg output from using startx instead 8-)
Even if the session did start successfully I still get loads of interesting 
messages
about various USB devices that should not really excite anybody.


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[Bug 138089] Re: ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-10 Thread Roland Ronquist
since I got the message of using CONFIGURE_X=True I finally to the plunge and 
went
looking for some problems again.

So I did the following steps:

1. removed my /opt/ltsp/i386 tree
2. ran ltsp-build-client (which of course had a few things to complain about 
already
having nbdroot configured in inetd.conf)
3. removed the offending line from inetd.conf
4. ran ltsp-update-image and ltsp-update-kernels (better safe than sorry)
5. /etc/init.d/openbsd-inetd restart
6. connect with thin client using startx, and, yes, IT WORKS!

but only because I am evil/curious I also tried using ldm once, since Oliver
kindly shared a few grains of wisdom regarding the inner workings of the
CONFIGURE_X option above and I had a slight feeling that since nothing
graphical had ever appeared so far when using ldm and gutsy on any
of our thinner machines here, that using said option would make ldm
happier. Even if ldm did not produce any errors, as far as I could find,
it still did not start X.

For those of you lacking better reading material, I enclose the dmesg
output from my thin client of choice, while running ldm.



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[Bug 37350] Re: Pressing power button unlocks locked screensaver

2007-09-10 Thread Roland Ronquist
still, if somebody for administrative reasons, needs to shut down a computer,
reasons ranging from planned power interruptions to office relocations,
it still is nice being able to let somebody shut down the computer in
an orderly fashion.

Hence, the problem was not that a shutdown option was presented
when pressing the power button, the problem was that flicking the
power switch could give somebody full access to the locked
desktop.

It may be that I grew up when power buttons actually had
something to do with the power supply of the device at hand,
but Ubuntu is for "ordinary people" and many such people
still think that the reason for the power switch is switching
the power in a similar way as their light switch is working.

To cater for this conservative mindset, a good workaround
would be skipping the questions about if logout etc and instead
present a simple shutdown yes/no question. OK, that adds
complexity compared to silently bring the machine to a halt,
but it may still save some trouble when the button is pressed
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Re: [Bug 138089] Re: ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist
Oliver Grawert wrote:
> did you notice the CONFIGURE_X=False ? ;)
>   
Well frankly, I did not have the slightest clue about
what did option actually did do, but as it was configured
this way when I had done my "ltsp-build-client" I did
not touch it.

Why not have a REALLY_SAFE_MODE=True which
refuses to both the client at all :-)

Best,
R.R.

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Re: [Bug 138089] Re: ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist
Oliver Grawert wrote:
> did you notice the CONFIGURE_X=False ? ;)
> drop that and X will be configured ...
> sorry, thats my fault, we worked initially with the self configuring feature 
> of Xorg and omitted the configuration file, thats a leftover in the default 
> file that has to go.
>   
I may even be able to get my ldm working, even if the latest
incarnation has started to produce tons of error messages
about my sound system and whatnot.

Best,
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[Bug 65010] Re: Xubuntu desktop manager not LTSP aware

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist
Hi Jani,

no I am not running kiosk mode, I am running a small office.
But since I found this bug report while looking for something
else I figured that somebody might be interested in some information 8-)

Anyway, when running either gnome or kde, without any
special config, they both figure out that they are running
out of a thin client and refuses to provide options that could
close down the server for the whole network. With xubuntu
it is a different game, any user can shut down the server.
Since we do not have anybody evil (or stupid) enough to
shut down our server in a bad way around my place that
is not a problem for me, but still it irritates me a little bit
every time I log out, to have this abundance of options to
chose from when I only want to log out.

A slightly unrelated idea for a new feature is having shutdown
and reboot buttons that works on the client after you log out.
Now you will have to wait for the log out to be accomplished
before you can switch of your terminal.

So I did not write my previous message because of
personal problems but rather because that  Jérôme
asked for some more input.

BTW, since xfce seems to be quite easy to configure,
I doubt it would be a great trouble for a manager of
a kiosk setup to disable the "evil" logout options.
Though I have not tried setting up this particular thing
so I may be wrong, at least there are settings in
the control panel ("sessions and startup") for this
purpose and there should be config files for the
same features as well.

Best,
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[Bug 138204] ltsp-build-client and ltsp-update-image fails if inetd.conf is not cleared

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

When I run ltsp-build-client or ltsp-update-image, both fails if
the nbdrootd line for port 2000 is not removed.

This is not a big showstopper for me since quick jab with emacs
will help me around it, but I can imagine teachers without
much unix experience not knowing anything about neither
inetd or how to configure the same.

And yes, I am running the plain vanilla inetd that comes
standard with *buntu, no xinetd or anything fancy.
Well according to /etc/init.d it is actually from openbsd.
It may be a good thing updating inetd, but beware,
when running thin clients we do expect user to have
complex needs and many may not be served well
with the stock inetd package and I would rather see
that the tools create images and things like the name
implies rather then messing with config files that should
be left to the system manager to handle.

Though I had other problems earlier, I did not run into
this particular issue until running an upgrade yesterday.

Best,
R.R.

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[Bug 138200] ltsp ldm does not start properly

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: ltsp-client

this may be related to #138089

when I first updated to Gutsy a few days back the ldm did not
manage to go from text mode to graphical mode on any of our
clients. Since I did not get many messages out of the process
of starting ldm I chose the xdmcp way instead.

But when I tried ldm again yesterday, it was much more
in a talkative mode, so I figured that somebody might be
interested and up to the task of grok the messages:

---8<8<8<8<8<8<8<8<8<8<
W: module-detect.c: failed to detect any sound hardware
E: module.c: failed to load module "module-detect" (argument: "") : 
initialization failed.
E: main.c: Module load failed.
E: main.c: failed to initialize daemon.
---8<8<8<8<8<8<8<8<8<8<

Unfortunately nothing ended up in my server log files as I look things
over now. If that is because the client is not logging as it should or
because the server refuses to listen is not known to me. Though
it usually did listen when I was running feisty, but now I just recently
upgraded and things are still to be all clean and nice.

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[Bug 138200] Re: ltsp ldm does not start properly

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist

** Attachment added: "my lts.conf that tells all 8-)"
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[Bug 107526] Re: rebooting ltsp server leaves client stuck

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist
out of pure evilness, I found out that most of the times (in my environment)
the clients survived a server reboot as long as they where at the login prompt. 
I know this may not be 100% expected and that this neither may be the
intended way of doing things.

Best,
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[Bug 65010] Re: Xubuntu desktop manager not LTSP aware

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist
neither edgy, feisty, nor gutsy recognices that you are running a remote 
session.
I can only imagine the horrors of a teacher running xubuntu at school.

with responsible and educated users this is a non issue, but well, the name
edubuntu tells something about some education that needs to be done 8-)

Best,
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[Bug 67366] Re: LDM does not warn when a user is already logged in

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist
Oliver is perfectly right about the gdm, due to my present problems with
using ldm I am very much up to date on how to setup gdm 8-)

Best,
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[Bug 138089] Re: ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-08 Thread Roland Ronquist

Well, to be able to use the startx option I actually have to edit
my lts.conf, otherwise I would never have come to the point
where the starting of X.org fails because there is no valid
configuration. Accordingly, I am enclosing my config file.

Another point of interest, is that if I do log on manually,
or using one of the shells opened by statements like:
'SCREEN_02=shell', then I can run configure-x.sh manually
before running the startx script and everything works
like charm. That is why I concluded that I needed a little
bit of configure-x.sh in my screen_session since that is
where all vt:s get initialized.

All the best and keep up with the good work,
R.R.

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[Bug 138089] Re: ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-07 Thread Roland Ronquist
Sorry guys, credit should be given where it is due:

James A. McQuillan seems to be the author of this
smashing little script.

Anyhow I added the following lines:

# Configure X.org
. /usr/lib/ltsp/configure-x.sh

so that the X.org gets configured before anything
tries to start any X-server.

Best,
R.

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[Bug 138089] ltsp startx option does not work since X.org is not configured

2007-09-07 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: ltsp-client

as I have problems logging in through ldm since it does not start X.org,
I tried configure 

SCREEN_07=startx

in my lts.conf

Unfortunately the startx command got run without anything trying to
configure X.org this time either. So I am still not getting anywhere
near logging in to my server.

But as everybody (Scott Balneaves, Oliver Grawert, or any other
brave developers that has given us this fantastic LTSP package)
seems to be busy creating new and interesting features, I figured
that I rather needed a fix than waiting for the brave new world to
happen eventually. Hence I fixed the bug myself, maybe not in
a way consistent with your over all plan, but it works for me.
Keep up with the good work!

/R.R.

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Re: [Bug 137461] Re: xdmcp does not work due to syntax error in shell script

2007-09-07 Thread Roland Ronquist
Dear Olivier,

as I am a very happy end user of the result of your effort making
LTSP a viable option for everyday usage, I have taken the step
upgrading to gutsy. If you need help in testing things I am more than
willing, but, as per how things are right now, ltsp is in an unusable
state on our machines right now. So I may need some guidance.

ldm is not working with my hardware and startx is not configuring
x before trying to start the same so that option is also a no-no.

To make things clear: I am not complaining, since I can use feisty
and have a usable environment. But if you need help, I am willing
to jump in, but I am confused on where to start.

All the best,
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[Bug 137461] xdmcp does not work due to syntax error in shell script

2007-09-05 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

in the source package file:

ltsp-5.0.25/client/screen.d/startx

or if you rather look in your installed package:

/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/screen.d/startx

on line 59 there is an if-statement lacking the actual token "if"
add "if" and things will work much better.

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 Status: New

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[Bug 137461] Re: xdmcp does not work due to syntax error in shell script

2007-09-05 Thread Roland Ronquist
my changed file with the extra "if " added.

** Attachment added: "startx"
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[Bug 73897] Re: the swedish keyboard layout does not work as printed on the physical keyboard

2007-05-07 Thread Roland Ronquist
well, as I am now running Feisty on 3 machines, all with Swedish keyboard 
selected,
I can now tell that my brother is right: it finally works!

The keyboard works as described both when using X11 and the console interface.
No need for configuring "Finnish" any more :-)

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Re: [Bug 54122] Re: install CD does not boot on tray loading rev-a imac 233MHz

2007-04-03 Thread Roland Ronquist
Roland Ronquist wrote:
> Timothy Smith wrote:
>> Can someone test this under a Feisty build so we can see if this bug
>> still exists?
>>
>> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/feisty/herd-5/
>>
>
> I will test it this weekend; must burn a cd and dig out
> the bl*sting machine to test on :-)
Well, I ran into several problems which may not only be due
to the nature of Feisty. My first generation iMac has 160 MB
of RAM which may be on the narrow end of the scale. It also
happens to have an 80 GB disc which on the other hand
probably is on the larger end.

1. the live CD will not both into "live mode", you will see
the splash screens jump by for a long time but then nothing
happens. I have not tried all alternatives at the boot prompt,
but I can not figure out why something labeled "powerpc64"
would work so those alternatives has not been tested.

2. the alternate cd works much better. For some strange
reason it will not get the ip-address by DHCP, if that means
that networking is not working or if it is only something minor
I do not know.

Regardless if I chose Swedish (my native language) or English
the installation runs smoth until it is time to boot from the hard
drive. Either it is some partitioning problem regarded to open
firmware, or something is not working as it should.
Allthough I have used boot programs from a large set of hardware
vendors since the early 1980s, I do not feel at home in the Apple
version. Not that it is worse than anything else, but still it is
appalling that a manufacturer with such a high self esteem
regarding user friendliness is unable to come up with something
where you at least can list the possible boot-devices.

So if anybody, better suited to configure mac:s can tell me what
to do I will test whatever is suggested to me; otherwise I would
suggest that this is not working.

Regards,
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Re: [Bug 54122] Re: install CD does not boot on tray loading rev-a imac 233MHz

2007-03-22 Thread Roland Ronquist
Timothy Smith wrote:
> Can someone test this under a Feisty build so we can see if this bug
> still exists?
> 
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/feisty/herd-5/
> 

I will test it this weekend; must burn a cd and dig out
the bl*sting machine to test on :-)

Best,
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[Bug 10979] Re: unzip does not support UTF-8 filenames

2007-02-02 Thread Roland Ronquist
As far as I can see the bug is still there, and zip is showing the exact
same behaviour as unzip so maybe we should file yet another bug or stick
to killing 2 birds with one stone.

Maybe even a better suggestion is to go through all
packages and figure out what is needed for UTF-8
compatibility since this none-awareness of UTF-8
is not only displayed by simple command line utilities
(like zip and unzip) but also by user oriented packages
like Abiword.

Everything may seem to work as long as you never
ever exchange files with someone on a different
character encoding (has anyone heard of Microsoft
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[Bug 73897] Re: the swedish keyboard layout does not work as printed on the physical keyboard

2007-01-30 Thread Roland Ronquist
My brother installed Feisty and he got no problems
with his keyboard, but I am not sure if he selected
Swedish or if he autodetected the keyboard.
In the later case you will end up with "Finnish".

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[Bug 73897] Re: the swedish keyboard layout does not work as printed on the physical keyboard

2007-01-30 Thread Roland Ronquist
For your information, IBM says this about the Swedish and
Finnish keyboards that they have been selling for ages:


http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/KBD285.jsp
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/KBD153.jsp

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[Bug 35611] Re: Installer detects Finnish keyboard instead of Swedish

2007-01-30 Thread Roland Ronquist
Having Ubuntu autodetect the "Finnish" layout when
using a Swedish keyboard may be good if you consider
the Finnish origin of Linux.

On the other hand, Linus Torvalds himself is speaking
Swedish as his mother tounge and there are twice
as many people speaking Swedish as those who
speak Finnish. Hence it is most likely that the user
who wants his Swedish/Finnish keyboard autodetected
also is speaking Swedish rather than Finnish.

>From a technical perspective it would not only make
sense but also make life easier if we merged the
two layouts into one and explained the reason for
the end user whenever the keyboard layout issue
is configured or displayed.

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[Bug 15104] Re: Keyboard layout problems

2007-01-30 Thread Roland Ronquist
Modern Linux distros, like Ubuntu, tend to prefer UTF-8 character
endcoding and legacy operating systems like Windows and Palm OS tend to
go for ISO 8859-1 character encoding when using a Swedish locale.

Some Ubuntu applications convert well (Open Office.Org, and some usually do 
not, like Abi Word). Unfortunately this is not a keyboard problem. Otherwise it 
would be an easy fix changing
the layout file. Unfortunately there are many applications to be tested for 
character encoding awareness and conversion.

Regarding the comment above on the Finnish layout:
the keyboards shipped to both Sweden and Finnland do
share the exact same physical layout and when using
Windows, the keyboard driver works the same as well.
Unfortunately, Linux distros has not usually picked this
up and they comonly provide 2 different layouts for,
respectively, Finnland and Sweden where the later
variant usually do not support any easy way for entering
common UNIX control characters like | and \ which
makes life at the command prompt painfull when doing
things in Swedish.

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[Bug 35611] Re: Installer detects Finnish keyboard instead of Swedish

2007-01-30 Thread Roland Ronquist
Well physically, Swedish and Finnish keyboards are exactly the same. Many 
vendors do label their keyboards for the Swedish market as "Swe/Fi", 
"Swedish/Finnish" or something similar. Other do have different labels even 
though the actual keyboards do not
differ.

Look at IBM for instance, a well reputed hardware vendor:

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/KBD285.jsp
http://www-306.ibm.com/software/globalization/topics/keyboards/KBD153.jsp

Actually Swedish is one of the official languages of Finnland
and Sweden and Finnland have historical bonds that may
not remind all of a happy past but that still may make sense
for keeping the same physical layout for those two countries.
And since many memories are quite bad having two names
also is a sensible solution, even if it stirs up confusion for
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[Bug 82273] desktop gets stuck when logging out

2007-01-30 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

Well I get a crash report from the xfce4-panel but, actually
my thin client locks up; mouse pointer gets stuck, keyboard
does not work etc; though I can log on through SSH so at
least the Linux kernel is working.

With earlier versions (and some specific options in lts.conf)
somtimes the desktop got stuck on either logging on or out.
But then replugging the keyboard and mouse solved the
problem. Then the permanent fix was hacking the lts.conf.

This new problem has appeared after the upgrade to Edgy.
Even though I have been fiddling my lts.conf vigorously I
have not been able to find another fix than avoiding logging
out. Once this logout missfeature was so powerful that it
wiped my entire XFCE configuration so that I was not able
to log on again. So I am quite happily using my terminal
without logging out since then.

I am using a hp 5xxx thin client with 733 MHz Crusoe
propeller and 128 megabytes of ram, network boot
and the usual stuf; USB keyboard and mouse. If it
is needed I can dig up a more complete and formal
hardware spec.

Since this is quite annoying, I am very keen to help
if someone has any suggestions or of there is a need
to test different configuration.

Here follows the xfce4 problem report:


ProblemType: Crash
Date: Tue Jan 30 13:00:14 2007
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[Bug 73897] Re: the swedish keyboard layout does not work as printed on the physical keyboard

2006-11-30 Thread Roland Ronquist
sorry, I have been fooling around a little bit with synaptics, it seems
like xkb-data could be another likely origin for this problem; as I said
I am not so well versed in the actual package layout of the Ubuntu
system since I am only a mere (and happy) user :-)

/r.

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[Bug 73897] the swedish keyboard layout does not work as printed on the physical keyboard

2006-11-30 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

Binary package hint: language-pack-sv

please forgive me, I may be barking at the wrong three (package):
language-pack-sv and language-pack-sv-base looks like the obvious
choices to me; but this may be something hidden deep in the soul of
linux:

Due to national pride all common operating systems has chosen to have two 
different keyboard layouts for respectively Sweden and Finland even though 
there are no difference in the physical layout of the keyboards delivered to 
this two different countries. With Linux, regardless of distribution, for at 
least the last 10 years, the Swedish layout has not been working properly, 
neither on the console or in X.
The easy workaround has been chosing "Finnish" instead. But since Ubuntu is 
labeled "for human beings" I tried being human yesterday (when installing edgy 
eft on the third machine using edgy in my home) and chosed Swedish, and it 
still does not work properly.

On Swedish keyboards (and Finnish since they are the same), the alt key on the 
right side of the space-bar is labeled "Alt Gr" and is used to get "special 
characters" like:
< > |
Unfortunately, the Swedish layout is lacking this facility which renders it 
useless when interacting with a comman prompt, or for doing programming in most 
programming languages.

I do not have the slightest clue how normal persons do to solve this
problem, most people I know of are either using the Finnish layout or
the US; in the later case they are of course suffering problem with
entering our national characters ÅÄÖ.

I am willing to help out describing exactly what is expected from a
Swedish keyboard, but the obvious fix is to copy the finnish layout
files for the console and for X and get rid of the problem without any
work.

Sorry if I complained at the wrong package, but I am not so well versed
in the exact layout of the language support in Ubuntu.

/roland.

** Affects: language-pack-sv (Ubuntu)
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Unconfirmed
** Affects: Debian
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Unconfirmed
** Affects: Fedora
 Importance: Undecided
 Status: Unconfirmed

** Also affects: Debian
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: Unconfirmed

** Also affects: Fedora
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: Unconfirmed

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[Bug 67387] Re: Client keymap doesn't match server's one

2006-11-01 Thread Roland Ronquist
Sorry for buggering you guys, but since I have been complaining,
I should also give some credit to you when the problem was not
your's.

Yes, as I said, I have not been able to get ltsp to work "out
of the box" on neither dapper nor edgy. But the problem
was in the sshd end, to many unsuccessful login attempts;
baaah.

Hence I can attest that ltsp works like charm, right out of
the box, even when using non standard dhcpd:s!

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[Bug 67387] Re: Client keymap doesn't match server's one

2006-11-01 Thread Roland Ronquist
Yes, in most cases we got the same keyboard layout
on all workstations at the same site. Hence that should
be a reasonable default. My first post was only to point
out the fact that all documentation that I have found on
this issue (regardless of LTSP version) has stated that
us keyboard should be default.

Since neither ltsp on dapper or edgy has been working
right out of the box for me, I am very much in favour of
providing a lts.conf file with -if not all, at least most-
settings that has been chosen as default values.
Most distros try to provide well commented config.-
files with most applications even in the cases when
all the default values are already built in; this is really
makes linux system administration much more user
friendly than windows, where most everything interesting
is hidden in a hay-stack called the registry.

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[Bug 67387] Re: Client keymap doesn't match server's one

2006-10-31 Thread Roland Ronquist
this non-existent lts.conf on a freshly configured system
(after running ltsp-build-client) can be very confusing
to the beginner. (yes, I have been one of them... )
The fact that there are several incompatible versions
of ltsp out in the wild on the internet makes googling
for answers a fruitless way of solving ltsp problems.

Please consider creating an lts.conf file with whatever
values that the build-client app has considered good.
This will not only help the user figure out which settings
has been chosen, but it would also work as documentation
of available options in the ltsp version at hand.

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[Bug 58981] Re: After loading X on terminal keboard hangs

2006-10-31 Thread Roland Ronquist
I have got the exact same problem since upgrading from
Dapper. Since I have had insurmountable problems with
the ldm and I do not consider XDMCP being a local
security problem at our site. Hence I have been
doing without ldm until being forced by this problem
with Edgy Eft as described above.

In my case I am using USB keyboard and mouse which still
refuses to work when using XDMCP, hence it is not an
issue about PS/2 interface. Besides the keyboard works
when using ldm.

Regarding Oliver's kind suggestions about host keys and
ip-addresses, that does not help me. According to the
ssh-logs, my password is not valid:

"Failed password for roland from "

which does not make sense to me since the password
works when SSH:ing all over the place without using
the fine and fancy ldm utility.

Kind Regards,
R.

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[Bug 67387] Re: Client keymap doesn't match server's one

2006-10-31 Thread Roland Ronquist
This keymap problem may be cumbersome to work out for many
users, but it still is an intended behaviour and not a bug.
When setting up the clients (/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf if you are
running on an x86 processor), you are supposed to declare
which keyboard layout you want on the clients.

If there is no lts.conf or if a particular option has not been
declared the client is supposed to use default values which
happens to be a keyboard layout from they country which
invented the PC  :-)

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[Bug 54122] Re: install CD does not boot on tray loading rev-a imac 233MHz

2006-07-26 Thread Roland Ronquist
yes, I have been searching the web intesively; even if this
is the first formal bug report, it seems like I am far from
the first one to find this problem.

On ubuntuforums, many users have similar experiences.

My belief is that many users consider this kind of old
"junk" more toys than actual tools and they do not
really care if it can be used for anything. Hence
they do not report formally.

But the whole idea of Ubuntu is making computers
useful, even "retired" machines :-)

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[Bug 54122] install CD does not boot on tray loading rev-a imac 233MHz

2006-07-26 Thread Roland Ronquist
Public bug reported:

I have tried this using anything from Ubuntu Breezy to Dapper Drake,
and several "flights" in between; unfortunately same problem all the time.
Both CD-R made on the lowest speed that my current system support (10x)
and factoru made dapper install CD:s.

Since this baby is a mac using a G3 Power PC, I am using a PPC
edition of UBUNTU, no doubt about that.

1. put CD in tray
2. push C key and start system
3. the mac then tries to load something from the CD
and continues to spin the drive for 20-30 seconds
after that the system stops, no text, no image - just  a blank screen.

If I instead chose to boot into Open Firmware and tries to boot
from the CD manually, the system dies the same way as when
using the C-key.

I did not report this problem at first because I thought that this 8-9 year
old cd-drive is not so compatible with modern CD-R media which is
a common problem with older drives. But now Canonical has been
as kind as to provide me with factory made CD:s which unfortunately
shows the same problem.

With the old factory made Warty CD:s the system started nicely, but
something went wrong during the installation and the system died
on the first boot from the hard disk. But at that time at least the CD
did boot nicely into the setup program.
Unfortunately, my four year old son had a go on the old CD which
is no longer operational so I can not use that if you want me to
test something with that one. I can download a warty .iso if you
want me to.

Please do not hesitate to ask me any questions or make me suggestions
on how to solve this problem. I am also willing to try different procedures
and softwares and report back if that can help anyone better figure out
how to fix this problem. There are loads of cute imac:s with a much higher
potential than beeing only used for land-fills :-)
/rolle

** Affects: Ubuntu
 Importance: Untriaged
 Status: Unconfirmed

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